Coppin St. Eagles 61, Kentucky Wildcats (11) 91: Postmortem
The Kentucky Wildcats did not have a Christmas hangover, and handled the Coppin St. Eagles convincingly in Rupp Arena tonight. It was the kind of game that we have become used to with this team -- inferior opponents are rarely able to challenge Kentucky. The 'Cats have, for the most part, handled their weaker opponents easily, unlike last year's team who struggled against them early.
A heartfelt thanks to the Coppin St. Eagles for coming in and giving their best effort tonight, despite spotting Kentucky their leading scorer, Michael Harper. It's tough to be a mid-major coming into Rupp to face a team this talented, and the Eagles competed hard against the 'Cats. Thanks to them for the game effort.
For the Wildcats, it was kind of a mixed bag in the first half, but they were very much better in the second stanza, particularly on offense. The 3-point shooting was not really as good at it has been, but it's hard to shoot 50+ percent from the arc game in and game out. This game, Kentucky did their damage from inside the arc, led by Terrence Jones, who really got going after a couple of dunks raised his level of interest.
Superlatives:
- Brandon Knight. Brandon did a lot of good things today, including scoring, rebounding, and passing, and played some very good defense particularly in the first half. Game ball.
- DeAndre Liggins perhaps deserves the game ball as much as Knight. He had a bunch of assists, double-digit points, and a number of rebounds to go along with an excellent defensive game.
- Terrence Jones. Jones had a good game, and did everything pretty well. He was not really there in the first half, but he really got it moving in the second.
- Darius Miller did not score a bunch, but he did everything else. I just wish he would score more.
- Josh Harrellson did everything, and did it well. Rebound. Score a little. Blocked shots. He is boringly consistent, but that's exactly what Calipari needs from him. I love how he ran down a player and blocked his shot in the second half.
- Doron Lamb did what he always does -- score. He's just the perfect sixth man.
- Eloy Vargas did some nice things. He worked hard, was reasonably physical, and contributed.
- Jon Hood had a decent effort. I loved that block he got near the end of the game. Neither he nor Stacey Poole gave up on the play.
Other observations:
- A rotating 3-2 zone? Well, it was interesting. Lots of CalZones tonight. And they worked, sort of.
- What was with all the turnovers off of hot dog passes?
- When will UK begin to pick up charges? Knight took one, and Lamb tried, but other than that, nothing.
- Missed open shots. Kentucky must make them versus the Birds.
Overall, it was exactly what we expected -- a convincing, workmanlike victory. Now, for the Louisville Cardinals. I daresay they will be rather more of a challenge.
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I think we all wish Miller would score more
tonight it was just that he didn’t even get involved in the offense hardly at all. 5 FG attempts (and no free throws) in the game is just way too few for someone who is expected to be any kind of scorer. Jon Hood had more FG attempts than Miller tonight.
It also seemed that Jones took a back seat on offense tonight. I know he ended up with the team high points total, but it didn’t seem that they were running anything for him, and the good part is also that he didn’t force anything. He simply took complete advantage of the fact that Coppin State just doesn’t have a single big/physical player on the team and went straight to the hole whenever he wanted. He didn’t seem to have the usual intensity, but he got better results tonight than he has been getting. Kind of interesting.
I thought Terrance looked more relaxed tonight
Not trying to live up to the hype he has been given. The thing about this team, to me, is how they whip that ball around to the open man time after time. Much more proficient at this than last year’s team, I believe. We get an open shot frequently.
Plus, they are at times playing just lock down D also.
I Agree With You
I think UK in the first half played great team ball, Cop State was trying to take away Jones and guarded against Miller scoring. When everyone else was getting such open looks, I thought it a real positive that Jones did not try to force things and kept playing D and that Miller wwas hitting the boards and dishing to open players, I know there are times Miller disappears but tonight I thought he took what was given him. I loved the defense in the first half.
I like this team a lot!
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
Does Miller really need to score more?
I’m not so sure. I’m almost at the point where I wish everyone (Cal included) would stop harping on it.
Jones, Knight, and Lamb are obviously the three best offensive players, and thus the three main scorers. You can count on them for 45 points as almost a minimum, way above that on a good night. Those 3 are taking the bulk of the shots, and in my book, that’s a good thing.
