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2010-2011 UK Basketball: Who Will Lead Them?

With the University of Kentucky Wildcat basketball team being nearly eviscerated by early defections to the NBA and graduation, the 2010-2011 'Cats, while certainly lining up to be a talented bunch, seem to have a gaping leadership vacuum.  With only one senior on the roster, little-used Josh Harrellson, and juniors DeAndre Liggins, Darius Miller and Darnell Dodson, to go along with a plethora of freshmen, a major question mark for John Calipari and staff is who will lead this talented but very young squad?

But, perhaps a more appropriate question is; what qualities must one possess in order to be a leader?  What made Chuck Hayes, Patrick Patterson, and John Pelphrey great leaders?  Why were they followed, and not led?

To help answer those questions, I asked a number of athletes and coaches their thoughts on what it takes to make a great leader.  The panel includes UK All-America and former head coach of UNC-Charlotte, Mike Pratt, former UK football player, and current Denver Bronco wide receiver, Dicky Lyons Jr., long-time UK baseball head coach Keith Madison, UK All-America and former Morehead State basketball coach Kyle Macy, the ultra-successful coach of the Elizabethtown High School girls basketball team, Tim Mudd, former UK great Jeff Sheppard, and the great cross country coach, now retired, from Central Hardin and John Hardin High Schools, Bruce Seymour.

All are uniquely qualified to offer opinions with merit.  Let's begin with Mike Pratt:

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"Some thoughts on being a leader: 1. Be goal oriented.  2. Have good people skills.  3. Don't let the highs along the way to the goal be too high, or the lows too low.  4. Discipline.  5. Organization.  6. Be a competitor." 

 

Pretty straightforward stuff from Mr. Pratt, and I think an excellent beginning in our search for a rudder for the current crop of 'Cats.  But, I think the most thought-provoking idea coach Pratt puts forward is not allowing oneself to get too high or too low.  In college athletics, where so many of the performers are teenagers, this leadership tenet is possibly the most difficult to fulfill, and also promotes the idea that a great leader needs experience.  Although, as we've seen with John Wall and Patrick Patterson, college athletic experience isn't always a prerequisite for strong leadership.

Next in line is Dicky Lyons Jr.:

"A leader cannot be defined, only followed.  A great leader makes those around him want to do their best.  His character makes others want to find the natural leader within themselves."

"We are all born with greatness, and the ones who can get that out of others has a special gift that makes them great leaders."

I think Lyons' notion that a leader makes those around him want to do their best, rings very accurate.  Followers never want to let the leader down.  Whether it be in sports or business, when one is working for a respected leader, letting him/her down is always cause for regret.

"Comeback 'Cat" Jeff Sheppard has some excellent thoughts:

"I think a great leader shuts his mouth and leads with his life.  A great leader outworks everyone he leads until he receives the respect of his team, then he can open is mouth and lead with his mouth AND his life.  Then, if the team wins, he is remembered as a leader.  A great leader does this over and over."

 

I like the lead by example portion of Shep's thoughts, and the fact that he points out that outworking ones teammates is vital to leadership.  Leaders work, and then work some more, ala Patrick Patterson working all last summer on improving his three-point shot.  Players respect those who work above and beyond what is expected, because they know how difficult putting in extra work can be.

Next, the great Kyle Macy chimes in with some very cogent ideas :

"Great leaders come in all sizes and shapes, and can go about it (leading) in different ways.  However, some qualities of great leaders are: High self-confidence; excellent communication skills; the ability to think independently yet work well in a team structure; a willingness to put others ahead of oneself; and it is an added bonus if they possess a great skill level, too."

This is the first we've seen "high self-confidence" listed, which, as Macy points out, is a key quality to have in a leader.  If one doesn't believe in oneself, how can he get others to believe and follow?  Macy also says the ability (yes, ability) to sacrifice is a key component of a strong leader.  Followers, whether they be athletes or co-workers, can smell insincerity like a week old dead rat.  And the definition of insincerity within the realm of athletics can be found in the selfish.  Succinctly put, proof one is worthy of following is never more profound than when someone sacrifices their own self-interest, for the good of the team.

