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Kentucky Wildcats 58, Vanderbilt Commodores 56:  Postmortem

So the Kentucky Wildcats, despite a flashback to 1992 and the Laetner shot that broke Big Blue spirits throughout the world, ripped the hearts, bloody and still beating, from the chest of Vanderbilt Commodores everywhere.

The Vanderbilt Commodores gave Kentucky all they had.  Neither team could shoot the ball from the perimeter, so it was an ugly-looking game with lots of fouls, lots of physical play from both teams, and lots of big plays from both teams.  John Jenkins made an amazing three to put Vandy back in the game after UK took a 4-point lead in the game.  Great effort by the Commodores, overall, despite uncharacteristically poor shooting.

This was an important game for both teams, and for Kentucky fans, this is sweet revenge for the way that the Commodores have been able to largely dominate Kentucky for the last four years.  It wasn't a 40-point blowout that Wildcat fans might have wished for in our wildest dreams (payback for the depredations heaped upon UK a couple of years ago in this same arena), but it was more than enough to put a big smile on my face and a celebratory libation in my hand.

More after the jump.

Star-divide

Observations:

  • Kentucky was spectacular in their perimeter defense today.  Spectacular.  It was what I had been asking for all year, and both John Wall and Eric Bledsoe really guarded on the outside.  That block by Wall at the end of the game on John Jenkins  was just the culmination of a complete defensive effort by the UK back court.  Awesome defense, men.  Awesome.
  • DeMarcus Cousins did a good job, but he didn't get beastly until near the end of the game.  That's always a good time for the beast to come out and play.
  • Patrick Patterson is back, and back huge.  That dagger three was a soul-stealing, will-breaking shot that will rank right up there with Nazr Mohammed's unlikely 10-foot layup to beat the Commodores back in 1998 as one of the biggest shots from a UK player in Nashville.
  • Where was Darnell DodsonDarius Miller was mostly invisible, but that steal and assist to Patterson in the first half was just a hint of his remarkable athleticism.  If he ever figures out how good he is, Miller will be a star.
  • DeAndre Liggins again did some really good things, and his hustle was the same as always.  He didn't always play smart today, though.
  • You may not have thought Daniel Orton played well, and for a fact, he missed free throws, but he intimidated Ogilvy and was a major paint presence.  I love this kid's upside.
  • Bledsoe needs to get control of his emotions.  I never thought that I would be worrying more about him hurting the team than Cousins, but right now, I do feel that way.  I could strangle Dicke V. for his moronic comment that Bledsoe's obvious pushing foul was anywhere near a flagrant.  What the hell is it with these announcers begging for flagrants against Kentucky?  I think Mitch Barnhart should get on the phone and give ESPN an earfull.
  • Vandy did a great job on the boards.  Kentucky, not so much.
  • Calipari was right to criticize his late time-out.  That was not a great coaching move.
  • I thought the officials did a pretty good job.  A foul on one end was pretty much a foul on the other.  For the most part.  Yes, there were missed calls on both ends, but there always are.
  • This team is really tough in late, close-game situations.  Really tough.
  • John Wall has been big in every close win the Wildcats have had this year.  Without Wall, I think you could make an argument UK would have at least 4 more losses.
  • Even having a bad game, John Wall is indomitable, and has an impact virtually every time.
  • Kentucky's offense looked really ugly tonight.  Give the 'Dores credit, I guess, because I can't think of another reason.
  • Perry Stevenson came in late game and played well, if for a short time.  But he helped.

You may think that this was just another win in a long string of them, and to an extent it was, but make no mistake -- this was the game that the Connecticut Huskies and North Carolina Tar Heels should have been -- a real valuable, top 15 victory against a really good team on their home floor, and as a bonus, it was a win on the most hostile home court in the SEC.

They don't get bigger than this, so say it with me one more time ...

GO, CATS!!!

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spot on as usual Tru...
Yes, there were missed calls on both ends, but there always are

….I dont think some people get that point…:)

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by SevenRings on Feb 20, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

I totally agree...

like I commented on one of the FanPosts…I think the refs were equally unfair to both teams last night, and overall probably more favorable to us in the MSU game, especially near the end.

by mrmondaynite on Feb 21, 2010 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

WOW! These guys are amazing!

We had the game on at work, and I again am soooo impressed with our will to win. I work with a couple of Vandy fans, and all evening they thought they had us. But, as Coach Cal said in the postgame, these guys refuse to lose. I am very proud of all the players on this team. Tonight was a real team effort. Not pretty, but a big win. Congrats to P. Pat for really stepping up this week and delevering when it really counted. GO CATS!. Lets pay back S. Carolina next!!!

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Feb 20, 2010 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

delivering...

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Feb 20, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

On Bledsoe agreed

Cuz has a fire in the belly that usually motivates him more than it hurts him. Bledsoe seems to have a temper.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Feb 20, 2010 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

Some of that may be frustration...

Hasn’t had a good offensive game in awhile, and he has to get mad at himself with some of the Ole D he plays at time. Those type of plays happen once or twice a game and Eric got caught tonight!!

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Feb 20, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't read all the comments, but did you see Bledsoe push a Vandy player to the floor?

It happened right after a foul call on Vandy (fouled Bledsoe I think). A Vandy player started to fall to the floor by teh baseline, and Bledsoe just 2 handed pushed him down to the floor. Stallings saw it, but the ref, though standing right there, seemed not to. I watched it on DVR several times and it was clear. My point: Bledsoe is the one to worry about. Cuz has immature emotion. Bledsoe might actually be a thug, though I hope he quits playing this way. How many double T’s does he have now?

by JackBluto on Feb 21, 2010 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

There was no flow to the game.

