Kentucky Basketball: What I Think, But Do Not Know, About John Calipari
I do not know if John Calipari is actually interested, despite his comments, in the Chicago Bulls job.
Many people have asked me my opinion on this, and I'll start out by saying that this is exactly that -- an opinion. We all know what opinions are like, and that everyone has them. My thoughts on this issue are no more valuable or inherently valid than anyone else's. I have not spoken with Coach Cal, and he has not confided in me his feelings about the Bulls job, if any, or his intentions. And even if he did, I would not be passing the information on without his express permission.
With all that said, I will tell you that I do not believe Calipari is interested in the Bulls job, and I don't believe the rumor that he ever was. But first, a little background on college coaches in the NBA.
It is not impossible, or even particularly unlikely, that Calipari is actually interested in moving to the NBA. We see it all the time, although we have seen the NBA raid the college coaching ranks less and less often due to the inescapable fact that college coaches have simply not been very successful in the NBA. Rick Pitino left Kentucky at the height of his power after the Celtics gave him everything but ownership of the team. He failed utterly, and the NBA kicked his ruin to the curb. The same thing happened with Mike Montgomery, and of course, John Calipari himself.
Calipari has been there, done this, and written a book, Bounce Back, in which his travails after the New Jersey Nets fired him figure prominently. Like Pitino before him, Coach Cal left the UMass Minutemen at the height of his success, and promptly went from one of his greatest achievements to arguably his greatest failure. Billy Donovan nearly did the same thing in 2007, but backed out of a deal with the Miami Heat Orlando Magic shortly after signing the agreement. Maybe Donovan would have succeeded. Personally, I have my doubts.
None of these coaches, like so many NBA lifers, got an offer to coach another NBA team within a year or two. They were outsiders, with the arguable exception of Pitino, and the NBA wasn't willing to give them another chance, at least not until the proved themselves to be committed to the NBA game. When you come into the Association as an outsider, you get precious little time to prove yourself, and a cold shoulder if you fail.
But with all that said, there are a lot of reasons Calipari might consider the Chicago position, among them:
- The free agency of LeBron James, a good friend of Calipari, and the fact that his former player Derrick Rose plays now for the Bulls. When Pitino went to the Celtics, we saw him surround himself with friends and former players.
- The Kentucky is a hard job. Calipari has said this himself, and it will not get any easier until another banner hangs in Rupp Arena. Personal appearances, press conferences, everything associated with the Kentucky head coaching position may be perfect for Calipari's personality, but it is still very hard on him. That part of the job is a lot easier in the pros.
- Mitch Barnhart is hard on coaches. He was hard on Smith, hard on Gillispie, and is reportedly butting heads with Calipari. I put less emphasis on this than some, because I chalk it up to Calipari being a dreamer. Three or four games a year in Freedom Hall? I'd love that, as a Louisvillian, but I can totally understand why Barnhart would balk. This problem also exists in the pros, but to a somewhat lesser and more straightforward degree.
- Getting good players to focus on their grades and not everything else is hard. The GPA problems in his first semester at Kentucky, and the negative press that followed it, had to be unpleasant. This problem doesn't exist in the pros -- all you have to do is keep your players out of jail, off the juice, and winning games.
- Money. Chicago could pay Calipari more than Kentucky. Phil Jackson reportedly makes around $12 million a year, but most NBA coaches make under $5 million annually with a significant number making less than Calipari does now. Chicago has burned through eight coaches in the ten years since Phil Jackson left, and still has salary baggage left over from the Scott Skiles period. But they can offer him more money than UK, no question.
- Hubris. It is possible, although I have never heard Calipari imply it was a dream of his, that he may want to go back and prove himself at the NBA level. Leaving after only one year at Kentucky with LeBron on the market might be just the kind of opportunity that will never again present itself.
- Time. Coach Cal has intimated that doesn't want to coach forever. He may feel that his only chance at a great NBA run is slipping away, so if it is part of his dreams, there may be no better time than now.
- If he is going to move, now would be a good time before his family really has a chance to settle in Kentucky. Also, his family may not like the Bluegrass. Joanne Pitino's love of the northeast was said to be a major factor in Pitino's decision to leave.