For 20 years Bruce Seymour led the track and cross country programs at Central Hardin and John Hardin High Schools.  Seymour's strong character and solid value system has made him one of the great leaders of young people in Hardin County.  His exceptional thoughts on leadership are as follows:

"During my coaching experience I met many leaders whom I depended.  Three of my runners who went on to participate in varsity athletics at the collegiate level were Andrea Doogs, Ryan Snellen, and Caleb Swartz.  During my tenure as a coach, these leaders all had similar qualities: They were high achievers -- I'm not saying they were all brilliant, but they achieved at a high level: They worked hard in practice and in life, setting an example for others to follow: They didn't want to let someone else down, like the coach or others on the team: They were all very honest in their assessment of their own ability, and the ability of others: They lived life in the present, not in the past -- What is done is done, and we have to move on to the best of our ability."

"They were also not reckless with their life choices; they knew right from wrong, and what the good choices are.  The choices they made were not just in what they did every day, but they listened and learned what was good to eat, say, and how to act.  There were no complaints about life and what they had to do each day.  They were all good at encouraging others, both coaches and athletes alike.  And they all remembered what they were trying to accomplish."   

Leaders being focused on the task at hand, having self-awareness, and leaving the past, good or bad, in the rear-view mirror, are I think, the three most important points coach Seymour makes: A leader without focus simply isn't a leader at all ... A leader without self-awareness, and self-honesty, can be disruptive within the team concept ... And a leader who can't leave the past where it belongs, is destined to never fulfill his full leadership potential because he isn't looking toward the most important part of his life, the future.

Keith Madison, who coached the UK baseball team for 25 years (1978-2003), compiled 737 wins (ranking third in SEC history), and had 85 players either drafted or sign professional contracts, is still one of the most well-respected men in the college baseball.  Madison is a past president of the American Baseball Coach's Association, and was the pitching coach for USA Baseball in 1999.  Some of Madison's more well-known charges are former/current major leaguers Jeff Parrett, Paul Kilgus, Jack Savage, Scott Downs, Cy Young Award winner Brandon Webb, William Vanlandingham, Mark Thompson, Joe Blanton, Andy Green, Terry Shumpert, and Larry Luebbers. 

The Brownsville, Kentucky native led the UK baseball program at a time when the recruiting budget can best be described as meager, and lagging far behind their SEC competition.  But through his hard work, leadership, and ability to relate to players and their families, Madison was able to build the Big Blue baseball program into a respected member of the SEC. 

Hired at age 26 to lead the Bat Cats, Madison earned his pristine reputation through his integrity, honesty, and high moral code.  Here are his thoughts on leadership:

 1. "Many times coaches try to select or 'promote' leaders; this usually does not work."

 2. "A coach should observe his team closely and notice who players look to when something profound, funny, or important is said in a team meeting, on the bus, or in the locker room.  The one or two players most of the team turns to see a reaction, are usually the true leaders on a team, because they are the ones with INFLUENCE.  A person can't lead unless he has influence.  A coach should get as close as possible to the players on the team who possesses influence, and then work very hard to develop those guys into positive leaders."  

3. "Positive leaders are those who have earned respect.  Character and work ethic help earn that respect."

4. "Not just because I coached for 28 years of my life, but I truly believe that in athletics, the coach is the ultimate leader.  I hear coaches complain about having no leadership as a reason for little success, and I think it is a flimsy excuse.  If the coach is to be the ultimate leader, then he/she should strive to be men and women of character and great work ethic themselves."

5. "It's the coach's job to find the influential athletes on the team, and then develop them into leaders.  The players will usually gravitate to the natural leaders.  It's in the coaches best interest to develop a great relationship with the natural leaders, and challenge them to have a great work ethic, class attendance, and punctuality, etc."