Beyond those 3, let the shots come from wherever they happen to come from. I wish Miller would get a few of the shots that Liggins is taking, but I can’t blame Liggins for that too much, because he’s the one being aggressive and creating off the dribble. If that leads to a few questionable shots, so be it.
As long as Miller doesn’t vanish in other areas, I don’t see a problem with him taking 5-7 shots. If he goes for 5+ rebounds, a couple of assists, steals, and blocks, then I don’t think it matters how many points he scores. Let him do the background things he’s comfortable with, and let the natural scorers do what they’re comfortable with.
I am beginning to agree
Liggins and Miller are becoming the Kron and Conley (Rupp’s Runts) of this team. If they continue to pass, rebound, and play defense well, all the little things, it helps this team be successful.
Big game on Friday and it won’t be Winthrop/Coppin St. The intensity will be magnified 10-fold.
That's right, jdog.
Somebody has to do the dirty work, and right now, that’s Jorts, Miller, and Liggins, IMO.
Liggins-8 assists last night, and he gave one up on an unnecessary btb pass. Still leads in floor burns.
Miller-good boards and shot 60% from the field. Let’s get off his butt and let him play ball.
Harrelson-“only” 4 boards, but, while slow in absolute speed, he is efficient in his defensive movement, especially at mid-range. In the last four games, lots of opposing penetrators have dribbled away when Jorts puts the big body in the way. I also like the way he keeps his hands high on defense.
A thought on Poole-I noticed a couple of times last night, he tends to straighten his legs and not keep his feet moving on defense. The best defensive players keep some knee flex and keep their feet fairly far apart and constantly moving. It makes for quicker reactions than a straighter-legged, stationary stance. He’s got some work to do.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
I am always glad to read your take on our players body movements
I will admit that I never notice those things oldcat’69, and am glad you explain what I don’t see. Head, shoulders, knees and toes, knees and toes. And hands! :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
Thanks, a2.
In the next game (who do we play??? ;-)), watch how Liggins keeps his feet moving all the time on defense. If your feet are moving, your response time to the offense’s moves is quicker than if you are totally still (my theory, not some human physiology PHD’s take). I just know that all the good defensive players keep their knees flexed and feet moving. Of course, it helps if they have really good fast-twitch muscle fibers, long arms, and are able to jump over the moon, etc, etc, etc
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Cal mentions this from time to time.
How players aren’t maintaining their “stance” on defense. Funny thing is, whenever he says it, he bends his knees and half-way demonstrates. Some announcer – I can’t remember who – likes to say the defender must keep his head lower than the man he’s guarding. I think that’s a short-hand way of saying just what oldcat is talking about.
I agree
Miller will never be a big time scorer. Just let the game come to him and I think he would have a lot of 10-12 point games with 7-8 rebounds to go along with it plus good D. I would be happy with that.
by maysvilleblue on Dec 28, 2010 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I am happy with a
30 point win. Miller played his role, others scored and I will take that every night until early April.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Miller Needs To Be an Option
The game is tight. Jones is on the bench with 4 fouls. Lamb just picks up his fourth. The opposing team starts to key on Knight. Miller must be an option because he is a talented scorer and because this team is thin. He may be the difference in how far this team goes in the SEC or NCAA tourney,,,,
Of course, this is my opinion and in this game in particular, I also thought Miller was an option and did look for his shot when appropriate. It is when he stops even thinking about shooting that he hurts the team.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
17
That’s how many career double figure games Miller has, out of 86 he’s played. His career single-game high is 20 pts.
I do not get why people think he’s a talented scorer. Talented player, yes, because he’s capable of contributing in a lot of ways. Scorer, no. He’s never shown anything to indicate that.
I agree that he needs to be a viable option. He should be the “other guy” whenever the main three are held down for some reason, but for the overall health of the team, I think its fine of he generally just plays a role- one that doesn’t necessarily involve him being a big scorer.
I see where you're coming from ...
… and I would agree if you’re saying that he shouldn’t necessarily be a primary option. That’s not his game.
But I do think that he is capable of significantly more, and I disagree with the comment that he’s not a “talented scorer.” I think what I would agree with is that he is not a natural scorer like Brandon Knight or Doron Lamb. His mentality just isn’t to score first.
