Coaches come and go. The importance of getting the 'right fit'
Below is a list, not complete I'm sure, of who's gone and who's in.
The following was borrowed from the Birmingham newspaper.
I know it has nothing to do with the Wildcats but if you review the Cat's history the last few years you might consider the blight of the schools with vacancies and who is or isn't a basketball school and will go for the big name coaches.
Of course we understand a school such as Auburn isn't going to live or die on their choice. Their major sport begins in the September and concludes in January. But what about some of the others?
We know mistakes can be made.
http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/03/job_opening_auburn_basketball.html
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Most of those positions that are in that list would be considered by me to be "stepping stones" as far as coaching jobs go.
Seton Hall, Auburn, and maybe a couple of others might be the dream job for a few candidates. Problem for most is that the Head Coach slot is so volatile. They come and go at the whim of the team’s record. A few years ago, (not more than 20) a coach could be expected to stay 10-15 years at a job or longer, because they didnt move around so much. Now, the expectations are higher, more money is involved, and AD’s and fan bases are not willing to wait out a coach for that one or two magical seasons he has in him.
Are we the end all to end all job for all coaches?, no, not by a long shot, because everyone is different. But for most coaches, (who’s egos are usually as big as their paychecks) they want the limelight, and the glory, and they all understand that the fates are fickle and some days you eat the bear, and some days the bear eats you.
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You make some good points
Louie Carna whatever stayed at a no name school and they are still trying to get back to the level he set. So did Bobby Knight at Indiana. Some times you don’t know what you have until it gone.
Most of the schools on the list aren’t going to be world beaters and true, they are stepping stones.
You could say even Kentucky is a stepping stone if you look at the current tenure of Tubby and Rick.
We hear about schools being the job of a lifetime. In my opinion there is no such thing. Everyone reaches a level when what they have isn’t good enough.
Most of the schools listed are known for being a one sport school if they even qualify for that level.
Auburn will make any effort to get a goor to great coach but if they don’t it won’t be a carreer ender. That will be left for the failure to keep the football program successful.
Some school sneak up on parity at one time or annother. UCLA, for example but they soon goes by the way side.
Notre Dame, same thing. Texas in my opinion is the closest to doing it right now. Florida was there for two years but do you really think they would fire Billy if he doesn’t get them back to the final four in the next few years?
Whole different situation for Urban Myer. Finish third in the Eastern Division a could of times and watch.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Amen on Meyer......he knows his days atop the world are numbered.....Tubby and Rick are different sides of the same coin
Rick wanted more……Tubby wanted less….I think that parity is acheivable, but in most cases it comes by accident more than design. I really think the Florida situation is a prime example. Donovan caught lightning in a bottle, and they were ecstatic. Now that he has struggled for a few years, they dont panic because as you said, football carries the load. We are probably the opposite of that.
When Knight was at Army, Indiana was just a blip on the radar screen. He built that program.Guys just dont stay long enough to build something from nothing anymore. Places like us here, or say So Cal in football, we ride our tradition through ups and downs and hope that the downs are as minor as possible.
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Disagree Tubby Wanted Less
His goals (championships) are THE SAME wherever he coached.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 21, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My point was that Tubby wanted less than Kentucky Forty....not less of a job....
no disrespect intended.
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Not True Either
Tubby wanted the same goals as Kentucky does = championships.
He only won 1.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Then why leave??? C'mon, you act like there is no other way to see Tubby than your way.
I loved the guy……respected everything he did, and everything he refused to do, but if he wanted to be here so bad then he should have done what needed to be done and fought to stay……geez……this Tubby worship is for the birds. If he wanted everything that Kentucky has to offer then he should have stayed and made it work…..if not fine. I understand he wanted to be somewhere else. If he doesnt want UK, then so be it, but dont act like it was something other than what it was. A job. A job he stopped being as successful at as he was when he first got here.
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I'm with Forty
I agree with Forty. Tubby was a nigh ankle sprain away from the final four with Bogans. I still check Minnesota’s scores every week.
The athletic director let some money people get to him and he showed absolutely no support for him; What was it Smith said? Some thing to the fact ‘Its nice to go some where were your wanted’?
Then to show us he was on top of the situation he brought in a guy who he witnessed himself beating Pitino right there in Rupp Arena. So automaticly he was the choice to ‘revive’ the program.
Sorry, I can’t agree Tubby got a decent break. No probations, no investigations, no problem
Ten years down the road lets see if those statements can still be made.
