Who Is/Was The Best Kentucky Point Guard?
by ParisGuy on Mar 5, 2010 11:53 AM EST
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Kentucky has had a few pretty good ones. Tell us who you think was the most productive.
Remember the word "productive. Got the job done. Not the flashiest, but could control a game and made others looks better because of their efforts.
I know we all can think of a bunch who led the Cats to great seasons, National Championships, or near misses. A few teams had point guards that weren't great scorers but contributed in other ways that made the team contenders.
Rupp had many, so did Hall. Sutton, Gillispie?
Its all opinions, nothing more.
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I'd have to vote with you ro...
Everybody growing up during Macy’s time wanted to be just like him! LOL Even down to the FT routine… I used to call Wayne Turner “Spaz” because, at times, he seemed so spastic!! But, you can’t argue with his results!
If your wings don't sweep....
Ha !! I'll bet Kyle has more kids named after him than Wayne does
With that said though, I don’t have a particular favorite. :-)
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LOL Yeah, probably true...
Not alot to do in KY in the wintertime except watch hoops and… Ummm, cardio-vascular exercises! :-)
If your wings don't sweep....
My brother is named after Kyle Macy
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
A lot of different answers to that question
If you go by winning NCAA tournament games you’d have to go with Wayne Turner. If you go by a ratio of who did the most “good things”, while minimizing the “bad things” I’d have to go with Kyle Macy, albeit he’s not my favorite UK point guard. If I went by sheer likability I’d go with Tony Delk.
That may require a definition of "point guard" then
Because Delk primarily played shooting guard IIRC. Ford and then Epps handled most of the point duties to my recollection.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Ford Started PG In 1993 And 1994
Epps started PG in 1996.
Sheppard started PG in 1995.
Delk rarely played PG.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Wow!!!....this one may really bring out some interesting discussion......
My vote is Rondo, and it wont be popular, for the same reasons that Wall wont be a popular vote in these circumstances, but Rondo was far ahead of the guys he played with and it hurt his stats somewhat.
1) Rondo
2) Turner
3) Macy
4) Wall (interchangeable with Macy)
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Ralph Beard
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WW
very good choice!
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No doubt!!
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Easy question -- there should be no debate...
The top 2 were…
1. Sean Sutton
2. Saul Smith
Ok, seriously, who was the best during his time at UK (NOT considering achievements after he left UK)?
1. Turner
2. Macy
3. Wall (Wall moves to #1 or #2 if we win NC #8 this year, depending on the size of his role in the postseason)
Honorable Mention: Beal, Minniefield, Hawkins
Saul Or Sean
Saul was 110-33 with 1 NC, 3 SEC, 3 SECT won in 4 years.
Sean was 40-25 with 0 NC, 0 SEC, 1 SECT won in 2 years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Beard's Achievements At UK (1946-49)
2 NCAA and 1 NIT championships. Olympic Gold Medal. NIT runner-up.
Undefeated in SEC and SECT at UK. 4 straight SEC and SECT championships.
4-time All-SEC and 3-time A-A.
130-10 record at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
That pretty much says it, doesn't it? Gotta look all the way back to find the "all-time".
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Paris
You can’t separate most liked from “most productive” Some of our most productive were from the Rupp days. Not very many now days saw them play. Not many of us back then saw them play, as no tv. We only had the pictures from Claude Sullivan and Cawood. This was before the shot clock, when you could hold the ball and dribbling was of the utmost. Also no 3 point shot. Some of our best point guards player back then. Go Cats!
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point well taken.....as the game has changed so have the players
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I compared the numbers
And in terms of assist/to ratio, and percentage of plays inluenced(ie: all trackable stats per minute), Macy is hard to argue with in any era. The fact that Turnerplayed in 3 nc’s, started 2 as the Point at UK makes him tough in any era also.
"all the way"
Beard > Cousy
Most of us have seen Cousy play (in 1960’s).