But this team needs more scoring from his position, especially inside the arc. So I would submit that in attempting to allow the team to subsume him, he is denying them something it needs to be better, namely a second scorer inside the arc. He should always take open threes, of course, but he needs to demand the ball a bit more and make himself more available in the 2-point area. He did that very well during the Canada trip, and I think he is now deferring to Terrence Jones. But we need his production as much as Jones’.
I think he’ll get it. But he hasn’t quite got it yet.
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I agree Glenn, if every player...
…did everything well immediately, then nobody would be in school for four years. There are many players who need those four years to reach their full potential. Miller and Liggins, Hood and Poole all are in that category for me.
Look At Delk
So-so as frosh, improved as soph, better as junior, excellent (A-A) as senior.
Or Derek Anderson. Good as junior, REALLY good as senior.
Jamaal Magloire is another example. Really wasn’t good until junior, then very good as senior.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 29, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
Big Expectations
When you are a Kentucky Mr. Basketball there are lofty expectations. I think Miller has done well but probably hasn’t lived up to expectations because of the Mr. Basketball distinction. His career got off to a rocky start because of Billy G. who nearly destroyed his confidence. Last year he was kinda stuck behind one of the greatest recruiting classes in the history of college basketball,yet he had his moments. This year many said this was his team and this was his year. I didn’t buy into that. He has never been an explosive scorer,even in high school. He isn’t in the class of Jones,Knight and Lamb. And I don’t see him putting up the numbers of those you mentioned above. But I think he will lead this team in other ways if he plays with the intensity level that he did last night.
by maysvilleblue on Dec 29, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly right on the BCG point
I would be willing to bet that if we had someone other than Billy G coaching Miller, he would be a different player today. BCG was disastrous on many levels, and destroying Miller’s confidence is chief among them.
by wildcatfaninexile on Dec 29, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
I completely agree with this
You said pretty much everything I’ve been thinking the last few weeks vis-a-vis Miller.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
I am really starting to like Lamb more and more...
…think about it. He doesn’t start, he doesn’t get as much attention as the other freshmen (minus the couple others) but yet, he has been VERY consistent, and makes few mistakes.
I see a very bright future for him at UK, and I am glad the spotlight isn’t on him this year, so, hopefully, he stays a while before moving to the next level :).
Of course, I love TJ and BK, but Lamb has really surprised me, and he is very entertaining to watch play ball…..
-The end LOL…
http://www.JohnWallWear.com
Yes, and +1 on taking charges...
I don’t even recall the last one we took this season HAHAHA, but on a serious note, we do need to work in that if we want to run deep this year.
http://www.JohnWallWear.com
We have a very thin
bench this year and one has to remember that one of two things happen when you try to take a charge. Either you get the charge or you get called for blocking. It is a very subjective call by the refs and they blow it almost as often as they get it right. I don’t like the idea of trying to force more charge calls because that can really backfire on you.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
I don't think our bench is quite that thin.
We have eight players who saw double-digit minutes tonight. That should be enough to play better defense.
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Some of those players won't get double digit minutes
Against the Tennessees and Floridas, nor should they. It was nice to see Jon Hood have a few productive minutes, though, wasn’t it?
Double-digit minutes against Coppin St. is one thing....
Double-digit mins against the likes of Florida,Tenn.,Vandy,ect. is quite another. If because of foul trouble and or injury the likes of Vargas,Hood and Poole have to log extended mins. against quality opponents….especially on the road….it will be trouble.
by maysvilleblue on Dec 29, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Correct. My guess is that Mr. Pitino will make a game plan that includes....
high pressure defense with the intention of putting Uk’s big three scorers on
the bench for as long as Coach Cal will dare leave them there. This game
will be a real measuring stick. Remember last year, Rick allowed his players
all the bully tactics.
by blue oregon on Dec 29, 2010 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly Right
Last year part of RP’s game plan was to get Cousins rattled and it nearly worked. This year I’m sure he will be working the refs to call a close game. This contest will be a HUGE test for this young UK team. It will be interesting to see how Mr. Jones handles it all.
by maysvilleblue on Dec 29, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Foul Festival
Couch P is certainly planning on making this game a physical, sloppy foul fest. Just like last year, it is his best chance of winning, Foul three times and hope to get called for two or better yet, hope the refs try to equalize the numbers as they tend to do and have a couple UK players riding the pine.