I know Cal is clean as the driven snow. Nothing has been proven, etc. Maybe he is. We’ll see.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I dont question Tubby's abilities. Personally I think as a coach he can do more to teach a kid than anyone I
have ever seen……that’s not what I was alluding to. And if that is why he went to Minnesota, (because they wanted him there) I can totally agree with the analysis…..But if he left because he didnt want to be here anymore, then he wanted less……because any program besides this one is a step down in prominence, standing, and spotlight. I know it is a biased opinion, I just dont see Minnesota as a step anywhere but down from Kentucky…..
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if your athletic director isn’t watching your back would you stay? Mitch got totally what he deserved ford his action.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Sorry, I can not discuss the athletic director’s ablity. It baiting, enoying and several other thinks I’m told. You know, beating the dead horse thing.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Recruiting wasn't Tubby's favorite thing to do.
And to stay at the level we UK fans expect to be at, you better recruit your tail off and not settle for the leftovers. His best class was his downfall. They turned out to be a group of me guys instead of us.
by Grasslands1 on Mar 23, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ABC...
i know what you meant…oh, nevermind, not worth it…
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Mar 22, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
IU Pre-Knight
When Knight was at Army, Indiana was just a blip on the radar screen.
You’re either too young or ill informed. IU was a basketball power — elite of the elite — decades before Knight arrived. The days of Branch McCracken, Don Schlundt and Bobby Leonard were on a par with UK, St. Johns, CCNY, LIU, OSU, etc.
"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom" - Hayek
maybe decades before, but not when he arrived......
Indiana had all but disappeared before Knight’s arrival.
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Nobody Told George McGinnis That
IU was decent in the 1960’s and good in early 1970’s.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 22, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that decent and good like we would call an insult around here??......C'mon Forty.....
Indiana wasnt a powerhouse until Knight arrived and put them on the map. They immediately became a perennial contender and a fixture in the tourney every year
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There You Go Again
IU was a powerhouse and an elite program when Knight was in elementary school and that’s why, despite their hard times recently, they are historically considered a top program.
"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom" - Hayek
Dominant Programs
What’s amazing is you can practically pick any sport, at least Football or Basketball, go back to the polls in any years and there will be at least seven, eight, etc of the same teams in the poll for that date, year in and year out. They might not be in the same spot, probably won’t, but they’ll be there.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
OK, have a question for you there Paris.......
youre right about the polls, especially in Football…..but how many of those teams are in that poll for reputation only?
If we truly started over every year with a clean slate, and couldnt account for what a team did the year before, or who they had on their team, or what their reputation is, how many of those teams would be there every year??
A lot of teams get to 3-0, 5-0, even 8-0 during the season…..not many end up 12-0, so if the polls were based solely on performance, and every time you lost, you went to the bottom of the pile of those teams who did lose, how long would it take for teams to recover?
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A team like Alabama? Or Ohio State?
Are you saying teams like Alabama, Florida, LSU etc. Ohio State Penn State, etc. Michigan fell from grace and I haven’t seen them in the polls lately.
If they would do away with the bull of voting on any one before the fifth game it would stop the dreamers such as locally who load up on teams who should be a homecoming game for everyone they play. Many of the schools are not poll worthy that look great until they get into their conference and they then battle to stay 50-50 the rest of the season.
Would you not consider who you lost to. A loss to App State would be much more damaging then a lost to South Carolina. Or a loss to Gardner Webb compared to Louisville.
Who is end there by reputation only? Even the great Notre Dame hasn’t been able to pull that off.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Youre right, let me rephrase, because I should have said that differently.....didnt come out the way I meant it to
When there are teams out there that have identical records, why are they not ranked as well?
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Who are they beating? Play tthe same quality teams and I will agree with you.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
OK, now we are to what I was trying so badly to get to.
Some teams go from one year to the next and are ranked based upon reputation until they get beat. It happened in basketball this year with UCONN and UNC. So how do we determine that quality you speak of until a team plays another powerhouse…..????
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We spoke a lot about Boise State not getting any respect last year. Their situation mirrors what I am speaking of.....they dont get
a title shot because they supposedly didnt play anyone…..but they turned out to be pretty good…..were they left out for the reasons you speak of?
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I don’t think Kentucky was ranked at the end of last season. They got a terrific recruiting class and new coach and bingo they were rated in the top three in the polls pre season.
