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They little knew of brotherhood,
The faith of fighting men,
When once to prove their lie was good,
Hanged Colonel Jacques Chrétien.

 

Those of you familiar with the classic Dorsai science fiction series by Gordon R. Dickson will immediately recognize this quote from a song from the novella "Brothers."  The story is about the death of Dorsai Colonel Kensie Graeme and the subsequent actions of his identical twin brother, Ian. 

Kensie was warm, kind and beloved of his troops, and Ian was cold, analytical and feared.  Kensie was assassinated by radicals on the small agrarian world of St. Marie where the Dorsai had been hired to support the government's troops against rebels, and Ian's honor prevents the Dorsai mercenaries stationed there from submerging St. Marie in a bloodbath, a la Rochmont in the story of the song, to avenge Kensie.  Instead of unleashing the Dorsai upon the town and taking vengeance, Ian locates the guilty parties with the help of the local authorities and kills almost a dozen armed men with his bare hands.

To me, these words, "They little knew of brotherhood ..." speak of the true faith that was formed sometime in the season for this young Kentucky team.  You rarely see it in college basketball.  What you often see are conflicting large egos which cannot be contained or controlled, or cocky, arrogant hubris.

This Kentucky team exuded none of those things.  They were respectful, they answered all the media questions even in the face of bitter disappointment, and they never once misbehaved on campus or in the media.  Think about that for a moment.  How many lesser teams have we seen at Kentucky get into some kind of "incident?"  All to many, if you think about it.  How many times have we seen Kentucky coaches forced to discipline star players?  I can't count them all.  How many times have we seen, not just here, but elsewhere, prima donnas serving as examples to those who can't wait to find fault with college basketball?  Unfortunately, too many to name.

Star-divide

This Kentucky team played with a joy and a passion that will burn in the heart of Wildcats fans for a generation.  It may not have been the greatest team Kentucky ever fielded (although it was arguably the most talented), or the most impressive at crunch time.  But there was a cohesiveness and zest for success in these guys, not just on the court, but in the classroom.

Kentucky was widely reviled as a team of "one-and-dones," and representative of everything that is wrong with college basketball.  Yet the fact that they comported themselves in the highest tradition of college basketball players goes unnoticed and uncommented upon by anyone.  To be fair, of course, players are supposed to behave like young men and not animals, so in one sense, it's hard to blame anyone for not complimenting them for behaving like they are supposed to.  The biggest reason I mention it is because of all the pixels that have been spilled disparaging them, for which the young Wildcats gave exactly zero justification, on the court or off.

What I saw in these young men's eyes after the loss to West Virgina was a thing I have not seen at Kentucky in a long time -- genuine, heartfelt sadness, not at just losing the game, but the ending of something so rare and pure that they had all come to love it.  A kind of brotherhood, not unlike brothers-in-arms.  Their tears bespoke the depth of the friendships they had formed, tempered in the white-hot flames of invective, dishonest loathing and elitist disgust from their detractors, and intense athletic competition.

Unfortunately for them and for us, this wonderful season ended too soon, not because of any tragedy or misjudgment, but because this Kentucky team finally ran into a better, tougher, and more experienced basketball team in the West Virginia Mountaineers.  As much as we would like to believe otherwise, that is reality -- and reality bites.  Their brotherhood must now be dissolved, and even if all of them who could stay did, it would not be the same -- those that are leaving were a critical part of this team's chemistry.  That isn't to say that these young men could not be even better without Perry Stevenson, Ramon Harris and Mark Krebs, but this feeling, this brotherhood is now a matter for history.

But whenever a really great thing like this happens, it has repercussions.  In the case of Kentucky fans, it brought us together like no time since the Unforgettables.  It isn't quite as intense, of course, because the emotions surrounding that team in 1992 was driven by true despondency and shame, whereas when John Calipari took over this team, Kentucky fans were merely mired in misery and disappointment.  They are similar, but they are different because the circumstances and intensity of the emotions involved.

I hope you will all read this article by Aaron Torres, a Connecticut Huskies fan, who became interested in this Kentucky team after they went up and played UConn in Madison Square Garden.  One of my best friends sent me this piece, and I immediately wanted to share it with the rest of the Big Blue Nation who might not have had a chance to read it.