Beard > Cousy.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Forty
Both could dribble. No player today can dribble! They should be called for “palming” They all carry the ball.
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Again forty
You forget how young our group is. The 1960,s was 40 to 50 years ago! Most of our friends were not even born much less watching basketball.
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I Guess
But Beard > Cousy.
Not just my opinion. Aty my father-in-law’s 80th birthday party (a few years ago) Arnie Ferrin opined that also.
Vaughn played with Ferrin at Utah in 1944 but went into the Army.
Ferrin also opined that Alex Groza was the big big man he ever faced, better than George Mikan or Bob Kurland.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Forty
Early in my work life. I worked with Joe Fulks. Who had a great pro career. He showed a lot of film from that era. It was great stuff. Joe was credited with starting the jump shot.
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players with fundamentals are no longer wanted
Scouts figure if you have to do that, you are not good enough. Same thing with staying 4 years. The scouts think it is because you will never be ready for NBA. We are having college kids prepare for a game that is not played at the next level.
"all the way"
"Most" have seen Cousy?
I think you may have an incorrect impression of the demographic here.
I was born in 1978. A lot of folks that post here are significantly younger than that.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Seen On TV, Not Necessarily In Person
Although I did see him in person against Cincy Royals in 1960’s.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Best For Each Coach
Rupp = Ralph Beard.
Hall = Kyle Macy. (Hon Ment = Dirk Minniefield)
Sutton = Roger Harden.
Pitino = Anthony Epps.
Tubby = Wayne Turner. (Hon Ment = Rajon Rondo)
Billy G = Ramel Bradley.
Calipari = John Wall.
That is actually a great way to show the position.....
Here is a question for you Forty, given the state of today’s game, will Wall be the best that Calipari will ever have at the position??
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ABC
Not trying to answer for Forty but,NO! He can’t even carry either player that left Memphis water!
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Derrick Rose
Is better NOW but Wall can get better.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
If Wall stayed 2 more years
He gets the experience, disciline, maturity, and just plain playing time it takes to make better decisions as a point guard. As it is now, his assist/tp ratio horrid in comparison to Macy(2.60 to1) or Turner(1.93 to 1).
"all the way"
Well done 40!
I like the way you broke that out… Kinda hijacked Paris’ thought process, but that’s a very fair and reasonable way to break it down.
If your wings don't sweep....
John Wall
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 5, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions
Highjacked? WOW, all I did was ask who was the most productive point guard in Kentucky basketball history. Who made their team mates a better play by being on the court with them? Dan Issel was great but would he have been with out Louie Dampier? Probably., Who fed it to Kenny Walker? Who got the ball down the court and ran the offenses the best?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Beard To All Of These
No better PG (and maybe no better guard, period) in UK annals.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Dan Issel Never Played With Louie Dampier So YES
Dirk Minniefield and Roger Harden were PG for Walker.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Oopppssss....
I’d forgotten that you mentioned all the coaches up top when I said “hijack” earlier. My bad…
If your wings don't sweep....
Could Kyle Macy run this Kentucky offense? Wayne Turner? Why not? Don’t tell me its too fast. I’ve seen a lot of ‘fast’ end up throwing the ball away or putting up a prayer.
Can you imagine how good Cousins or Paterson, or Mashburn and others would have been with someone like Macy on the floor?
Thinking, in my opinion, is a big part of being a good point guard. Running the offense. Not just running.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
by ParisGuy on Mar 5, 2010 1:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So John Wall doesn't think, and Macy did?
Just askin’.
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Nice try!
I believe Joe B, Hall refered to Macy as a ‘coach on the floor’.
Has Cal made the same statement about Wall?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
yes he has.....just recently as a matter of fact.....Cal said he was asking a huge
task of Wall making him guide the team from the floor…..at his age telling guys that were older and more experienced was not an easy task.
