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The Big Blue Daily Mail -- Spring Shakeout Edition

Lots of stuff going on around the basketball and football world at this moment.  Talk of Big Ten expansion, talk of a conference arms race, NCAA investigations, endless coaching searches, waiting for more UK basketball commitments, football heading toward the spring game and a partridge in a pear tree.

More after the jump.

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This is the part of the off-season that I hate most.....

of course it happens during the season as well, but when people start yaking pot shots at us just because they are bored, it must be off-season…..That kid’s father out in ‘Zona has got his head buried in the sand so far his athlete’s foot is being aggravated by it.

I, like you Tru, am waiting for all of the outrage for Selby, on both fronts….UT AND the world…..

If the Big Ten becomes the next “Super-Conference” we have to make a move in the SEC…..something must be done to keep us in the mix of things for these overgrown leagues they are forming all over the country. If they are going to do this, then why not just make all of the conferences that way…..this is going to become a whole other war of the “haves and have nots”.

I swear I do not understand the Oregon situation……is it so bad up there that no one wants to go at all?? Surely there is some really hungry coach out there just dying to prove themselves??

Glad to see Singler go back to Duke…..now we only have 350 lottery picks out there for 30 teams……

Clark Kellogg is just spewing what his employer wants to hear….which is what he is best at.

Jeff Capel might need iron underwear before these next couple years are over….

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2010 9:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Top 25 Recruits (Vaught Article)

Calipari has now signed Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Kanter, Knight, Lamb – that’s 6 in 2 years. That is consistent with Joe Hall’s recruiting in 1970’s and 80’s or Eddie Sutton’s recruits in 1980’s, although Sutton paid good $$$ for some of those recruits.

Pitino (for example) only signed 7 such recruits in 8 years at UK – Mashburn, Delk, Rhodes, McCarty, Walker, Mercer, Turner.

Tubby (again EG) signed 8 such recruits in 10 years at UK – Prince, Bogans, Stone, Parker, Carruth, Morris, Crawford, Rondo.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 20, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

A few of the Hall top 25 were a bust, but he signed a bunch of them.

Among Pitino’s 7, the easiest to criticize was Rhodes, but he was very good in stretches.

Among Tubby’s, several were busts: Stone, Carruth and Morris and/or Parker (arguably). And that is out of only 8. Parker was actually very good and effective as a frosh and I thought he would be a big time player for us one day, but he left after only one year never to be heard from again.

by JackBluto on Apr 20, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best recruiting Pitino ever did was of JC players

Heshimu Evans comes to mind immediately

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 20, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Travis Ford

There’s a PG for you.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 20, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitino Took 4 Div I Transfers

Ford in 1990, Pope in 1993, Anderson in 1994, and Evans in 1996.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't there a guy named Knight that he brought in?

Or was that Tubby?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tubby Signed Nate Knight In 1999

After John Stewart died. Knight was not a target but a late replacement.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 20, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Evans NOT A JuCo

He transferred from Div I Manhattan.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missed The Point (Again)

Calipari is a BETTER RECRUITER of 5 Star (Top 25) players than EITHER Pitino or Tubby.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just fine with all of this offseason hoopla until I got my LExy message from Cal this morning, and he pointed out that

we have to replace 70 pts and 34 rebounds a game……

I am now officially sweating again…..

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 20, 2010 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Tru, you have never spoken word that were more true than this:
Conspiracy theories are for losers.

That goes for all areas of life.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel
is just a freight train coming your way.

by btcoop71 on Apr 20, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Apr 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is exactly what Keyser Soze and World Wide Wes want you to believe.

Who is World Wide Wes? He is supposed to be Turkish. Some say his father was German. Nobody believed he was real. Nobody ever saw him or knew anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear the Loser Basketball Teams tell it, anybody could have worked for WWW. You never knew. That was his power. The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist. And like that, poof. He’s gone.

by JackBluto on Apr 20, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

"The Usual Suspects" was an awesome movie.

I wouldn’t say that I’m usually genuinely surprised when watching movies, but the ending of that one totally shocked me and I love it when a movie can do that. It was enjoyable the first time you watched it, and even more enjoyable the second time around. Very mysterious and fabulous, that movie.

by BigSkyCat on Apr 20, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

If anyone here hasn’t seen it – rent it. Kevin Spacey is incredible.( Also recommend K-Pax.)

by hoboat33 on Apr 20, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was kind of glad that Selby went to a school other than UK ...

All of our recruits to this point, seem to be good kids with good attitudes … team chemistry means alot … we’ve all seen how a problem player can poison a team (Carruth). Not saying that Selby is that kiindof a kid …. I just like the attitudes of our recruits ….

by ukcris on Apr 20, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

But its also the exact same things KU fans are saying right now too.