It almost worked last year as the score differential was not proportioned to the talent differential.
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
Good point.
But like anything else, it’s about exercising good technique and good judgment. If you can place yourself in position to take a charge, and you maintain a good face-up stance, you shouldn’t be afraid of the whistle. I will agree with you more after a player picks up 3 or 4 fouls. But you can’t be scared to play good defense.
For the most part, I liked the way UK played tonight.
As others have said, Knight, Lamb, and Jones are going to be the leading scorers. But I really liked what Miller and Liggins did tonight. Actually, I liked what they all did tonight. They played as a team on both offense and defense. If Miller and Harrleson play the rest of the season like they did tonight, UK is going to be ok. Miller and Harrleson got their points within the offense. I am fine with that. They both have been playing hard and they hit the open shot. You can’t ask for much more out what I would consider role players. And I can’t say enough about Liggins. Love the way the kid plays. Now lets go eat some birds!!
Lamb was underrated out of HS
Because he’s not the type of spectacular run/jump athlete who stands out in AAU ball. That’s why players like Will Barton and Reggie Bullock get rated ahead of someone like Lamb.
That appears to be way, way off right now, because Lamb is EXCEPTIONALLY skilled. He is solid in all aspects of the game, and his basketball IQ is through the roof for a freshman. He is the best player UK could have signed at his position, and you can’t really ask for more than that.
Lamb.
He has a very unassuming nature about him. He’s not particularly flashy and he may not totally stand out in a crowd on a regular basis, but as you say, he does everything really well and his overall game seems to be pretty solid. He also seems to carry himself with a calm confidence and poise all the time, which I like.
I know we are only a few games into this young season, but his game seems to be very reliable, IMO and from a fan perspective reliable is good. Knowing what you are going to get from at least one player every game is kind of nice.
You have summed it up perfectly BSK
Non-flashy, plays always within himself, never takes a forced or bad shot and surpassingly hardly ever makes a freshman mistake – no bad passes, turn-overs, never tries to dunk the ball.
This kid is mature WAY beyond his years – like having a senior two guard playing for us.
Nick
Lamb Underrated...
You articulated something about Lamb that I have been thinking about…Yes, his bball IQ seems very high. He also rarely takes a bad shot. Although he didn’t seem to be completely there today, he played a very good game without any theatrics. Which despite Liggins attempt of a btb pass, is a hallmark of this team. They simply go out and play very hard as a team, most of the time.
Something, I articulated today to youngest daughter and haven’t seen comments about is this: this team really seems to like each other. It also seems to start with JH. Possibly his willingness to accept Cal’s criticism and focus on what he can do has rubbed off on the rest of the team. I don’t want to overstate it since I think chemistry can be over stated, but against MVS JH demanded that Polson use a pick and take the ball to the hoop. Teammates see that and appreciate it.
I have seen thousands of basketball games in my life. During the season, not a week goes by that I don’t go to at least one game and watch portions of several on cable. One thing I try to notice is which players and team are happy to be on the court and playing the game. JH seems to me to be having the time of his life. ACE, attitude changes everything.
by darkandbloody@gmail.com on Dec 29, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Underrated?
Well, maybe a little. But Lamb was not known as a three point shooter in high school. His game was the midrange game. Lamb has added 3-point shooting to his repertoire out of necessity, because the midrange game in college is more difficult for players his size who lack freakish athleticism.
In my opinion, Lamb is a better college player than some who were ranked above him because his game is based less on athletic ability than skill with the ball. Plus, scouting services tend to undervalue 2-guards that focus on the midrange game, because 3-point shooting is considered a more valuable skill.
So yeah, he was a little underrated, but he still isn’t the kind of player who belongs above 15 in that class. He was rated 21st by Rivals, and the guys rated above him (Will Barton and Reggie Bullock) appeared in high school to have more early-entry NBA potential due to their size, athleticism, 3-point shooting, or a combination thereof.
But neither one of those guys is having a better year than Lamb, more because of the nature of the game they are playing. In an NBA draft, they would both go higher because they are more able to defend their position at that level.
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Valid points
Because I think that college scouting services have a tendency to try and ape NBA scouting, meaning they’re going to rave about guys with the size and athleticism to have a natural NBA position. I still think they were wrong.