This had a major effect on the offensive end. I’d like to think that the Cats exerted so much energy on defense, it hurt on the other end. Missed foul shots tonight was tired legs. I have no doubt. It’s still a win, but these guys need a little more rest this week in my opinion, and I think they deserve it.

by UK1972 on Feb 20, 2010 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

Well, what can I say???

PPat is back and his big three looked perfect. Another double-double for him. I am happy. :-)

I saw the Hill to Laettner pass coming and not sure I could have handled it if that play had worked….LOL….So happy it didn’t work, so happy. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Feb 20, 2010 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

DUDE.

It was the worst flashback ever for me. I told my husband it felt like somebody punched me in the gut. Only that spawn of satan Laettner :cough spit: could make a play like that.

by uk1982 on Feb 20, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I gasped, and

I’m NOT a dude….LOL

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Feb 20, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

for the record I'm not either

“dude” for me is interchangeable with “man” =)

by uk1982 on Feb 20, 2010 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

makes no sense

like when you say ’oh man" or something. blah. anyways…

by uk1982 on Feb 20, 2010 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

for sure!

us girls sometimes can be the craziest of them all!

by uk1982 on Feb 21, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Tn fans at work were saying the same thing-

About the Laettner shot, except it was going to be A.J. with a hook shot from the top of the key! LOL

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Feb 20, 2010 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't YOU love it?

They must have felt horrible. ;-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Feb 20, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, it was great-

I was clocking out just as the last Vandy shot bounced off the basket, and all the UT fans and Vandy fans just gasped!! I just hit the door and never looked back!!

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Feb 20, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Every time we play Vandy I think of the 1998 game

I remember me and my dad screaming and hugging and jumping up and down in the living room.

And I do think that Cousins will once again get an earful from the coach for invoking the “call me” thing and doing the arm thing to get the crowd riled up. He’s a kid, but on the up side, I can sooo see him advertising for a major cell phone company…..blondie in the background singing call me…

Anyway, this game was a T-H-R-I-L-L-E-R from start to finish! I loved it! I have no fingernails left but it was SUCH fun game!

by uk1982 on Feb 20, 2010 9:34 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

LMAO!!

+1

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Feb 20, 2010 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

this WAS a helluva game!!

even if our boys had lost i would have still enjoyed watching it! great lockdown defense with hands in the face! games like this age a team quickly. this should get vandy to the elite 8 and us to the final four.

i only get two thumbs to gnaw on…i have ordered prosthetic ones for next saturday. my other eight nails i managed to quit biting a few years ago so i gave my self the thumbs for security.

I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.

by bluecrip on Feb 21, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Earlier in the year the Morehead coach

told PP and us that this team would go as far as PP took them. We gutted out two tough road wins this week…and is it any surprise that Patrick was huge in both of them?

If PP can continue to keep getting the ball in tough situations and rebounding like a beast., there is no team with a higher upside than UK.

Go Cats!

by sweasyf on Feb 20, 2010 9:35 PM EST reply actions  

On the flip side

while I’m cheering for PP right now… how many dunks has he missed this year? Too many.

by sweasyf on Feb 20, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

His big three tonight

cancels the missed dunk. He shouldn’t miss them, but it happens I guess.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Feb 20, 2010 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Bledsoe

He should received a flagarant foul… can’t believe he got away with that, it was obvious and a really poor sportsmanship.

by Shootmeibleedblue on Feb 20, 2010 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, spare me.

It was a foul. We have seen fouls like that a thousand times, never were they called flagrant.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 20, 2010 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I need

to learn the definition of the fouls…….I thought a deliberate push was flagrant. But I really am not sure…..not being sarcastic just wondering.

by tenken on Feb 20, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe you're right.

But like Tru said, we’ve seen many of these in the past that were not ruled “flagrant.” I always was under the impression that a flagrant foul is called when the foul is intentional PLUS could potentially injure the player who was fouled. (?)

by pinata89 on Feb 20, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Flagrant ....

Other than the obvious ones like pulling the jersey or fighting, I think pushing is a judgement call to be made by the referee …

by ukcris on Feb 21, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps

if the push was to the throat or head instead of the chest it would have been a flagrant. Just guessing.

by hoboat33 on Feb 21, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Per the NCAA manual

Flagrant personal foul, live ball. A flagrant personal foul shall be a personal foul that involves severe contact with an opponent or involves contact that is extreme in nature while the ball is live.

Bledsoe pushed Taylor. It was not “severe” or “extreme.” If it had been a dead-ball situation, then it should have been a contact dead-ball technical foul:

Contact dead ball technical foul. A contact technical foul occurs when the ball is dead and involves contact that is unnecessary, unacceptable and excessive.

In this case, the officials got it right, as they so often do in these situations.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2010 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks

Then you are right……it was the right call. Which also explains the Cousins foul against UofL.

by tenken on Feb 21, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Vandy fans think it was severe. Kentucky fans disagree — both of which you would expect.

How do you define severe in this case? Was the degree to which he shoved Taylor in the throat necessary? Hardly.

by KingJamesIV on Feb 21, 2010 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I frankly think ...

