Mississippi State Got "Took"
by ParisGuy on Mar 15, 2010 11:32 AM EDT
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Seems if you don't play in the BIg East, losing to a quality team doesn't get you a bid.
It seems to me that if you take the No. 2 team in the country to overtime each game you play them, it would indicate you can get consideration you going to the 'Big Dance".
Or you can look at it as the champion in the Western Division isn't talent worthy.
This only prime the engines for the SEC in other sports to be more competitive.
Notice Florida won the NCAA Men's Track and Field title this past weekend. That will make them feel better after their early exit in Nashville.
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No they didn't....
They are 55 in the RPI and have a SOS of 108. They have no room to complain at all. They may pass the “eyeball” test but that is not what the committee looks at.
I really don’t understand why everyone thinks this team got robbed. Schedule better and win more games and then we can talk. The only non-conference tourney teams they beat was 13 seed Houston (who only got in by virtue of winning their conference tourney) and 11 seed Old Dominion.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Ken Pomeroy
Has them at 41 and Florida at 49…..just sayin’
Miss St Deserved >>> Florida
Gators not that good this year.
by FortyYearCatFan on Mar 15, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't agree with you on that.
I am not arguing that Florida deserved to be in since I don’t think they did, but there is no way MSU deserved to be in over them. MSU was 21-10 overall and Florida was 21-11 overall (pre-SEC tourney records), which is pretty much even. Both teams were 9-7 in conference play( with the majority of the MSU wins coming against the SEC west) so let’s call that a wash. They played each other twice and split the two games, another wash. Let’s look at the non-conference schedule. The best wins MSU has are against Old Dominion, Houston and Vandy. Florida’s best wins are against Florida St., Michigan St. and Tennessee. Those three wins are better than MSU’s wins and that is the difference.
Interesting
which way do you want it?
Kentucky had to go into over time on two different occasions to be a team that couldn’t even make it into the tournament?
Or
Kentucky played a good team that showed they belonged in the Big Dance but was left out?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Kentucky beat a team twice that did not deserve to go to the dance.
Phrase it however you want, Kentucky go two wins and MSU got none. The closeness does not matter, otherwise Alabama wouldn’t be football champs either.
MSU/FL
Neither team deserves to be in the dance, neither does Minnesota. Anyway, MSU just happens to match up well with us and took us to the brink both times but came up short. If they had won ONE of those games, they’d be in………..bottom line.
by bigbill992001 on Mar 15, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I kind of felt the same way Paris after the SEC Tourney was over.....
what got me past it, was looking at the “Blind Resumes” that they were posting on the screen…..their resume was well behind several others…..now, allowing for that, I think that they would have gotten the bid had they not have had some really bad losses earlier in the year. Their losses simply hurt them more than their wins and"almost" wins helped.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
Note: I am not totally sold on Florida getting in either.......somehow I think the committee
looked past that one, maybe not.
I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!
MSU
was a huge disappointment this year and Stansbury knows it. You could tell in his body language that the tourney was his only shot to go dancing. One week of playing really good does not equate to a season deserving of an NCAA bid. Florida beat some top teams this year, MSU did not.
And all this time I thought they won the Western Dvision.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
They did win the west.
Unfortunately for them, they did not beat any of the top 4 teams in the east during the regular season and they did not beat anyone of note in the nonconference schedule. I would have thought that you, Paris, would have been against MSU most of all since they padded their schedule with “buy” wins, some of which did not pan out.
sarcasm
does not look good on you Paris….just state what you mean Paris. It makes debating much more fun and less personal.
West was horrible this year just horrible……saying that you are in first place in the West isn’t saying much at all just look at the overall records. West had no quality wins did they? Florida did.
The Conference was weak also
I guess if you play in a conference as weak as the SEC was this year you can’t base it on conference wins. And when the teams outside the conference don’t hold up on their end of the bargin it makes you look that much worse.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Have you looked at their non-conference schedule?
The only two teams that they played that did not hold up their end of the bargain were UCLA and WKU. Everyone knew UCLA would be bad this year, but I will give you that one and, I should point out, that is the only team they scheduled from a BCS conference. They lost to the other team, WKU that did not hold up its end of the bargain and go to the NCAA tournament.
