SEC Basketball: What Happened To The Great Expectations?
Everyone thought the SEC would be better this year than it was last year. The SEC 2010-11 was supposed to be older (with the notable exception of the Kentucky Wildcats), even more talented with the addition of several strong freshman classes, and generally better.
But something happened on the way to improvement. Last year, the SEC was 5th out of the Big Six BCS conferences on Ken Pomeroy's conference ratings, edging out the loathsome Pac 10 for the dubious honor of not being the rock bottom league among the Big Six. This year, the SEC has supplanted the Pac 10 at the bottom of the list at least for now, and is close to falling behind even the non-BCS Western Athletics Conference.
That is not to say that the SEC doesn't have good teams, it does. It just has too few for any BCS conference, and just as the Big East and ACC are the Weak Sisters of the Poor in football, the SEC is beginning to demonstrate just how tough it is to be good in both basketball and football.
This is not a new phenomenon. Gone are the halcyon days of 1999-2003, when the SEC ranked first or second among conferences in the RPI. In fact for four straight years between 1999 and 2002, The SEC was #1 among all the leagues in RPI. Here's how it looks graphically, courtesy of Statsheet.com:
In this case, lower is definitely better. As you can clearly see, the ugly truth is that the SEC has declined radically since 2003, and averaging higher worse than fourth since 2004. The SEC is currently 5th, but seems on track to take the bottom spot among the Big Six and possibly be eclipsed even by the WAC overall.
The SEC looked very good coming into this season, but here are just a few case studies in how things went wrong:
- The University of Tennessee brought in the second best recruiting class in the SEC, but Bruce Pearl's off-season shenanigans has proven to be a distraction. After reaching as high as #7 in the AP poll by defeating top ten Pittsburgh in a semi-home game for the Panthers, everyone marveled at how the Vols had come together in spite of Pearl's SEC suspension and yet-to-be-determined penalties from the NCAA.
The last four games by the Volunteers have been a classic example of the wheels falling off a team. We aren't talking about the odd lug nut or a wobbly wheel, we are talking about a team that is the equivalent of being up on concrete blocks. Just take a look at the recent results:
Tue Dec 14 84 Oakland L, 89-82 72 Home 7-1 Fri Dec 17 155 Charlotte L, 49-48 60 Away 7-2 Tue Dec 21 44 Southern California L, 65-64 64 Home 7-3 Thu Dec 23 64 Belmont W, 66-65 72 Home 8-3
After a surprise home lost to a solid Okland team, the Vols proceeded to score 48 whole points against the Charlotte 49ers and then lost at home to an inferior USC Trojans team, then nearly dropped another home game to the Belmont Bruins.
None of these teams save Charlotte is comparatively loathsome, but all of them should have been victories, especially at home, to the once- #7 team in the nation. - The Florida Gators were widely figured to win the SEC East, yet they dropped two games to teams that I'm sure Florida fans had figured as wins -- first, a semi-home affair against the UCF Knights, then another loss four games later to an in-state team, the Jacksonville Dolphins.
- Mississippi State was figured as a favorite in the West, and even a co-favorite with Florida for the overall SEC championship. But Rick Stansbury's patient waiting for Renardo Sidney backfired. Not only has MSU struggled in the absence of Sidney and Dee Bost, but when Sidney came back, he came back out of shape and promptly got himself suspended for conduct detrimental to the team.
Then, in what will probably be a final spasm of juvenile behavior, Sidney got into a fistfight with a teammate in Hawai'i at the Diamond Head Classic, the result of which was two losses in the Aloha State to teams that would have been considered inferior.
Not every SEC team has been a failure. The Vanderbilt Commodores have continued their consistent excellence, losing only twice so far to very good teams, and neither loss has been at home. The Kentucky Wildcats have performed well, losing only a road game to the rival North Carolina Tar Heels and a neutral-court game to the surprising Connecticut Huskies.
But other than that, the SEC teams have either played a bunch of nobodies and lost to the odd good team on their schedule, or they have just plain lost to every good team they've played and a few bad ones too. The upshot of all this is that the SEC looks, based on their non-conference performance, just to barely be good enough to get four or five teams into the NCAA tournament, and that's if the last few games of the non-conference season provide some impetus to marginal teams or they do particularly well in conference.
Of course, it is still early, and many things can change in the conference portion of the schedule. The problem is that "quality" non-conference wins outside the top three teams in the SEC are as rare as hen's teeth, and with only a few games to go, SEC teams are going to have to step up if they want to get on the right side of the bubble come March.