Of course, there is a yang to this yin. Calipari has some very good reasons to stay at Kentucky:
- It is the pinnacle of the college game. If challenge is what drives Calipari, getting Kentucky back to the top is one of the greatest, although it is debatable if it would be greater to get Kentucky back to the NCAA championship than to get the Bulls back to the NBA championship.
- Calipari professes to love the challenge of coaching at Kentucky. If challenge is what he loves, there is arguably no greater challenge anywhere, even in Chicago.
- He will never be more loved anywhere. Many Bulls fans find Calipari as reprehensible, fact-free as that judgment may be, as the most partisan and irrational Washington Huskies or Tennessee Volunteers fan. His relationship with the Bulls fan base will only improve if he wins, a lot, right away. They will not give him a few years like UK would.
- He would ruin his college legacy if he left. Leaving a place like Kentucky after only one year would turn everybody in the college game with the exception of UK haters against Calipari. It would be seen, rightly or wrongly, as a betrayal of epic proportions. Many might think Kentucky deserved it, but that would not translate into respect or love for Calipari.
- The NBA is notoriously unforgiving, and Calipari has first hand experience with that. His memory of the Nets years may be more painful and fresher in his mind than any of us believe.
- His family may be tired of moving. They just moved from Memphis, and perhaps his family is ready to settle down. It isn't as if the Bulls job is likely to provide a financial windfall that he cannot rationally turn down, although that is possible. And if recent history is an indicator, anything less than spectacular success in Chicago will be rewarded with a pink slip after only a very few years.
Overall, the biggest deterrent to Calipari would have to be his own conscience, which is probably why so many think that he is seriously considering leaving -- his detractors seem to thing he has no conscience to inform his decision. But a look at Calipari's record does not reveal a Larry Brown-like nomad. Calipari has moved only when a significantly better opportunity than the one he was in came up. Moving from Memphis to Kentucky was unquestionably an upward move. I think moving to the Bulls from UK is less so, although that judgment is highly subjective on my part and arguably rife with cognitive dissonance.
Now we can debate all day if the Bulls job, at this moment, represents a significantly better opportunity. Even if it does, it doesn't appear to be so significant that accepting the job would be defensible from a Kentucky standpoint, as was the case with Rick Pitino taking over one of the NBA's legendary programs in his beloved northeast almost lock, stock and barrel. For that reason, and for reasons relating to where I think Calipari sees himself in ten years, I do not think Calipari has more than professional curiosity about the Chicago Bulls position.
Yes, it is possible that he is trying to send a message to somebody at UK about something, and if so, we are never likely to understand fully why or what that might be. Myself, I don't believe he ever intimated interest in the Bulls, and that all these claims that he has are simply attempts to create news, and a buzz, around an interesting situation and a fascinating possibility that is actually very unlikely.
That's what I think. Your mileage may vary.
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Nice piece, and I largely agree.
Question – have any successful college coaches EVER made a successful jump to the NBA?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
P.J. Carlessimo ...
… is the most successful recent one I can recall. If you call that success. :-) Also Tim Floyd had moderate NBA success, and has bounced back and forth between the pros and college
Bill Fitch is one example, long ago. Also Larry Brown is arguably the most successful — he came from Davidson and has been successful at UCLA and Kansas.
There may be better examples.
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Larry Brown
he won an NBA championship as well as an NCAA
by Shootmeibleedblue on May 9, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I say he stays
Hasn’t Cal already said that he doesn’t need anymore money? Honestly, if you’re already making a couple of million a year, do you really need more?
Plus the amount of control an NCAA coach has over an NBA coach has to be a factor. Dealing with 18 year olds who dream of being NBA players is one thing. It’s quite another to deal with a 25 year old who has his own sneaker, gatorade, and burger king ads.
With all due respect.
That’s the ‘dumbest’ argument around. I’m betting whatever you do, somehow, some way, you are negotiating an increase at the end of the year. If you are your own boss, you’re working hard to drive revenue or margin. Welcome to capitalism.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 9, 2010 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think he stays at UK for a while because...
he needs to validate his time at the college level with a National Championship. What better place to achieve this than at the best of the best. He also said an undefeated season is a passion of his. This too is possible, which would kill two birds with one stone. Also he has stayed at his college stops for multiple years, so a short stay at UK would be out of character for him. Just my opinion.
