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It's Kentucky Fans' Turn in the Barrel

"Just my turn in the barrel."  That's what we used to say when one of my former bosses would get mad at one of us.  He would give us the cold shoulder, cast disparaging glances at us and generally make our lives miserable.

So now, Kentucky fans, it's time to join Louisville fans in the barrel.  Just a couple of days after rumors of Rick Pitino's interest in the New Jersey Nets coaching job, comes now rumors that the Nets might just offer ... Coach Cal!

Be still, my beating heart!

CBS' Gary Parrish makes the case for Calipari's possible charge back into the pro game and return of Kentucky to Head Coach Limbo:

Nobody would deny that the Kentucky job is better than the Memphis job, but I'm not sure the UK job is better than the Nets job, particularly if the Nets get the No. 1 pick and have a chance to lure James. What Calipari would be comparing is having to recruit 17-year-olds while opposing fans call him a cheater and columnists raise doubts about the legitimacy of any accomplishments, to perhaps coaching John Wall (possible No. 1 pick in the 2010 NBA Draft) and LeBron James (possible Net via free agency) in the New York market for an owner who has deep pockets and is determined to win.

Advantage: Nets.

Don't look at me -- maybe he's right.  I have no idea what Calipari will do, probably because he has been here such a short time.  But trust me -- it does not take a leap of logic to believe that Calipari might want to prove to the NBA that he can coach there, too.  Who knows, he might particularly relish being rehired for big bucks by the team that fired him, an experience that was apparently the driving force behind his book, Bounce Back.

Star-divide

I know, I know -- different owners, different administration, different situation -- but the same fans, the same league, and there are bound to be other connections to what Coach Cal seems to suggest is one of the defining moments in his life.  How sweet would it be to go back to the place that fired you and win an NBA championship?   With LeBron and Wall, that scenario is very, very real if the pieces could be made to fit together.

Now, you know that Louisville, Memphis, Kansas and North Carolina fans, among many others, are just down on their knees with hands pressed together in fervent, heartfelt prayer that this scenario comes true.  Not only would Kentucky suffer archetypal poetic justice for Calipari's departure from Memphis, but it would validate all their perceptions of Calipari as nothing more than a mercenary salesman who has all the ethical values of Hans Gruber from the movie, Die Hard.

In fact, the plethora of articles about this possibility indicate that this is just what many in the sports media were hoping for, and the Pitino story was little more than a prelude to the main event.  Here are a few just for fun:

Heh.  Well, get used to it, Kentucky fans.  No matter what is really going on in Coach Cal's mind, we are going to be living with this for however long Calipari is on the sidelines at UK.  Most of us will calm our fears with rationale that includes, "He doesn't want to go back to that pressure-cooker," and, "The Nets were the team that fired him, for Gods sake!" and, "This stuff has been going on for years while he was at Memphis," and, "Coach Cal wouldn't do that to us!  This is his dream job!"

Rest assured, Kentucky fans, you do not know what he will do, and neither do I. But unless Kentucky hires an alumni as head coach, one that is so in love with the program and the state that nothing could lure him away, these rumors will surface every single year ad infinitum.

Might as well get used to it, expect the best, and prepare for the worst.  Because ... It.  Could.  Happen.

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I Thought The Big Rumor Yesterday Was Coach K????

Now I find out it’s Coach Cal. Oh no!!!!!! Really,I don’t think there is reason for concern although you can never say never. But why would he go back to New Jersey of all places? The place where he failed? Just to prove a point? I don’t see it. He is on top of the world right now and has it made. But I’m sure UL fans are happy about this. Or were they more happy hoping Ricky P. would take the job?? Just wondering…

by maysvilleblue on Feb 14, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

Rumor: A statement or report current without known authority for it's truth.

Tru, you are correct get used to the rumors…only Cal knows for sure.

Someone on ASOB last week noted how Coach Cal has visibly aged since last spring.

 IMO, the only way Cal leaves KY is because the job as the Head Coach of Kentucky begins to effect his health…like Gator football Coach. Coach Cal does look tired these days. IMO, Coach Cal had to double up his 1st year efforts to reestablish “the brand” which he has done beautifully…however there is mental and physical price to pay for these efforts.

by blue oregon on Feb 14, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

He is 50 or 51 isn't he?

I mean, he’s not gonna look like he’s 35 forever. I’m not saying he doesn’t have a pressure cooker job…..a lot of it could just be natural aging.

by uk1982 on Feb 14, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Paraphrasing The Old Babe Ruth Quote About Herbert Hoover

Calipari has a tougher job than President Obama.

