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Kentucky Basketball: What Went Wrong in Chapel Hill

The Kentucky Wildcats 75-73 road loss to the North Carolina Tar Heels on Saturday, while certainly not the end of the big blue world, has surprisingly been treated as a Gardner-Webb/VMI-like loss by many of the UK faithful.  Realizing the passion of Kentucky fans is one aspect of the program that makes it great, sometimes though, that passion blinds and skews ones thoughts on losses (as well as wins), and can have the unpleasant side effect of misdirected blame.

While pointing an accusatory finger at the officials (who, by the way, missed calls for both teams, with a few being egregious), John Calipari (why didn't he recruit another big man?), and the NCAA (it's their fault Enes Kanter received a salary) for the two-point defeat seemed a popular notion on the Internet and talk radio immediately following the hotly contested contest.  From my seat, though, accountability for the loss falls most directly onto the (playable) roster of each team.  More pointedly, to the size and talent of the men who make up the two rosters, as well as the breadth and depth of said roster. 

The phrase "bad match-up" has been bandied about often in the world of college basketball, most often during NCAA tournament time.  But, the dreaded "bad match-up" rose up and bit the 'Cats Saturday, even if it was only a nip.  And it was a (bad) match-up the Big Blue Nation should have seen coming.

Follow me after the jump for my A to D reasons for UK's loss to the Heels.

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A) Talented size matters:

North Carolina, which boast two generously talented big men in 7-0 Tyler Zeller and 6-10 John Henson, came into the game with a decided edge in the paint (this, UK fans knew, or at should have known), but the Grand Canyon-deep & wide disparity wasn't evident until after the game began.  And then, within minutes, UK fans should have thought, "This is gonna be worse than I thought."  Making matters even more unpalatable, the combination of a hyped Tar Heel squad, and a hyped Tar Heel crowd, widened the already considerable gap in paint talent to an alarming degree.  The result, UNC scored 34 points in the paint to UK's woeful 14.

But the discrepancies, unfortunately, do not stop there: UK missed 38 shots in the game ... UK grabbed eight offensive rebounds, which is only 19.0% of their misses (that's putrid, folks).  For comparisons sake -- The next lowest percentage of misses snagged by the 'Cats this year is 33.3% in the UConn loss.  The 'Cats did do a credible job of rebounding Carolina's misses, though, limiting the Heels to only nine offensive rebounds on 34 missed shots.  But, the ugly side of the coin tells us the 'Cats allowed the Heels to better capitalize on the few offensive rebounds they were able to grab, by outscoring UK 11-5 in second chance points.

The bottom line: UNC's Zeller and Henson combined to make 13-23 shots, score 40 points, grab 23 rebounds, and block eight shots (6-8 Harrison Barnes was magnificent in the first half, making 4-5 shots, 3-4 three-pointers, and scoring 12 points): UK's Terrence Jones, Josh Harrellson, and Eloy Vargas made 5-21 shots, scored 13 points, corralled 15 rebounds, and blocked one shot.  A mismatch of thunderous proportions.

B) Terrence Jones played like the freshman he is:

Kentucky freshman Terrence Jones, the 'Cats best big man, simply had a bad game.  It was apparent after Jones missed his first few shots (he eventually missed his first five tries) that he looked uncomfortable being guarded by the 6-10 Henson.  Unable to get clean looks, Jones began pressing and was noticeably bothered by the bigger, nearly as quick Carolina forward.

The result, a 3-17 (0-3 trey tries) shooting performance, good for only nine points for the 20.7 points per game scorer.  And on a day when rebounding was at a premium for the 'Cats, Jones grabbed only six in 28 minutes of play (he averages 10+ boards per game).

Does Jones deserved to be berated for his less-than-stellar outing?  Of course not.  He is, after all, a freshman, playing in his first true road game, in front of his first hostile crowd (unless one counts the UDub idiots in Maui), against a more experienced, bigger player in Henson.  Jones will learn from his experience, and probably become a better player because of it.