Hmmmmmmmm
I agree… why would anyone, other than traitor rick, want to go from king of the mountain all the way down to PLO (private latrine orderly)…. even with the bulls, he’s still the coach, making less than Noah and everyone else.. he needs to say and have at least 1 new banner!! But, look at this, 5 of the top 15 in the draft, he didn’t win the banner this year… it must be the parity we used to hear about in 05 thru 08…
Donovan had agreed to go to the Magic, not the Heat
Would have been dumb either way……
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
Ambition. Who Can Explain It?
An honest and thoughtful piece, Tru. As they say here in Panama: Enhorabuena! You’ve covered most of the pieces of the logic puzzle but, as we all should know, logic ofttimes takes a back seat to the various human emotions when it comes to decision making. And considering that charismatic personalities such as Calipari often have a matching quantity of caprice, the prediction of any career determination for him becomes more guess than anything. Not to put too much importance — if that is actually possible when speaking to UK basketball fans — on a coaching decision but Caliipari reminds me quite a bit of a Shakespearean character. In fact had he lived in another time and place he likely would have been the subject of sonnets and provided lyrics for troubadors (perhaps Ryan Parker or Scoupe already qualify). But back to Shakespeare, specifically Macbeth, a great study in human ambition, consider this quote:
I have no spur
To prick the sides of my intent, but only
Vaulting ambition, which o’erleaps itself
And falls on the other—
Which in Calipari’s case could be translated to say that he has no valid or practical reasons for leaving UK, only ambition which counters all else and makes its own logic. His book says as much and perhaps the concluding Bounce Back will be a final NBA fling. Whatever happens we fans are relegated to the role of observers with little or no impact on his decision — I’ve accepted that.
I would however offer this bit of advice from Macbeth:
If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well
It were done quickly.
"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison
Fate Brings Jack To UK & UNC
Astounding how things work out: UK loses 5 players to NBA, Wear twins transfer from Heels and, shazam! Kadeem Jack becomes a love object for both programs. Adding to the magical story is that Jack made a Olajuwon-like move from soccer to basketball.
"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison
WW
It looks like we might be a little late to the party on Jack.
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
Both Jack and Dibo ...
… fill the need — a body who can at least make a reasonable effort at defending the four.
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Please explain how Barnhart is 'hard' on coaches.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
It's well known ...
… that he didn’t get along with Smith, or with Gillispie.
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That's foolish!
Some money wanted Tubby gone, He was merely the man who turned his back on Tubby to keep in the good graces of a few. True, some never accepted Smith but it had nothing to do with his coaching.
As far as Gillispie, HE brought him in here and it was clear Barnhart was about to severe the wrath of Billy G. actions.
You don’t actually think Barnhart was going to sit by and let the program to hit rock bottom when it was clear it was due to his own handpicked coach?
Try again, surely your aren’t measuring this man on those two incidents.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Why not?
Barnhart has apparently gotten on really well with only one coach we know of. Mickie DeMoss left, so did John Cohen (although for a fact, I don’t think Barnhart was a big reason) and now we hear the third basketball coach in a row has at least some friction with Barnhart.
Sounds like a pattern to me.
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The current baseball coach is about to fail to become the coach who missed finishing in the top eight in the conferencee for the second year in a row and missing the SEC tournament.
He is responsible for Gillispie. No way around that one. He failed to stand up or condoned the fact we embarassed UMASS and Ford by dropping out of the game in Madison Square Garden. He allowed Gillispie to pull the stunt of having what ever was suppose to be Midnight Madness a week early. That got fixed by the NCAA I think. He allowed Gillispie to commit to kids who probably weren’t sure where the state of Kentucky was located that certainly was a great PR treat for the Cats. Calling Billy G. such a ‘trooper’ for agreeing to play the game against Georgia on the following day after the storm in Atlanta was silly. What was he going to do? The conference made the decision not Gillispie. We lost anyway.