"The coach is the ultimate leader:" How very true.  For the coach is who everyone looks to as an example of how to conduct oneself, both on and off the court or field.  We've all heard the adage; The team mirrors its coach ... which is never more true when it comes to how the players react to stress, bad calls, losses, and even victories.

Although, ideally, a team will have at least one player capable and willing to lead his teammates, with the head coach lies the ultimate mantel of leadership. 

Expounding on the coach-as-leader philosophy of Keith Madison, we have Elizabethtown High School girl's basketball coach Tim Mudd.  Mudd, who took over a struggling E-town girl's program in the mid-'90's, has become, if not the best high school coach in Kentucky (either boys or girls), then he's certainly on the short list of the most accomplished. 

Since 1997, Mudd's teams have averaged 23 wins per year, and in the last five years the Panthers have won an average of 28 games per season.  Coach Mudd has led his team to five Kentucky Girl's State High School Tournaments, won one state championship, and played in the championship game three times.  And he's done this in the 5th Region, one of the toughest regions in the state for girl's basketball.  Furthermore, Mudd has excelled at a small, public school.

Coach Mudd was kind enough to offer his thoughts on what makes a coach a strong leader:

"I firmly believe first and foremost, you have to develop relationships with your players to be an effective leader.  They have to know that you care about them, on and off the court.  Next, you have to be patient and positive at all times.  Today's kids have a hard time with anything less than that.  Lastly, you must be consistent with everything you do at all times."

Build relationships, have patience, be positive, and consistent.

Players look at coaches and want to see stability, someone who cares about them as people, and isn't willing to throw them under the bus when they perform less than admirably.  But, being consistent in all areas lets the players know a coach is fair.  And that might just be the most important aspect of earning a players respect.  No one wants to play hard for someone they think isn't fair to each and every player ... from the star, to the bench warmer.

For the bench warmer has sacrificed and practiced just as hard as the leading scorer, and when teammates see everyone treated consistently, it encourages a "team first" attitude among the members of the squad.  And having such an attitude fosters hard work, focus, and a willingness to sacrifice for the good, and the goal of the team.

So who will lead the 2010-2011 Kentucky Wildcats?  That answer, I don't have, but it will be the player who displays a combination of sacrifice, unselfishness, a strong work ethic, high character, discipline, natural leadership skills, focus, and confidence in their own ability.  Or perhaps, coach Calipari will be the person the youthful team looks to for guidance, at least early on in the year.  For surely, a player will rise to the challenge and earn the right to lead a team with "Kentucky" across the chest, filling the vacuum, and enabling the 'Cats to exceed all expectations.

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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Why can't one of the Freshmen be a leader?

If the qualities mentioned by the panel above constitute a leader, why not a Freshman if he has what it takes? Maybe Brandon Knight will be that guy. Darius Miller can have that title if he wants, but not sure he does want it.

by UK1972 on May 28, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree about Knight

Anybody who has achieved on the court and in the classroom the way he has is doing a whole lot of something right. Admittedly, there may be things about him we don’t know, or he may not step in and claim the title of “leader”, but based on what we know of him, I’d have to imagine he’s at least a viable candidate.

How I wish Darius would step into that role. He’s been one of my favorites since his arrival on campus, but he doesn’t seem to have put it all together at the same time yet. That said, if he ever does, look out! It could be a thing of beauty.

by Acdixon on May 28, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

how would you classify Rhondo tenure at Kentucky then?

no slam, just askin’

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on May 28, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you're getting at, but

I was always very pro-Rondo, and still am. I thought he was even better than he got credit for in college, and unquestionably, he’s gotten even better since he went to the NBA. I know there was allegedly some kind of dust-up between he and Patrick Sparks (who is from my home county) over a girl, but I never was too interested in that. I know some thought Tubby’s system limited Rondo’s abilities, but I think that could probably be legitimately debated either way, too. And I heard Boston’s Big Three the other night talking about how he would sometimes get under your skin, but they admitted they sometimes got under his as well.

