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Kentucky Basketball: Recruiting and Reloading

An interesting thought just occurred to me:  What if the rest of UK's 2010 recruiting does not go according to plan?

Let's take a look at the worst-case scenario first.  Right now, UK has the following commitments to play in 2010 (I don't distinguish here between verbals and LOI's.  Lets just assume they all show up.):

  1. Brandon Knight
  2. Enes Kanter
  3. Stacey Poole
  4. Doron Lamb

Now, let's consider the possibility that all four freshmen from this year's team move on to the NBA (a fairly good probability) and that for whatever reason, the rumors are true and Darnell Dodson decides not to return to Kentucky.  That would leave:

  1. Josh Harrellson
  2. Darius Miller
  3. DeAndre Liggins
  4. Jon Hood

Keep in mind, I'm just playing with hypotheticals here.  I don't know anything about Dodson leaving, or the freshmen signing with agents, or any of that stuff.  This is all, "Just suppose."

More after the jump.

Star-divide

Assuming the above scenario, that leaves Kentucky with eight scholarship players.  Of the remaining Kentucky recruits, their status is as follows:

  1. C.J. Leslie (F) -- Currently visiting the Connecticut Huskies.  Announcement by the end of this month.
  2. Terrence Jones (F) -- Visited Kansas over the weekend, to announce Friday.
  3. Terrence Ross (G/F) -- Reportedly committed to the Washington Huskies over the weekend, to officially announce Friday.
  4. Marcus Thornton (F) -- Plans to visit schools starting in May.
  5. Corey Joseph (G) -- Not really recruited by Kentucky but now committed to the Texas Longhorns.  Mentioned only because some speculated UK interest due to his high ranking.

Assuming that Ross and Joseph are both off the board, that leaves three more players that Kentucky is known to be recruiting that could be available, all three of them play approximately the same position -- versitile forwards who can play either the wing or the four.

That means in the worst-case scenario, there have to be some players to be named later.  Obviously, two or even three could come from the return of Orton, Dodson and/or Bledsoe, (and you might argue that ambiguity is why there are not more names on UK's list) but we are looking at worst-case here.  That would put Kentucky's roster at only nine (or possibly even eight in the unlikely event of a Calipari strike-out), and talented though those nine might be, that just isn't enough for a college basketball season.  UK was lucky last year in that the Wildcats were largely injury-free, but that good fortune isn't likely to hold indefinitely.

The bottom line here is that there is a pretty good chance, probably 50/50, that UK can't fill their roster with the players it is currently either recruiting or could have returning.  I'm confident Calipari has planned for this contingency, and there are always players out there that change their mind or become available for some reason even as late as June or July, so I think we are still in a pretty good spot.  But what we see here is one of the dangers of having so many hold-outs to the late signing period -- if everything goes against you, you might wind up with serious needs unfulfilled.

In the best-case scenario, all three of the remaining holdouts would sign up with UK, Kentucky would again have the #1 class in the land, and whether any of the two freshmen or Dodson return wouldn't be particularly important.  Even if two of the three remaining hold outs matriculate to UK, the roster would be sufficiently deep at ten for UK not to worry -- sure, Cal could find a player or two, or some people could return, but the pressure would be off.

These next four weeks will be interesting, to be sure.

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There Is Another Guy (Named Hill, I Think)

He is F from prep school in NC.

Not sure of all the details on him.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

More 411

Chris Hill is 6-8 F from Christian Faith Academy in Raleigh NC.

He is being recruited by big name schools including UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The word I have heard ...

… is that he is not a prospect UK is seriously considering.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Apr 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think if Leslie and Jones go elsewhere, Thornton will commit

He may still commit even if those two sign, but if they didn’t I’d think the chance at immediate playing time at UK would be too tough to pass up.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.

by btcoop71 on Apr 26, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd be shocked ...

… if Cal struck out.

The high probability is that he will get 2/3.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Apr 26, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.

by btcoop71 on Apr 26, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better than having too many like UConn, I guess

We will be okay. The next four weeks will be interesting and exciting, for sure. We are having fun, remember?