He must have gotten along great with Brooks. He or someone came up with the idea of playing the weakest possible schedule to finally get us to no name bowls. He went along with naming a coach in waiting for a program who has not finished higher that fourth in the Eastern Division of the SEC and more often fifth or sixth.
Barnhart is not interested in anything but basketball.
I must have missed his statement concerning the assistant basketball coach getting the DUI. Did he make one?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Actually I believe that most of the world thinks that his Big Blue Madness
deal was a coup of sorts……forcing the NCAA to fix a loophole….and I dont see how the out with UMass was a really big thing with folks either….Ford’s alumni status aside, those kinds of things happen every year…..I believe that Cal opted out of 2 games last fall….
And you have to remember that Brooks was his guy out west so many years ago….and Brooks is also one of his trusted “advisors”
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
There is some merit in your other statements, with the exception of the
Hot Rod Strickland situation….the university stated that it would not comment publicly about it until the legal matters were resolved, and that has been a stance of UK for many years.
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Rich Brooks years at Oregon
I do have a hard time remembering Brooks being the guy our west for SOME MANY years. ;)
Oregon Ducks (Pacific-10 Conference) (1977–1994)
1977 Oregon 2–9 1–6 7th
1978 Oregon 2–9 2–5 6th
1979 Oregon 6–5 4–3 T–3rd
1980 Oregon 6–3–2 4–3–1 5th
1981 Oregon 2–9 1–6 9th
1982 Oregon 2–8–1 2–6 9th
1983 Oregon 4–6–1 3–3–1 T–6th
1984 Oregon 6–5 3–5 7th
1985 Oregon 5–6 3–4 6th
1986 Oregon 5–6 3–5 7th
1987 Oregon 6–5 4–4 5th
1988 Oregon 6–6 3–5 T–6th
1989 Oregon 8–4 5–3 T–2nd W Independence
1990 Oregon 8–4 4–3 3rd L Freedom
1991 Oregon 3–8 1–7 T–9th
1992 Oregon 6–6 4–4 T–6th L Independence
1993 Oregon 5–6 2–6 T–8th
1994 Oregon 9–4 7–1 1st L Rose 11 11
Oregon: 91–109–4 56–79–2
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
the record is not going to reflect how he feels about the man as a trusted
friend and coach….I have known a lot of lovable losers in my time ( not to say that Brooks is) that people flocked to because they were well liked, not because they were genius level as coaches. And if you allow for the fact that the first 6-7 years at Oregon were a little thin, the rest of that record isnt all that bad……wont win you an NCAA champ trophy, but wont get you fired in a lot of places either
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Calm down ABC
I didn’t commit on his friendship with Brooks. I hope they are the best of buddies.
Please review his last five years at Oregon or his last ten.
He wasn’t fired. He left to go to the NFL.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
not upset at all.....but I also know you cannot stand either
Brooks or Barnhart…..just bringing a little context to the discussion….
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
you are correct in that assumption. I will not argue that at all.
and we remain in ‘baby step’ mode because we didn’t want to worry about anything except basketball.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Paris, your loathing of Barnhart aside, dont you think that the actions where Gillispie
was concerned now seem more sensible? I mean maybe youre right and he just did it because he didnt want one of “his” guys bringing down the program, but maybe he just realized that the guy was never going to be what he needed or wanted and knew he should have made the better choice before, even if it was a riskier one in the eyes of the pundits?
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
ABC
You don’t pass out the head coaching job in basketball to so one who is untested. At least I hope not. Barnhart saw Gillispie beat Pitino in Rupp Area and that apparently was all he needed to know. Gillispie’s accomplishments were not earth shattering before that incident.
It blew up in his face. And do you think he would still be the athletic director at UK if he had not taken the action he did with Gillispie?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
No, he would not, but that still begs the question,
do you think he was more worried about how he would look if Gillispie failed, or was he truly concerned with the program?…..I am trying to get your take on his motives, so to speak….
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Unlike others around here, I can't read minds
so I don’t know if he did it one way or the other.
Seems they rushed iin the University’s president and others to help him on the next choice.