PS for those who never heard it before – When Babe Ruth was asked why he should earn $80K salary (which was more than President Hoover at the time), he said I Had A Better Year Than Hoover Did.

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 14, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Cal looks fantastic.

I wish I looked that good. He is my age.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 14, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Cal looks very tired, take a good look Cal at the pressers right before practices on Youtube.

Like ABC wrote Cal has given 110 percent since Day 1. A few weeks off after the season should revitalize him.

For the record he is my age as well.

by blue oregon on Feb 14, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Cal looks good for his age-

He doesn’t seem stressed to me. I’m 52, and have worked 12 hour shifts at Bridgestone for 20 years. You should see what that will do for ya…LOL!

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Feb 14, 2010 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Tired does not mean stressed. Tired means fatigued. There are only 24 hours a day...

to resurrect the Kentucky brand…which he has hands down. Hopefully in the next few years he has less foundation work to do :)

by blue oregon on Feb 14, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Kentucky Brand mention...

Tonight on the NBA AllStar game. Coach Cal and Kentucky Basketball got a positive mention from Doug Collins concerning John Wall, Derrick Rose and Tyrek
Evans.

Doug Collins said that Coach Cal could walk into any point guard’s home and recruit players to Kentucky with the examples of the three players listed above.

by blue oregon on Feb 14, 2010 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Occam's razor

comes to mind so many times in assessing situations. This stated simply is that in all cases – the principle that all other things being equal, the simplest explanation is to be preferred.

If Coach Cal is truly enjoying this experience and this job, he should continue to do this job well. Big if of course but at some point one has to trust what is said and not go too far into explaining what is not said. I certainly struggle with this…because I can totally explain why Hubert Davis says what he does in the way he says it. Better choice, listen, learn and move on. The result of applying this principle is that every time something comes up one has a new choice even if the situation looks the same. It never is.
 
That holds true for the simplest behavior too…this focus would be something DC could use. If you have to play a basketball game, just play the game you are in.

by CAWebb on Feb 14, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

This takes me back to the Pitino years

When every other year we had to worry about him leaving to go to the NBA.

by uk1982 on Feb 14, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly ...

… as it should. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 14, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I guess that's a positive for the Gillispie years

Never had to worry about our coach leaving for the NBA! ;-)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Feb 15, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

If Cal goes

Who do you get? Does the program develop a coach and hire ,say, Travis Ford? Or do we look for a superstar like Calipari? Is there even one who would take the job that is not already gainfully employed? Obviously Billy D’s game has worn thin; do we still want him? Even though he won back to back NC’s, he has not proved he could sustain historic UK levels of success at Fl.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Feb 14, 2010 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

Travis Ford? Please.

We have already tried the “young, up and coming coach” and that led to “the era of which we shall not speak”. Ford should not be considered for anything other than an assistant here until he proves something somewhere else.

by wklawdog on Feb 14, 2010 8:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus one - agree with every word wklawdog said. No Ford, Pelphrey or any other

“unproven” guys for this team should the unthinkable happen and Coach Cal leaves.

by bluegrassgal on Feb 14, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

he has the ego of ricky p

by Bluehound on Feb 14, 2010 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

any ideas

let’s hope that Cal stays,but i’m fishing for a suitable name here..I would proffer Dan Issel prior to BCG, but he may be too old now..

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Feb 15, 2010 8:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Plenty of names

Jay Wright from Villanova. Jamie Dixon from Pitt. Sean Miller from Arizona (previously at Xavier).

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Feb 15, 2010 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Wright has rejected us twice - he isn't leaving Villanova.

Dixon or Miller maybe. I would have supported going after Miller had Cal rejected us.

by JackBluto on Feb 15, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I've never heard that Wright rejected us

Lots of speculation on things, but I’ve never heard anything to indicate we ever approached Wright.

By all accounts our last coaching search was Donovan —> Calipari. The search before that was much more problematic, but I never heard Wright’s name come up then either.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Feb 15, 2010 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Your tone is hard to discern here, Tru.

For the first time I can remember, you’ve authored something that (implicitly) approaches anti-Calipari (which might be too strong of a characterization, but I think you understand what I’m saying).

by mrmondaynite on Feb 14, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

You misunderstood.

I was just observing. I want him to stay forever, or at least until I am too old to enjoy Wildcat basketball, whichever comes first. :-)

I am quite pro-Calipari. I would be very sad if he left. Hard to imagine otherwise, since I have spent such an inordinate amount of time defending him.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 14, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you on everything there.