C) The benches: 

This one is easy -- UK played six players at least 10 minutes; UNC played eight players at least 10 minutes.  UNC played one player more than 30 minutes, UK played four players more than 30 minutes.

This will be a concern for UK all season (against deep opponents), unless someone (Jon Hood?) earns meaningful playing time in practice.

D) The slowdown:

With 10 minutes remaining in the game, and UK clinging to a four point lead (60-56), the 'Cats began to milk the clock on each possession.  Calipari did this to limit UNC's offensive possessions, because the 'Cats were quickly being handicapped with serious foul trouble -- At the time, Jones, Harrellson, Brandon Knight, Eloy Vargas, DeAndre Liggins all had three fouls.

Now, one can debate the effectiveness of such a ploy (I don't like it), but a strong argument can be made that without slowing down the pace, UK would have lost more players, sooner, to the bench due to disqualification (Jones, Harrellson, and Knight all eventually fouled out).  But, the numbers tell us UK was ineffective offensively during the slowdown stretch, scoring only 7-points (and making zero shots from the floor) between 9:55 and :55 of the second half, after scoring 63 points the first 30:03 of the game.

The upside of the loss (if there is such a thing) is the fact that UK had all of the above aspects of the game working against them, and still only lost by two-points, on the road, against a quality opponent.  And one of the primary reasons for UK staying in the lead, or close to the lead (for the entirety of the game), was the play of Doron Lamb.  Lamb looked to be doing his best Tony Delk impersonation for most of the contest, making trifectas (3-4), driving to the hole, making free throws (7-8), and valuing the basketball (one turnover in 32 minutes).  Without Lamb's 24 points, the game would have been over long before the final horn.

Another positive to come out of the game was the play of Josh Harrellson.  In 21 minutes of play, Harrellson scored four points (2-2 from the floor), and grabbed seven rebounds (four big offensive boards).  Not overly impressive numbers taken alone (save the offensive rebounding number), but Harrellson displayed an aggressiveness not often seen out of the Missouri native, perhaps because he knew Zeller and Henson provided UK with a very real challenge ... a challenge he was largely responsible for answering.  Whatever the reason, if Harrellson continues to play with a (blue) chip on his shoulder, it can only mean good things for the 'Cats as they go forward.

Also deserving of kudos is DeAndre Liggins for his four assists and zero turnovers, as well as a season-high six rebounds.  Darius Miller also crashed the boards, nabbing seven rebounds, his most since UK's season opener.

Lastly, and thankfully, the 'Cats do not have to fret over facing a team loaded with such talented size again this year ... until tourney time, and hopefully by then, UK will have figured out a way to stop the opponents talented bigs from having career games.  Perhaps a call should be placed to Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim, for a 2-3 zone may hold the answer.

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats!

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Good job Ken

I think you nailed it. I keep wondering why Cal wont play Hood and Poole. He had poor Jarad Polson in with the game on the line. By the way I sent you a picture that I loved.

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Dec 6, 2010 6:48 PM EST reply actions  

Hood and Polson

were both in the game at the end. This was due to foul trouble and the fact that UK could use a three to win.

by jdogblue on Dec 6, 2010 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Ken

I don’t think I’ve heard any fan (especially on this board) categorize this loss as anything like a Gardner-Webb or VMI loss. UK was very much in this game and led for most of it. Another 3 and UK wins. I do agree that Jones was very freshmen-like. He probably doesn’t have another game in his UK career like this one.

I still maintain the refs blew a couple of charge-block calls at critical junctures of the game.

by jdogblue on Dec 6, 2010 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

Not many on this site, but this site represents

a miniscule portion of the fan base, and most here are much more rational than the average UK fan, unfortunately.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 6, 2010 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Gardner-Webb???

In no way is this loss to North Carolina….NORTH CAROLINA…in Chapel Hill no less..comparable to that disgusting loss of a few years ago. I wasn’t surprised the Cats lost Saturday and I don’t understand why so many are on the ledge because of it. This team has weaknesses and they were exploited. But they will improve and I will maintain this will be a dangerous team come March.

by maysvilleblue on Dec 6, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it's Carolina

but the reaction of some (many?) UK fans to the game caught me by surprise. Like you, I thought losing by 2 to UNC on the road would be met with disappointment, but not the vitriol I’ve read and heard.

