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The Ultimate In What-Ifs: Where Would We Be Without Cal?

OK, everyone has taken their pot-shots at UK for everything from circumventing the natural order of the NCAA to the beginning of the downfall of American civilization. So, let's just send the man packing. Get rid of him while we can. Or better yet, let's just turn back the clock and never hire him. Where would that get us? Well, sports-fans, let's just see.

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Mtich Barnhart and Lee Todd decide shortly after the UK loss to Notre Dame in last year's NIT that something must be done. Gillispie is not getting the job done, because he has so much turmoil surrounding himself that he cannot handle this pressure cooker. The next day, after meeting with BCG Todd and Barnhart announce that he has been terminated and a search committee has been formed to replace him, and that they expect to make an announcement within 3 weeks.

The original set of interviewees are as follows, Calipari, Dixon, Wright, Few, Alford, Pelphrey, Ford,Williams,Self, O'Brien, Gregory, Gottfried,Krzyzewski, Donovan, Matta, Boeheim, Izzo, and Martin.

After listening to all of the criticisms of each candidate from the internet, popularity polls and media pundits, the search committee rules out each of the following:

Calipari- Too hot.....might bring unnecessary attention to the school, and uses too many players that might not be within guidelines, we dont need the kind of scrutiny he brings to the table

Dixon- Problematic, does not have a lot of experience, and doesnt even know who Adolph Rupp is.

Wright- Again, not enough experience, has not won enough to know what its like

Few- Wants to play California ball...not sure what to do after the elite 8 in the tournament

Alford-  Too caustic......attention hog....control freak......could not keep him in line

Pelphrey-Would love to hire him, as soon as he proves he can win

Ford- See above

Williams- Will only come to Kentucky if he gets complete control over who comes to the games and sits where.....alumni assoc says noooo......

Self- Wants the job, agrees to terms, but is too much like Calipari.....recruits these "one and done" types, wants to win so badly he will bring anything he can use to the table.....just too iffy.

O'Brien- Just not Kentucky Material

Gregory- Too Green

Donovan- Wife says no.....and no....and no.....

Matta- In final group of 3 to hire

Gottfried- Also in final group of three

Boeheim- Too Old.....only wants 2 yr contract with 2 yr option

Izzo- Final 3

Krzyzewski- Committee cannot bring themselves to hire him......and he wants 10M annually to leave Duke

Martin-Actually scares the committee into not hiring him in the interview.

 

So, we have a group of 3 who present no dangers of causing any trouble, no reasons for anyone to hate them or us, and no one who presents a threat to the establishment of the NCAA.

 

Tom Izzo, Thad Matta, and Mark Gottfried,  all capable candidates all controversy free.

Izzo has a change of heart at the last minute and decides to stay at MSU. Matta and Gottfried are head to head until someone on the search committee finds out that Matta wants to bring all of his staff with him, and one of the members of his staff had an NCAA violation in 1988 for giving a meal to a recruit that was not reported.

So, we hire Mark Gottfried.

Upon hearing this, 6 UK players transfer to other schools. Patrick Patterson goes pro, and Gottfried goes recruiting. He lands 3 top 100 recruits, 2 juco transfers, and 2 walkons. UK has a less than stellar year, but is competitive. They lose 7 SEC games, and end up in 4th place in the SEC East, and get to the semi-finals of the SEC Tourney. They are then selected for the NIT for a 2nd straight year where they defeat NC for the NIT championship and Mark Gottfried gets his first banner for UK.

We have zero controversies all year long, UK spends another year of mediocrity and no one is offended by anything we do. Critics state that UK's reign in the SEC is finally over for good and everyone, except for the millions of those in the BBN is tickled pink.

By the way, Memphis wins the NCAA Tourney, and is awarded the Trophy 2 weeks after their wins for last year are vacated by the NCAA.......but no one seems to be able to remember why that happened............

So folks, I put it to you. Which way do you REALLY want it????

 

Think about that the next time you hear the phrase "one and done". And then chuckle to yourself under your breath.

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ABC

I accused you of drinking before. Now it seems you are sniffing the vanilla extract. I liked your article even though it was far out. If you keep up this fiction you will lose all your credibility on the board.:-)

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat73 on Apr 11, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

See why I don't care for what-ifs

One never knows how they would turn out. ;-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Apr 11, 2010 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

There hasnt been this much second guessing since the Portland Trail Blazers took Bowie over Jordan.....

and you see how well that turned out???…..;-)

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 11, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of that Meatloaf song from "Rocky Horror"

“I sold my soul, to rock ’n roll”…..

Since we’re playing “what if”, what if you win the National Championship next year and it gets yanked the following year?

Just messin’ with ya.

by RhinoDawg on Apr 11, 2010 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

In my "what if", you win it!

Here’s a brief story you might find interesting:

For over 30 years, the UW football program was one of the best in the country. In 1992, the NCAA made an example of them, handing down the death penalty for what was mostly minor violations (other than the $50k loan to Billie Joe Hobert of course). The program wallowed in mediocrity for nearly 10 years, until one day, along came Rick Neuheisel. A year or two later, we beat Purdue in the Rose Bowl and ended the season 11-1, ranked 3rd in the nation. Life was FINALLY back to normal!

