Excessive Celebration...???
by ukcat1982 on Feb 5, 2010 12:55 PM EST
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In reaction to True's article about sportsmanship, I completely agree with his sentiments on the issue among fans. Another thing that came to my mind when reading about conduct issues among fans is the conduct in players too. Obviously, we have seen players show unsportsmanlike conduct for as long as we can remember, but I wanted to bring up my observation of the "Excessive Celebration" issue among players today.
We've seen the yellow flag thrown in football after a touchdown and unsportsmanlike conduct called for too much celebration on the sidelines. We've seen players stick out their chests and pound them like a babboon after every made shot or QB sack. Has this type of behavior become so typical and reoccuring that we have truely undervalued the significance of a great play? Is it part of sports-culture these days or do we have an excessive celebration issue or not? I see the comparison between fans rushing the court after a mediocre win the same as a player who acts like they've never made a great play before. If you are a great player, do you need to pound your chest or do a dance evertime you do something? Don't get me wrong. I love seeing players play with emotion and energy, and sometimes the fans need that from the players to get them out of their seats, but come on!....are the fans really that impressed with a play that would make a player act like he's never been there before?
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You make several good points.
Does Wall play to the crowd after some of his baskets?
I;m sure this has been brought up someone on one of the many basketball posts on here but I have to mention the distaste I had for one of kentucky’s star freshmen talking back to the coach when taken out during a recent basketball game. It was written off as immaturity and forgotten.
I don’t know how many of you played sports or coached them. I don’t think any of my coaches would have stood for this. They would have let me know very quickly who was in charge and where the dressing rooms were.
I’m not judging either person in the incident. Just how times have changed.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
Times are different...
these days and I totally agree that no player should talk back to his coach. Kids these days are just that…kids, but being a kid isn’t permission to allow emotions control actions. I work in a high school and I get kids, but a parent should be a parent, a friend should be a friend, and a coach should be a coach. No knock against any particular coaching style, but sometimes a kid needs to be reminded of that, which I’m sure Calipari did that in the proper context.
I cried myself to sleep (literally), pounding my pillow the night Laettner made me hate Duke. I would still love to punch Laettner in the face!
Did you hear
the conversation between Cousins and Cal? It’s talking back if he is disputing what the coach told him or continuing to talk if told to be quiet. You weren’t close enough to hear what was going on, just making assumptions based on your own preconceptions. I think the coach can handle his team and doesn’t need us second guessing him.
by kywineman on Feb 5, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True..
I’m sure Calipari dealt with it the right way “if” there even was a scuffle between Cousins and coach. You’re right…nobody knows what was said and I didn’t even see what everyone is talking about to decipher body language either. I’m simply going off of what I’ve read from numerous comments from credible contributors to ASOB, and IF Cousins did need to be reminded of who the coach is, “I’m sure Calipari did that in the proper context.” In my comment, I wasn’t talking about Cousins as much as I was talking about other players who display a disrespectful attitude toward their coaches, the refs, etc.
I cried myself to sleep (literally), pounding my pillow the night Laettner made me hate Duke. I would still love to punch Laettner in the face!
Actually
my reply was to ParisGuy, I guess I didn’t make that very clear. I just like Coach Cal’s approach of letting the guys get it off their chests. Suppressing emotions will just redirect them, often in a more destructive manner. When I’m angry, I know it always helps to talk about it and very quickly I return to a more rational approach to the problem at hand.
Agreed Wineman...
I definitely like Cal’s approach with letting Cousins get his frustration off his chest, especially since Cousin’s frustration wasn’t directed at coach. Pinned up frustration could only cause more frustration out on the court if not dealt with. I have seen DeMarcus mature with this kind of stuff and I appreciate his growing emotion IQ.
I cried myself to sleep (literally), pounding my pillow the night Laettner made me hate Duke. I would still love to punch Laettner in the face!
Thank you Wineman.
I had the same thoughts on this issue. I’m sure that if Cousins was actually undermining his coach, then Cal would deal with that accordingly. What we also don’t see is what happens off the court and in practice. So while we may not see Cal reprimand his players too much during the games, I’m sure he’s dealing with any coduct or maturity issues accordingly away from the cameras.