… three things:

1. The shove was not to the throat, it was to his chest. Check the replay.
2. Generally speaking, only a blow should qualify as a flagrant foul. A push never should unless it clearly endangered the recipient somehow, as a push on a breakaway layup could.
3. There is no question whatever that Vandy fans are wrong in this case if they think this was flagrant. A push like that will never, ever be called a flagrant foul, and never has been in the past.

The foul by Bledsoe not only wasn’t necessary, it was a clear foul and was called such, and got his butt chewed by Calipari. That’s the end of it, as far as I am concerned. The ref was right, as they so often are, and they looked carefully at the play on the monitor to check.

I also would point out that Ogilvy made a foul that could have been called an intentional, because he grabbed the player. When I saw the replay, it was obvious that Ogilvy made a stab at the ball, and that rendered it close enough that they shouldn’t have called an intentional, even though Ogilvy clearly grabbed and held intentionally.

Enhanced fouls should never be called when there is reasonable doubt.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Haven’t had a chance to see the replay yet (at least on my own TV, my view from the bar where I had dinner after was not exactly up close). I’ll take your word for it for now.

I can’t imagine being an official for that game. Talk about impossible situation.

by KingJamesIV on Feb 21, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a tough game.

I thought they called it pretty well. I yelled at a few calls, and wiped my brow at a few.

It was a tough game by two excellent teams who weren’t backing down. I thought the crowd was great.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Officials

The game has gotten so fast, it’s hard for 3 refs to cover. They can’t get up the floor fast enough to always be in position, and make calls at the blink of an eye. The game is so different from just a few years ago, and the constant rules changes from year to year, only make it harder. Although there are officials I don’t like, on the whole I think they do a competent job. I know I wouldn’t want it!

by UK1972 on Feb 21, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it was close

This wasn’t a little nudge. Eric B pushed that guy three feet.
I don’t think it was deemed flagrant b/c it involved no blow to the head.
And subtly, the ref’s probably saw previous interactions between the two players… hence, the double T when Eric did the fouling. Just a guess.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Feb 21, 2010 4:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I kind of agree...

I think it approached the line.

I know we’ve seen fouls like that “a thousand times,” but all games are called differently. Last night, I think that was flagrant.

by mrmondaynite on Feb 21, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Flagrant Fouls

Yes, More obvious calls happened at the end of the game against Vandy as UK players were headed for clear scores. I agree with Tru that the refs did a fair job this game but it was the announcers that really were lop-sided. (Although to Dicky V’s credit, he did complain that Cousiins was fouled with no call at one point. FIrst to ever remark that.)

by LyricSmith on Feb 21, 2010 5:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he did.

I wish announcers would stop inserting themselves into judgment calls when they clearly don’t know the rules that apply. It’s one thing to complain about a goaltend that becomes obvious on replay, or should have been obvious live, or an obviously excessive act like the player that punched the guy in the junk a year or two ago.

But announcers getting involved in the determination of what is a flagrant foul and what is not is absurd, and corrosive to the game. Just a few years ago, many of the acts that are now categorized as “flagrant” were just common fouls. The only fouls for which someone might be ejected from the game involved fighting.

A flagrant foul carries the penalty of ejection and thus must be very judiciously applied, because it affects not only the game but potentially the rest of a player’s career. But it seems that too many announcers are anxious to see flagrant fouls called, and that’s a shame.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2010 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

And announcers who suddenly become officials

have a tendency to spark “group think”. (i.e.Cousins in the Louisville game….kellogg and his incessant ‘that could be possible ejection’ and how nearly EVERYONE seemed to repeat Kellogg’s ejection mantra)

I think announcers getting involved in officiating is as absurd as an official jumping the table, grabbing the headset, and proceeding to announce the game. Hey….maybe that SHOULD happen at least once and maybe they (announcers) would realize how stupid they sound acting as officials!

by uk1982 on Feb 21, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Amen!!!

You and Brother Tru…Preach that Big Blue gospel! I am with you.

by LyricSmith on Feb 21, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, this game just wore ME out,

Can’t imagine what it did to those kids playing it!

Big game from Patrick. It really was a game for men tonight!

by BCinVA on Feb 20, 2010 9:51 PM EST reply actions  

CATS EMBODY THIS SAYING:

“You have two choices:
Find a way to win
or find excuses for losing.”

It’s that simple. Might be emotion, might be inexperience, might be poor shooting… but none of that matters when the W is in the bag.

As a game, it was as ugly as they get.

As a win, there’s nothing more beautiful than winning at Vandy. GO CATS!

I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

by KYguyinGA on Feb 20, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

They talked about the Vandy game in 1998 before the game on Oscar Combs show when Nazr made the running floater

 to beat Vandy at the last second….I was just praying Ogilvy does not have a running one hander…..lol

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 20, 2010 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

you better believe it

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 20, 2010 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That was my thought

the moment he blocked that shot, came down with the ball and got the foul. If he had a split second more he would have outrun the defense and ended that game with a dunk.

by kywineman on Feb 20, 2010 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes .... NPOY

To me, the NPOY should be more than just who has the best statistics .. that’s kind of a “football” thing (but that’s a different arguemant) …. NPOY should also take into account what a players team accomplishes … and how that player helps his team to succeed – my vote is with Mr. Wall – offensive and defensive POY plays at the end of the game.

by ukcris on Feb 20, 2010 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

hitting both free throws would have cemented it...

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Feb 21, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

You Said It!