Reading it again, I see you’re talking about the price we have to pay for having such a talented and sought-after coach.

by mrmondaynite on Feb 14, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Tru..

Didn’t Cal say in his first presser, which now seems a long time ago, that there were only a few (or less) jobs in the NBA better than the UK job? I can’t see the Nets as one of those.

by UK1972 on Feb 14, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I could not agree more.

But that job could look a lot better if the Nets get the #1 draft pick (a decent chance) and are able to persuade LeBron James to leave Cleveland (a non-zero but I think somewhat unlikely possibility).

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 15, 2010 6:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd be surprised if he left so soon

While Cal has clearly bounced around (back?) a bit, he doesn’t have a history of switching jobs in a hurry. He has publicly stated that he won’t be coaching here in 10 years, so at some point he will move on. But I think that is 3 or 4 years hence, at least.

Besides, the Nets job is only good based on a lot of “ifs” – if they get the #1, if they can sign LeBron, and if they can ever get their new arena built. I’m not sure “advantage: Nets” is that clear cut.

It's time. . .

by NYCCats on Feb 14, 2010 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

I'm glad to hear this rumor.

Because it confirms that we have a good coach, one who other teams covet. Kind of like having good players, like Wall and Cousins. We never had these rumors with Gillespie; do you want to go back to those days?

by cmadler on Feb 14, 2010 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

It's the usual stuff ...

… that we can expect to hear every year, maybe multiple times a year.

Get used to it. But never forget — It can happen.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 14, 2010 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

cue the echo machine

and spooky voice:

“IT-T-T-T- C-C-C-A—A-A-A-N-N-N-N H-H-H-H-H-A-A-A-A-P-P-P-E-E-E-E-E-N-N-N-N-N-N!”

:)

We’re doomed.

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but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.

by bluecrip on Feb 14, 2010 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha!!

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 15, 2010 6:53 AM EST up reply actions  

The case that the NBA is more prestigious

Is getting harder to make. Watching grown men stand around, pro players who ARE NOT ready, Iverson making the All-star game, etc; just makes the NBA less and less significant to me. Everyone is saying that the NBA drafts on potential, but I am saying that is ruining the “PRO” game; IE if you are not a pro, how can you play at a pro level? Is only being faster and jumping higher a talent, as far as BBall is concerned? What does that mean for the kids who are being told hard work is the way to go? They are consistently being show that is wrong.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Feb 14, 2010 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

It does me too.

I really can’t bear to watch it, even during the playoffs, and I can’t put my finger on why. I can’t feel that strongly about zone defenses, can I?

Well, this (meaning Cal-to-NBA rumors) sucks, and has really caught me off guard. I had gotten complacent, I guess—I was thinking we had an amazing coach, and yet wouldn’t have to worry about drama about him maybe leaving. I was assuming since he’d already had a bad experience in the NBA, there was little to no chance of him leaving for those pastures again—and we have the luxury at UK not to have to really be worried about our coach going to another NCAA team (though Smith proved it’s not impossible, of course). The way Tru and the other articles explain it, though, I can totally see how it is not out of the realm of possibiilty that there are scenarios where he could be tempted to try the Association out again. Sucks to have that drama and handwringing, but I guess we should be thankful to have a coach so successful that it is talked about? Okay…endeavoring to be thankful…

by blue kentucky girl on Feb 14, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The NBA doesn't have the heart and soul of college hoops.

It’s all about egos and money and all that jazz. College is just so much more exciting, there seems to be more passion. But on the flip side I don’t feel the same way about the NFL as I do the NBA…I enjoy the NFL.

by uk1982 on Feb 14, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the "hip hop" influence

Has made the NBA an image as opposed to substance league. The NFL is way better than the nba

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Feb 15, 2010 8:18 AM EST up reply actions  

it doesn't have the heart and soul

Just the money. And let’s face it. Money is influential.

by JackBluto on Feb 15, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I will take Cal for as long as he is willing to stay. And if that is just one year, then so be it.

The man has given this job and this school and this Commonwealth 110% since day one. He has restored the fans faith, and the players hopes. He has made life in Kentucky a little bit better every day he has been here. We could not have asked for more.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 14, 2010 4:36 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I would say

that he will not let this rumor linger very long as it could really throw a wet blanket on recruiting.

by kywineman on Feb 14, 2010 5:27 PM EST reply actions  

Teaching

is one of the things that Cal seems to like to do. And it’s hard to teach NBA players anything, for the most part. I think he understands that.

by sprink on Feb 14, 2010 7:11 PM EST reply actions  

NBA = National Boredom Association

No team play, no defense, no real emotion not tied to millions of dollars…what’s to like, honestly?