Oh sure, UW took a ton of heat for rallying behind their coach. “Tricky Ricky”, they said. Accusations of unethical recruiting, the whole nine yards. PRIME TIME PROGRAM trumps all that hooey! Or does it?

Finally, Ricky took it too far. He disgraced the university and disgraced himself. So there’s the dilemma; nobody wanted to give up the success! But you know what? Once he was gone it was like taking a long, hot shower after working in a dusty, 95 degree sweat box all day. Like, we didn’t know how dirty we were until the shower, get it? As you know, UW took their lumps and now we’re 2-3 years from life at the top – but this time, it FEELS GOOD.

Therefore, my “WHAT IF….” How will you feel if you’re Calipari’s third strike? Would it be worth it? WHAT IF.

by RhinoDawg on Apr 11, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calipari Has 0 NCAA Violations

The UMass issue involved Camby signing with an agent.

The Memphis issue involved Rose and a test score that NCAA had APPROVED.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 12, 2010 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya gotta have 2 strikes before you can get three......

Calipari has ZERO violations on HIS record……maybe you should check with the compliance dept at the NCAA……they seem to be the ones who cannot get their act together.

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 12, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

ABC

This is your post but I don’t like these same day wonders spouting off here! I guess Tru hasn’t seen it yet.

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat73 on Apr 12, 2010 3:00 AM EDT reply actions  

What If

Gale Catlett had gotten the UK job in 1972 as Rupp recommended.

Gene Bartow had gotten the UK job in 1985 (after Lute Olson reneged).

PJ Carlesimo had accepted the UK job in 1989 after Pitino declined (originally).

Ralph Willard had gotten the UK job in 1997 as Pitino recommended.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 12, 2010 6:48 AM EDT reply actions  

none of those sound a whole lot better there Forty......hehehe

I do have to confess though, my knowledge of Catlett is limited……I had no idea that Rupp recommended someone other than Hall….

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 12, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Point Was

What Iffing is interesting but nothing more.

What If Uk had hired its first choice in 1930 instead of Rupp, who was second choice but willing to work for lower salary?

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 12, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, again, my post was meant more to make the point that all of this second guessing

is completely unwarranted at this point…..

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 12, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine, Too

What Iffing is a pretty useless process.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 12, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if we hired Dan Issel?

A long term solution that would not involve NCAA stains.
The first name I would have considered with Pat Riley second.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 13, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry But Not A Good Choice

Issel never coached in college. Today’s players have no idea who he is.

Riley not much better. Big difference coaching college and pros. Riley never coached at college level.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 13, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Issel would be an excellent coice

He already proved he could coach average talent to a playoff level. Recruiting could be an early issue, but Pitino proved a pro coach can recruit. As far as Riley; come on, any high school recruit would love to play for a winner like that. He surely learned a thing or two about coaching under the thumb of Adolph Rupp. Just a fantasy anyway, but to my mind, no other candidates come close either as a game coach (Issel) , or a big name, (Riley).

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 14, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

To Each His / Her Own But I Disagree

Pitino had college coaching experience (13 years) before he came to UK.

HS recruits in 2010 have no awareness of Issel and little knowledge of Riley.

by FortyYearCatFan on Apr 14, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 and dones definitely know who Riley is

The President of the Miami Heat. If they don’t know now, they will when they are standing in front of him with their agent.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Apr 15, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Explain something.
How did an unknown coach at a 4200 student school get to the final four and the finals of the tournament? Before is over it may be shown that bringing in four or five super players isn’t as advantagious as building a team from the ground up.
We looked good this year. We got to the last eight teams standing. With a SUPER recruiting class. That class didn’t win it all. And we aren’t going to recruit the SUPER type class every year. Seems Duke does OK with the players would want to stay and develop. Not to mention the little guys from Indiana.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Apr 16, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Did I Mention Anomaly?

Butler did it the same way Villanova won championship in ’85 and George Mason made it to The Final Four in ’06 — anomalously.

Essentially Calipari did build the 2009-10 Wildcats from ground up — anomalously.

Duke does OK because Duke does have a (not the) top class nearly every year, just not talented enough to be one and done — thus not anomalous.

Attempting to establish rules by citing exceptions is not only imprudent it’s irrational.

"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom" - Hayek

by Wild Weasel on Apr 16, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Duke – not talented enough to to a one and done, but talented enough to win the championship.
I’m not trying to establish any rules.
I believe the trip we just finished with tast year’s recruiting class, although remarkable is not likely to assure us a national championship.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Apr 16, 2010 10:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Paris, when you find out what assures us a National Championship please let the rest of the world

know…..there are a lot of people out there who would pay a lot of money for that information…..A LOT!!!

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 17, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seems the closest we are getting right now is in the form of the weasel faced guy in the ACC. That conference seems to be the ‘holy land’ for a while.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Apr 17, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

But doesn’t it seem he’s getting to grab the brass ring a little more often that the rest?

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Apr 17, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

not really, when you look at the length of his tenure at Duke, combined with the fact that he always seems to have

great talent……I am no fan of his, but the man can coach……there is no argument there

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Apr 17, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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