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Youre right Paris, but Wall suffers from the same fate as Rondo did while he was here
to a certain extent. Some of the guys he plays with are just not near as fast as he is, and cannot react as quickly. Wall is a “break you down” type of guard. It is simply a different way of playing. Macy could pass his way out of prison, but he couldnt stay on the floor to guard Wall on his best day. He just was not that fast. But he was extremely accurate.
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Macy guarded established NBA talent well
In a one on one day. I don’t see Wall beating defensive spacing and positionig
"all the way"
If you work it out, since 1979 ...
… averaging several measures available on Jon Scott’s site, the hierarchy works out like this:
- John Wall
- Rajon Rondo
- Anthony Epps
- Dirk Minnefield
- Wayne Turner
- Travis Ford
- Ed Davender
- Sean Woods
- Cliff Hawkins
Of course, this doesn’t account for things like career length, injury, etc. It really is a calculation based purely on the stats they accumulate as a Wildcat. I also took a liberty with one of the ratings to make it scale properly, but that should make no difference as to the result.
The rating for players prior to 1979 isn’t available, so I can’t tell you where Macy would wind up without doing the calculations for him manually, and I don’t have time for that right now.
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Macy's to/assist ratio nearly twice as good as Wall 2.60 to 1.53
It is not the PG’s role to electrify the crowd; he is out there to make the decisions that win the game. In that regard, that list would flip: IE Wayne Turner’s to/assist ratio better than wall’s, also, TO per 40 mins lower.
"all the way"
Yeah.
That’s true, but that hardly makes the case, at least in isolation.
Not everybody agrees about what a point guard should be. Wall may turn it over more, but he arguably makes more plays that result in points than Macy did.
I’m not saying Macy wasn’t better, I’m just saying that A/T is not the only measure of a PG’s mettle. It’s tough to compare eras too, and Macy was pre-3 point shot player, as was two years of Davender’s career. That’s got to make a difference as well.
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I will make one statement about the 2 of them.
In a one-on-one game, Kyle would be left standing holding his shorts, because Wall would have his shoes, jersey, and the ball and be gone before Macy knew it. He was a great guard because he didnt make any mistakes, or at least not enough to hurt you. But we saw Macy in his later college years. But on his best day, Macy is 2 steps slower than Wall, and it’s not even close.
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I happen to like how Andy Staples defines it
No other player in the nation can make a defense implode the way Wall can. Just as he did in AAU, he dribbles around the perimeter, hunting for a weak spot. As soon as he identifies it, he zips past the guards and into the lane. By now, at least three defenders are actively engaged in stopping Wall, which means at least two Kentucky players are wide open. Much of the time, Wall hits one of those open teammates for an easy basket. Other times, Wall just makes everyone in the opposing jersey look foolish.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/03/01/john.wall.poy/index.html#ixzz0hKx32MKU
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Macy shot the three in the pros with great effect at 23'9"
A stat exists on the statistics page with points per possesion, and Macy blows Wall away. It’s apples and oranges, though, as Wall is a scoring PG and Macy is a possesion PG.
"all the way"
What was the scoring average for the 1998 team compared to this one? And they didn’t have the 3 point shot did they?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
yes....1998 had the three.....as a matter of fact they won with it on several occasions
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Sorry, I meant 1978.
The ‘three’ didn’t start until 1986. I was wondering what the Macy, Robey, Phillips, etc. averaged in scoring compared to the current team.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
84 PPG (Off The Top Off My Head)
Likely closer to 90 PPG if 78 had 3-pt FG.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 7, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
You Get A Lot More Assists When Your (1978) Teammates Hit 54% FG
The Macy led teams were very good shooters, hence more assists for PG.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 5, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Or you get a better look when you get a better pass
for a real PG, a pass is not a “bail out” ,but an executed part of an offense. Macy delivered the ball to the right guy in a posittion to score.
"all the way"
You will find
talking to coaches. They find it hard to compare players from different teams, much less different eras. For that reason alone we will revert to our favorites.