For the record, I picked UK to win by 3.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 6, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record...

I picked UNC to win by 6. And that was being generous to UK. I thought the game could get ugly and a double digit loss possible. I just didn’t think this young team was ready for a trip to Chapel Hill and the inside game of the Tar Heels. So all in all I was pleased as to how they responded. Of course I’m always disappointed when the Cats lose. And I think more losses could be on the way before they hit their stride.

by maysvilleblue on Dec 7, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

This UNC team is a very averagen team, by all accounts, so yes, it’s a very disappointing loss. But certainly no GW-VMI. I have to take issue with UNC’s “talented size”. I assume you meant Zeller and Henson. Both of these guys are pretty average bigs. I think min one game this season Zeller scored only 1 pt. I could be wrong. But, hardly a “talented” big guy. Anyway, as far as our team goes, what you see is what you get. And, so on, and so on. I know Cal knows talent when he sees it, but this Vargas kid looks like a true JUCO player, and one big lost scholly, to me.

by bigbill992001 on Dec 8, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Not disagreeing....

And this game is getting further and further in the rear view mirror but I think size,or the lack of it,was and is a problem for this UK team. And it was that lack of size and the fact UNC has a abundance of it,regardless of talent,that made the difference on Saturday especially in the closing minutes.

by maysvilleblue on Dec 8, 2010 6:59 AM EST up reply actions  

UNC Fans

reacted to the win as would a mismatched opponent pulling off a huge upset. I went to the game and the place erupted when they won. It was snowing as we were walking out of the Dean Dome and I heard some Tarheel fans around me joking that the game/weather was a “Christmas Miracle.”

by Prowler Cat on Dec 7, 2010 7:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't blame them one bit :)

with the type of season they were having prior to Saturday (and all of last year), I would imagine a huge sigh of relief swept across Carolina.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 7, 2010 8:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Excellent analysis, Ken.

Yes, the game exposed our obvious weakness in the post, but I have confidence that Cal will figure something out. It’s December, for goodness sake. Last year’s success spoiled us just a little bit, I think.

by sprink on Dec 6, 2010 8:52 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks, sprink

I agree 100% with you. I do think they (the coaching staff) will successfully work through the issues the team currently faces, and there is no doubt we were spoiled a bit by the immediate success of last year’s team.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 6, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you've nailed it.

If any single one of these issues were “fixed” during that game, UK wins. For me, the big thing was the foul situation. I’ll leave the refs out of it, because the team has to be able to play to whatever standard the refs are going to allow. Without the foul situation, Harrellson gives a better inside presence for rebounding. UK doesn’t need to run the slowdown offense that was absolutely stagnant. The bench doesn’t matter.

The key to this team, in my opinion, is simply keeping them out of foul trouble. Someone will step up on a nightly basis to provide the offensive spark we need, but when the team gets in foul trouble, mark it up as a loss. We simply don’t have the bench to handle it – whether that’s caused by coaching or talent, I’m not sure. That’s what happened at UConn (one run while Jones, with the hot hand, sat on the bench cost the game). That’s what happened at UNC (no inside presence, however good or bad that presence might be gave Zeller/Henson freedom to score at will).

by dshnarw on Dec 6, 2010 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

Fouls

And fouls, or multiple fouls, can change the way a player plays, especially when the players are cognizent of the short bench.

But, I have to say, I loved Harrellson’s play. He was clearly amped for the game, and although he didn’t score much, or guard particularly well, if he comes with that type of focus and rebounding determination, UK will be much better for it.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 6, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Harrellson has become quite serviceable, IMO

but I toss in the qualifying comment because I know a lot of people are still doing a “Hartline” in regard to his play.