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Apr 26, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

several things:

1) worst case would add Enes not getting eligible
2) i find it hard to believe Knight commits without knowing some of the other guys are coming – ditto on lamb
3) uconn is over committed as of now – i find it hard to believe they have a shot at Leslie – more worried about nc state.

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Apr 26, 2010 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think ...

… that Kanter not becoming eligible is actually a possibility, based on what I have read.

Even if you’re right about Knight, there are only a maximum of three who would come. Of them, the high probability is that only one of Jones/Leslie comes. Thornton may also, but that is far from certain. So what could Knight “know?”

You’re right about UConn, but a visit means that they intend to make room if he will come. I don’t think he will, though.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Apr 26, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now Tru.....youre looking at the galss half-empty again.....

I thought Cal broke you of this last year??….lol….

We get 2 more recruits to sign……1 more juco transfer, and there is a walk-on now…..misplaced his name, but I believe it is on Aaron’s Kentucky Bball Links….

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Which JUCO?

I haven’t heard about that. There was talk about Eloy Vargas, but that is very unlikely, according to my understanding.

Walk-ons are not really relevant to the discussion. I am talking about scholarship players.

As far as getting two more HS signees, yeah, I think that’s pretty likely, but …

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Apr 26, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

the juco was a what-if....sorry to get you excited.....I had heard rumblings about the Vargas kid too....

I dont know how solid he is, but Cal will fill with a juco if he needs to…..there are some out there that would not be considered big time kids like Dodson was, but I think he will find one if we end up needing them.

On another note…..that walk-on might get relevant if we DONT get some more guys…..lol…

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 More Recruits And 1 Walk-On (Are My Guesses)

That would be 10 on scholarship and 1 walk-on.

4 returning and 6 freshman recruits plus 1 freshman walk-on.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems a little thin but

Cal has stated a couple times that leaving a couple spots open makes it easier to keep players happy with playing time. Better hope the injury bug doesn’t bite. No doubt that Cal is a glass half full kind of guy.

by cthom on Apr 26, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

Duke runs 10 or 11 almost every year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would still be happier with 13 even if one or two were walkons.....

injuries could decimate you in a hurry with only 10-11…..I dont care if Coach K does feel like playing russian roulette

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cal will need

to save some schollys for next years class.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Apr 26, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jarrad Polson

Offered walk-on spot, not accepted yet.

1st team All-Stater from West Jessamine KY.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Polson

Polson is very underated,hes not an athletic freak but very solid and a team player not sure why he is gettin zero attention but would be a good get,we gave Hood a scholarship so why not a guy who explodes in march

by onemaco on Apr 26, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure the Hood comparison is good.

Remember, Hood was a four star recruit, ranked as the #10 SF in the 2009 class. Polson may very well be underrated, but Hood was a solid recruit who also had offers from Tennessee, Georgia, Ole Miss, Western, and interest from schools like Duke and Florida.

http://kentucky.scout.com/a.z?s=48&p=9&cfg=bb&c=4&yr=2009

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 27, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

JUCO

what about Terpin’s kid? have we heard anything more about his eligibility to transfer? i don’t think he would be a significant contributor this year, but he could provide depth.

i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.

by small balls on Apr 26, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

I havent seen anymore than was posted about him a couple weeks back.....cannot tell if he will amount to much,

but, as you say, he could provide a few minutes of depth

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely sobering

And Polson (the potential walk-on) did not make the KY All-Star team. And three of the best players in KY did not try out – Chad Jackson, Dakota Euton, and Guyn (sp?).

I’m not sure who’s giving Bledsoe advice, but his stock is supposedly falling, and falling fast. Perhaps the GM’s are actually watching some game tape.