Apparently, some Kentucky fans were nice to Aaron (I know this will come as a surprise to the haters, but that is the rule, not the exception), and he was impressed by the level of support the Big Blue Nation provided at what he called a "seemingly meaningless, non-conference game."  Aaron manages, in an analytical, non-partisan way that is difficult for a passionate blue-blood fan like me to emulate, to expose some interesting and meaningful perceptions of the final game of Kentucky's season.  If you don't read anything else today, read this article.  I promise you, it will make you feel better.

Brotherhood.  It's a word that gets bandied about so much that it becomes meaningless.  But it meant something to these guys -- probably more than we will ever know.  But from the brotherhood of this Kentucky team, fans of the Big Blue around the world have found themselves again, as if mutually locating a quiet oasis in the middle of the desert of desire.  Hopefully, we can stay here a long time.

And for Kentucky's detractors?  They little knew of brotherhood ...

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I never expected to see a fitting Dorsai! reference anywhere,

much less on a basketball blog, but today is the day. Good work, Tru.

by mrmondaynite on Mar 30, 2010 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you.

“Brothers” was the first story I ever read about the Dorsai, but it wasn’t the last.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

"but because this Kentucky team finally ran into a better, tougher, and more experienced basketball team in the West Virginia Mountaineers."

They were better on THAT night. I do not believe they were better overall. I say if we played WV 5 times, we beat them 3.

I know that’s nitpicky, but I will not conceed that WV is BETTER than UK based upon that one game. They were the better team on Saturday night and that is when it mattered, but I just dont believe they are better overall.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 30, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Better, Not Necessarily

Tougher, I’d say so. More experienced, without a doubt.

Like it or not, Huggins has Calipari’s number (8 W in 9 games head-2-head).

But UK played and coached a terrible 2nd half versus WVU.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 30, 2010 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

By better ...

… I meant “as a team.” They were better as a team that night.

I would in no way argue that they were more talented. But being “better” in a single-elimination tournament only requires that you be better on one night. You only get one shot, and if you fail, you were not “better” in any meaningful way.

That’s where I was going with that.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

UK was better than IU that one day in March 1975 but not “better” as in More Talented.

The One & Done nature of NCAA tourney is what makes it great.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 30, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right.

Exactly right.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

If it was double elimination,

UK and KU would probably have met in the final. Alas!!

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Mar 30, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

reality

WV shot lights out from 3. Even the most ardent WV fan realizes they never shot that well before and probably never will again. Meanwhile UK was 0-20. No matter how talented you are, you’re not gonna beat those odds. Some will say that youth finally caught up with us. Maybe. But we had the same probs all yr. and were able to overcome them because we were so talented. Some will say the pressure of adversity in a big game got to us and the youth couldn’t handle it. Hey, we were down 19 at UT and came back to tie. Yes, we ended up losing that game due to the fact we didn’t execute the last 2:09 of that game, but my point is that we were mature enough to come back from 19 down AT UT. So, IMHO, we can throw that argument out the window. We UK fans have been privvy to a couple of truly interesting 1H of basketball the last 2 games. The game against Cornell has been very well articulated on this site. Think about that 1H and 30-6 just jumps out at you. I’m no Cornell fan and think that they were highly overrated in this tourney, but they WERE hot and on a roll. The media made them out to be awesome. Hell, I wondered why they weren’t a 1 seed………lol. But………….30-6? And only 16 pts the 1H for Cornell. Blows your mind. Then another 1H that was the antithesis of that game. WV didn’t miss a 3 while we were 0 for the 1st 20. Think about that. And it wasn’t like 1 or 2 guys got hot, the whole WV team was lights out. Even guys like Mazulla and Flowers chipped in. And many of their shots were contested. I remember Butler’s 1st 3. He got the ball and shot instantly………with our guy in his face………..swish. Fate, the basketball gods or whatever you wanna call it, conspired against us that night. A shooting display, and lack of it, like that will probably never be seen again. We just couldn’t overcome it. I don’t think any team this side of the NBA could have overcome it. Think about that……………0-20. You have to TRY to go 0-20………..lol. Hell, I haven’t touched a ball in 30 yrs. but I think I could make 1 in 20. Maybe Bledsoe should have saved some of those 3s for this game, huh? And, we had a lot of good luck in that game, too. WV is missing their starting PG and his backup has only 1 arm. JW misses so badly that he banks in a 3. The no-call on the over-and-back when JW ends up making a long 2. WV missed a wide open layup and dunk. There’s a 9 point turnaround right there. But we just couldn’t overcome that 1H. By all rights, we should have come out of that 1H with a nice lead. FATE? I guess so. To me, that 1H said it all. Did we have a mental hangover from the Cornell game? Maybe. God knows these kids hadn’t seen a media blitz like that before in their young lives. The hype in the week leading up to the Cornell game was hot and heavy. But, to me, it was all about that 1H against WV. We weren’t going to win that night.

