We Don't Need No Stinking GPA!!!!!
This is not going to set well with a lot of folks out there, so feel free to blast away. But we need to address something that is not being discussed in this whole GPA nonsense. I say nonsense not because I think that the GPA is insignificant. In fact, it is quite the opposite. We are the University of Kentucky. With that title comes certain obligations for not only the university but the players who play there. And blowing off your last semester is not one of those obligations.
First, let me say this. Daniel Orton, great kid as he may be, needs to have his backside removed from between his shoulders. I don't care what your reason is for coming to UK, I really don't. I don't care if you start, sit the bench, or fold towels in the locker room during practice, you had better take your ego, your brain, and your size 17 shoes and get yourself to class, period. There is no excuse for not going to class. Not getting the best grades can happen, but not going to class is making a joke of the whole system. And no, I don't care that he was brought here to play basketball, and I don't care what the NCAA requirements are, and I don't care what Mitch Barnhart's goals for the school are. Take yourself to class, do the work, and let the chips fall where they may.
This is not a "one-and-done" issue. This is not a "freshman" issue. This is not a cultural issue, and this is not a societal issue. This is an individual integrity issue. And no, I don't care if Daniel reads this and gets all bent out of shape about it, or any other player for that matter. We gave the kid a scholarship to play basketball. He only has 2 responsibilities. Play ball and go to class. If he puts in even the slightest effort, he makes a passing grade. If a kid wants to leave after one year, then fine, leave. But leave in good standing and not hanging the rest of the team, your coach, and your school out to dry. I applaud the effort of any kid who tries. Even if they are not a great student, yet they put forth the effort, they are a winner in my book. With all of the help available to these kids in the UK system for their classwork, there is no reason a kid cannot pass. But if you do not show up, you get to draw the ire of the fans, and probably your teammates and the coaching staff, and rightfully so. Sorry Daniel, loved your intensity on the court, just wish you had used some of it on campus.
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As gunney would say.. HOORAH!!
This is exactly the point I was trying to make in the other thread, but leave it to the future staff author of ASoB, ALLBLUCAT, to put it into better form. I applaud you sir.
I dont know about that, but thanks for the encouragement.....lol....
I now believe that the kid knew exactly what he was doing, and intentionally left UK in the lurch, so to speak. In other words he knew how this was going to play out.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
very succint ABC
it IS a simple matter really and you nailed it. Cheers!
I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.
Agreed,
perhaps he thought that he wasn’t hurting anyone, but he hurt his teammates that stayed behind in school and damaged the reputations of the ones that left with him. Inexcusable.
ABC
Just read your report on “Wall Street Journal” good job!;-)
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
yeah.....lol.....cant wait for that to happen......lol......
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This was touched on through another thread but..
… it’s a two way street. Before you think I disagree with ABC, I don’t. Orton is just plain wrong. But the whole arguement needs to be taken one step further by the university to show their interest in the “scholar” part of the equation.
I’ll play devil’s advocate (aka An Ortonian Athelete) for a minute:
“I was given a scholarship to Kentucky to come play basketball (or football or whatever) and all the university is required to do is give me one year of room and board. If I don’t produce I can easily find myself out of college and little prospect for the future. If the university really wanted me to come play a sports AND get passing grades for a full time student then the scholarship offer should be just that – include four years of school should athletic endeavors not work out”.
This by no means puts me in the camp of accepting Ortonians that leave destruction in wake of their immature decisions. The universities should extend four years of education as part of any one year athletic scholarship. Bruce Pearl spoke of the condition of an athelete not being able to perform due to injury or illness but even that is too limited for emphasizing to the athlete the education element they all need, whether they are one-and-done, two-and-skidoo
or whatever.
I can give you that all with one caveat there hobo.....
the University is also bound to give you an opportunity to get an education…whether that is for one year or 4, it is at your discretion as an athlete to decide. You are not bound to do that, but dont take exception if I call you on not doing it. But I do not agree to the 4 years for 1 year of service.
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Its just that
many of these kids can’t afford college and the athletic scholarship is their foot in the door. I think with what the university makes off these kids they can afford a four year academic scholarship coupled with the one year athletic scholarship. And no, not four years academic for each one year athletic.).