I’ve thought for a while that Cal would get either Jones or Leslie … so I’m not worried … yet.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 26, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

There should be ways to help kids in his situation.....some sort of guaranteed loan program

or something….I know it couldnt go to help his family, it just seems silly for the kid to have to go this way when another year could make him a potential top 5-10 pick…..and maybe he will be anyway, but I have not seen anyone make that prediction other than the Vandy site, and frankly I am not sure how much that person knows….

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

A loan program based on what?

For all players or just those “expected” to make it in the NBA?

Guaranteed by whom? The government? The NCAA? UK?

If I were a bank, I would not loan Bledsoe money based upon the assumption that he will one day be a first round pick. If his stock is falling, and given his mental demeanor during games this year, I think that has yet to be established.

by JackBluto on Apr 26, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didnt say it made sense.....lol......

I just hate to see a good kid end up in a lousy situation like this is all…..it is more than disappointing…..and I dont have a care either way if he comes back to help us, I just think that coming back will help him.

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 27, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bledsoe needs consistency

How many 6-1 players are there in the NBA? I know he’s quick, has great speed and can leap like
Superman, but there are scores of NBAers 6-4 to 6-8 with great athleticism. How many of the 6-1 players in the NBA got there at age 19? In the NBA, a 6-1 guy has to be somewhere between very good and great 9 games out of 10 (like John Wall — at 6-4 — did).

Bledsoe was somewhere between very good and great in about 3 out of 10 games as a college freshman. He needs to return, take over the team and show that he can perform consistently at a high level.

The NBA doesn’t select players on the basis of their families’ need for money. Eric can serve his family better by coming back to UK for one more year.

by Fortunatus on Apr 26, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the Thornton kid??

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I think he's a contingency

He’s a three-star, not a top-100 player. I don’t Cal would go after him hard unless he strikes out on Jones and Leslie.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 26, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

hard to believe those kinds of players are not high on our radar anymore....lol....

but from what film I have seen (which isnt much…..although there is a new one today on KSR) I think the kid could be a profect player……he is light years ahead of the kid that UL just signed…..

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

profect=project.....good grief

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but do we want to use U of L as a yardstick :)

 I don’t know much about the kid, but he was Mr. BB in Georgia, and Georgia has good high school bb, and has been very good to UK over the years. So who knows.

To be honest, even if Cal gets Jones or Leslie, or both, I’d wouldn’t mind seeing the Thornton kid come to UK, if only to add depth to the upcoming team, and teams beyond.

Can Cal get a mulligan on Matt Pilgrim. I like his game a helluva lot.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 26, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

sure he can get one, we dont know for sure that it was his game that sent him packing....

but that is an old story.

I would love to see them ALL here…..

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Georgia is LOADED in basketball talent.

Check any of the rating services and you see a ton of Georgia players.

Seriously. I have not seen this kid play, but he has scholarship offers from several SEC and ACC schools once he pulled out of Clemson. He is likely a 3-4 year player (something we need I think). I would like to see us get him.

by JackBluto on Apr 26, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree Ken-

I was really impressed with Pilgrim every time I saw him play. His size and strength would have been nice to have off the bench. I just have to wonder would he have minded comming off the bench? We need Jones and Leslie. Could be a contender again if we get them. I think you can never have too many good players…

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Apr 26, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ditto.

It would have been nice to have Pilgrim for the upcoming season. He may not be Patterson or Cousins, but he is a very good player.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Apr 27, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

No criticism of Pilgrim intended but...

… he was not a starter at OSU under Travis last year. Yes, he would bring depth and has some skills. Still, I think his legend is valued more highly than his actual performance.

by JackBluto on Apr 27, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well ...

I do my best not to make a comment on a kid based on “legend.”

He started 13 of 30 games, and most of the second half of the year. He averagd 8.2 ppg, and 6.7 rpg in an average of 18.2 minutes per game. He also led the team in rebounds in 7 of the final 12 games. And, oh by the way, he shot 67% from the field.

So could next year’s UK team use a 6-8 235 lb banger who can shoot the ball and rebound with a vengeance?

by Ken Howlett on Apr 28, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly Top 100

And Mr. Basketball in Georgia this year.