At a certain point, skill level trumps raw athletic ability, and even the NBA will notice it. A player like Stephen Curry or Ray Allen wasn’t going to fit the NBA ideal coming out of HS, but once they showed that their shooting/scoring ability translated into the highest level of college basketball, they became far more valued commodities than more athletic guys who were rated ahead of them at one time.
Lamb might not be that good (although I’m not going to put a limit on his potential when he’s played this well on his first 12 games), but he could end up a similar case. Or he could end up another great shooter without the other skills to thrive in the NBA. We’ll see. In the meantime, I’m ecstatic UK has him instead of Barton or anyone else.
Ray Allen
Kudos to Pitino for spotting his skills in HS. Not heavily recruited by basketball powers, just UK and Connecticut (along with Alabama and South Carolina).
I met his Mom in Australia at the Olympics. She said he was THISCLOSE to picking UK in 1993.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 29, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
A pity that didn't happen.
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by Glenn Logan on Dec 29, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn't agree more ...
… about being glad to have him, and I also agree that college scouting services try to apply the NBA skillset, rather than college, to their determinations. Hence the undervalue of the midrange game in a 2-guard.
These evaluations are pretty subjective, really. I agree that there is a point where skill trumps athleticism, but the current NBA thinking is that you can teach skill but not size and athletic prowess. I think that’s true to a degree, but Lamb has a feel for the game that few of his peers have been able to match. As to whether Lamb was underrated in high school, well, that’s all just a matter of opinion anyway. I happen to think his positioning was about right to a little bit low.
I get the Curry comparison, but Allen? Really? Allen is an athletic freak, far more so than Curry. But I agree with your point that high school evaluations often don’t translate to the NBA as expected.
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by Glenn Logan on Dec 29, 2010 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Guess Allen is a push
I always think of Allen as a “skill” guy, but I watched some old highlight footage, and realize I underestimated how athletic he was in his prime.
My main point about Lamb, though, is this: No one thought he’d be one of the Top 10 freshman players in the country this year, despite the fact that he’s originally from NYC, and he played at Oak Hill (2 factors that would tend to cause a player to be overrated). Yet he clearly is.
Allen
Buried in rural SC away from the brights lights of big city. Not much AAU exposure.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 29, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
If a coach today wants a teaching tool for shooting the J
They should just make a video of Allen doing his regular thing – what a player.
Nick
All I know is...
he is really good…and silky,silky smooth.
by maysvilleblue on Dec 29, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Hood hadsome good minutes tonite
I pull for Jon every minute he’s out there. His D needs to improve, he was late to rotate a couple times. Maybe coulda gotten a charge. I was glad to see him get 14 mins. Poole didn’t do anything to raise his stock. I gotta say that I was a little disappointed with Josh’s rebounding. What did he have? Maybe 3 or 4? Loved that chasedown for the block. Josh has wheels? :) Vargas also. What did he have maybe 2 boards?, albeit in limited mins, against inferior kids. But, overall, a good, solid win. Now things get interesting from here on out.
FREE ENES!
Jon played pretty well.
You are right that he needs to defend better, but that wasn’t his problem tonight. The downside for Hood is that he is still unwilling to give up his body to get the lose ball, or fight and win the battle over rebounds. He gives up too easily.
Hood needs a mean streak in a bad way. I wonder if we could enlist the Big Cuz to come over and teach him how a little attitude can go a long way. :-)
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Cousins
On a Celtics blog a person threw out the ideal of them trading for Cuz and all the comments were negative, not one positive. Everyone thinks he has the stuff to be an all-star player but to big a risk to trade for.
I love Cuz but he sure has hurt himself with his flustrated attitude.
Nick
He'll be fine.
Some players have to find a coach that they can work with. Dennis Rodman is an extreme example, but he is sort of the archetype for the bad-boy player needing a light touch to play his best.
I don’t think Cousins will be anywhere near that eccentric, he just has to learn to trust. That comes hard for him, but it will eventually come.
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by Glenn Logan on Dec 29, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
He needed another 3 years of college....
well a guy can dream….
by maysvilleblue on Dec 29, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Harrellson's rebounds...
Not sure how much I can complain about his rebounds. Most of them were offensive (3 of 4), which is where he has excelled this year. When the team is shooting 57% from the field, there just aren’t a lot of opportunities to get an offensive rebound in the 20 minutes he saw action. Further, Coppin St. put up a lot of long shots that left long rebounds for the mid-sized guys to pick up. Even Jones only had 6 rebounds.