There should be certain strings attached to the guaranteed four years though. A declared major, passing grades, full-time student, etc.
I agree. If you actually need to only six hours a semester, hell, you can take
1, Beginning Basketball
2, Score Keeping
3, Taping ankles
BUT what ever you do DON’T take Foul Shooting. It would be our luck the women’s team would be taking the same course and the teacher would grade on the curve and you’d flunk.
Stick to the important stuff, you know all that stuff that is going to help you be successful later in life!
Go just enough to remember where your seat is. Get the big geeky kid to fill in for you often and hell, UK will just be a bus stop on the way to the big money!
Hope none of ours were taking correspondence courses through those two schools the NCAA has decided not to accept.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
well Paris, it might not be quite that easy, but you are on point with the meaning of what you said. I dont see anyone taking tests
or attending classes for anyone else.
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Let's hope not.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
ahhh yes
another great comment about you supposed favorite school … look untill the ncaa or the nba make players stay more then one year… who cares what the kid did,,, he did what he set out to do ,, go to the nba and helped uk to tons of wins and sec title, so what if he stop his school work the last term.. wasnt like he was graduating anyways… lets stop the charade of the “student athletes” when it comes to one and dones
by kentuckywild on May 27, 2010 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions
In this case wild, the charade was all Daniel Orton's. He was never slated to be a
one and done by anyone who knows anyone about basketball. A non-starter freshman??Going to the NBA as a lottery pick? No, sorry, he doesnt get a pass. And no matter what you call it, it hurt the school’s GPA, it hurt the school’s image and it hurt the effort that his teammates all put in. I dont care if he isnt a great student……I care that he makes the effort. And lying about it on top of that just makes it worse.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
anyone twice was a mistake....2nd should be anything.....oops!
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
OR
Can they just take correspondence courses and get the staff, managers and a few others to stop by every week or so and get their signatures on the papers they have to send in?
We certainly don’t want them to waste alot of time on gaining the actual college experience.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
pssst ABC, I don't think Daniel is going to read this. But if he does I bet you don't get a xmas card.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
ABC
You sure stirred up Paris!!!
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
Paris, not to worry.
I’m ‘listening’.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on May 27, 2010 4:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We are all "listening" on this one Hoze....no one is making any excuses here.....
this was wrong, period.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Smartest guy I know!
Sorry, but I think its a joke when a kid can do what Daniel did.
Its an embarassment to the program, and all associated with it.
If they want to use the system like this, maybe that should bar freshmen from playing. Solve a lot of problems and let them show their stuff against other freshmen.
Or let the NBA have a development league.
Why not?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I think we all agree that Daniel manipulated the system Paris......And I could agree with the freshmen not playing rule
but good luck getting the NCAA to enforce it.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
ParisGuy......
Should have known. Another off the wall proposal.
“Gloom despair and agony on me,
Deep dark depression excessive misery,
If it weren’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all,
Gloom despair and agony on me”.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
ALLBLUCAT....
He’s on the trail of something new,
Won’t be long and he’ll be through.
In the pastures over the hills,
Always looking for new thrills,
After he catches his tasty prey,
No longer will he have to bay.
BURMA SHAVE
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
What would Cal do? Damn that would be the 64 dollar question!
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
In this particular situation, there is nothing he can do.....
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
I have stated.....
some of these same things on two other articles and I had people all over my ass. I was accused of treating poor Daniel badly. He deserved better than to be criticized. Of course you said it better and in more detail than I did.
It don’t mean nothin’. Not a thing. It don’t mean nothin’. Not a thing.
Hooray!!! GPA It don’t mean nothin’. Not a thing.
"What to do with a mistake....recognize it, admit it, learn from it, forget it....that's why they put erasers on pencils".- - - - Adolph Rupp
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 26, 2010 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
Beg to differ on one point ABC...
In regards to
needs to have his backside removed from between his shoulders
I think that should read “needs to have his backside put between his shoulders”, as in a meeting between his rump and someone else’s collection of 26 bones and 33 joints, collectively known as a “foot”…
Most everybody knows that I’m a pretty big Ort fan, but how to say, my enthusiasm towards him has waned in the past couple of months?? Going pro, even though I think he’s a year early, is OK, but ditchin’ the last semester is a foul… Technical-like!
