Kentucky Basketball: Sorting Through the Debris
As most everyone knows by now, word has come that Marcus Thornton has eliminated Kentucky from consideration and that Terrence Jones, while not having signed a Letter of Intent, seems to be leaning toward sticking with his choice of the Washington Huskies.
A few days ago, I said that it was unlikely that Calipari would strike out on C.J. Leslie, Terrence Jones and Marcus Thornton, but it looks like that has actually happened, as remarkable as that seems. That leaves Kentucky with nine scholarship players (assuming the return of Darnell Dodson) and one walk-on. If the rumors about Dodson are true and he moves on, then UK will wind up with an eight-man roster if nothing changes between now and August.
But as you might expect, Coach Cal has not given up on the 2010 class just yet. Comes now a new and previously unknown player, a certain Remi Dibo of West Virginia's Mountain State Academy. Originally from Côte d'Ivoire (Ivory Coast), Dibo is a 6'8"/230# power forward who is said to possess a very good perimeter shooting touch. He is not at all a post up threat, at least not yet, and is considered more of a Rashard Lewis sort of player, for those who follow the NBA. But he is said to be quite skilled as a shooter, even though word from Jody Demling, who has seen him play, that he is not really an SEC caliber player.
But the fact that UK is struggling to find players to fill the roster to an acceptable level at this point in the season just underlines the difficulty of having eight or maybe even nine players leave a program for whatever reason. It is very difficult to recruit that many replacements, and John Calipari would have had to achieve unprecedented success to replace them all (which he very nearly did). As it is, Kentucky is in a bit of a scramble mode to try to assemble a team for next year, even though the 'Cats will have a substantial amount of young talent and should challenge again for the SEC East.
I think it's safe to say that never in his wildest dreams did Calipari expect to lose this many players to the draft, or he would have done more, earlier. Unfortunately, Kentucky is a victim of its own success last year, as we sometimes see, and that looks to make 2010-11 a bit more of a rebuilding year than we might have otherwise expected.
The good news is that the 2011-12 team is looking like world-beaters with the coming matriculation of Marquis Teague and Michael Gilchrist. Gilchrist in particular is going to be devastating. Take a look at this blog from Jody Demling in a conversation he had with Clark Francis of Hoop Scoop:
In doing some work for the Super Five, I asked Hoop Scoop editor Clark Francis about junior Michael Gilchrist. Francis told me more than a year ago that Gilchrist (right) was "the best player in high school basketball." Anyway, when I asked him about the 2011 Kentucky commitment Francis simply said: "An NBA All-Star for a long, long time."
That's positively Wall-esque, and we know how John Wall worked out.

In the news, here are a few items of interest:
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Winston Shepard: Texas Power : Box of M.E.S.S.
Some interesting comments on Kentucky and Coach Cal. -
UK TE signee Alex Smith talks about playing roundball against Brandon Knight | Vaught's Views
This kid is sharp. Glad to see us get a player like this. -
Danny Jett's Inner Circle: John Calipari To The Chicago Bulls 'Imminent' Says Clairvoyant
Danny Jett has reportedly spoken to a "clarivoyant", and says that Karma is a bitch. -
Postups: Wall breaks ranks with LeBron - CBSSports.com
John Wall played at Kentucky for John Calipari, a key player in the nexus of basketball power that also includes William "Wes" Wesley, LeBron James and LeBron’s agent, Leon Rose. So it was a huge upset when Wall broke ranks with Rose’s Creative Artists Agency and signed this week with agent Dan Fegan.
Wait ... this doesn't fit the narrative!
We all know that WWW, Calipari and other shady dealers are putting players where they want them, right? You mean the conspiracy theorists might be wrong? I'm shocked!
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Daily Herald | Bulls watch: Give up the Calipari stuff
On the wrong path: Can everyone please stop writing about John Calipari and the Bulls? It's not going to happen and these stories exist only to coax Kentucky into giving him a raise. The guy is an excellent recruiter of high school talent, not an NBA coach.
Finally, somebody gets it right. Maybe not about the raise part, though.
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Rick Bozich | Task keeps getting harder for Pitino | courier-journal.com | The Courier-Journal
Even on a day when it was confirmed that Samuels is departing two years early and Justice is arriving with a scholarship, the question that keeps bouncing around the Yum! Center is simply this:
Can Pitino overcome the string of hits he has taken the past 13½ months and still deliver the prize that was supposed to be unwrapped by now: a national championship?