by bigbill992001 on Mar 30, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for sharing the UCONN article

It’s not often that you come across an “outsider” who gets it. That article sums up so many of the emotions experienced during the season. You can tell he watched more than a few Kentucky games.

by cthom on Mar 30, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Most welcome.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is why I love ASOB

Where else am I going to read a post that references Dickson AND Kentucky basketball.

On a side note, are you going to provide a pre-game analysis for our Hoops team?

by Strangeite on Mar 30, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Well ...

… I’m not sure I’m qualified. I don’t know that much about the Hoops team.

But I will write something, even if it is just “rah, rah, sis-boom-bah,” and provide an open game thread.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for linking Aaron's article

I really enjoy reading when people not looking through Big Blue shades “get it”. I have sent the link to lots of UK fans.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Mar 30, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Most welcome.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Got an email from Aaron

Had to thank him for such a great piece. (Almost thought Tru wrote it! haha!)

by kyeric on Mar 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love this line:

“You always remember the one that got away, and I have a feeling that’s the way Kentucky fans will feel about this group for a long time. "

That’s exactly it. Sigh.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 30, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

I am SOOOOO gonna miss this team. :(

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 30, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article, Tru...

I just wanted to come over and congratulate you guys on a great year. I was in St. Louis over the weekend and was really shocked when y’all lost. It’s hard, and it takes a while to get over the worst part of it. I’m grieving the loss of our seniors, especially Wayne (and his headband).

Here’s to next year! (and baseball season!)

"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti

by sddbaker on Mar 30, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you.

It was a great year, and a great year for the Vols as well. I know you’re proud of them.

Thanks for the nice comments, and I echo your sentiments.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for dropping by sdd

The Vols had a great season as well. Good luck to you guys, except when we meet. ’-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Mar 30, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, sddbaker ...

For not mentioning football, and thanks, Tru, for the Torres piece, although I did chastise him for opening up a wound that had shown signs of healing after 60 hours.

"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom" - Hayek

by Wild Weasel on Mar 30, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The longer it goes without hearing what the Freshmen are going to do next....

the longer the hope that they might come back for one more year grows. If the NCAA inforces the policy that a high percentage of the student athletes must graduate, then we may see less of the one and done players.

by UK1972 on Mar 30, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Wall, Cousins = Gone

No way they come back.

Bledsoe and/or Orton, 50-50. Depends if they are Lottery Picks and/or 1st Rounders.

NCAA enforcement won’t impact the number of 1 & Done players. They might impact the teams who sign them.

by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 30, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the NCAA rule does not penalize the teams whose players leave if they are "on track"

Which means essentially that the one and done needs to finish classes in the spring to be “on track.” I imagine that a lotter pick has little incentive to finish classes and lots of incentive to train full time for his future profession.

PPat can probably be counted on to finish the semester since he wants that diploma. Less likely for Wall and Cuz.

by JackBluto on Mar 30, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is a penalty either way.

There is just less of a penalty if the players leave in good academic standing. Here is my understanding of the process:

  • Players passing and staying in school earn 2 points (Academic and retention).
  • Players passing and leaving school early earn 1 point. (Academic).
  • Players transferring with at least a 2.6 GPA get 2 points (Academic and retention).
  • Players failing and leaving school earn 0 points, and can subject the school to immediate penalties if its APR is below 925.
  • If a player later returns and earns his degree, BONUS POINT!

Divide the total points earned in a year by the total points possible, and you have the APR score. An APR score of 925 is the lowest score that you can have without some kind of penalty.

If UK has 13 scholarship players and all but 3 graduate or return, the APR would be 23/26 × 1000 or 885. That would seem to be a problem, but since the APR is calculated on four years of data, it probably won’t pull us below the threshold.

Where you really get gigged is if you have a student leave in bad academic standing (i.e. academically ineligible to return). You can wind up with “immediate” penalties, i.e. the inability to award that scholarship to another player.

Needless to say, losing 5 players to the NBA would severely harm our APR, even if they leave in good academic standing. 21/26 = 808. We would have to average over 960 for the remaining three years to avoid sub-925 sanctions.