If your wings don't sweep....
Eagle!
There you are. I have actually been thinking about you in the wake of all these Daniel revelations, and well, I’m so sorry. I think we are all disappointed in the news of his failure to complete his class requirements at UK and what that might reveal about him as a person, but it must be extra hard on those who really liked him and totally believed in him.
Not to bring up bad memories for some, but it’s sort of like with Billy Gillispie, the ones who believed in him and were his biggest supporters were more disappointed than most when it didn’t work out.
Hey!
Sorry, been on the road quite a bit, wife has had some surgery… Sometimes life just piles up on ya, ya know?? :-) I’ve found that I’ve been about 4 days behind all the posts, so a little late to comment. Appreciate the thoughts, for sure! The Billy G analogy is just about right BSC, nicely stated!
If your wings don't sweep....
EagleTDL
In other words, kick his ass up between his shoulder blades!! Har! Har! Har!
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I just hope he learns that you cant do your team this way.....cause as a rookie in the NBA he isnt
going to catch any breaks
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Good to see you, Eagle
I thought you might be still watching that one cricket game, ;-)
I love the foul reference you made. It fits so well.
Good news……..We have all kinds of new talent to become a fan of.
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
LOL Well... Most matches don't last quite that long...
I had a “Tru” moment on the foul reference, maybe he’s rubbing off on my English skills?? You’re right Mom, loads of new talent, will just have to find a new favorite! Would have had to find a new one when he graduated, this has just accelerated my time-line a bit…
If your wings don't sweep....
Oh boy.
They hired Kenny Payne. Now hire some more tutors for the dummies.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 1:34 AM EDT reply actions
That may be a little harsh there Adolph.....Orton's failure to try is the only problem we have seen so far.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
What?
Compared to some of the comments I’ve seen on this “respectable site” that’s nothing.
Starting with the article itself Daniel Orton has just been crucified. I think there’s more to this affair than people know.
Sounds just like the Michael Bradley affair when supposedly Donna Smith told Tubby to get rid of Michael Bradley.
Hard telling who really coaches these teams anymore.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 8:41 AM EDT reply actions
Well a generalization of calling the whole team "dummies" is not really accurate or helpful.
And yeah sometimes some folks get a little crazy on here, but we try to keep it to a minimum. Daniel “crucified” himself with his actions, if you are comfortable with that choice of words. Do I condemn him for it? Yes. He put a lot of people and their trust out in the wind. That is a really classless thing to do after his rise in stature over the course of the season under Calipari’s tutelage. Especially when you consider that Wall was truly the only one-and-done player recruited and he has the best GPA of anyone’s we have heard, AND he completed all of his classes.
The Bradley situation was all rumors and innuendo, and has no place in this discussion. Orton did what he did, did it intentionally, and then lied about it to avoid the criticism. Which in and of itself is pretty dumb when you consider that his leaving school would become public knowledge at some point.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Allow me to offer another view.
If I recall correctly, I think Orton said that he was going to finish the semester remotely or on-line from California. At the time, I thought that was incredible and to be completely honest, a little academically shaky on UK’s part. With that perspective, I think it speaks well of UK maintaining some sort of academic integrity.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
And if he had done that, no matter what the grade, I would be tickled pink....but......
we have what we have. That is a good point there Hoze.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
ALLBLUCAT....
Mabye. By what authority do you set yourself up to “condemn” anyone? You’re well educated. You know what the definition of “condemn” is.
I believe that, that is going way over the line. I don’t consider myself to have a mandate to condemn anyone for anything. I don’t think that you do either.
As I said in two other articles, Orton acted like a spoiled brat who took his marbles and went home. For writing those comments I was severely upbraided and made to feel like
I had just slit Orton’s throat.
No consistency here CAT. Only certain people can say what they please. Others who do
are threatened with expulsion from the site. And that’s OK. I’m going to expell myself.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions
Who said you can't say what you please?
Just don’t be a dick about it….
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
Let me re-phrase
I’m saying that anyone should feel free to offer an opinion without doing so in a dickish manner.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
case in point
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
he just feels attacked there coop.....just trying to hold his ground.....