Ironically, the same could be said of pro baseball, but I love MLB (college baseball bores me like NBA hoops does)- guess it’s the history of both games (college hoops, MLB) that intrigues me.

All I ever track in NBA is what former UK players are doing.

The answer to all this Coach Cal going to the NBA worrying is: live in the here and now people… your worry will not influence his thoughts one bit. Don’t be inefficiently exercise your emotions- work them only when they may logically influence outcomes!

I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.

by KYguyinGA on Feb 14, 2010 8:18 PM EST reply actions  

I'm the same way

I love MLB baseball, so my ambivalence to the NBA isn’t because it’s professional…shrug. I guess you just like what you like.

by blue kentucky girl on Feb 14, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

why would he leave ???

he has it made here, plenty of money, prestiege, more popular than anyone….he saw the mistake Ricky P made, he wont make the same mistake…….the super bowl is the only pro game of any sport I ever watch, and most of the time not all of it…lol

by Bluehound on Feb 14, 2010 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

but i mean he will probably get full control. but if he does leave i will consider him as traitor

by Lancers25 on Feb 15, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we all agree that Cal's a VERY smart guy?

Name a college coach that’s succeeded in the NBA…….take your time……yeah, there isn’t one. Cal is waaaaaaaay too smart to make the same mistake twice. I will make a “Grasslands” type guarantee here and say Cal will NEVER leave UK for the NBA….it just won’t happen.

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Feb 14, 2010 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

I want to agree with you because

it just sounds good, and makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside =)

Remember also, Pitino was a lot younger when he left us for the Celtics. Calipari is 51. In my very humble opinion I think UK will be his final coaching job. (at least i hope so!)

by uk1982 on Feb 14, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

In my humble opinion.....Pitino's ego had a LOT to do with him

leaving UK. I also think he realizes and has publicly said that is was a big mistake on his part. Some of the earlier posters were remarking on Cal looking older….well try coaching spoiled multimillionaires through 82 games. He might leave UK for a variety of reasons but NEVER to go to the NBA.

Before it’s said….I know….opinions are like a-holes and everyone has one but this is a pretty logically based opinion.

You can't fix "stupid"!

by UKlvrJM on Feb 14, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, and ...

… Taking over a legendary NBA program like the Celtics is one thing. The Nets don’t qualify for that distinction.

The big driver in this scenario would be if LeBron left Cleveland for NJ.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 15, 2010 6:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Remember... Pitino thought he'd have Tim Duncan and Keith Van Horn on his team in Boston

And he tried to trade for Scotty Pippen, but wasn’t willing to give up Antoine Walker. Its easy to take a job thinking that you’ll get the top draft pick and be able to land a big name vet, but you could just end up with the number 4 pick and a lot of spare cash.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Feb 15, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

so THAT'S why he's been buddying up with Wall

It’s all a big conspiracy between Cal (future coach) Wall (#1 pick) and Lebron James(leaving for the Nets) hahahaha just kidding! I hope!

by uk1982 on Feb 15, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

This is simply salacious.

It’s all completely beside the point. UK is UK, and it always will be with or without John Calipari. Sometimes a “story” is no a story. It’s only bloggers and real sports writers manufacturing the stuff. In the case of bloggers, they sometimes deserve the bad rep for repeating bad journalism. In this case, silence would have been by far the best optioon.

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by SD_UK_FAN on Feb 14, 2010 10:26 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm.

Well, all I can say about that is, “Was UK still UK when coach Gillispie was here?”

There are only so many perfect fits out there, and getting them is really, really hard.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 15, 2010 6:56 AM EST up reply actions  

That's a great question

Is UK always UK?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Feb 15, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

No, Some Examples

UK struggled in the 1960’s (1 FF in 10 seasons), 1980’s (1 FF in 10 seasons), and 2K’s (0 FF in 10 seasons).

by FortyYearCatFan on Feb 15, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

But we played in memorable losses

We made history (as losers) in 1966. Then we made only 3 shots in an entire half in our 80’s final four game. And we lost to Michigan State in the Elite Eight seven times in the 2000’s.

by JackBluto on Feb 15, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Really?