Losing 3 players, we could average 938 (between one and two players lost per year) and still maintain our APR.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe

they adjusted the rules to account for early exit for “one and done” players. I will try to find the ammendment for you.

by hoboat33 on Mar 30, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure ...

… this incorporates an accommodation for “one and done” players. See this DeCourcy article.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Took a little digging

(and there is more to do) but a couple things I rediscovered. First, this document put out by the NCAA Academic Performance Committee has this tidbit on page 74-75 :

2. Adjustments for Student-Athletes Who Depart an Institution to Pursue Professional Athletics as a Vocation:
a. The student-athlete was not retained due to participation in professional athletics as a vocation; and
b. The student-athlete earned the eligibility point in the last term of enrollment prior to transfer.
Adjustment requests that meet the criteria as outlined above do not require any additional mitigation for the lost retention point in order to be approved.

This points to no penalty for those going pro. As will all athletes the danger comes in their blowing off classes after the season is over. An institution does lose points for scholarship athletes that flunk out a semester. It’s important that whatever our kids do, they need to academically finish out the year.

Additionally, the Committee had a very timely revision (?) last fall that also helps out the Cats. According to this document we have two more aces in the hole:

The committee amended its policies and procedures related to the review of conditionally approved NCAA Division I Academic Performance Program (APP) penalty waivers to specify that the committee and waiver case staff may consider mitigating circumstances when a team’s single-year NCAA Division I Academic Progress Rate (APR) is below the established condition. [Effective during the 2009-10 academic year. Policy update will be reflected in August posting of the policy and procedures.]

and

The committee amended its policies and procedures to permit automated processing of adjustments for student-athletes who depart an institution to pursue professional athletics as a vocation. These automated adjustments will be reported during the data submission phase. In order for the retention point to be adjusted, the student-athlete must earn the eligibility point in his or her last term of enrollment prior to departure and the institution still must obtain supporting documentation of the student-athlete’s departure to pursue professional athletics as a vocation. [Effective beginning with adjustment requests submitted fall 2009].

Going into this year the one-and-done’s had me worried about the APR, but there really is no big problem as long as they finish out the year academically in good standing.

by hoboat33 on Mar 30, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah ...

… that’s what it looks like. It looks like schools can get credit for the retention point if the athlete is non-renewed for participation in professional athletics as long as the met the criteria for the academics point.

That’s a very good thing. Funny how they hid this in the procedure. It certainly didn’t make any headlines.

The only way UK could get in trouble is if one or more did not qualify academically. Then, no matter what, UK would get neither point.

But you said that.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being a lawyer

you probably had this deciphered in 2 minutes. Took me a bit longer since they use 10 words where 2 will do. Also, don’t often run across “cohort” except in police reports. ’-)

by hoboat33 on Mar 30, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh.

I’m not a lawyer. You did good.

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by Glenn Logan on Apr 1, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about graduating early?

i.e Harris and Patterson. Shouldn’t we get a bonus point for that………

Call it aftermath, she's turning blue, Such a lovely color for you.
Call it aftermath, she's turning blue, While I just sit and stare at you.

by btcoop71 on Mar 30, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I can see.

I don’t think Harris is graduating early, is he?

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 1/2 years

He didn’t come until the second semester his freshmen year.

Call it aftermath, she's turning blue, Such a lovely color for you.
Call it aftermath, she's turning blue, While I just sit and stare at you.

by btcoop71 on Mar 31, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, that's right.

Yeah, if he grads in May, that would definitely be early.

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by Glenn Logan on Apr 1, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand

If two teams play once, on a neutral court and one of the teams wins, WHY wouldn’t they be considered the better team? Bad night? The winning team probably had something to do with the losing team causing them to have a bad night.
Coaching? That’s part of the team make up. Out coached? Maybe. but that should be reviewed at the time of new contacts etc.
I know we can say something like we’d beat them 9 our of ten times, and all that but we had the chance, played with the same ball, in the same gym at the same time and they won. So, why aren’t they the better team?

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Mar 30, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

the logic falls apart pretty quickly

West Virginia beat us therefore they’re a better team than Kentucky, yet we beat UCONN while they lost to them…therefore UConn is better than West Virginia yet inferior to Kentucky…who lost to West Virginia. Just doesn’t really work, imo.