Wall statistically did not have a great game but that play alone showed his will to win. I also loved his team above self effort in this game!

by LyricSmith on Feb 21, 2010 5:31 AM EST up reply actions  

When we miss that many shots and still win, people will just throw up their hands and give up.....lol

You know Bruce Pearl was watching this tongiht thinking, “yeah, they got your butts now”….and then JW does a little wave of his hand and we break his heart

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 20, 2010 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

Think I might be a bit behind ya, but I plan on catching up!! LOL

Not only do you have to wear the hat next time, but the family has to be decked out too!! :-)

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Feb 20, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Care

needs to be taken with that hat like a place of honor until the next game. I just had the final drink from a bottle of Booker single barrel I bought in January just to toast the wins. Who knew there would be so many….last year I had half a bottle left after the NIT run but Monday I have to get resupplied for this last run to the end…and what an end it is going to be. I should probably get two bottles so I can increase the toasts to include the win and your hat.

by CAWebb on Feb 20, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

This hat, believe it or not, has been almost everywhere I go.......My girls got it for me 3 years ago, so it wasnt new......

It is a little bit on the fancy side, because it is a 4 color hat, has 2 shades of gray, with blue and white. I wear it almost everyday, unless I am at work, and there I only wear it on Casual Fridays, or when there is a REALLY big game on Tuesday or Thursday, or Wednesday…….lol……..I just finished the last of a big bottle of Crown Royal, usually reserved solely for Victory Laps, which in this year’s case have been quite a few.

Taking the girls to go see the UK Hoops team today play SC at 3pm……….might have a reason to have another when I get home tonight!!!!……

I hope the liquor stores are open in Lexington on Sunday!!!!……I plan on celebrating twice again this next week.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 21, 2010 6:25 AM EST up reply actions  

It's been a while since we've

swept Vandy and it feels pretty good. We can make this a sweet threepeat next month IN NASHVILLE! Wonder if we could have the SEC finals moved across town to Memorial Gym? BTW – Don’t college teams play in Arenas, Centers and Halls? “Gym” sounds like a high school.

by hoboat33 on Feb 20, 2010 10:42 PM EST reply actions  

This game was SOOOO HUGE for us!

I’m so glad we swept Vandy in conference play this year since we’ve had to endure such humiliation from that Memorial Gym of Hell in the past few years! Overall, from a game of defense like this on both sides, it reminded me so much of a March Madness game due to the fact that both UK and Vandy were playing like the world depended on it. It wasn’t a pretty game but neither are most Tourney games anyways. PPat, Cousins, and Wall were epic today and I love the will to win within everyone on this team. CATS CATS CATS!

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by ukcat1982 on Feb 20, 2010 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

It’s definitely not the first time, but this season especially, I’ve gotten to the point where I would just rather turn the TV on mute and listen to the radio audio. And where the majority of our games are on ESPN—the Garden of Eden for Duke/UNC Alumni—it makes it that much worse.

And like you Tru, I too was wanting to choke Dickie V out too. Not only is EVERY person watching the game, nationwide, listening to what stupid things he has to say, but they believe it. Commentary for a basketball game is pointless. Just let them play, no one cares about how YOU see it, Dickie V!

Sorry, had to vent somewhere! Glad the Cats won a close one! Let’s put Downey in his place on Thursday!

by pinata89 on Feb 20, 2010 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

And not only

the announcing, but have you notice that ALL highlights (before and after the commercial breaks) are always the “positive” plays of our opponents. When they finally decide to show a UK highlight, it is usually one or two compared to 5 or 6 of our opponents.

by JJohn0110 on Feb 21, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry about it.

They can show all the good Vandy plays they want, it still doesn’t change the final score, a W for the Cats.

by UK1972 on Feb 21, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

And here's to

watching UK game highlights in April. Cheers!

by hoboat33 on Feb 21, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Radio for me ...

I was forced to listen to this one on the radio … the first half was all static until it got dark. Second half was crystal clear. Brought back memories of the late 70’s early 80’s for me.

by ukcris on Feb 20, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha, well lucky you.

Be glad you didn’t have to hear Dickie V’s annoying voice and Brad Nessler with his bias as well.

by pinata89 on Feb 20, 2010 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean..

It almost seemed as if Dickie V and Nessler were just as disappointed as Vandy players/fans were after the game. It’s ridiculous.

by pinata89 on Feb 20, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nessler I can take ...

Dickie V. I can only handle in small amounts …. sometimes I find it difficult to read him much less listen to him.

by ukcris on Feb 21, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

If Vitale was so anti-UK..

why would he pick them to face KU in the final? I was in Sarasota Fl. recently, and met him at the Broken Egg, and he talked about how talented the players were, and that Cal should be COY. I think we are so biased about are Cats that we can’t accept any negativaty at all.

by UK1972 on Feb 21, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Vitale ...