My sources say no. At least, not for a while.
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Departing Kentucky after one season — which would, effectively, make him the fifth one-and-done Wildcat from the 2009-10 team — would be disastrous for his coaching legacy. Calipari did not promise Kentucky a couple more SEC titles when he accepted this job. He promised to make it Kentucky again. Leaving behind one Elite Eight and a freshman-dominated roster wouldn't get that done.
I think DeCourcy has this right, as usual.
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Sorry haters, Cal will not be leaving Kentucky anytime soon
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Bogus Rumor No. 1: Brandon Knight (left) is going to Italy. This one came up while I was asleep and was dead by the time I woke up.
Probably started by a Louisville fan who is still drunk from seeing Calipari miss out on Jones and Leslie.
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John Calipari is not going to be the next Chicago Bulls coach.
There. Someone else said it.
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but they most likely would not be interested in us. If they left UNC for “geographic issues” they won’t land at UK. Most likely UCLA or Arizona. Stanford and Cal also have some of their ex-teammates from Mater Dei high school.
by BlueCollarMan on May 7, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
"geographic issues" sounds like a nomenclature for not liking powder blue.....lol.....
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
They are not that good
Maybe a backup for Harrellson, but they’d have to sit out a year. I get the impression that they want more PT so I think they will end up at a smaller school or mid major.
Keep in mind ...
… they have to serve a year in residence. I doubt Cal would be interested.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Short Answer: No
I like in NC and have had the chance to watch these two several times throughout the year. Sure it would be good to have an extra set of bodies to rotate in the post position, but these two don’t have enough of a build or ball handling skills to merit a scholarship for the pair of them. These two are not that quick either, meaning that we would have to alter the dribble-drive plan to cover for their shortcomings whenever they came onto the floor. Sure, we may be interested in one of them for a limited scholarship, but these guys are a package deal, making far from a sensible idea for our program.
by BlowOutYourBlood on May 7, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we could call it a hardship case-
Since we do not seem to have enough players for next year…
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
hehehe.....somehow I dont see anyone else thinking we are having a "hardship".....lol...
but it’s a nice thought….
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Call it a hardship case because they are a couple of momma's boys.
Really – sounds like they just miss home. I don’t suffer that well for college students. I didn’t understand the ones that went home every weekend when I was in college. As for the Wears, I mean, they were twins going to the same school. They already had each other at UNC, and they still need to be closer to mommy and daddy too while playing ball?
you know, the idea of a couple of "project players" does not sound unappealing
to me. I know they are not the kinds of guys that Cal makes his reputation on, so it might not be a good idea for his system, but a guy with decent speed who we could bulk up might not be a bad idea……
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
I'm with this
Literally the only thing I know about Dibo is what Tru mentions above, but he sounds like the kind of player that Cal should find to round out next years team – not perfect, but able to do some things that can help the team and over the course of 4 years prove to be a valuable player.
Pair him with another 6-8/6-9 type that is more of an inside oriented player, maybe someone who is more defensively gifted and lacking on offense and you have yourself a decent enough inside group for next year with a couple of guys who could develop over 4 years.
Cal knows he can’t win a NC without experienced players – he said as much all during last season. But you can’t recruit experience – you have to develop it.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
Project players.
You’re right, ALLBLUCAT. I know this is a different day and age but great coaches like Adolph Rupp and many others made their living on project players. When he was recruiting Dan Issel someone said he was not an SEC caliber player too. We could ask the SEC teams about that. LOL
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 7, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
bottom line to me...
cal is fanning the chicago rumors…
i don’t really have a problem with it as it is part of the package but IT IS part of the package on several levels. 1) he wants something out of uk 2) it sends a message to recruits that they can play for a NBA caliber coach in college 3) it keeps Cal’s name on the short lists of other GMs – just in case 4) it keeps UK’s name in the press 5) well you get the idea.
this whole chicago thing is vintage Cal…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 7, 2010 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
You know memphis,
I really don’t care for salesmen. If you were to ask any I have dealt with, they would tell you at least I warned them. ;-). I seem to always have my shield up around them. Maybe that is why I am not foundering on the Cal koolaid. You think? Now what do I do? ;-D
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
PC moment
Salespeople, and it isn’t them, it is their pitch. Most of the time, I refuse to believe it, unless they can convince me they are sincere, which isn’t easy to do.