Anything can happen on a given night. It think it’s fair to say the winning team always OUTPLAYED the loser, but far from accurate to say the winning team is always the BETTER one.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 30, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Go on girl!

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 30, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ladies,

Was the UConn game one that determined your future for playing in the Final Four?
It was a reguar season game. not one that was going to determine your eligibility to play for the National Championship?
Was the loser of the gameof the UConn game going to have their season end with the lost?
I think it was on a somewhat neutual floor.
Other that the site, there is no comparison to the Regional Finals, the game you need to win to get to the Final Four.
No way you can say, ’we were experiementing with a new line up, a new defense, etc.
It as for the chance to go on and play for all the marbles.
I can understand your reasoning and no one on this site wanted to see the Cats loose. BUT the game was played, and there was no way anyone can make an excuse for not putting their best effort forward.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Mar 30, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

ParisGuy,

Have you ever watched an NBA playoff series? One team beats another team. Then the other team wins. Then the first team wins again. Etc.

Winning any single game doesn’t determine the best team. Many of NCAA’s best teams did not win a championship while many did. Last year, the best team won. This year, the teams that were the “best” have all been eliminated. Not the first time (see, e.g., Houston beat by NCState; UNLV loss to Duke; UK loss to Georgetown).

My point is simply that WVU was really good, and are close to us in ability to win games. But the “better team”? I doubt it – but they won when it mattered.

I think the best team this year was either UK or KU, and the fact that both lost before the FF doesn’t change that. But except for their fans, history will forget them (KU and UK) because we both lost too early.

by JackBluto on Mar 30, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

most humans know when they are putting up their best effort but things are not quite right. Other times people put up their best effort and things turn out even better. Do you really need this explained?

by hoboat33 on Mar 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Tell me what logic you can use to say when two teams play, neutral court, only one goes on, that you would us to say the loser was the best team?
That’s way the game is played. To see who is better. There’s no reason for someone not to put out their best effort.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Mar 30, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, you're being deliberately dense

Of course they were better THAT NIGHT – the score says so. But one game tells you nothing about who would win a 7 game series, or a 100 game series, etc. No one’s saying that both teams didn’t put in maximum effort, but sometimes the ball just doesn’t go in the hoop. That’s what happens. Can we prove that UK is better? Nope. But we’re a UK fan blog, so we’re entitled to that opinion.

Anybody wanna buy a pair of tickets to the final game?

by NYCCats on Mar 30, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the end of the day ...

… this is right. When two teams play, we subjectively assign value to things that may or may not matter. We know that we were a better team than Tennessee. Why? We played them 3 times and won twice, once on a neutral court. That gives an objective argument that UK is better, assuming somewhat similar records against other foes. Since UK’s record was better than Tennessee against virtually the same competition, there can be no doubt as to who is better.

We cannot say the same thing about South Carolina, for example, without going to things like the record. USC beat us once and lost once, but their record provides objective evidence that they are not as good, and the fact that they played most the same foes as UK pretty much makes that dispositive.

In a case like West Virgina, you have three problems to consider:

  • A one-game series
  • The fact that the two teams played in different conferences against mostly different teams
  • A difference in the records (UK’s was significantly better)
  • A difference in the opponents (West Virginia’s schedule was significantly tougher).

So in the end, you have the following facts:

  • A neutral court loss to WVA when they had a starter on the bench.
  • A better UK record against easier foes.

In my mind, the calculation is very close, but I think West Virginia has to get the benefit of the doubt as being the better team.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In a best of seven series, my vote goes to Kentucky

they are the better team.
That’s not going to happen though.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Mar 30, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well ...

… Okay, I tend to agree, but that’s an answer we’ll never know.

Kenpom would agree with us, but as so many are fond of reminding me, the game isn’t played on paper. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would humbly submit...

and trust me, I’m fully aware that this is going to sound like sour grapes on my part, and I don’t care : ) But by Paris’ logic, that the one-off games in March are the bottom line that shows which team is overall “better”—perhaps West Virginia’s schedule wasn’t so very much tougher than ours after all. The Big East as a whole rather did a face-plant this March, so by this logic they weren’t all that good a league—hence the Mountaineers’ schedule wasn’t quite so tough, right?

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 30, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since schedule strength ...

… is calculated by success against other schools and their success against others, I don’t know if that would be terribly convincing.

But it is a point for debate, no doubt.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe we just blame it on the AD.