I don’t think he’s anti-UK …. I just find it hard to listen to the guy.

by ukcris on Feb 21, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I just think Vitale is .......

the stereotypical emotional Italian. He gets so wrapped up in the atmosphere and excitement of the game he can’t help himself. He’s pretty much an emotional chameleon….put him with any group of yelling fans and he becomes one of them and gets carried away.

by jpbluekat on Feb 21, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea

we had some friends at the game last night and they said he was hamming it up with the fans. He was really friendly and sweet. He is one of the good guys.

by tenken on Feb 21, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

This is why I thought it was so incredibly ironic that Vitale was talking last night about how Cousins needed to calm down and get his emotions in check. Give me a break. Pot, meet kettle.

by blue kentucky girl on Feb 21, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Better than listening to Jimmy Dykes. Honestly, I like Jimmy, but he can

break down my last nerve faster than anyone on the planet. Was so glad he was BN’s sidekick last night.

by bluegrassgal on Feb 21, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Dickie V isn't anti-UK

He’ pro-underdog. Unless Duke is involved, of course. But he loves excitement and that is more fundamental to explaining his behavior than any theory of perceived bias, IMHO. If great crowd is on hand, he loves the way the underdog either milks it or responds to it. Anyway, that’s my take.

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by SD_UK_FAN on Feb 21, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I like the guy. Yes he is un nerving at times but he truly loves the game. I really enjoy it when he does Kentucky games.

by tenken on Feb 21, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

So does

this mean a win on Thursday….we win the SEC outright?

by tenken on Feb 20, 2010 11:24 PM EST reply actions  

Two More

Vandy, if they win out, can go 13-3. If we are 13-3 we win the tiebreaker.

So one win and a Vandy loss, or two wins. It would be totally sweet if we could beat SCAR and Tennessee to clinch the SEC this week.

Vandy has Georgia, @Ark., @Florida, SCAR to go. We’ve got SCAR, @Tenn, @Georgia, Florida.

Very similar schedules with us having the tougher road games. It will be close, but if we hold serve at home, we got the crown.

by aidanpryde18 on Feb 21, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

As I understand it, we've basically got a "3" game lead over Vandy

because of tie-breakers.

Heh, you’ve got to feel for the dore’s on some level. They’d have probably walked away with this SEC campaign if it weren’t for Cal’s new tanks and air force. Historically, this only comes around for them once every ten – fifteen years or so.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Feb 21, 2010 4:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Brain cramp by Vandy

I’m a bit surprised this hasn’t been mentioned yet, but Beal totally blew it on Vandy’s next to last possession. In a game where a 2 wins, there is absolutely no reason not to drive the ball to goal. Beal helped UK by passing out to Jenkins for the three that Wall blocked.

As Bilas mentioned afterward, it’s unfair to lay the blame solely at Beal’s feet – in any close game there are always a number of plays throughout that could affect the outcome if they go a different way, but if I’m a Vandy fan that’s the one that haunts me, not the Ogilvy miss.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Feb 20, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

P2 and Pelphrey

P2’s defense on the last play made me think of Pelphrey against Duke – Ogilvy’s shot was practically uncontested.

Glad the Cats came out of that meat grinder with a win!

Really glad I won’t have to listen to Middle TN family gloat.

JandPsDad Bleedin' BLUE in NW Indiana

by JandPsDad on Feb 20, 2010 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

He Overplayed

the catch. Pelphrey played not to foul and Pat tried to be the hero with the interception, both were bad defensively. Neither fouled though and that is the important part. Make them hit the tough one, don’t let them go to the line and collect their breath.

by aidanpryde18 on Feb 21, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

How many ...

…times did the ball just leave Wall’s and Bledsoe’s hands today?

JandPsDad Bleedin' BLUE in NW Indiana

by JandPsDad on Feb 20, 2010 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

Way too many.

Also, I’m find myself getting very frustrated about Bledsoe’s posture. He can’t seem to stay off the floor. I don’t understand, the kid has real potential to be a beast in a UK uniform. But for Christ’s sake, stay on your feet!

by pinata89 on Feb 20, 2010 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

and cousins hands as well....

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Feb 21, 2010 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Lot's of balls were lost, mis-handled, bounced off of shoes, etc...

Don’t know if that’s a tribute to Vandy’s D or we were just sloppy???

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Feb 21, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

probably a combination...

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Feb 21, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, maybe so Memphis...

I thought anytime the guards got into the paint they were getting hacked, which may have lead to some of the lost balls. They need to recognize that it’s going to get ugly in there and be prepared to take the short jumper or pass it to the wing/post. Maybe “over-penetration” is the problem?? Somebody call Cal, will ya?? LOL

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Feb 21, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

If you can get his #,

tell him I’ll help teach Bledsoe and Orton to shoot free throws. Despite Coach’s disdain of working on the FTs, they can (and did for him) help decide games. We make 70% last night, Ogilvy/Laettner could have made the shot and it wouldn’t have mattered.

I can’t figure out why Bledsoe, all of a sudden a few games ago, started shooting FTs so flat-footed. Nothing but arms. He needs to look at some tape of Macy when he had hair. The man had great wrist/elbow/shoulder alignment and he used his whole body to shoot FTs. AND IT WORKED. It almost always does. Most other techniques don’t hold up under pressure.

FT shooting is like putting in golf. You’ve gotta have a routine/ritual that 1) involves solid technique, 2) takes your brain out of the loop, and 3) puts you in a confident place that you’ve been in thousands of times before. The actual free throw is nothing, the work required to develop that technique and ritual is hard.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Feb 21, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes Sir, will do!! :-)

Been a year of streaks on FT’s… Wall, overall, has been most consistent, but hacked a few last night. Cuz & PPat were awful at the beginning of the year, but have come around the turn in that regard (if you’ll throw out the MS ST game for Cuz, and that was a direct reflection of his mental state; frustrated!). EB & Ort started the season with good looks at the line, but have migrated south for some reason??