I think you have hit on my problem here. Let the convincing continue, I guess. :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
Sincerity.
For sale"people" and trial attorneys, it is the most important thing. Once you can fake sincerity, you got it made.
memphis wildcat
Fellow, I am only going to ask one thing. Would you mind posting proof of your accusations?
Also I ain’t buying that “only one rule in my house – uk has to be your favorite bball team” doo-doo. Horse manure! You’re not even a UK fan. I lived in Tennessee for 4 1/2 years. I know your type. How could you post such garbage, especially without proof. If any of it was true every
paper and TV station in America would be running it as a Flash Headline. Try to get a life.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 8, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
well,
I’m sure memphis is a big boy and can speak for himself, but I’m going to step in here on his behalf until he gets the chance, and I want to say that he is indeed a UK fan, he’s been around here for quite awhile and he’s a very valuable member of the blog.
“The only one rule in my house” thing is just a joke (and I know you like jokes : )) about his household, you know, as in he’s raising his children on the ‘Cats? And furthermore, he is just stating his opinion about Coach Calipari in the above post based on when Cal was in Memphis and while the above is just his opinion, that is just kind of what we do around here, we throw out our opinions on all things UK. Just because he’s a UK fan doesn’t mean he automatically MUST think that Cal can do no wrong, he’s trying to look at the Cal-to-the-NBA thing objectively, and to be honest, I really appreciate his objectivity.
I found no harm in his post, I don’t think he was trying to post it as fact, and I’m sure he does indeed have a life. : )
Agreed
Anyone that will drive around Memphis with a Wildcat tire cover on his Jeep is a UK fan (or out of their mind, or both).
afraid i still have not put it back on the jeep ....
started to a couple of times but then something would happen….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 10, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks BSC....
glad to know some of the things i have said actually stuck!!!
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 10, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if you will still be around adolph...
but since you have not been around, allow me to introduce myself. i moved to lexington KY in 1971 as a 2nd grader and became a wildcat fan – my parents still live inside circle road in the zandale area.
i have lived in memphis for 25 plus years – guess you can take the boy out of the bluegrass but you cannot take the wildcat out of the boy.
i watched Cal up close at memphis for 9 years. i would venture to say i have forgotten more things about him than you even know. my post was not “accusations” but simply my humble opinion based on watching him in memphis. he lived less than 1/2 mile from me, his son briefly went to the same private school as my son (until cal moved his son to a public school because he was recruiting kids from public schools) and i spoke to him from time to time at grizzlie games. i am not an expert on Cal – but again i have seen enough to make a comment. you are welcome to disagree but at least know with whom you are disagreeing….
on my motto – if you had been a member for any amount of time, you would know that i have 3 kids – 2 girls and a boy – all of which were born and raised in memphis but are uk fans – because of their old man. if you care, my son came home one day from his school – an all boys and all avid sec fans – and asked if it was okay if he liked the patriots (nfl). as oakland fan, i school could not ask him to like the trainwreck that al davis has become so i said that was ok. he then ask me if he could like the volunteers as his college football team. at that point, uk had not been to a bowl game in years and i could not ask him to pull for the trainwreck that uk football had been. my response was that i would let him pull for any team he wanted in any sport – except in college basketball, the only team he could pull for was uk. interestingly enough, he started watching uk football with woodson, etal and actually turned ME into a uk football fan. i have taken my kids to more uk football games in the last 3 years combined versus the previous 20……
anyway – hope you are still around to read this email…clearly your time in tennessee did not treat you well – must have been east tenn :)
thanks to everyone else for the supportive posts….
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 10, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You are my go-to-guy on Cal101 :-)
I really appreciate it a lot.
And…….Your Jeep will be sporting UK pride before you know it.
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
thanks. just trying to be a realist...
despite all i know, i am drinking to kool aid and enjoying it while it lasts….may not founder on it, but will enjoy a long pull on the pitcher every now and again…
and just being honest – as easy as it would have been to be a cal hater when he was at memphis (especially given i was a uk fan), i did enjoy the energy in fedex forum for a memphis game – the energy of which is now in Rupp. if the ole miss game can really get moved to fedex forum, i will be in heaven!
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on May 10, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Just now reading this memphis.........