Relating this back to leadership, I always thought of Hayes as more of a leader than Rondo when they played together. If the stuff about he and Sparks was true, that probably hampered his leadership ability with at least some of the team. It was clear to me in the interview that The Big Three considered him a leader to at least some degree, and that’s saying something, considering their individual accomplishments. Whether that leadership developed in college or after he went to the NBA may be tough to determine exactly.

by Acdixon on May 28, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Rondo was excellent.

I don’t think he was much of a leader, though. He tried to lead by example, and a point guard needs to be a vocal leader.

It remains to be seen if Knight can do that. He may be able to, but we won’t know until the season starts. Vocal leadership is something that is rather harder to find than most people think. Too many players try to let their game do the talking, but that is just not enough.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 28, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems I remember a game in which he chose to not shoot.

What can of example would you classify that?

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on May 28, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don't know.

It’s hard to say who will emerge. It could be one of the juniors, or even one of the freshmen.

Last year, it was unquestionably John Wall. Who will it be this year? I have no idea yet.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 28, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree ABC.

it would be nice to hear from one of Cal’s former players to see what they thought Cal looked for in a leader.
Good article Ken.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on May 28, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Ken Howlett...

A very nice article Ken. Really informative. In coach Madison’s response to your inquiry,
#5. He states: “It’s the coach’s job to find the influential athletes on the team, and then develop them into leaders”.

Obviously he has done a great deal of study on the fact that leaders are made not born.

by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 28, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks Adolph,

Although I think there is such a thing as a “born leader,” I also believe leaders can be developed. The military has done a pretty good job of this for many years.

by Ken Howlett on May 28, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Job Ken

You went long and far to put this together. Many opinions of course. It’s been my experience that most leaders are natural born. It’s hard for an indivdual to accept leadership who has always played in the background. A natural leader just “does”. Everyone else will follow.

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on May 28, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks alot, oldcat

You’re right … many opinions, most with merit.

by Ken Howlett on May 28, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

oldcat70.....

Wrong. People are not “born” leaders. They are born with leadership abilities. Those
abilities must be developed by another leader.

by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 28, 2010 2:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Adolph

I disagree. I have been involved with many people that other people just want to follow.

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on May 28, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think there is a truth in both your comments.

I do think that some people have such strong personalities that others naturally want to follow. But to where?

It seems to me that learning to lead is at least as important as being attractive to follow.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 28, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice tru

I know some who are reluctant leaders. Natural leadership and the attractive personalities are like owning a loaded gun – in the wrong hands and hands without practice the can be powefuly dangerous.

The natual traits need training to lead.

Changing how you think will change what you think.

by wilson452 on May 28, 2010 9:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'd like to see

Miller step into Patterson’s shoes, and Knight into Wall’s.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on May 28, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

There are benefits to having both

an upperclassman team leader, and a freshman leader as well, especially when there are so many freshman.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on May 28, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't know.

It’s very hard to lead from the 3 spot in college basketball. You can provide leadership from there, but only very rarely have we seen a team leader emerge from the front court or the wing, Chuck Hayes being one notable exception.

The point guard is responsible for communicating most of the coach’s desires on the court, so teams tend to work better when leadership comes from there. I say “tend” and not “must”, because we have seen examples where front court leadership was very effective.

It’s just hard to say yet.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 28, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't Ppat one of the leaders of his teams?

What about Jordon at UNC and the Bulls? He was essentially a 3, though maybe a 2 at times, but never a PG. I don’t think Miller’s position is holding him back. I think it is his personality.

by JackBluto on May 28, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think Patrick provided leadership.

I don’t think he was the leader, though. It’s very difficult to be the leader in the front court.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 28, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right on.

Great article, Ken.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 28, 2010 10:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And to clarify further.

My agreement was limited to the fact that it is more difficult for a front court player to be positioned to be a leader. Patrick WAS a leader which is a compliment to him from a character and student.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 28, 2010 11:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And a well deserved compliment

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 28, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Liggins

Sleeper (maybe) but my guess.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 28, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

You know ...

… I think it might be possible. Liggins has some qualities, but I don’t know about his communication. He has also been a poor example on many occasions.