Actually while I appreciate the “props” you give us, MSU has played UK in the NCAA tournament exactly once in the 2000’s. You are correct it was an Elite Eight battle with UK that propelled us to our Final Four match up with UNC. MSU has been able to make “only” 5 Elite Eights in the naughts. We’re 4-1 in those match-ups (A loss to Texas in Texas), unfortunately not the 7-0 that you suggest. We did play in the elite Eight in 1999, but this falls outside the timeline you have suggested.

by MSULaxer27 on Feb 15, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would he?

I think we can all agree that College basketball >Pro basketball. I’ll watch a pro game now and then, but usually as background noise while I’m doing something else.

Even though we all know to never say never, I don’t understand why Calipari (or Pitino for that matter) would go back to the pro game.

It seems to me that there are college coaches and pro coaches. Can you imagine Phil Jackson on the recruiting trail, or having to babysit a bunch of 18-yr-olds? Calipari is a college coach, and I think he’s smart enough to realize that.

However, ego is a powerful force, so you never know…

by don'tshootmei'macard on Feb 14, 2010 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

I devoutly hope neither of them go anywhere.

It’s going to be way too much fun to watch them going up against one another in the coming years.

by blue kentucky girl on Feb 15, 2010 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I just

don’t buy it. I think five years from now with a very successful run at Kentucky, I think its possible but Cal doesn’t want to leave with negativity. There will always be a John Wall that he could take with him to the pros. Cal knows he would be very hated in this state if he left aka Rick Pitino. I just don’t see it. I am not worried at all. He is not stupid like Kiffin and would cut and run.

by tenken on Feb 15, 2010 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

Also

the Nets is the Detroit Lions of NBA from what I understand. He has already been there done that and bought the tshirt. Doesn’t want to go back again. Now say the Lakers……..might be a different story five years down the road. These sports pundits are always going to put his name out there when something comes open and I FOR SURE don’t think Lebron goes to the Nets.

by tenken on Feb 15, 2010 1:26 AM EST reply actions  

Nets =/= Lions

Not even remotely. The Nets were in the playoffs as recently as a couple of years ago and were playing for NBA titles more recently than Kentucky has been to the Final Four.

The Nets are bad this year because the NBA is inherently set up to reward failure. They jettisoned everything of value on their roster over the last two years with their eyes set firmly on the free agent class coming up this summer. LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, and many others are all available this summer. As a side benefit to freeing up cap space, they are terrible on the court this year which will get them the best chance at winning the lottery.

The Nets are nowhere near equivalent to the Lions. The closest NBA allegories would probably be the Clippers or the Grizzlies, and even both of those teams have had tastes of success lately.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Feb 15, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Tru,

I was out of town for the last couple weeks, and wonder if any recruits were in attendance the last 2 games, and if so, any feedback?

by UK1972 on Feb 15, 2010 7:09 AM EST reply actions  

I have not heard.

But I am confident there were some.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 15, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

NBA Is Better Basketball

Than college — on anywhere else for that matter. It may not have the spirit, atmosphere and youthful exuberance but as far as strategy, tactics, adjustments, preparation — talent being a given of course — the NBA is basketball at its best — and after soccer/futbol the world’s most popular sport That being so it presents the ultimate challenge to a coach who’s driven to prove himself.

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by Wild Weasel on Feb 15, 2010 11:47 AM EST reply actions  

I could not agree less.

I see much better basketball in the NCAA. The NBA has jimmied the rules to make it all about scoring.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 15, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, no zone defense is a plus

But, I totally agree with Tru, here. NBA better than college? Maybe to some, but the NBA is in no way superior basketball. Both dilute each other to a point where college basketball can never get to a point of having Senior Day for John Wall, Boogie and Bledsoe. The NBA is hurt by having kids try to develop under massive contracts and expectations. Sometimes it works out (Rose, Durant, Paul), but many times not.

The NBA really will be always about star players putting butts in the seats and rarely about anything historically meaningful (save the Celtics and Lakers). College basketball at it’s best during March has to be the most enjoyable concoction of desire, emotion and teams executing a game plan. Nothing, in my opinion, can approach it.

Now, please just don’t make it a 96 team tourney, right Tru?

by kyeric on Feb 15, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

well...