As for the SEC being weak, in its weakness, it still placed four in the tournament. The ACC and the Big 10 only had 5 each and the Big 10 had no No. 1 seeds.
What about the Big East and the BIg Twelve?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Did you see that Kentucky’s strength of schedule was 7th in the SEC?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Not surprising.
According to Ken Pomeroy’s site, it was 130th in the nation. weaker than it should have been, but still stronger than teams like Ohio St., Syracuse, Purdue, Texas, Villanove and Michigan St. to name a few.
Its
not been said but this is my one true worry for this team…….we haven’t played enough quality teams. Big East teams scare me and Big Twelve teams scare me because their conference is truly more competive top to bottom. BUT with that said we have had a target on our back all season and that brings the best out of teams. SO that will help us alot.
I thought Jay Bilas made some excellent points on the ESPN Tournament
special last night. He basically said that WHY do we argue every year about 2 or 3 teams that didn’t get in. Bottom line, if they’d done what they should….they’d be in.
BK (your man Paris) said it even better…….this tournament isn’t about the best 65 teams. He didn’t say it but I will, obviously Miss St is one of the best 65 teams right now but there are 30+ teams with automatic bids and many like Georgia 2 years ago SHOULD NOT GET AN AUTOMATIC BID!!! In my opinion, it’s all about money and throwing these conferences a bone. UK won the SEC in every sense but if Auburn had got on a roll and won 4 games……they’d get the automatic bid…..that’s just stupid when you think about it.
Houston probably knocked out Miss St and if it wasn’t Houston, it was Washington. Va. Tech or Miss St. either one would beat at least 15 of the teams in the tournament 8 out of 10 times but………as BK said, these aren’t the “best” 65 teams.
You can't fix "stupid"!
Why not the tourney champ?
The conference, which is made up of the colleges, vote on the way they want the champion to be decided. If the smaller conferences are stupid enough to throw away their best shot at winning NCAA games by letting the regular season champ get dismissed by a random team in their conference, then that is their fault. The big conferences hold their tournaments for the money since they know that their regular season champ will get in anyway. If the SEC wanted the regular season champ to get the bid, they would go back to doing things the way that they used to.
Mississippi State has no one to blame but themselves for not getting in.
Sunday, they were up four with 25 seconds left in regulation, then up 3 with 5 left. They had two chances to grab the rebound that would seal the game with under 3 seconds on the clock (Bledsoe’s intentionally missed FT and Wall’s jumper). They didn’t get it done.
Six weeks ago, they were up seven with three minutes to go ON THEIR HOME COURT. From that point on, they got outscored 21-8.
That’s two games against the #2 team in the country that they, by all rights, should have won. Both times, they coughed it up. Win Sunday, they don’t even have to sweat the selection show. Win the earlier game, they probably beat out Florida. They had their chances. They didn’t get it done. End of story.
If they’d won the game Sunday, someone else (Florida or maybe Wake Forest) would be whining today about the at-large berth that Mississippi State stole since Kentucky would have taken up one. I hate to agree with Jay Bilas about anything, but he’s right. They didn’t schedule well enough or play well enough to get in.
Without Tourney Champs
there would be no “Cinderella stories” and that to me is part of what its all about as well. The school that had a disappointing season, but digs in and wins their conference tourney possibly giving them pride and momentum needed to knock down a few of the big boys that dont bring their A-game. I love the tournament exactly how it is. It sucks to get left out – we know that from experience – all the more reason to do what you need to do to make sure that doesnt happen whether that means kicking ass and taking names during the regular season or checking your gut at the post season and fighting your way to a tourney win.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Mar 16, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You should only foul when up three
if the situation dictates. For example, if you’re up three on a small team that shoots lights out, you go ahead and foul before they can launch a trey. When you are playing a huge team that is struggling from the three-point line (UK on Sunday) you let them hoist one up and take your chances.
In my opinion, the coach’s poor decision cost his team a bid.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Mar 16, 2010 1:08 AM EDT reply actions
I think the moral of the story is
Don’t lose to Rider. Win that game, they are in. Simple as that.
Some say a comet will fall from the sky. Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still. Followed by millions of dumbfounded dips**ts.
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