This is a tough one.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 28, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, I'll 'say' it.

Leadership at the college level has to be buttressed by performance in the classroom, too. Think Patrick.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 28, 2010 10:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

More so "nuts" by suggesting Harrelson

…but if I had to choose I would take Liggins over Harrelson on leadership – though I dont really think that he can carry that load either. I think Tru’s assessment on Liggins is pretty accurate concerning his communication. Harrelson as a “leader” is just laughable in my opinion.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on May 29, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Far Too Early To Tell

First, Ken, congratulations on the amount of work and research devoted to the subject, and for the audacity to choose such a reflective subject — audacious because there have been literally millions of words, and quite a few graphic images, devoted to the subject, thus to add others is adventuresome. The gentlemen — isn’t it noteworthy that no women were included? — all made relevant and, I’m sure, accurate comments and observations. Elementary observations are:

1) It is significant that Calipari’s photo is prominently positioned since in all reality he will, especially in the early going, be the leader — much as was the case last year. Whether a player assumes an on-the-court leadership position is problematic.

2) One of the questions I wish had been answered is one that faces all who are designated with determining leadership: what to do with the person who has the qualities but not the desire to lead (perhaps even the fear of leading). It’s been my experience in the military and private life that forcing such a square-peg personality into the round-hole of leadership is worse than counterproductive.

3) The subject of earned respect is vital to leadership yet there is substantial difference between the two. There is little doubt in my mind that John Wall was the on-the-court leader of the Cats and he did it as a freshman which means he had to earn respect early — although a vacuum due to the seniors lack abilities and Patterson’s discomfort with the position made it easier — which he did by positively responding in early critical situations. It should be noted that the playing position alone can determine leadership decisions, i.e. it’s easier for a PG or a QB to lead than, say, a WR or PF.

4) On the subject of born or made leaders much has been written and opinions vary even from those who have great experience in developing leaders and themselves leading. I do agree with oldcat70 that those with innate leadership personalities are much easier molded into true practicians of task. Conversely it is quite a challenge — and not always worth the effort — to convert the reticent.

5) To answer the lede question is pure conjecture of course but I would not at all be surprised to see Enes Kanter step into the role, although as explained above, it is difficult for a 5 or even a 4 to accomplish. Brandon Knight with his obvious intellect and goal accomplishments and playing the 1 is the other logical contender. I don’t see any of the older players being capable or even desiring of such a posture.

As stated an untold number of words have been communicated on leadership here is some of the more accurate and succinct:

"The challenge of leadership is to be strong, but not rude; be kind, but not weak; be bold, but not bully; be thoughtful, but not lazy; be humble, but not timid; be proud, but not arrogant; have humor, but without folly."

You can see how difficult it is.

"There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness." --George Washington

by Wild Weasel on May 28, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Performance in the classroom = JW.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 28, 2010 10:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cal & Cal(houn): Something In Common?

According to Gary Parrish it’s the ability to escape the long hand of the NCAA. A real stretch considering that Calhoun has 8 (according to my count) NCAA infractions and Calipari has zero.

"There is a rank due to the United States, among nations, which will be withheld, if not absolutely lost, by the reputation of weakness." --George Washington

by Wild Weasel on May 28, 2010 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

None Of Those 8 Are By Calhoun

Both he and others dance right along the edge of NCAA rules.

His ASSISTANTS were deemed responsible for those 8 violations.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 28, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

FortyYearCatFan......

Yep! Mabye so but the Captain is responsible for the actions of his crew.

by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 28, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then Rupp, Hall, And Sutton...

Are responsible for NCAA Death Penalty in 1953, NCAA probation in 1976, and NCAA sanctions in 1989?

by FortyYearCatFan on May 28, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

YES. Absolutely yes.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 28, 2010 10:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have always held Sutton responsible

His assstant was on the return label for the Emery envoleope. If the coaches are involved, then the head coach is involved. Which still absolves Cal, but would not necessarily absolve others.

by JackBluto on May 28, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sutton was negligent.