He should have known.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Mar 30, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

paris

you think WV shoots like that EVERY game?………..come on

by bigbill992001 on Mar 30, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows?

The shot selection by West Virginia was what Kentucky was giving them. They couldn’t go inside because of our big men. We chose to sag in and they took advantage of it.

Question I have is, why didn’t we pound the ball inside on offense? We heard talk all season about having the tallest team in the Country. Why not go inside and get them in foul trouble? Hey, I’m not a basketball coach and apparently don’t know the basics of the game.
We played well all year, well most to fthe time.
Remember, as my older brother use to say
“There ain’t never been a horse who can’t be rode and never been a rider that can’t be throw’d’.
That pretty must fits in this situation. Maybe someone could have beaten the Mountaineers earrlier in the tournament. But they didn’t and with what was at stake, there was no reason for either team not to be ready. Sh-t happens,

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Mar 31, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

if you take out the 32 3s, we shot 19-35. Not too shabby. But………..just one of those nights :(

by bigbill992001 on Apr 1, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great article by Aaron Torres, thanks for linking it.

My son just moved to Boston where he’s rooming with a friend from high school (Richmond, Va) who happens to be a diehard UConn fan. I sent the link on to then, I think they’ll both enjoy it.

by BCinVA on Mar 30, 2010 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

When I read the following sentence:

" What you often see are conflicting large egos which cannot be contained or controlled, or cocky, arrogant hubris." my first thought was – Kansas. It is hard for me to believe the Kansas team had this feel of brotherhood nor exemplified the character of the Wildcats; especially starting out the year getting into a fight with the Kansas football team.

 I don’t think Coach Cal get enough credit (I know he doesn’t, nationally) for the job he did melding this group into a “brotherhood”. This camaraderie carried them to some unexpected wins early in the year, helped them through the rough spots and ultimately had them feel the depth of the loss at the end. While we will lose the seniors and a to be determined number of other players, we will still have Coach Cal and he can continue to provide the atmosphere for the players where these “families” can form.

by hoboat33 on Mar 30, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

And I'm sure many Kansas fans would say the same about us

/shrug

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Mar 30, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

except our boys did not fight the football team....

the lack of off-court “drama” was what i had failed to put my finger on. this team was special – all of cal’s memphis teams had some sort of issue off court – even the one that went to the NC game (and i am not talking about the ncaa type, but issues within the team).

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Mar 30, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was tempted to name Kansas, but refrained.

That’s who I was thinking about when I wrote it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great writeup...

and clever use of Dorsai series. As a team “name” never caught on all season…though many fine ones were suggested…maybe it is enough that we call these young men the “Band of Blue Brothers”.

by CAWebb on Mar 30, 2010 5:13 PM EDT reply actions  

We shouldn’t feel too bad. There were 65 teams in the tourament and only one is going home not having lost their last game of the season.

I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

by ParisGuy on Mar 30, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you're right on the money on THIS one, paris ; )

I hurts to underachieve when it really counts especially when you’ve got a team you’re not likely to see the likes of again in the near future…but hell, it hurts when you overachieve and fall just short too. March is made for heartbreak.

by blue kentucky girl on Mar 30, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like the fall from the skyscraper,

it’s the sudden stop that gets you. I remember, both in HS and college, after the last game, there was nothing to do. All the time devoted to the game was now empty. The guys you had played with weren’t really teammates any more, just friends, because it was OVER. The shared effort had ended. The synergy that came from understanding your teammates as well as you understood yourself was gone. There was nothing there. It was OVER.

It must be the same in any team sport. The last baseball game was the same way. I imagine football (though I never played-our HS didn’t have a team) is even more intense because of the greater physical contact involved. There’s something about getting hit hard, even on a basketball court, that sharpens the focus and the determination.

In the end, whether they are about our own athletic careers or the vicarious thrills we got from these young guys, all we have are the memories. If they make us smile, they are good. And this group made me smile . . .again.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Mar 30, 2010 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

For a name, how about The Phoenix.

They brought back life from the ashes.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Mar 30, 2010 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks for the article from Aaron.......

loved seeing someone with NO ties to our state really seem to understand this season…..

by BlueVille on Mar 30, 2010 10:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks

That was the best post mortem for the year that I’ve read – THANKS TRU!!!

JandPsDad Bleedin' BLUE in NW Indiana

by JandPsDad on Mar 30, 2010 10:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Most welcome.

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by Glenn Logan on Mar 30, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

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