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While this might
help pad our record, it will definitely hurt our RPI. For us to improve in the rankings, we have to win almost all of the rest of our games.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
RPI
One thing that will help UK’s RPI this year is that they have mostly played good BCS teams and non-BCS teams that will do very well once conference play begins. Winthrop and East Tennessee St are the favorites to win their conferences, Boston is expected to contend for theirs, Portland should be in the top half of the WCC. Coppin St, Penn, and Miss Valley St will probably be the only drags on the RPI.
On the BCS side, Notre Dame, Washington, UConn are having good seasons that should continue into conference play. UL looks better than in the preseason, though I am personally still a little suspicious because of how much of their success has come at home, but still. I don’t think UNC is going to collapse like they did last year even if they aren’t top 25. Oklahoma is and will continue to be terrible and Indiana is better but the Big 10 is tough this year.
Overall, that’s a much better collection of opponents than the Cats had last year, so even with a few more losses it’s still a pretty good non-conference slate.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
The problem is the West
It’s hard to express just how awful the SEC West has been this year. Arkansas has been sort of OK, as has Ole Miss but neither team has a good win, just a lack of embarrassing losses. Alabama has mostly lost to BCS teams, but they also lost to St. Peters. LSU and Auburn have been giving away both wins and big checks to schools from lower rated conferences all season and of course Mississippi St. is a mess right now.
The East is almost exactly the opposite. There are a few bad losses with the ones you mentioned along with South Carolina at Furman, but mostly these are solid teams, each with at least 1 good win. Georgia’s two losses came while they were still working Trey Tompkins back into the lineup and both Notre Dame and Temple are very good teams this year.
The SEC is still on track to get 4 bids based on their non-conference work and if either Georgia or South Carolina was in the West they would probably be in too at the end of the season. As it is, I think the East is going to beat up on the West this year and then go mostly 6-4 or 5-5 against each other.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
Tennessee
I was looking at Tennessee’s schedule and saw that they have actually played Belmont twice this season, which has got to be pretty unusual. The first meeting was just a 9 point win for Tennessee.
Not sure what that means, but you have to think Belmont was much better prepared for that 66-65 game than they would have been otherwise.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
Belmont is a pretty good team, no doubt.
But not good enough to give UT that much trouble.
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conferences
I know the numbers probably don’t show it, but the Pac-10 is horrible this year as well. UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, didn’t these teams use to strike fear in opponents hearts?
Currently the ACC only has one team ranked – Duke – and they have one of the weakest schedules I’ve ever seen for a #1 ranked team. Duke won’t face another ranked opponent until the tournament. Didn’t Maryland use to win a bunch of games? Or N.C. State? What happened?
Big 12 has Kansas and Texas, but that’s about it. K-State has been basically unimpressive, and Missouri hasn’t played a quality opponent yet. Baylor got beat the other night, and the Oklahoma teams are off the radar.
Big Ten is going to be a meat grinder conference this year. There’s a lot of teams (Indiana) that are going to surprise people who think of them as a push over. I would say who ever wins that conference will be a Final Four contender – providing they can make it through that conference without any injuries.
Bad year across the board
I haven’t seen one team from any conference that’s really impressed me this year. All I’ve seen is a lot of mediocrity and worse. It should be a wide open tournament like never before.
SEC
I think, at the end of the yr., the SEC will be just about who we thought they were. I see UK, FL, TN, Vandy and maybe MSU getting in. FL………….not so much.
Is the problem with the SEC as a whole...
poor coaching or recruiting? Just because the SEC is big in football doesn’t mean it’s unattractive to basketball players. Maybe it’s dispassionate fans.
Football runs the SEC
Football schools are capable of having good football and basketball programs simultaneously. Texas and Ohio State are proof of that. The SEC is football happy and many of its schools just don’t make a proper commitment to their basketball programs. They’re giving Bubba what Bubba wants.
Texas and Ohio State have the largest budgets and student bodies around.
Even the schools that have temporarily appeared to have both football and basketball programs of note (Michigan and Florida) have very large budgets compared to most of the schools in the country.
I think this only proves that money matters.
Blame it on Coach Rupp, seriously.
Bubba’s dad, many years ago, said to himself: “We might not beat ‘dem Cats in that pansy basketball sport, where they don’t even tailgate before the game, but their football team sucks and we’ll just continue to kick their butts on the grass every year. Besides, Bubba and little Bubbino might get a scholarship in football where their guts will be an asset and they don’t have to run up and down the floor for forty minutes.”