Rated Top 50-75 range.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds pretty good to me, but maybe he is not the perfect fit for Cal's system, I dont know

I would like to see more on the kid, but I have not seen anything negative at all….

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 26, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thornton

Here’s a link to a blog entry from the AJC about Thornton and his recruitment.

BTW, he’s not listed among the Rivals top 150, nor Scout.com’s top-100, if one cares about such things.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 26, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They Haven't Been Updated

Thornton had great Sr year and earned Mr. B-ball accolade.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 26, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's more than a contingency.

Calipari intends to get him.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Apr 28, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sheesh....cry me a river.

Seriously though. if he does get the 2/3, UK will potentially find themselves in the same situation next year (…yea, I know about the NBA thing and I know about the early commitments…but they could change their mind, right?).

No doubt Cal can recruit, but this strategy has put him and the program under big-time recruiting pressure to refill each year. It is interesting to watch.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Apr 26, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, it all depends on how they develop in year one.

A Catch-22 actually.

If they don’t develop quickly, we likely don’t compete for a final four, but more of them likely come back making us stronger in the future.

If they do develop quickly, then we make a run for a title, but lose more of the freshmen.

Knight, Katner and Jones/Leslie are potential 1 and dones I suppose. But this year we only thought Wall and Cuz were potential 1 and dones.

FWIW, NBADRAFT.NET has Katner (#2) and Knight (#4) and no other UK player or recruit as projected lottery next year (I think).

by JackBluto on Apr 26, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

what about

that kid that wants to transfer from UL?

by bigbill992001 on Apr 26, 2010 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

You may be referring to Michael Chandler, who gave UL a verbal commit

He has of course re-opened his recruitment, and UK is one of his suitors, although I think him ending up at UK is a very long shot.

RP did pick up a nice player in Dieng (6-10 or so) today. I’ve read lots of great things about him.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 26, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is all defense.

He has work to do on the offensive skill set. But he mixes it up and gets boards and blocks.

by JackBluto on Apr 27, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure

All I know about him is that he’s the #2 big man in the ‘11 class, and a top 15 player. It’s not unusual for a big man, especially one who hasn’t played his senior season yet, to be behind his smaller brethren in development. Which leads to many people who have no clue as to what they are talking about, bad-mouthing the kid, or belittling his game.

In this case, I’ll take the word of the scouts and those paid to evaluate players. If one looks back over the last 10-12 years of player rankings, a very high percentage of the top15-20 guys each year turn out to be very good to great college players, or pros.

by Ken Howlett on Apr 28, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

A winning combo

Players who can play defense.

Players who can put the ball on the floor and get to the rim.

Players who can crash the offensive board.

Players who can run the DDMO.

Miller, Liggins, Harrellson, Hood, Kanter, Knight, Poole, Lamb can probably get it done. If Bledsoe and Dodson return, we’ll be hell on wheels by January.

by Fortunatus on Apr 26, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Leslie A Lock For Calipari

So says ESPN RISE — but expect him to be “last of the Mohicans” in announcing.

"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." --James Madison

by Wild Weasel on Apr 27, 2010 7:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Is Orton the Key? Are they waiting to see if Orton stays in?

I kinda think Orton will stay in … but I sure would like to see him in blue next year.

by ukcris on Apr 27, 2010 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Theres plenty of adequate players right here

Not every one plays AAu ball. I saw the West Jessamine Kid at City County park, more than holding his own against Vince Bingham, Paul Bingham, Mark Edwards, Eason, and some other real players(The Binghams played at Transy) ,all grown men. I don’t know why he would not be able to contribute in some way at UK; we need warm bodies at this point.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 29, 2010 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Rivals Updated Top 150 List Out Today

Enes kanter #3

Brandon Knight #6

Doron Lamb #21

Stacey Poole #33

And counting.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 29, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Did Selby move to #1?

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Apr 29, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

But Harrison Barnes should be #1.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 29, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

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