Rebounds are just as good as points – more possessions and keeping the ball out of the other team’s hands is exactly the kind of thing we need from Harrellson, and something he’s doing a great job of thus far. Runs the fast break darned well for a big guy, too. The one thing I hope he starts to do more is go back up with the ball aggressively after the offensive rebounds. I think he gets a bit nervous with the ball and passes as fast as he possibly can when he could have slammed the ball down their throats. If he can get a couple of good put-backs and get to the foul line every game, his post presence can make a big improvement on the UK offense.

by dshnarw on Dec 6, 2010 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree generally.

But I do not think Harrelson has many chances to “slam the ball down their throats.” He hardly ever tries to slam the ball, and that is likely for good reason. The only hops Harrellson has are in his beer.

by JackBluto on Dec 7, 2010 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I am in the pro-Josh camp, too

They could have, and probably will in the future, put the ball in his hands down low. He did not have much opportunity to pressure Zeller into playing defense against him, thus Zeller was free to slide over, and under, to draw some charges.

You can discount the officiating, but we weren’t trying to foul and still UNC got sent to the line 14 times in the last 3:38 of the game.

by BCinVA on Dec 7, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

What hops does he need?

He’s nearly 7’ tall. A freaking bunny hop would have him at the rim. For example: that final play before he fouled out against UNC. Grab the rebound, go back up with it. He did a great job on that play, and he needs to do it more often. I think his goal should be 5 attempts a game, mostly on put-backs, and at least one trip to the foul line a game.

by dshnarw on Dec 7, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Even without hops

he does not go up strong with the ball which is why I was not happy at all to hear him say that he was going to start going back up with the ball when he rebounded instead of kicking it back out. I am not a Harrelson fan, but I have to give him credit for his game this year. He is really stepping up and making some big plays for us. The ugly truth is, however, that he is just not that athletic and strong and I see him getting owned in the paint against any team with an above average true center.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 8, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Leave Us Not Forget

That Josh Harrellson’s best offer out of HS was Western —Western! — Illinois. Fact is that he was a recruiting mistake, but that’s not to say he doesn’t deserve our support now that he’s a member of the team.

"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

by Wild Weasel on Dec 7, 2010 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think instead

of referring to him as a mistake, we better be damn glad he is here because without him we would be up the proverbial creek. I am still seeing some improvement in his game as he gets more PT and he might surprise you as the season wears on.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 7, 2010 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this Wineman.

Like I said, I am not a big Harrellson fan, but I am glad that he’s here. Vargas’ game is garbage at this point, IMO.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 8, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

But UK Didn't Sign Him Out Of HS

He had several Div I (BCS school) offers as JuCo frosh, namely Indiana among others.

UK has signed many prospects over the years who had few (good) offers out of HS.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 8, 2010 7:25 AM EST up reply actions  

UK and UNC

Gardner Web? Who compared this game to that one? No one. Look, UK lost because it didn’t make the one more 3 required to offset the UNC advantage at the line. Or UK didn’t make enough of its own FT’s to offset the UNC advantage. Pick which one you like.
All the rest of it is analysis of where UK fell short and some of those problems will continue for much of the season. However, the team will be more successful when Miller stops disappearing, Knight and Jones get more experience, and Harrellson realizes his presence for all of the game is more important than stopping any single basket.
I love watching this team, the upside is tremendous and the downside (as long as they play hard) is great entertainment. Even without Kanter they have the potential to be really really good.
Oh, and Kanter will be ruled eligible. For reasons I have stated elsewhere (http://darkbloodyground.blogspot.com/2010/12/sports-truth-and-honesty.html), I can’t believe the (again apparently) mistaken handling of $33k when millions were available and rejected, will prevent him from playing.

by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Dec 6, 2010 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

Read before responding

I didn’t write that people were comparing the UNC loss to GW, I wrote that the loss has been “treated” similarily to the GW/VMI losses by some of the fan base.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 6, 2010 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Read Before Responding

You wrote “…treated as a Gardner-Webb/VMI-like loss …”
How one can “treat” (with the meaning of: write or talk about) an event “like” (with the meaning of: feel towards) without comparison, I don’t get. Oh well, not a biggie.

by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Dec 7, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Ain't that the truth

BigBill: I don’t strongly disagree with the statement you made above about Carolina not being all that great of a team, but, I do think they will end up being a pretty good ball club. I think what will keep them from being a top10-15 team is their guard play. If Williams could somehow solve that issue, I believe they could be really good.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 8, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

The only thing that can make me feel better....