“We didn’t want Knight anyways.”

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 21, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Selby And Momma Interview

Heard KLWN (Lawrence) interview with Josh and Maeshon and came away with a whole different POV. She’s one bright lady who’s very well informed.

"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom" - Hayek

by Wild Weasel on Apr 21, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just haven't heard something along the lines of an Eric Bledsoe type comment from him ...

LIke he just wanted to come in and contribute and didn’t mind sharing playing time with another very good point guard (JW) .. or playing at the two spot if another point was already committed (Knight). I’m sure he’s a good kid and he’ll be great for Kansas

by ukcris on Apr 21, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing new.

Some people say UK. Some say the Dirty Birds. I have no clue.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Apr 20, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Supposed to know on Thursday I believe

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 20, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like the offseason is a thrill a minute

When we calm down; can anyone see us having 4 to 5 walk-ons just to fill the practice squad? Our depth for 2010-11 looks very shallow.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 20, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Really glad to

see Brian Adams is going to be back after a bad health scare. He’s going to have a major impact.

by hoboat33 on Apr 20, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions  

For Those Wondering > Hall And Sutton Top 25 Recruits

Hall – 0 in 1972. 0 in 1973.

Givens and Robey in 1974. Willoughby and Foschi in 1975. Williams, Shidler, and Macy in1976.

0 in 1977.

Anderson, Tillman, and Verderber in 1978. Bowie, Hord, Minniefield, and Hurt in 1979. Bearup and Master in 1980.

0 in 1981.

Walker and Harden in 1982. Bennett and Blackmon in 1983. Davender, Madison, and Jenkins in 1984. Thomas in 1985.

Total of 24 in 14 years.

Sutton – Chapman in 1986. Manuel and Ellis in 1987. Mills and Kemp in 1988.

Then 0 in 1989.

Total of 5 in 4 years.

Calipari trumps all of them.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 20, 2010 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Lots of underperformers

Several may have been top 25 in the ratings, but they didn’t contribute much to the program.

Pitino’s picks appear to be the most productive; Tubby was 5 of 8. Both had mostly 2-4 year players.

Cal’s top 25ers seem to offer more. Are the ratings better now? Are the players better? Has the game changed? Is Cal a better judge of talent/character? A better teacher?

Or will we eventually see a reversion to the mean?

by Fortunatus on Apr 20, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a thought

The younger players are better. They are better developed,stronger and been exposed to more playing. Most play more today what with AAU,school than they used to. Exposure is better from internet,TV and the world is smaller now. All the good players are now known by coaches.

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Apr 20, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

but RP had a lot of great palyers

by bigbill992001 on Apr 21, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rick Pitino better at assessing players who are not 5 star

Tubby and Pitino both did a fine job developing players. Tubby was particularly adept at developing big guys; which is odd considering his teams consistently froze out the post.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 21, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tubby better at developing big guys

I’m not meaning to start a debate…

But could you elaborate? I’m not sure I can think of what you mean. Unless you are talking about getting more from undersized guys like Chuck Hayes.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 21, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

How about Shageri Allene?

This guy could not walk and chew bubble gum at one time, he shaped up into a passable ballplayer. Marquis Estill went from an afterthought to a very dangerous post presence. Just 2, there is more…How about Daniels? A 6’7" post guy that actually was effective? Just the attitude adjustment of Daniels deserved a COY award.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 21, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that your post is the first time I have ever heard

Shagari Allene referred to as a passable ballplayer. He was over 7 feet tall and was a perpetual backup behind another great light and start for UK, the big Polish stud, Woo. Oh, and neither of those guys, both over 7 feet tall, started. We started 6’7 and 6’9 in the post over them (or under them depending on your view).

by wklawdog on Apr 21, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's my memory too

Estill is a fair argument. The rest were undersized guys who played with a great motor like Daniels and Hayes.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Apr 21, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Passable, not a starter.

Allene was an imposing defensive presnce no matter how you slice it. He did gain value at UK, and I think the credit goes to coaching.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 21, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Imposing defensive presence" that "did gain value".

He was 7-3 and had 40 blocks in 73 games over a three year period. In his best season (his sophmore year), he averaged 9 minutes per game, 2.8 pts and 1.9 rebs. Those stats all went down his junior year and he transferred out to Manhatten for his senior year because he couldn’t crack the lineup.

This is not what I think of as either an imposing presence or as gaining value and hope that our coaching staff doesn’t think so either.

by wklawdog on Apr 21, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will have to agree to disagree

He was just a role player, but teams need that. This year, we will have 8-9 players total as it is now. We could use a warm body like that right now. Even if they never set foot on court.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 22, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

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