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IN MY OPINION, I would rather have Kyle Macy running the team. With two minutes to go in a tied game, I would want Macy disecting the defense, directing the offense, getting the ball to the best place on the floor, and if fouled, the man at the line shooting the foul shots.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
If John Wall were a 3rd or 4th year player
your opinion might change. Just sayin’. I really don’t think you can compare a freshman PG and a senior PG. I’m just thinking what if, Paris. But we will never know the if, in this case. :-)
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I agree
By the time Wall is in the league several yrs, we will know more. 3yrs at UK and Wall is near Jordan-like when he goes to the NBA. Jordan, BTW, went pro as a Junior, and he was ready. He could easily have played one and done; but I think it seved him well to play three yrs for a great coach, just like 4yrs under Tubby were (IMHO) what turned Tayshaun Prince into the all around player he is.
"all the way"
Wayne Turner
If John Wall wins a title, then I put him there.
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Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
Ralph Beard
Won 3 titles – 2 NCAA and 1 NIT – plus Olympic Gold Medal.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 6, 2010 7:20 AM EST up reply actions
I'm just going by my lifetime
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
It is impossible to compare players from different eras but I would have to say....
Ralph Beard
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Never got to see Beard play-
But Kyle Macy was very, very good. It’s a different game now, but Rondo and of course J. Wall are both excepional. I wasn’t sure Rondo was ready for the pros when he left, and he has shown what he can do. Nobody doubts what J. Wall can accomplish at the next level…
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
Not that it means anything But-
Macy had 191 turn overs in three years
Wall has 117 so far this year.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Give Wall Phillips, Robey, and Givens to feed the ball, and he MIGHT not have so many.....
remember you have a freshman passing to freshmen……..I know they are talented freshmen, I just think they would be somethnig totally different in a couple years
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I don’t think we’ll ever find out
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
And that, Paris, my friend, is something on which we can ALL agree!! :-)
But when the sample size of candidates is so large, it’s nice to discuss. Thanks for bringing it up. It was fun reading all the comments.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
amen......but it is fun to remember just how many good ones we have had over the years
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Ralph Beard
I saw a potshot or two at Saul Smith, and I would like to say that Saul Smith was not a bad point guard. He caught a disproportionate amount of flak because he was the coach’s kid. Saul was a productive point guard who wasn’t the best, but he certainly wasn’t the worst either.
Porter was worse than him
And that is about it……
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
Porter "standard tendex rating" better than only
Standard Tendex Rating of Kentucky Players since 1979
(By Minute)
For more information about how these measures are calculated, please check this page.
Player Standard Tendex Rating : starting near the bottom of all UK players since ’79 With Tacket being worst UK player statistically by this measure:
Michael Porter .259
J. P. Blevins .257
Bernard Cote .253
Morakinyo Williams .19
Josh Carrier .185
Adam Chiles .143
Todd Tackett .140
"all the way"
Everyone else but Porter on that list rode the pine
And, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Chiles either quit or get kicked off teh team his freshman year?
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
I'm not judging them
just laying out the bad stats they all share. I was suprised that Sean Sutton was not the worst starting player statisticall since ’79 at UK. He was right very near Porter on the list at .34, with these guys in between him and Porter:
Paul Andrews .337
Chris Harrison .314
Myron Anthony .305
Brandon Stockton .3
"all the way"
Chiles Was Tossed After 2002 Season
Went to JuCo then Murray St.
Tossed from Murray, too.
Same issue(s) as at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Blevins?
Pitino said he was PG Of The Future at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Saul
Top 10 (or close) in steals and assists at UK.
110-33 in 4 years at UK.
1 NC, 3 SEC, and 3 SECT in 4 years at UK.
Not bad for second worst PG ever.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Starting with Sean Sutton at .34, these are the worst UK players since 1979 by the Standard Tendex Rating:
Paul Andrews .337
Chris Harrison .314
Myron Anthony .305
Brandon Stockton .3
Michael Porter .259
J. P. Blevins .257
Bernard Cote .253
Morakinyo Williams .19
Josh Carrier .185
Adam Chiles .143
Todd Tackett .140
"all the way"
Hard To Believe You Missed These
Johnathon Davis.