You are going to convince me the job he is doing couldn’t be done by the head of the business school and the director of intermural sports at UK. Nothing has shown me anything different..
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I have said before and I will again, it really is in the eyes of the University
if he is doing a good job or not, but I really think he has picked up his game the last 2 years, and there is more to that than the Calipari hire in my book.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
I agree in the 'eyes of the university' is probably is doing a good job.
And I also think he getting a lot fo help in making his decisions now he didn’t get before.
Still time foe the 15 Championships in seven years thing. 4/5 of them will come in basketball wouldn’t you think?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
what sport do you see adding the next most championships?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
who knows.....I am no expert when it comes to baseball,
but I was under the impression it had improved quite a bit…..women’s basketball, while not at the championship level yet, has definitely reached a point where it can get to a final four now with a little help. Men’s basketball is where my gut tells me it will happen, but I do not know how close we are in some of the other sports. But I do know that we have upgraded efforts in almost every sport so I am not really sure what will happen……but I do applaud the effort
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Now, if we can get the rest of the SEC to not recruit for a couple of years we'll be OK
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I think you will see an upswing in recruiting the next
few years. Saw Joker Phillips at the Pulaski Co Chamber luncheon last week. He has no problem understanding that if he doesnt win he is toast. He stated that “it is real simple, if I dont win they’ll fire my butt”. He knows expectations are high.
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Why would Cal want to coach pro ball???
82 games and playoffs take away all your family time,here he can make real money and spend all kinds of time with his family Cal’s here for a while
its called ego
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
The problem with any of this....
…. is that you can’t assume anything you hear in the press is accurate — or not. The powers that be always play “hide the football” until they are ready to either a) leak the news; or b) make the formal announcement. Often times it’s to save face but many times it’s to avoid distractions during the negotiations.
I do not see Calipari going anywhere at this point. If he was closer to the end of his career and he wanted to prove to himself that he could make it as an NBA coach, maybe (it has nothing to do with money, assuming he doesn’t get Phil Jackson bank). But as tough as it is at UK, he has the world by the tail. It’s Kentucky basketball. The guy everybody “loves to hate” is revered at his home school and right now he has all the rope he needs. the NBA would be more of a “all in” scenario.
that's why you read the ASOB
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Here is another reason to stay..
HE STUNK AS AN NBA COACH! Come to think of it, why would any NBA team hire Cal? (Pitino got a 2nd chance in the NBA but he had success in NY he didnt stink it up in the NBA until he ruined Boston).
by Shootmeibleedblue on May 9, 2010 9:40 PM EDT reply actions
someone please mark me down as being in this camp....I just dont think he wants to chance screwing his name
as a coach up again…..besides….he was a big fish in a little pond…..now he is THE big fish in the Ocean…..nothing to prove in the NBA…..EVERYTHING to prove in the NCAA…..
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
If I had to list one talent of Calipari that puts him in the top of college coachs if not the top coach of this time, it is his ability to recruit. If he goes to the pros, he throws away one of the abilities he has that sets him apart from his competitors. I say having tried the pros once and been tossed out, he would have to be promised the moon to be tempted, so I say he doesn’t move on, at least not now.
Al (Kat in Canada)
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Very good point. Very good indeed.
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There have been a few articles that said Cal could use his recruting talent in the NBA
To “recruit” free agents. Granted, there is a difference between recruiting at both.
However, one article on the Chicago rumor listed his recruiting ability as a reason why the Bulls would want Cal… especially in time for this summer’s important free agent season, aka, Lebron and D-Wade.
No matter where you're at, there you are
Lebron and D-Wade
are going to go to the team and city that make them the most money. The bottom-line is the bottom-line and Cal cannot do anything about that.
D-Wade has had a much better pro career than Lebron. :) Had to throw that in there, until Lebron has won a championship, he is more like Barkley or Malone than Jordan or Kobe.
by Shootmeibleedblue on May 10, 2010 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Just thought of a question -- Anybody know if
NBA coaches get paid during a lock-out?
No matter where you're at, there you are
Probably.
They are not part of the player’s union.
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I'd like to add the caveat, "I think." I don't know that for a fact, but I am pretty sure.
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