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Seems to give as good as he gets
from my observations.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 27, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
again, we all do that from time to time......
no stone throwing from inside a glass tower n’cest pas??
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Whatever you say...
Im just saying from my own observations, he attacks one minute and acts like a victim the next.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 27, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
...and you just stay out of my tower ABC. ;)
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on May 27, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
aren't you married?
j/k
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
yes, but one never passes on an opportunity to improve one's
stature with one’s peers…..or to suck up to get yourself out of trouble the next time!!!
Besides, my wife knew how I was before she married me and she married me anyway…..lol
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
kentucky10724.....
You seem to be intelligent. And I mean that as a compliment. What I
would like to know is; do you have a degree that allows you to make such an “observation”?
There are enough self styled “shrinks” to go around. However if you ARE qualified my hat is off to you.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Seem to be?
Tests on intellence will be given at Memorial Hall, this Saturday for all who wish to attent.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
btcoop ...
… leave the profanity out of it, please. This was unnecessarily provocative. Let’s keep it civil.
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My bad Tru
Sometimes Red Reporter rubs off on me….lol
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
Heh.
I understand.
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by Glenn Logan on May 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still trying to learn, but...
…I think this qualifies as a ‘snarky comment’. Right?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Mine or yours?
j/k….I think I’m the only one left that likes you Hoze!
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
Excellent. I strive to be liked.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Cool.
I’m here only to learn. ;-)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Then listen
carefully, Grasshopper, and you will see the path.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Hoze, you got on the blue tinted glasses I hope.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
HozeKing...
SNARKY. Wasn’t that one of our country’s first SAM’s? Oh, that’s right it was the SNARK.
Nicht war?
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, dont feel as though you are being singled out. I have been called on the carpet before
and rightfully so. I have let my emotions get the better of my keyboard more than once. Tru is pretty tolerant of anything short of personal attacks, or attacks on a coach/player’s reputation. I dont believe this was any of those, but if you see it as such, I can understand. I saw something that I felt was detrimental to the team and made my own analysis of it. You are free to make your opinions known around here, just follow the community guidelines when you do.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
On the "condemn" portion of the post,
I “condemn” any behavior/action/quote which takes away from the hard work put in by a lot of people to make UK a successful program. If this had been a mistake by Orton, unknowingly hurting the program, it would have been a passing mention. He knew what his actions could cause.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
ABC
Look at the recommends this has already received. We strongly agree. When coop posted the news in FanShots, look at the number of comments there. We were disappointed by it. We may be called crazy UK fans sometimes, but we do it with a lot of pride in our University.
Oh and congrats on the move to the front page.
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
thanks a2....every once in a while I get one right....and I didnt even have to use a conspiracy theory to do it!!
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
ALLBLUCAT.....
Do you see what I mean? btcoop1 just implied that I’m a “dick” for having an opinion.
OK. In calling the other players “dummies” I went too far and must retract that comment.
University life isn’t easy. I ’ll cocede that fact.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
Well, he did try to re-phrase the statement.....vocabulary is something we can all work on
I think the point he was trying to make is that we can all get our opinions heard without “baiting” the other side as Tru calls it. Coop has gotten called on it sometimes as well. I dont think he meant anything personal by the comment.
This is going to be a tricky issue at best. What I think we can all agree on is that Orton did not put the University in a good light with his actions.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Yeah, I wasn't trying to call him a dick
Just saying that it comes across like that sometimes. I’d be a hypocrite if I said I was never guilty of being snarky at times.
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.
we have all been that way at one point or another.....it happens
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
btcoop71.....
Of course not ‘coop. I understand. The devil made you do it. Blast that devil anyway. He’s always doing things like this. I think mabye it IS what he does.
by WildcatBlue1930Adolph on May 27, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
This is no time
to bring Calipari into this!
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Is there a post on the boards that doens't end up with Calipari?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Why don't you start one?
:-)
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by Glenn Logan on May 29, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I've tried. Three fan posts concerning football.
But with the latest news I will forego my efforts to see what happens.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Probably a good idea.
Football starts to kick in around here sometime in July. That’s just the way it is.
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I never thought that the blue tinted posters on these sites would turn on one another like this.
But its good to see not everyone is failing to think for themselves.
PLease continue.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

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