Your analogy is spot-on, it’s all about “muscle memory”, whether it’s hoops or golf. If you go with that thought process, PPat’s reason for being bad early in the season is a direct reflection of the bulk he put on over the summer! But, he’s obviously worked at it and his stroke is coming back on line. I think we talked about this earlier in the year… Cal fixed Cuz, I have all the confidence in the world that he’ll work with EB & Ort too…

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Feb 21, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Could be...

However, Cal has stated that they are going to practice less and less as the year goes on. Now what does that really mean?? Does that mean they are only going to do “full-speed” drills for half an hour now as opposed to an hour at the beginning of the season? Or does that mean the whole practice is going to be a half an hour?? Be nice to really know what he meant when he said that…

We can certainly put your thought to the test the next couple of weeks… We play Thursday night @ 9:00 and then have to play UT @ 12:00 on Saturday. Don’t forget, there’s a day of travel in that time frame. Pack up and head back home for a couple of days, travel to UGA on Wednesday for an 8:00 game. Finish out with the Gators on the next Sat @ noon. Be nice to track the FT % over this stretch and bump it against the season average! Where’s our stats monsters?? :-)

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Feb 21, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Orton is not confidence insspiring at the line

HIs misses were early last night. No tired legs excuse. It is to the point now that when he gets foulded, I just consider it a turnover. Sometimes though Cuz gets the O-rebound.

by JackBluto on Feb 21, 2010 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

In my experience ...

… free throws are all about confidence. When you are confident that you can make a 15-foot shot, you’ll shoot well from the line.

UK needs to shoot around 70% as a team. That’s generally good enough. Obviously, better is desirable, but free throws are 90% confidence and 10% routine.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree Tru to a degree, but...

if you are tired, your mechanics are going to be off, no matter how hard you are concentrating. I think they expended so much energy on defense, it caught up to them at the end. Bledsoe, and Wall don’t miss that many, ever. These guys need more rest than they are getting. It will catch up to them eventually.

by UK1972 on Feb 21, 2010 8:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Great Game Day Experience

New member here…My 13 year old son & I just got back from the game. We live in West TN. I grew up in Nashville so I’ve been to a lot of VU games. We got lucky today and arrived at the stadium just as UK was about to get off the team bus. We got a few pics of the guys. Scott Padgett stopped for a picture with my son. After inside, we were able to get to the floor and watch the team take the floor. I can’t tell you how impressed I was with how the guys seem to appreciate the fans. It can’t be easy to be 18-22 and be in the spotlight every step you take. During warmups Tony Delk took a pic with my son at the UK bench. We stayed at floor level for 10-15 minutes of warmups until some suit ran us off. Then, a brutal nailbiter for 40 minutes. This will be a day to remember for us. My son has sent tons of texts to show his friends how close he got to all the players.

by Jackson Cat Fan on Feb 21, 2010 12:07 AM EST reply actions  

Glad you enjoyed it

The connection between generations is what makes Kentucky basketball different from most others.

It's time. . .

by NYCCats on Feb 21, 2010 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes I think my son GETS IT

He commented today at Memorial…“Wow, Vandy has banners to show which years they made the NIT. We fired a coach for that.” Great observation. We all know it’s true, but to hear from a 13 yr old was pretty cool.

by Jackson Cat Fan on Feb 21, 2010 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

are

you in Jackson, TN? Me too :)

by tenken on Feb 21, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool!

Glad to have another Cat fan in Jackson…….we need as many as we can get.

by tenken on Feb 21, 2010 12:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Welcome to A Sea of Blue.

Thanks for the great comment.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow...What a huge week for our Cats. Comeback wins in extreme hostile facilities...SWEET!!!

These wins are the best case scenarios with the SEC and NCAA tournaments right around the corner. We really do have a chance to finish 1st in the conference and earn a #1 seed in the big dance.

As others have written…lets put the wood to the Gamecocks. GO BIG BLUE 26 AND 1.

by blue oregon on Feb 21, 2010 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

The best part

is the fact that no matter what anyone says, no game is tougher than when it is on the road. Games, for us at least, will be easy in the tournament since most times, we will have more fans there. Tourney games for us might as well be home games up until the Elite 8/FF rounds.

IF they can drop a team like Vandy and Miss St. in their place after having a bad game, I can’t wait to see them in some neutral matchups.

Now we just need to get our 3-point shooting back and we are nigh-unstoppable.

by aidanpryde18 on Feb 21, 2010 12:51 AM EST up reply actions  

FANS ...

Didn’t get to watch the game on TV but, on radio there were several times when Pratt and company would point out the UK fans shouting GO BIG BLUE over the Vandy fans.

And on radio you could hear this distinctly …. We do have the BEST fans where ever we go.

by ukcris on Feb 21, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

On the Post-Game Show

Cal mentioned that during one of the timeouts late in the game, he was telling the team how critical it was to hit the free throws, hit the easy shots, etc… if they were going to win the game. Patterson confidentally told Cal not to worry that they WERE going to WIN this game, that somebody on the team would make the shot or free throw to win the game. This team BELIEVES in their ability and that they will win, regardless of the circumstances. They have a winner’s mentality which will enable them to become NCAA Champs!

by bevcat on Feb 21, 2010 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

Bobby Knight

Anybody catch Bobby K on Gameday? Man was he pis….! Funny, the other announcers had to shut him up and then he started drawing damnations on his note pad. What a completely fun thing to watch. He hates us and well I am OK with that :-)

by LyricSmith on Feb 21, 2010 5:35 AM EST reply actions  

We can only hope......

that when the explosion comes it is on live TV and involves some implement of destruction like a chair. Oh, and just a suggestion for anyone who might be at a game, how about a sign with something like “Big Cuz …. more mature than the Little General”.

by jpbluekat on Feb 21, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Great stuff. Knight isn’t the only one who hates us, that’s for sure. But as the slogan reads, “EMBRACE THE HATE!”