CalZones?
Ahahaha! That’s funny! Especially since he’s Italian.
Maybe Cal is trying to get different defenses in shape for Louisville? Give Pitino something new to look at and have to adjust to.
Put some meatballs in my CalZone
That was probably as much zone as I’ve ever seen from any of Cal’s teams. (Perhaps more early, but I didn’t watch much of his Camby teams). He threw out a couple that were fun to watch, As Glenn mentioned there was an interesting 3-2 and a zone or two that switched back to man-to-man upon certain ball penetration.
I still love the man D and hope its our mainstay, we are starting to play it pretty good. I can also understand Cal playing with things in order to “protect” foul-ridden folks. We have a long season left and still have a short bench. It would be real nice to add one more player….
At one point
the zone actually resembled the “point drop” zone that Joe Hall used on occasion in the early 80s, late 70s. Cal says Hall comes to practice and makes suggestions.
I suspect the use of zones last night served two purposes. One, it allowed the team to work on something Cal may use occasionally. Two, it allowed the UL scouts to focus on something Cal has no intention of using in the next game.
At least Cal
Has the Cajones to use the CalZones.
Nick
by KansasUKCat on Dec 29, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Is that CAL-jones?
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Cats made progress this game and that is what is important.
Two points which have probably been beaten to death, but I think there may be more reason for discussion.
Miller: What Miller is not yet grasping about his situation is that while he does not have to score for the team to win, he does have to score to help make other players better. Miller scoring from inside drives or that one handed floater of his will open lanes for Terrence. Other teams saw Jones pounding everyone and decided to change their focus to Terrence and that has caused him some difficulty. If Miller is productive it will make Jones more productive.
Harrellson: HE has become a lynchpin for this team. He now moves 100% better than he did even this summer, he is more athletic, more focused, and is looking for the ball more. There is no reason that young man cannot be nailing down double doubles nightly. What that does is bring to light another dilemma. Is this team better off taking the outside shots and making the D come to them, or trying to look inside more and letting that open up the outside shooters?
Also of note, the “Calzone” seems to be more fluent each time it is deployed, but some of the guys still look like a fish out of water playing it. But Cal is making it more of a “matchup” zone which helps.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 29, 2010 8:54 AM EST reply actions
I wonder what Cal would say....
if he was asked who is the better overall player, Wall or Knight? I must admit, I thought there would be a huge hole to fill at point guard, but I think I like Knight’s game better than Wall’s from a team aspect. Much sooner than Wall, he has figured out how to get with the flow of the game, and not try to force anything. He made 2 early silly TOs and Cal stopped play to have a chat, and he didn’t turnover the rest of the game. Don’t get me wrong, J Wall was a fantastic player for UK, but I find myself just as comfortable, if not more so with Knight running the point. And he has a much better outside shot.
This is going to sound like a knock on Wall, but it really is not, just a point of fact.
John Wall is a human highlight reel. He can do anything he wants to do anytime he wants to do it. There is more pure basketball player in him than anyone I have seen since Jordan. The difference between him and Brandon is that Brandon probably has a shade more humility in him, and a different approach to the game. He can still make a big shot, he can still make a tough pass, but he does not do it with as much flash or splash as John does. And I don’t mean that in a bad way for John. He has the ability to do those things and make it look like the next Sportscenter highlight. Brandon does it, then goes back to work, with his lunchbox in hand.
There is nothing wrong with either guy, just a different approach.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 29, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Wall is freakishly talented just as you wrote...
Knight does not have the same physical options as Wall, therefore the different approach.
Seen both play in person and it’s pure joy to watch them both.
by blue oregon on Dec 29, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Amen to this!
I get the Wizards games on my local cable, but haven’t seen much of John with the injuries. Plus, his team is a mess.
We talked about this way back before the season.
I thought Knight would be a better college point guard, and I think that’s happening. He is a slightly better defender, but where he really shines is taking care of the ball. Even though he really made some bad decisions passing last night, he is a big part of the reason why Kentucky is one of the best ballhandling teams in the nation.