I don’t hate Sutton, I just believe that he was guilty of John Wooden compliance – he saw what was going on and turned a blind eye.

That is culpable negligence, in my view, and in the view of the University of Kentucky who forced him to resign.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 28, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know you didn't ask me, but

Sutton’s alcoholism + the added pressure of being at UK caused him to do a lot of things he had never done before.

People remember Emory, but they forget there were many, many other violations, both major and minor during Sutton’s time in Lex.

by Ken Howlett on May 28, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tru

Was Dwane Casey the ass. that sent the “Envelope”? Just asking because he has worked his way up in the league. Now being ass. at Dallas and on the short list for two coaching jobs.

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on May 28, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Casey was the fall guy

and yeah, I’ve pulled for him ever since. Remember, he was the head coach for the T-wolves for a while, but he had a pathetic roster.

by Ken Howlett on May 28, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Casey got blamed but won multi-million $ lawsuit settlement.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is NOT logical.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 28, 2010 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I guess I should expound

This is only my opinion – I thought Casey took the fall for something he didn’t do.

by Ken Howlett on May 28, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Sorry for the confusion. My comment was directed toward Bluto. You can’t hold Calhoun responsible and at the sametime absolve Cal…..or some other coach.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 28, 2010 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not necessarily.

I think there has to be some kind of culpable negligence, or knowledge of the situation.

It is impossible for any organization to produce a series of procedures which will forestall the possibility of someone breaking the rules without his supervisor knowing about it.

Too much can be accomplished away from the workplace, and no supervisor should be tasked with monitoring a subordinate away from work.

I think the idea that the leader always gets the blame for unethical actions by subordinates is highly facile. They definitely should be examined closely for culpability or negligence, but if neither are present, and if all the procedures were followed properly, I can’t see why Calhoun should be blamed just because an employee went rogue.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 28, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

At some point the preponderance or totality or the depth or the coordination of the rule breaking at some point goes back to the coach.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 28, 2010 10:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wild Weasel...

I appreciate both of your above posts. You’re right about varying opinions on the subject of leadership. As far as being born with leadership abilities your statement about having a leadership “personality” is the same thing that I said.

Personalities can be molded and/or remolded depending on the individuals willigness to change. Temperament on the other hand cannot be changed at all. It is what the individual has and always will have. It can however be controlled but never altered.

For instance a person with a very outgoing personality has a “Sanguine” temperament
that is very pleasant to be around. There are 4 basic human temperaments. This is but
one of them.

by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 28, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

miller or liggins if not both

should lead.. if i was calipari i would give them both co-captain status.. then tell them both that they need to bring it every game, id also tell miller last year you stood in the shadows and it ended up costing you pt… we cant have that, i want you to average double digits or we will put liggins, dodson or poole in your spot

by kentuckywild on May 28, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone see on the front page

of the NY Times website Eric Bledsoe is looking like he may have been ineligible last year hopefully Cal dont get us on probation

Nobody's perfect...well there was this one guy but we killed him.

Anonymous

by Dmerit on May 28, 2010 10:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Its on espn.com

Front page as well, lets hope its not a big deal……crosses fingers

Nobody's perfect...well there was this one guy but we killed him.

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by Dmerit on May 28, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very little real info so far

But, if someone paid Bledsoe’s families rent (his family is not well off) while he was in HS, as long as it wasn’t a representative of a college, his eligibility for last season should not be effected. Could just be someone looking out for a struggling family.

by Ken Howlett on May 28, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it was supposedly his high school coach that paid the rent

Not saying I disagree with you, but the NCAA also cleared Derrick Rose before saying is was ineligible…..so their enforcement of rules does not follow logic….

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.

by btcoop71 on May 28, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just read the NYT article

Don’t know what to think. Awful lot of smoke!

If UK is somehow punished for this, Calipari has to be the unluckiest SOB in the history of the world.

by Ken Howlett on May 28, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dispise the NYT.