I try to be a gentleman and I was not in my response to you. I love to laugh but was taught not at others expense. No excuses. Very sorry.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 18, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm
personally done worrying about any of this until the signing period is over. We’ll get who we get and we’ll still be pretty good without these other guys. Has everyone forgotten that we have Brandon freaking Knight. The kid signed and then all this other mess happened along with the two signups for next year and all of a sudden he’s a shadow. This kid will carry us on his back if he has to. But he won’t because we’ll have Enes The Bull Kanter as well. This team is going to be a lot better than people are thinking.
I agree.
Assuming Kanter is cleared, and assuming Dodson leaves (though I hope he doesn’t), a starting 5 of Knight, Lamb, Miller, ?, and Kanter, backed up by Liggins, Harrelson, Hood, and Poole (of of whom would start) ain’t bad.
Cal likes an 8 man rotation, so, there ya go.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
I'd guess Liggins would start in that scenario
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
This is something we all need to have been prepared to deal with
When we hired Calipari last year, every UK fan should have been prepared for 3 things (at least) to occur annually: At least one One-And-Done player every other year (something he’s already outdone himself at), a change to a much quicker style of play with the inclusion of the Dribble-Drive offense, and a lot of drama/speculation during the off-season.
Calipari is a salesman of a basketball coach to the letter. He is consistently selling the program to recruits with the promise of a shot at NBA placement, selling the Alumni with the promise of a return to UK’s “glory days”, selling himself to fans as a trustworthy family man and caring coach which helps get him more sponsorships and TV air-time off the court, and selling the NBA on his coaching talents which make UK work harder to keep him coaching the Wildcats.
Let’s not forgot that Calipari has a checkered past in the NCAA. Vacating wins at two separate colleges shortly after leaving their programs for bigger jobs has not gone unnoticed. There are always going to be people who are bitter about this (rightfully so) and use this to develop an air of moral superiority with which they demonize him. People also tend to harbor the belief that One-And-Done basketball players are harming the integrity of the college game, and since Calipari openly recruits and encourages these types of players he has become “public enemy number one” in the eyes of these people (e.g., Bob Knight). These people want him out of college basketball and will do what they can to see that it happens sooner rather than later, and by spreading rumors and speculating out loud they think they can at least cast dispersions in his direction to that effect.
The point is, whether it’s the Bulls and LeBron this year or New Jersey and John Wall next year, John Calipari is a hot topic and will always be so, whether what’s being said about him is actual news or just conjecture. It’s going to happen, so just accept this as fact and try to not to place too much faith into news about John Calipari until he actually comes out and confirms it himself (or at least schedules a press conference around that time :) ).
by BlowOutYourBlood on May 7, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions
Also, as far as recruiting goes...
…I think looking into a Ju-Co transfer is something to look into at this point. Granted, a lot of great kids are still uncommitted at this point and many won’t decide until the NBA is over and done with, but getting a proven player interested in coming to UK is something to work on right now.
We got a (very) late break with John Wall committing last year and there is no reason to assume that the same could not happen this year with another good high school prospect. Guys like Remi Debo and Trevor Clemmins are still available and certainly have the potential to be excellent starters after a year working with Calipari.
But, best bet right now is to be prepared just in case Cal can’t work his magic in the final second of the recruitment season.
by BlowOutYourBlood on May 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to look ahead ... but for 2011 ..
There needs fo be some roster space for the 2011 commits … I guess we can honestly expect Knight to be a one and done type player … not sure any of the rest will be. The only senior we will have is Josh Harrellson … I guess the point is when Gilchrest, Teague and the others are ready to join .. there will have to be some space for them ….. AND playing time …. maybe we had a hard time landing Thornton because Gilchrest is already locked in for 2011.
All you gurus of the roundball sport
You all know I keep to simple sports like football and don’t understand the fine points of basketball. But how can a school recruit four future, as in the next year future, one season and then have a difficult time filling its roster the next year? How I know we can fill the roster, take the starting five from The Dirt Bowl Championships over on Georgetown Street and let them walk on
Hey, so some of them didn’t graduate from high school. Do we really need student/athletes?
I’m talking about a team that finished in the Elite Eight, had many openings and offers you a chance to play in the Dribble Drive Offense and you ain’t interested?!?
I’m sure you all have the explanation, but inlight the rest of us why this seems to be what it is.
Satire? Yep. But I DO find this hard to understand.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I'm not going to explain it to you.