When you’re as good as we are, you’re going to have many detractors. And some have really come out of the woodwork this year.

by pinata89 on Feb 21, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Bobby picked Kentucky to win...along with Hubert Davis, Jay Bilas it was Digger who picked Vandy.

Even Andy Katz is giving us post game props because of how me finished the last two games
on the hostile road.

by blue oregon on Feb 21, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

On a side note.......we need to not forget one of the people who would have loved this season, AND this team

more than almost anyone…….here’s to you Mr Keightley……..we still miss you! He would have kept Cal from calling that TO late.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 21, 2010 6:28 AM EST reply actions  

Tru...

How about a write up about the UK roadies. It was so wonderful to hear the “Go Big Blue” chant from the few UK fans who were fortunate enough to have tickets to the game last night. For that small of a support group to make that much noise for the Cats, to hear it on the TV, gave me goosebumps. Can’t say enough about fan support this year. Hats off to them!

by UK1972 on Feb 21, 2010 8:35 AM EST reply actions  

PPat's determination

One thing that really pleased me was how PPat was playing. When he got the ball in the post, he had that bounce to him that I haven’t seen all year. The bounce that shows he’s hungry for the ball and has the confidence to put it in the bucket. Another double double!

by VACatfan on Feb 21, 2010 9:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

+1

For sure… He missed a few chippies, but he made the 3 that was the back-breaker and that’s what we all want to see from him!! “Be the man…”

And something in regards to the chemistry question… Anyone notice that when JW made a good play PPat was there to chest-bump, dap, etc?? And that street went both ways, after a good PPat play JW was making eye contact, head-bob, etc. Those two were really communicating yesterday and that’s a great thing!!

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Feb 21, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Game Thoughts

I got to hand it to Coach Cal for admitting the mistake of calling timeout. I about fell out of my chair we he called it.

Even though both Bledoe and Cousins are volatile I love their emotion and toughness. I like their attitude of not taking crap from anyone which means the days of the Wildcats being the Mildcats are offically over. And you can begin the “it will cost us a game” replies.

Patrick Patterson was a monster. He has to lead the way in order for this team to make a lot of noise.

Wall was,well,John Wall. That block,not Patterson’s shot,was the play of the game. To have the guts to even try a block at that stage of the game is unreal for any player but especially a freshman. And then to come up with the ball too?? Come on…amazing.

The officials were bad on both ends. So what else is new?? But of course only the bad calls or missed calls on Vandy were talked about by the esteemed ESPN announcers. Again,what else is new??

Only caught a glimpse,and maybe somebody else has mentioned this,but did anybody see Bobby Knight scribbling furiously on a notepad when Bilas and company were talking about the UK-Vandy game after it was over?? Did he ever make a comment? Just wondering.

This was a HUGE win on the road and a great roadtrip in general. GO CATS!!

by maysvilleblue on Feb 21, 2010 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

Congratulations on the win

I hope we get another shot at you in the SEC tournament. I’m sure y’all feel the same way.

As for Bledsoe’s foul – I’m certain y’all disagree – it was WAY outside the lines of a “basketball play”. Flagrant at least, borderline ejection worthy. I’m not sure how what he did – throwing his wrist at Jeff Taylor’s throat – is somehow less offensive than throwing an elbow on a clearout. Jeff was playing great defense and had just thrown down a monster slam. I thought that was a chickenshit call by the officials, who despite those types of plays being points of emphasis this season have let them go. (Not just talking UK-Vandy, JP Prince got away with an obvious backhand slap on Andre Walker, the result being a double-tech in some vague way). Bottom line: UK was very lucky that it was called a double-tech, cause all of us know it could have gone either way. I sure would have loved 2 extra freethrows, considering the final score.

I couldn’t believe Cal called that timeout at the end. That said, if AJ hits that shot to send it to overtime, I disagree with Cal and think y’all would have won. We just couldn’t stop Cousins. If AJ picks up his fifth, Cousins eats Joe Duffy’s lunch.

by KingJamesIV on Feb 21, 2010 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

Well

the refs let that ALOT of physical play last night from both sides. I saw clear charges that weren’t called. on the both sides. The refs really have been letting them play at times and then nit picky about fouls.

by tenken on Feb 21, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Consistently Inconsistent

I’ll agree 100%.

At least the refs did not decide this game.

Though I’m not happy about the outcome, that was a game for the ages.

by KingJamesIV on Feb 21, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Appreciate the congrats

On the lighter side, if Bledsoe had been tossed it might not have made much difference; he had a horrible game.

by hoboat33 on Feb 21, 2010 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not according to the coach.

Her liked Bledsoe’s defense more than his poorer offensive output.

by UK1972 on Feb 21, 2010 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I have to disagree

about the great defensive play of Taylor. He had Bledsoe wrapped up and held him as he tried to get around him.

by kywineman on Feb 21, 2010 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

If I could edit my comment, I’d take out the ejection worthy part.

by KingJamesIV on Feb 21, 2010 5:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Not only do I disagree ...