The talent is far better, obviously, and I don’t discount this as an important factor. There is something to be said for watching a true genius, the very best in the world, do their thing. I’d rather see the spirit, atmosphere, etc, than clinical basketball dominance, but I get it—to each his own and whatnot. And I do agree that in a way it is the ultimate challenge for a coach, to work at the tip-top of the profession, in the most celebrated capacity, for the most money and with the best talent. I don’t blame college coaches for having NBA dreams any more than I would a small business owner wanted to lead a huge company, or a Senator striving to be president. It’s no crime to be ambitious for what is considered the top of your field. But I couldn’t disagree more that NBA is BASKETBALL, as a sport, at its best, “as far as strategy, tactics, adjustments, preparation” goes. I think this is completely bass ackwards.

by blue kentucky girl on Feb 15, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

U.S. College Basketball ...

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by Wild Weasel on Feb 15, 2010 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Oops!

Is not only inferior to the NBA but overall is subordinate in quality, intricacy and skill to many other international versions of the sport. If that was not the case then why wouldn’t World Championships and Olympics be dominated by college players. Furthermore:

… always about star players putting butts in the seats …

And college isn’t?
Additionally:
… and rarely about anything historically meaningful …

Try explaining that to LeBron James and Dwayne Wade.

I would post from HOF’er Dr. Jack Ramsay, saying effectively: There is more coaching in an NBA game than in an entire college season. I would also post his 12 steps for basketball success:

1. Basketball, like every other sport, is predicated on the execution of the fundamentals.
2. The coach is a teacher; his subject is the fundamentals.
3. The highest level of achievement is attained by the teams with the best conditioned players.
4. Even the greatest players have a level of improvement to achieve.
5. Even the greatest players accept coaching and value the need for discipline and the order that it brings to the team.
6. Winning is more related to good defense than good offense.
7. Break-down drills, under simulated game conditions, are essential to team success.
8. Teams that play together beat those with superior players who play more as individuals.
9. There are no physical limits to individual achievement.
10. Although the game has become more sophisticated, simpler is better in developing and teaching a system of play.
11. Players draw confidence from a poised, alert coach who anticipates changing in game conditions.
12. Teams that never concede defeat can accomplish incredible victories.

All this is not to say I don’t enjoy college basketball, why else would i watch dozens of games per week? But to say the NBA isn’t superior to NCAA is to deny the obvious.

"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom" - Hayek

by Wild Weasel on Feb 15, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

But it will never have the heart of College Basketball Weasel.......

I watch the pros some and marvel at what they can do, but the game has no heart……

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 15, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The NBA may have superior players

But the effort and excitement pales compared to NCAA div 1.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Feb 15, 2010 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Bah.

I do not agree.

What I see in the NBA is an offense to the game of basketball and homage to pure athleticism. That’s all. There is very little actual coaching in the day-to-day NBA, just personnel and ego management.

I admire the athleticism, but I deplore having to call it “basketball.”

For the most part, I just can’t stomach it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Feb 15, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I hate to be blunt

However, the NBA blows goats.

That is all, carry on…

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Feb 15, 2010 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

What Those Who Know Say

Rick Pitino:

“From the number of decisions a coach has to make, using the clock as a weapon, out-of-bounds plays, substitution patterns, everything,” says Pitino, “much more coaching goes on in the pro game.”

Dr. Jack Ramsay:
“I’ve seen guys who were head college coaches come into the NBA as assistants, and they are literally in a state of shock for two months. Their mouths are hanging open. They cannot believe the level of play, and they cannot believe the level of coaching required.”

Larry Brown:
“The 24-second clock is the main thing that makes bench coaching much more difficult in the NBA.” “In the pros, there are so many changes of possession and so many decisions, it’s impossible to plan for everything.”

There is much more, read it here.

"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom" - Hayek

by Wild Weasel on Feb 15, 2010 9:11 PM EST reply actions  

There is more coaching

When players are not prepared physically, or in their personal game,to face grown men in the highest level of Basketball; there has to be more coaching.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Feb 16, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course Caliperi isn't going to the NBA

He hasn’t had enough time to cheat recruit cheat his way into having to leave after a magical final four run. Not quite yet. ;-) Anyways, first time really getting around since Saturday: good win for the ‘Cats. The Vols lack of a consistent outside scorer rears its ugly head once more — can’t wait to get ya’ll at home.

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Feb 16, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions  

Who Knows What Knoxville Law Enforcement ...

Has in store between now and then?

"Perhaps the fact that we have seen millions voting themselves into complete dependence on a tyrant has made our generation understand that to choose one's government is not necessarily to secure freedom" - Hayek

by Wild Weasel on Feb 16, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Mah Pellet Gun

It goes pew pew pew!

Tennessee Fans: We win at teh Internet!

by bobo_the_vol on Feb 16, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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