Aminu Timberlake.
Carlos Toomer.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Then Your Numbers Are Flawed
Johnathon Davis did next-2-nothing at UK.
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Davis_Johnathon.html
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
That's how bad Sean Sutton was.
That he would be ramked lower than that waste of oxygen.
"all the way"
Actually Sean Just Played 1 Year (1989)
That was UK’s worst team since the 1920’s.
Sutton had a decent career at Okla St.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2010 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
Very good eye!
Now that I re-read the list ,none of those guys were on there. Here is the link: http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/ratingtencareerminute.html
"all the way"
How about this coulda been UK team:
Patterson at .863, Josh Harrelson at .645, Jody Meeks at .631, Daniel Orton at .625, and Perry Stevenson at .612 All top 40 players production per minute wise. .675 average.
Our present starting five average out at .725
"all the way"
Incomplete List Then (Typical For Jon Scott)
Toomer played in 1991 and 1992.
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Toomer_Carlos.html
Timberlake played in 1992 and 1993.
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Timberlake_Aminu.html
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
No Oliver Simmons Either
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Simmons_Oliver.html Jon Scott seems to have left off some players from the 1990’s who were relatively ineffective.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 8, 2010 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
THANKS FOR THE POSITIVE COMMENTS
This had been fun and I agree the Cats have had more than their share of very good point guards..
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Thanks for posing the question.
The REAL answer, IMO, lies in your comment above. Basketball is played five on five, and the best point guards are not necessarily the best individual players, but the ones who make their team, and teammates, better.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Just for the record,
here’s my definition of a good point guard:
Shoots the ball well, inside, outside, and from the line, ‘cause sometimes the shooting guard is cold“Feels” the defense catching up to him when leading a fast break
-Dribbles the ball with his head up and his butt low, keeping control of his body and the ball
-Has excellent peripheral vision-can see movement through a 175 degree arc and can see the color of a uniform through a 165 degree arc
-Has exactly zero selfish bones in his body; only cares about whether the team wins or not
-When double/triple-teamed, knows and “feels” where the extra defender(s) came from and knows, without thinking, that someone in that area is open
-Knows, and does, what the coach wants
-Executes the fundamentals without flaw
—Dribbles low and well with either hand
—Passes the ball away from the defense and at the appropriate speed, whether it’s a lob or bullet
—Brushes the picker when executing the pick-and-roll (just had to get that in there)
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-Has enough speed and quickness to be a defensive asset vice a liability
-Can take over any position in the offense if he’s needed there
-Is totally merciless in breaking down the opposition’s defense
-Wins because of his leadership
-There’s probably more, but I forgot. At my age, that ’s acceptable
Pretty simple, isn’t it?
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Dammit, can't use bullet statements, and I forgot.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Kyle Macy, my personal favorite UK player, would probably
be a shooting guard in todays game. Could you imagine having him in that role on this team?
PG
Love JWall and wish he’d stay another yr. I didnt get to see Beard play, but cant ignore his results. Loved Delk but he wasnt really a PG. Kyle Macy?……..need I say more? Dont know that he was a PG but I liked Kevin Grevey too. But my all-time love goes out to Wayne Turner. Hell, that whole ‘96, ’97, ’98 group. Someone asked if they could shoot the 3? Tony Delk, Scott Padgett, Jeff Sheppard, Ron Mercer, Wayne Turner, Walter McCarthey, Cameron Mills, Antoine Walker. I’m sure I left a couple guys out and I apologize if I butchered the spellings. If memory serves me right, that ’98 team trailed every game of the NCAA tourney by 10+ at some point. So, yes, they had the 3.
Looks like we're about to be bumped
Thanks everyone for commenting and giving your opinion. Its been fun.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
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