But when they investigate and it reaches the ‘headlines’, there is usually more than just smoke.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on May 28, 2010 10:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

its a pretty

interesting read on Nytimes website, it does talk about that and a college recruiter talking to his HS coach and the coach asking to get paid,

Nobody's perfect...well there was this one guy but we killed him.

Anonymous

by Dmerit on May 28, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

umm by some chance this becomes an issue

how does a hs coach paying a kids moms rent to get him to come to HIS HIGH SCHOOL TEAM fall back on calipari…lol and i love the so-called unnamed coach …lol not buying it

by kentuckywild on May 28, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm unclear about these rules too

but I would assume that the burden does fall on the college program to do their due dilligence to ensure a player is in fact eligible?

by blue kentucky girl on May 29, 2010 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was more

worried about his grades not being up to snuff to be eligible. Went from a 1.2 to a 2.5 in a semester yikes

Nobody's perfect...well there was this one guy but we killed him.

Anonymous

by Dmerit on May 28, 2010 10:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Yikes is right

I hope this all works out. ;-{{{{

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 28, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

1.9 to 2.5 is

very doable.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on May 28, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

1.9 Over 3 Years

Requires 4.0 (+) in 4th year to get to 2.5 average.

by FortyYearCatFan on May 29, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ken, this took a lot of time

Appreciate all the insights as to what they all thought it takes to be a leader. I think we will see it develop within the team. I am not sure who or when, but I have faith in someone stepping up.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 28, 2010 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

yikes...

Kentucky basketball is under investigation. Have fun with that. Wise choice, Terrence.

by Kentucky Humidity-lmao on May 29, 2010 2:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Just exactly where

did you find any information that says UK is under investigation?

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on May 29, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is this a surprise?

I must admit, I was quite shocked. No way could Calipari be involved. He knew nothing about it, right? LMAO. Reality will set in soon, folks. I honestly feel bad for UK fans. You have a coach that DOESN’T CARE.

by Kentucky Humidity-lmao on May 29, 2010 2:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Kentucky basketball

I Love Kentucky basketball, and the tradition. It’s second to none. But honestly guys, you have a coach that is a cheater. Deep down, that has to bug you. Just a gut feeling here. You guys will end up hating this guy within 2 years, and do you think he cares? He will be on to the next place. University of Kentucky doesn’t deserve that. No one does.

by Kentucky Humidity-lmao on May 29, 2010 3:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I se ylou are just expressing YOUR opinion. Most don’t have a problem with that.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on May 29, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

If only that were so.

The former, I mean. He is not expressing an opinion, but making a libelous accusation.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 29, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want you ...

… to provide evidence of cheating before you make accusations.

We don’t libel other coaches here, and I insist that you either show the same courtesy, or provide proof. In fact, I demand it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on May 29, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Humid-Im

I don’t know how you are still able to post. Nothing but a troll! If I had the hammer you would have been gone last week when you first spouted off!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat70 on May 29, 2010 3:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Posts may get

ugly uglier. Hang on Sloopy…..

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 29, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

HUH?

oldcat70, they kick you out of here for telling the truth? I have done nothing wrong.

by Kentucky Humidity-lmao on May 29, 2010 5:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I think he may become a ghost soon...

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.

by btcoop71 on May 29, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

A ghost, then I must reply

Oops, there I go again. ’-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 29, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Funny how that always seems to happen to you. ; )

As far as replying to trolls, I’m not sure why people even do it?

If they are truly a troll, that’s exactly why they come here — to try and stir up trouble and get us all riled up, and we are just obliging them and giving them what they want if we reply and argue with them. Trolls can’t be reasoned with because their intent is malicious, you know?

I don’t know about you, but I don’t really like giving poor, pathetic, mean-spirited, petty individuals what they want. We’ve all got better things to do, I’m sure of it. ; )

by BigSkyCat on May 29, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am not going to

(I actually replied to coop anyway). I was only making light of it. I have tons better things to do than that. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on May 29, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes,

I know you do. And, besides, you are far too sweet to be bothering with trolls, anyway. ; )

by BigSkyCat on May 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

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