Knight, as hard as it is to believe, has a more robust skillset than Wall, especially for the college game. He’s a better shooter and passer, and he is a very good athlete despite not reaching Wall’s amazing athletic level.
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by Glenn Logan on Dec 29, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Vargas
Seems to be coming along a little, too, which I like.
But, is it just me or does it seem to anyone else that when he (Vargas) jumps, he doesn’t seem to leave the floor? I mean its almost as if he just picks his feet off the floor without elevating, or something, like jumping rope. For a 6’11" guy, he never seems to get the ball above the rim.
call out to fourty
I’m too lazy to look up the stats, but wonder what the head to head score is in Cal vs. Pitino?
UK1972
At least you had the ‘O’ right and not an ‘A’ – lol.
Nick
by KansasUKCat on Dec 29, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Reminds me of a joke.
Why does Irish bean soup have only 239 beans?
Because just one more bean would make it (in your best Irish accent) “two-farty.”
Sorry, had to share.
Not Sure
Cal was 1-3 vs UK at UMass in 1991-92-96 and 1-0 vs U of L in 2010 season. So 2-3 but I’ll have to check the Louisville vs Memphis numbers from 2001 through 2009.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 29, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Pitino 4-2 Vs Calipari (2003 Through 2009)
Still hunting 2001 and 2002 results.
So far Pitino is 7-4 vs Calipari.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 29, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Pitino 7-5 Vs Calipari
3-1 vs Cal while P was UK coach.
4-3 vs Cal while P was U of L coach and Cal at Memphis.
0-1 vs Cal with P at U of L and Cal at UK.
Don’t know about their NBA W-L head-2-head in 1997-98-99-2000.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 29, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
John Clay's article
has a sidebar and says Cal is 6-8 vs. Pitino in college, 3-3 in pros.
http://www.kentucky.com/2010/12/29/1582204/john-clay-pitino-rising-to-caliparis.html
Look forward not backward
Folks, its time, I think, to start commenting on this year’s team without seemingly endless comparisons to last year, including Knight “vs” Wall. The gist of the comments I hear or read is essentially that Knight will never be as good as Wall. So what? As long as Knight plays up to and from time to time exceeds his abilities, then that’s all anyone could expect.
This team is different than the outfit of 12 months ago, in that they seem to improve at least a little bit each time out and they usually play pretty hard. So, on to the Yum to face Louisville State!
by westcoastKYfan on Dec 29, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions
Anybody notice the two really nice passes
Jones made to Harrelson in kind of a high-low post set? The thing that can make that so effective is that Jones has incredibly quick hands (notice him pick off that rebound without leaving the floor—like the strike of a rattlesnake) and can keep the defense honest with his ability to drive.
It happened twice in the second half and was really cool. The defense was so frozen by guarding against Jones’ drive that even Jorts had time to make the bucket underneath. Impressive, but it happens best, of course, when Jones is facing the basket. He still looks a “little” uncomfortable with his back to the basket.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
But not his right side!!!!!
Premature post button push, there.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Finally got to watch the game on replay...
UK, overall, played a very efficient game. That’s probably the first time I could say that about the team this year. The only issues I saw were a few lazy offensive mistakes, it took a bit to adjust to the “CalZone” defense, and they missed several open shots in the first half.
Miller played a much better game than he has previously. I’ve seen a lot of “intense” posts and I agree with them. But I also think he made better decisions on offense. When he got the ball, he made the open pass when he should have and took the shot when he should have. He didn’t score a lot, but he did take the open shot when it was there. I’d still like to see him become more involved in the offense by asking for the ball – make the defense play him more honestly – and we’d see even more opportunities for the “stars” to get open shots. Last night was a big step in the right direction. Hope he continues improving.
Glad to see Hood got a decent amount of playing time. I think he could be a viable option – just needs to hit his open 3s like he did in high school, and get more aggressive on defense. He should be on the Harrellson practice schedule, IMO.
Seems to me that
when UK went to the zone, their offense went flat. Any thoughts on a correlation?
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Yeah, they have not yet learned how to play non-transition basketball......
they play so much off of their defense and fast breaks that coming down and setting up is a different twist for them, and that happens much more hen you play zone than when you play tight man-to-man. They will adjust and should do it pretty quickly. Remember that you are seeing the DDMO more this year, and it is not as easy to get into from a non-breaking type of defense.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 30, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions

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