… Is if Enes were freed. Lol. North Carolina hasn’t really bothered me since sunday night. My new focus. Notre Dame. I am going to my first UK game and unfortunately its at cheatum hall and not Rupp, but I’m still stoked. GO BIG BLUE!!!!

by phatcatfan on Dec 6, 2010 10:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ken, I think you missed the 800 lb. gorilla in the room...

IMO this team has been terrible defensively. Not just against UNC, but all year so far. We can’t put enough pressure on an opponent to force mistakes. Even against opponents that don’t have talent or size (e.g. Portland). This team so far has not been able to effectively impose its defensive will on ANY opponent.

That being said, I believe this team has the ability to be good defensively. Maybe it will happen like turning on a light switch. I hope so, but hope is not a solution.

"He still carries a lunch bucket. What's up with that?"

by BlueCollarMan on Dec 6, 2010 10:39 PM EST reply actions  

defense.
I believe this team has the ability to be good defensively

I agree with that sentiment, BlueCollarMan and I think we are sort of lucky in this regard as I tend to think that when thinking about offense and defense, defense is the easier of the two to fix and get right.

Defense has always been put to me as something that is mostly desire. Defense takes some skill and athleticism, yes, of course, but I tend to think it’s more a skill of will and determination rather than a natural athletic ability. Basically, I think almost anyone can play killer defense if they put their mind to it and desire to be the best at it.

Oh, and good feature write-up here, Ken. Thanks.

by BigSkyCat on Dec 6, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, BSC.

Your thoughts on defense … definitely true.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 6, 2010 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I sort of disagree, BlueCollarMan

The first several minutes of the second half against Boston and the first half minutes against Washington were defensive blitzes. Agree we haven’t fully sustained an effort for 40 minutes.

by BCinVA on Dec 7, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

The first two paragraphs under “Talented size matters” is about UK’s lack of defense on the interior.

In both the UConn and UNC games the interior D was terrible, although, against UNC the effort was definitely there, but instead of it resulting in a lower shooting % for the Heels, UK’s fouls piled up.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 6, 2010 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me add

I agree with you. But, I’m not overly concerned about the perimeter D, I think it will come around. At this point in the year, Calipari has spent a very small amount of time on the D, something that will change soon.

Cal’s teams have historically been very strong defensively, I expect this team to follow past models, but this team has limitations most of his previous squads didn’t have.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 6, 2010 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

When finals are over

the team will double its practices and that is when all of the weaknesses that have shown up will be thoroughly addressed. Cal said he did not want his team in late season form too early in the season and that is what we have seen. Take a chill pill everyone and buckle up for the ride.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 6, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Great article.

It was very hard to loose to a struggling UNC. I think that may be why fans were going overboard with critisizm. Also it’s like salt in the wound when we loose to a team with a big inside presence. The Kanter deal is frustrating and thinking about how we would have won with him hurts even more.
I get upset with Miller. He seems to not care if we win or loose. I bet if he played with the same passion Liggins does we would be much better. This team is what I have been wanting for years now. We shoot, we are fast, we have stars and our style is fun to watch. I guess it is too easy to get spoiled being a UK fan. But I would rather loose with our present team than with the slow boring style of our last two coaches.

by 166leslie on Dec 6, 2010 11:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Kanter...

Given what we know now (about the 33k excess) it is safe to say that even had the NCAA ruled in favor of Kanter initially, he wouldn’t have played in the UNC game, having to sit out most likely 30% of the season. Small consolation, I know, but that particular “what if?” was a “never gonna happen” from the start.

by dshnarw on Dec 7, 2010 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, 166

You make a good point about the Kanter situation.