The excessive celebration of #1 ; safety Abdullah
Cost us the game against UT a couple of years ago.
"all the way"
let kids be kids out on the field or court
they should let kids be kids on the court but once you go on that bench, respect the coach, so coach cal good job with couisons. but when you watch a game i love to see a guy who hasnt played hit a game winning shot but for the top programs who take winning over a cupcake a big deal i dont like that, and fans dont need to rush the court if you beat a top 5 team if your also in the top 10, i hate that
I didn’t even mention the player by name but it seems everyone aultomaticially knew it was Cousins.
No we don’t know what they were talking about, Cousins did seem to be uptight about the subject didn’t he?
I don’t tthink he was placing his order for what he wanted at the post game meal.
Didn’t I say times have changed?
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
I think Cousins
might have been struggling with the feelings of having just suffered an injustice. He felt strongly the ref blew the call and expressed it to the ref. He got T-d and went to the bench. He was arguing his case in my opinion and just needed to get rid of the frustration. All part of growing up. I’m 63 and still get incensed when I think I have been cheated or disrespected. He came back in, performed very well and moved on. Hopefully he will deal with it better next time.
His play in the next game,
except for the instance in which he so unnecessarily abused the rim :-)), showed that he was over it. In the old days, anyone who talked back to the coach would have been gone permanently, but these aren’t the old days. Things change, wise people change with them. As many have said, we don’t know what he was saying. It could have been anything from “Up yours, Coach” to “But I didn’t touch the ball, Coach”. I tend to believe the latter.
I’m only a couple of months short of your 63, wineman, and, like you, I still resent injustice. When I was 18, I resented it a heck of a lot more, just like these kids do. Only thing was that I wasn’t raised to let my feelings spill over into words. Things are different now. Let’s all, including the media, let the kid be and let the coach handle it, as he apparently did.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
and when Cuz does the John Wall dance, EVERYBODY knows that too... :)
Such a fun kid to have on the team.
I cried myself to sleep (literally), pounding my pillow the night Laettner made me hate Duke. I would still love to punch Laettner in the face!
I am waiting for him to come out for pregame warmups in that hat and those
glasses……just to drive Cal nuts………..
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
Ha Ha! Yeah, I love that hat and glasses combo! Have you seen the video
of him talking to the baby? Pretty funny too!
I use to love Happy Meals, now I love sushi, but I will always love Kentucky!
Good Lord Paris!
Ofcourse we knew it was Cousins! This has been a hot topic on here. Just because you dont “mention by name” does not mean we dont know what you are talking about. GIve us a little credit.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 6, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
its OK kentuckygirl
clam down. if I had mentioned his name first I would have been fried at the stake. I simply waited until some one else pointed it out.
If I had pointed him our I would be unloyal, unfaithful, un everything,
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
If you can't celebrate....
a great (or even a good play) then why bother playing. Lets take all the fun out of playing. Lets take all the individual personalities out of sports. Lets all be robots and see how much excitement that really brings.
There are so many more things to worry about than if someone crosses some imaginary line in celebrating. I really believe sports fans, commentators, talk jocks and bloggers are way too sensitive to rather irrelevant issues. Seriously, so what if a player beats his chest after making a big play. I want to see that the kid is having fun.
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Who doesn't want to see a kid having fun?
Nobody. And yes you’re right…it’s not that big of a deal, but it is something worth discussing whether you disprove or not. That’s why we all get on here right? In the words of ABC’s signature, “Remember, we’re having fun now!!!” :) My main point of the topic is that a celebration loses its potency if every play is celebrated with the same amount of energy from the player as all of the other mediocre plays. Take it or leave it, that’s all I was saying.
I use to love Happy Meals, now I love sushi, but I will always love Kentucky!
how many chest bump over celeb rations did UK have against UK....
I saw 0
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Why not in all sports?
Its funny how in basketball is OK but if you do it in football it can cost you a game. See Georgia this year.
I have be correctly accused of having a 'football fetish'. You know, someone who doesn't think football is the warm up sport to basketball season.
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