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."
Rule of thumb.....
If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you have always gotten.
The SEC knows it and does not care.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 27, 2010 9:19 AM EST reply actions
Conference Cycles
The SEC will return to the top at some point and time. These things run in cycles. But I will say if the SEC as a whole is bringing in good recruiting classes but with little results to show for it,then I think you have to look at lackluster coaching as a culprit. I wouldn’t say the SEC has an abundance of really good coaches right now. We all know Cal can recruit but I wouldn’t call him a great coach. Billy D. is still bringing in talent down at Florida but I think he has lost some of his enthusiasm,or something,on the bench. I have said enough in recent weeks about Bruce Pearl so I won’t say more. And there isn’t a coach in the SEC west right now that scares me although Rick Stansbury is decent.. I would rate Gene Stallings the best in the SEC and he is finally starting to get some respect nationwide,as he should.
Coaches
Big East has the best and Big 10 not far behind.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 27, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
SEC Should Be A Cakewalk This Year
UK could have 14-2 record if not better.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 27, 2010 10:23 AM EST reply actions
That's possible
But I’m not expecting that. We all know UK has the big bullseye on it’s chest and will get everybody’s “A” game especially when on the road. Youth and lack of depth will be a problem especially if officials are calling it close (homecooking) and the Cats get in foul trouble. Land mines exist especially in the East. UF,UT,Vandy and UGA will be very tough games to win for a young UK team with little depth.
by maysvilleblue on Dec 27, 2010 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Certainly There Are Land Mines (Injury, Etc)
But a healthy UK team should defeat the great of SEC opponents it faces in 2011.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 27, 2010 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
If Enes is declared eligible in January we can go undefeated in the SEC
Nick
by KansasUKCat on Dec 27, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
True Dat
This UK team + Enes Kanter would not be defeated by SEC team in 2011.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 27, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I'm forced to agree.
See my latest for why. Kanter would singlehandedly improve UK’s 2-point FG%, and the ’Cats would instantly become a very serious contender for the national championship, instead of a dark horse.
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Not So This Year
SEC is weak as a conference in 2011.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 27, 2010 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
You are correct
the SEC is weak this year. However, with a young team, with no demonstrated leader yet, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, and Mississippi State will be tough places to play.
Can't quite agree with you there.
I agree that away games with UT and Vandy will be tough, perhaps Ga. as well. M.ST. comes to Rupp and Ark. should be an easy double digit win. I have seen SC play and they play hard with minimum talent and no Devan Downey to pull them through this year. UK should have no more than 2 or 3 SEC losses come tourney time, with or without Kanter.
Too early to tell....
if this UK team will be able to dominate even in a weak SEC. I don’t think we can in any way believe Kanter will be on this team,you never know what you will get from Jones or Miller for that matter. And two players is foul trouble is a huge,huge problem for this team.
by maysvilleblue on Dec 27, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
The SEC West should be a cake walk, the East not so much
The road games at Tennessee, Georgia, Vandy, and Florida will still be as difficult as ever. South Carolina doesn’t have Downey, but are better overall. Can UK win those games? Sure. Will they? I doubt it – I would guess 2-3 on the road against the East and I wouldn’t be completely shocked if they went 1-4.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
SEC RPI's
The east division has an average RPI of 17 while the West average is 181.
This will always be an ongoing problem for the power rating of the SEC in BB. The west division concentrates primarily on football and that will not change because of the fan base – never.
One other problem is the lost of two good caoches: Noland Richardson and Mark Gottfried. Noland could really recruit and coach, while Mark was probably a better recruiter then being a coach. Those two losts of high caliber coaches really hurt the west division.
Nick
I guess I was referring mostly to his recruiting abilities
But to his credit, he did take Murray State and Alabama to the NCAA seven times over his carreer which lasted 13+ years. He even took Alabama to the elite 8 in 2004.
Nick
Gottfreid was a very good recruiter.
He was not a particularly good bench coach.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
I think Forty has a good point here folks
We do not have a very tough schedule from here on out. That is unless something changes drastically. Louisville aside ( since it does not matter what kind of a year anyone is having when that games is played), we have a few interesting matchups to look ahead to.
Both Tennessee games will be interesting. We could get a sweep this year, or we could lose both. Tennessee cannot seem to shake the Jeckyl/Hyde personality.