… I profoundly disagree about the Bledsoe call. And Bledsoe clearly pushed him in the chest, not the throat.

Basketball is becoming a game for children. When I played, a foul like that usually went uncalled unless it escalated. There is no doubt that it was a foul, and it was called a foul. To call it “bordeline ejection worthy” is … well, it’s just mistaken, pure and simple.

Ejections should never, ever happen absent a blow or some sort of conduct so potentially dangerous or unethical that it is required in order for the official to get control of the game. A shove like that in the half-court live-ball situation should never be anything more than a common foul, or at worst, an intentional foul. You have to remember that ejections have ramifications for the team and for the young person in question that cannot and should not be taken lightly, nor should ejections be handed out for simple pushing and shoving.

Let’s remember that this is called “Men’s basketball,” not freaking tiddlywinks. I think Vanderbilt complaints about this are chickenshit whining, and unworthy of them. Good grief, guys, pull your panties up and quit singing soprano. :-)

I’d love to see the ’Cats and the ’Dores meet again in the tourney. Why not? I think Vandy and Kentucky are the two best teams in the league, and when Florida claimed that second spot, I always used to relish playing them three times in the year. Yesterday was a great game, and Vanderbilt gave a great account of themselves.

I wasn’t really enamored of all the anti-Kentucky crap going on over at AoG, but then again, I suppose that’s a case where I should pull my panties up a bit. You’d think by now I’d be used to it. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2010 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

As a women, should I be offended

that you’re equating panties-wearing with chickenshit whining? Ah well…guess this is a pull up the panties moment for me ; )

by blue kentucky girl on Feb 21, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

While Tru's

comments may not be exactly PC, I second his emotions.

by kywineman on Feb 21, 2010 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh.

Yeah, I thought about that. Then I chucked the PC out the window and said the heck with it. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2010 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

One Further

Undergarments notwithstanding, I’ll go further and say we, as UK fans need to speak out vehemently against the PR campaign against us. How many “hard” fouls with no play on the ball must players in blue endure with the only difference being the reviews at the monitors or the number of slow-motion replays by ESPN?
Patterson was goal-tended: No call, no mention by the announcers
Wall was NOT fouled after he made the block shot
Cousins, Patterson, and Wall all were victims of shoulder graps with no possibility of contact with the ball…Clearly intentional. No mention by the media.
Olgilivy Clearly was directing taunts at Cousins ( the one time to 50) he finally got the best of him: No Technical. No mention on air.
And Bledsoe did push-off on offense, a foul nothing more. Had the Vandy player been a little stronger or not off-balance it would not have appeared as bad as it was.
Now, Do I think in any of these cases the ref’s made bad calls? No, I think they made the right call. I am just tired of the media and the haters claiming how UK is the beneficiary of bias calls….Please.

by LyricSmith on Feb 21, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah ...

… it has drawn my ire, too, which is why I reacted so strongly.

I’m tired of ESPN announcers lobbying for flagrant calls when one is clearly not justified. I am tired of seeing these announcer dudes feeding a national perception that UK players take cheap shots. They do take shots, of course, but no more so than others. These are young men, and young men sometimes let testosterone overwhelm their reason, and it happens every year to every team.

I am done with these things, and one can only embrace so much hate. At some point, the taunts and ridiculous announcer comments become fighting words, and we are near that point.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 21, 2010 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

tru, did you see Bledsoe's other push?

The one that happened after a foul call and a Vandy player was falling and Bledsoe gave him a two handed assist? It looked like Bledsoe “helped him” to the floor. But no one except maybe Stallings and the Vandy bench saw it.

by JackBluto on Feb 21, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

No.

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by Truzenzuzex on Feb 22, 2010 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

well, King,

I’m only going to comment on one of your points (others have already addressed your comments about Bledsoe and there is really no need for me to pile on any further : ) — and what I want to comment on is this:

“I hope we get another shot at you in the SEC tournament. I’m sure y’all feel the same way.”

And to that, I say — Sure, why not? We beat you at our house, we beat you at your house, and although the SEC tourney is being held in Nashville at the Sommet Center, there’s really no reason to think that we shouldn’t be able to hold our own against you on a semi-neutral floor, as well, so yes, I would most certainly welcome another opportunity to meet up with the ’Dores. It would be great fun.

Oh, and thanks for the Congrats. I thought our boys did great, too….. ; )

by BigSkyCat on Feb 21, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of LSU years back (Shaq years maybe)

We played them 3 times when normally we would only face them twice max (reg season and SECT) … NCAA thought it would be cool to put us in the same region – I think they beat us all three times

by ukcris on Feb 21, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope

that I don’t meet you in a dark ally some day :)

by tenken on Feb 21, 2010 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Sommet Center-

Would be a neutral floor. I went to a SEC tourney game there a few years ago. I went with a friend from work who was a UT fan. UT was playing Alabama, I think. UK didn’t play that day and the place was covered up in blue and white… GO CATS!!!

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Feb 22, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to have to call "Bull".

There is no way that I’m the only person here that doesn’t want to meet Vandy again.

by bob in bg on Feb 22, 2010 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

We match up great with them.

But I don’t think our defense was entirely responisble for their poor 3-point shooting.

We really stole that one down there.

Our third meeting this year will be on a neutral court, quite possibly in the SEC Tournament championship (if we both make it that far).

It will be a barn-burner, but I’d still rather face somebody else.

by bob in bg on Feb 23, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

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