Should they have wanted until they beat some body good? They would still be in the trying to get into the top ten.
Boise State? Didn’t they play in a BCS bowl? They got recognition over some pretty good teams.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
So I ask the question, are there more Boise State's out there?? Did they get the recognition because of a good season
or a good marketing campaignEveryone thinks their conference is a joke, but no one wants to play them when they offer up their open date to anyone in the country
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I saw that offer.
Why doesn’t Kentucky play them? An SEC team going against a highly recognized program. Looks like they would want to jump on that in a heart beat.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Actually I asked myself the same question. I just feel like there are more of those teams out there who dont get into the polls because
they arent a "Name " program
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Again I would tell you why I think they don't schedule them
But it would be baiting, annoying, dead horse, etc
There probably are. Look at Cincinnati, They came out of no where to be highly ranked.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
We don't play Boise. . .
because our conference schedule is tough enough. Their is no need to schedule a non-conference opponent in a football season that is very good if you are not playing at the top of your conference. Let the Cats get to the top of the SEC (if that ever happens) and then demand better non-conference games. Considering that we have played against the national champion every year for the past, what, five years. I think that is a big enough hurdle to overcome at the moment.
As for basketball, with 30-31 games in a season, you can schedule a big time opponent as the game is easy enough to bury amongst all of the others. One regular season loss will not keep you out of the NCAA tourney, but one regular season loss can keep you out of a great bowl game.
Top of the SEC?
Lawman, if we wait until we get good enough to be at the top of the SEC, Boise State will just be a memory.
We have shown we can kick the little guys around. Haven’t lost to one in how long now? Got Western Kentucky in a three or four game series, for the betterment of Football in the Bluegrass State. Whoopee.
Heck, some proclaim we’re improving. Yes we have more wins but what are the caliber of the wins? Bowl games? Yep, we’re one of 68 going to a bowl. Out of 120. And there’s still hope for next year because 72 are going to get the portunity. That’s going to leave 48 teams at home.
I’m not going to mention coaches, athletic directors or players. Never mention players. They were recruited to come here. The others are paid for the product they put on the field.
So, if we wait till we’re at the top of the SEC, I’m afraid it will be a VERY long time for both you and me.
Things are going to have to change for that to happen. See any changes being made?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I do see changes being made, but that is not the point.
I agree with you on why we don’t schedule teams like Boise. We don’t want a nonconference game that could be or would be a likely loss. You find that abhorrent while I, at this stage in Kentucky’s development, do not. While I hope to see the day when UK schedules better nonconference games, I am not going to get upset that they don’t when they are playing in the toughest conference in the nation and, arguably, the toughest division of that conference. When Kentucky is winning games against SC, Tennessee and Georgia (and I don’t mean once every thirty years) then it is reasonable to expect a tougher nonconference schedule. Now, I expect UK to do like everyone of their nonchampionship contending brethren in the SEC fo, schedule patsies before conference play begins.
But if we are beating our non conference schedule, and we have been, but continue to finish either fifth or sixth in the conference, how will we know if we are improving? Wouldn’t a win over someone who isn’t a directional school, i.e. Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Middle Tennessee etc. and beat someone such as an Indiana, or a Marshall, or Virginia or even Duke make us at least show some one we aren’t afraid to chance going ‘big time’?
Does everyone one else in the conference need to win at least three of their no conference games to get to the six win level? Check Vanderbilt’s schedule. They may not go to a lot of bowl games but they do play schools that if they win, they can brag about it. Heck, some of them are from conferences we’ve heard of.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Vandy is everyone else's patsy.
They are the team that the other conferences schedule in order to say that they beat an SEC school. The better barometer is to look at what the Mississippi schools, South Carolina and Arkansas have scheduled in the non-conference realm. They schedule no different than us (and a couple of them, worse than us) in non-conference.
As to the first question, we will know that we are improving by watching our conference games. Those are the schools that we play regularly on a yearly basis. We can judge our improvement by how we played them last year, the year before, etc. Non-conference is not how you judge yourself in football unless you are scheduling the truly elite, which no one is advocating (at least I don’t think anyone is advocating that we attempt to schedule teams like Texas, Ohio St. and Oklahoma).
I see your point.
I still say we have reached our ‘comfprt zone’ and won’t move out of it.
South Carolina is playing Southern Miss and Clemson this year. I know Clemson is a rivalry game for them but Southern Miss? I guess that equals an Akron.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.

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