I think we can and will sweep Florida this year. I think that the away game for Georgia and the away game for Vandy will both be trap games that we need to be very aware of.
There is an outside shot that we run the table again in the SEC this year regular season and tourney. And I am not counting on Enes in that equation. Admittedly it is a long shot, but the chances are there.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 27, 2010 10:51 AM EST reply actions
Running the table
I love your optimism and maybe I am a bit pessimistic but I would be completely surprised if this team runs the table this year in the SEC. You can’t always put a lot of stock in pre-conference wins or loses. The teams with bad losses may not be that bad and the teams with good wins may not be that good. So it could very well be the SEC isn’t that bad although the West appears to me a mess. If i were be asked to give a record in the SEC for this Kentucky team I would say 11-5. There is a lot of youth,too little depth and you never know what Jones is going to bring. But 16-0 would be glorious!
by maysvilleblue on Dec 27, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
admittedly it is an outside shot as I said above.......
but not that far outside
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 27, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Right now..
All I want is a win at the dreaded Yum! Center. Then bring on the SEC!
BTW when it comes time for Rupp to be replaced I hope and pray there isn’t a corporate sponsor with a name as goofy as Yum! that has the naming rights.
by maysvilleblue on Dec 27, 2010 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Amen Brother....Amen
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 27, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Come on
You wouldn’t like the Taco Bell name ‘South of The Border’ center or the Imodium ‘Pleased not Squeezed’ center…?
Nick
by KansasUKCat on Dec 27, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Would much rather see them playing in the Maker's Mark Arena,
on Adolph Rupp Court.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 27, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I have done contract engineering work for Maker's years ago
And I tell you, that is one fine establishment. Until a person works behind the scenes you’ll never know the true workings of a place. Its the cleanest and most proud place I’ve ever been in.
Nick
by KansasUKCat on Dec 27, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Try The Cherries Soaked In MM Yet?
I got them as Xmas gift for sister and brother-in-law in KY.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 27, 2010 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of Maker's
I just got my Ambassador’s holiday gift in the mail today. Its a little Maker’s Mark ice ball maker mold. I’m making ice in it as we speak. : )
Now that would be great...
and has a nice ring to it. I’m more of a Woodford guy though. How about The Bourbon Trail Arena? And of course Adolph Rupp Court.
by maysvilleblue on Dec 27, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are on to something Maysville
That would be a quality name if we had to have corporate sponsers – ‘The Bourbon Trail’ center. That way you could multiple sponsers as mentioned previously. Cuts the cost for sponsership and they would all be proud Kentucky companies to boot. Email that suggetion to the athletics department.
Nick
At one time, UK rejected all advertising from alcohol companies.
Following the football player DUI accident.
I agree maysvilleblue-
Winning all SEC games is tough, even if the league is down this year. I think, UK has only run the table twice. Away games at Vanderbilt and Tennessee stand out to me as being really tough. But, if we were to get Enes…
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
Twice?
UK ran the table in SEC from 1946 through 1951 – 6 seasons in a row.
The only other time UK ran the table was 2003.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 29, 2010 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Whats unfortunate Forty
Is that us old folks view those 40’s, 50’s and 60’s wins as UK history. The young folks on here view them as ‘ancient history’ – back in the times of the Roman Empire.
Nick
You got that right Kansas
It never fails to amaze me how young most of our members are. They honestly don’t know much about our rich history. When I think back it doesn’t seem that long a go. I was listening to Claude Sullivan,then Cawood Ledford. They would paint a picture “Folks the cats are driving to the left side of you dial” We knew the distance on each shot and whither was long,short or bounced on the rim. They were artists!
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
Folly Of Expectations
We long-suffering UK football fans should know very well the folly of capricious expectations. And should one have the time and inclination much could be made of the strategic relationship between football and men’s basketball in the SEC. As usual Dr. Johnson (that would be Samuel, the master of pith and wit) nailed the likely results:
"It is generally known, that he who expects much will be often disappointed; yet disappointment seldom cures us of expectation, or has any effect other than that of producing a moral sentence or peevish exclamation"
And peevish exclamations are what we inevitably hear from those who expect something other than what history has proved to be the apt results: football haves will be basketball have nots and vice versa.
"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776
Lamb POW (Twice); Cats #11
Doron Lamb is ESPN POW; also SEC POW while teammate Brandon Knight is SEC FOW. Cats #11 and 12 in polls.
"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776

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