You really don’t want one, anyway.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Adoph, having a tough day?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
What's with the attitude?
I don’t understand why we can load up in one year and then be unable to fill the roster the next.
Maybe its going to be a every other year thing.
Next year we’ll have the best point guard in the country and others will want to play with him. Bingo!
But in 2012 things go south again?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
There's nothing to understand, Paris.
Some years, these things happen. They happened under Pitino, under Smith, under Rupp and under Hall. We don’t give away scholarships at UK just to fill the roster.
Sometimes, plans go awry. This is not rocket science. Surely it does not require an explanation.
You’ve lived life, haven’t you? Are you going to tell me every plan you made worked out perfectly? If so, I’m afraid I’m not going to believe you.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Thanks for reading my mind.
Why not explain why he is having a hard time filling the roster instead of the crude remarks>
Did I break the golden rule of questioning anything that may be less than saintly by Calipari?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Simple to me. I like baseball over football.
Cal is the Cecil Fielder of recruiting. He takes monster swings recruiting. It’s beautiful and awesome when he connects, but he misses frequently. Big presence. Kind of a loud-mouth, but definitely lovable. Fun to watch. Make no mistake, you like the 45 homeruns, but the .240 average and 125 K’s makes him tough to love all the time. Leaves you wondering if he’s really good for the team. Never has been a real winner. Sometimes you even question the PED’s.
So many of us would prefer a Derek Jeter. Solid. Consistent. Hits for a high average with okay power. Delivers year after year. Team first kind of guy. Even BoSox fans admire him. As clean as they come. Big time winner and a hall-of-famer.
Like it or not, Cal is Cecil. He will never be Jeter.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 7, 2010 11:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Or Prince.
Whatever. The analogy is the same for either.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 8, 2010 12:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Better Pick Another Analogy
In the last 5 seasons Calipari is: 33-4, 33-4, 38-2, 33-4 and 35-3 (most wins ever over such a period), a model of consistency and hardly analogous to a .240 hitter. How about this? In last 17 college seasons only Roy Williams (who BTW has more NCAA infractions) has won more games — solid long term success it appears. As far as K’s are concerned Calipari has recruited the nationally #2 ranked class, hardly a whiff — more like a leadoff double I would aver.
"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison
Yea, I get that.
If you only want the measure of winning being a won-lost record. That’s fine, of course. But that won’t get you into the Hall of Fame. Just like Cecil or his son won’t be in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Doesn’t make them bad players. In fact, they made a lot of money (although Cecil blew through his). Just like Cal.
I think my analogy holds fairly true. Feel free to try your own instead of picking apart mine.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Whoa Card!
Sounds like your wings have been clipped. LOL
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 8, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He misses frequently?
Really? Heh. What a joke.
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Yea, that's right.
With my analogy he’s a .600 hitter. Of course, those don’t exist. Some people wouldn’t know a compliment if it smacked them between the eyes. What a Joke II.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
He misses less frequently than almost any other NCAA coach on top prospects.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Appears getting the recruits isn't winning the battle doesn't it?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Maybe.
Although someone like Coach K may argue that ‘statistic’. Cal’s a great recruiter, no doubt, but at what point does one question why he can’t win THE tourney with all the great recruiting classes?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 8, 2010 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not for a while yet.
Recall that they used to ask that about K.
Used to.
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Oh, and for the record.
I love Prince Fielder. I want ‘my’ White Sox to sign him next year. So my analogy wasn’t critical of Cal.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Well you'll have to trust me then :-)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 8, 2010 1:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Correct again.
You’re right again Tru. I fell out of my chair onto the floor and am about to die from laughter. LOL
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 8, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh brother!
Paris, now you’re having a pity party. You aren’t fooling anyone on this website. This is my last post concerning you. My mother always said to have compassion on idiots and drunks. Enough said. Bye-Bye.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 8, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
WB1930
You’ve joined a group which came to the same realization of P’s approach. Just respond when he has something constructive or original to say – ’bout once a month.
Thanks hoboat.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Where did I say he was cheating?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
You're being obtuse, Paris.
He said “like so many suggest.” He didn’t accuse you of saying it.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Oh, it that like if there’s smoke there’s fire?
You and I know Cal is innocent. Right?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
You talkin' to me?
Hard to tell.
If so, don’t change the subject.
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