Miller – I definitely think the kid wants to win, but, he does disappear at times, something we’ve been saying now for 2.5 years.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 6, 2010 11:43 PM EST reply actions  

I don't believe

that Miller doesn’t care whether we win or lose. Just because you don’t see him showing his emotions doesn’t mean they are not there. I think Miller is getting a bad rap much of the time.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 6, 2010 11:44 PM EST reply actions  

+1

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Dec 7, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree Wineman

Miller just doesn’t have a dominating/domineering personality. That doesn’t make him a bad guy, it makes him human. Like most of you, I wish he would always realize just how talented he is, but that’s not his personality. Appreciate him for what he is, a classy kid with a huge amount of talent, rather than complain about what he isn’t, a strong leader. Anybody who believes he can change somebody’s personality is, has been, and/or will be divorced many times.

Slogan for the NCAA: If it ain't broke, break it.

by UKCat on Dec 7, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

If they even get married at all.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 7, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Wineman Rules

Darius Miller is playing to the best of his ability.
I know a lot of fans want him to be the Kentucky savior.
I’m going to support the W-Man 100% (and hell, I don’t even know the man!).
He is a good, solid player.
He is not Rex Chapman or Mike Casey.
He is a great Kentucky bred student-athlete who gives us everything he’s got every time he laces up his Nikes.
Instead of comparing him to some manufactured expectations, let’s just enjoy his talent and dedication while he is here.
I know that is what kywineman and I plan to do.

by ukfastcat on Dec 7, 2010 3:41 AM EST reply actions  

I loved what Darius did in this game

I can still see in my mind Miller getting defensive rebounds in among the Carolina trees. The only fault he has shown is not being selfish and taking 4-5 more shots per game.

Free Enes – now….!!

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Dec 7, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Fouls

All fouls are not created equal.

The problem with the UK fouls is where on the court some of them occurred. With limited options at the bigs, they CANNOT be picking up fouls 25 feet from the basket. I did not count them (so perhaps my recollection is off), but I remember a number of “cheap” reaching/blocking fouls that were not committed in an attempt to prevent a basket (case in point – TJ’s 5th). If you don’t have a lot of fouls to give, you can’t just give them away needlessly.

Note, this is not an indictment of the refs – it’s merely to say we need to be more judicious about when we lay the wood to our opponents.

by NYCCats on Dec 7, 2010 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I still tear up

when I remember Mashburn picking up his 5th about 50 feet from the basket.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 7, 2010 6:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Enes --

I thought the appeals process was a quick thing. We were supposed to know something last week – Friday, maybe Monday.

What is the deal? Someone here (this blog is media after all) has to know something? Don’t you have ‘sources’ and crap? When will we know?

by JackBluto on Dec 7, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

The original appeal was put on hold so that there could be new evidence presented to the original

eligibility committee/group/hearing, whatever you want to call it. It seemed as though after Cam Newton’s flip flop ruling, there was a door opened up. This has delayed the process so that the new evidence could be organized and sent to the NCAA. Last thing I saw was that any change in the ruling could take up to another couple of weeks, or could happen as early as this week.

Prevailing thinking says that the longer it takes the committee to rule, the better it is for UK, but I dont see how that reasoning is applied, then again it is the NCAA, any reasoning is suspect.

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 7, 2010 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The length of time rule

would apply to the appeals committee similarly like one would speculate when a case goes to a jury. The original staff ruling is more like an indictment, a statement of position from the prosecution. When a case takes a long time in the jury room, there are dissenting points of view which often lead to lessor charges, more rarely an out and out conviction or acquittal.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 7, 2010 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the process.

The “new information” has to go back to the reinstatement staff first, then the appeal can be taken up by the reinstatement committee if that ruling is unfavorable.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 7, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Where has this been reported?

Also, how is this helpful? Now they can sit on it forever again. By the time they rule the season will be over.

by JackBluto on Dec 7, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

The woest officiating since Duke played UK at the garden and Jason Williams was the point for Duke.

Does UNC’s center have protection from the refs like Williams had? Harrelson just stood there to get his fourth(whatever happened to the principle of verticality?). Vargas was 3 ft away from him when he DQ’ed.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Dec 7, 2010 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

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