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College Basketball 2010: The Naughty and Nice

Santa, here's who's been naughty, and who's been nice.

With Christmas just around the corner, Santa is quite busy readying his reindeer, organizing his lists, and motivating his elves to work just a little harder, just a little faster.  So in an effort to help the bearded one, I've taken the reindeer by the antlers, and put together a list of those who have been naughty and been nice during this past year.  While not an exhaustive list, it should at least help put Santa on the right track of who's deserving of a very merry Christmas and who deserves to spend The Season in Antarctica, counting ice chips. 

So readers, enjoy, and feel free to add your own thoughts on who's been naughty and who's been nice in 2010.

Star-divide

Nice -- Pitt head coach Jamie Dixon: Back in October, Dixon risked life and limb to help motorists who had just been in a horrific car accident.  Good Samaritans are hard to come by, but one can be found in Pittsburgh.  He tops the 2010 "Nice List."

Naughty -- (Some) University of Washington Huskie fans: This, for chanting "liar" whenever UK's Terrence Jones touched the ball in the UK vs. UW game in Maui.  The geniuses in the Great Northwest seemed to have forgotten that at least one of their own players reneged on a verbal commitment to attend a different school.  Never mind the fact that Jones was an 18-year old high school kid when he made his error in judgment.  It's now, quite obvious, Mr. Jones taking his considerable talents to Lexington was the right move ... and really, was there ever any doubt?

Nice -- Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski: Coach K rode the NCAA Selection Committee's less-than-challenging tournament bracket to his fourth national title.  And furthermore, he continues to do it the right way (no sanctions, no scandals).  I know, 'Cat fans, that's hard to swallow, but the truth is sometimes tough to deal with.

Naughty -- Louisville guard Preston Knowles: For punching his girlfriend's step-father in the face during an altercation in May.  Classy, real classy. 

Naughty -- Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl: Pearl hosted the now infamous barbecue for an accumulation of junior recruits, which of course ran contrary to NCCA bylaws.  Making matters worse than they should be (isn't that what a cover-up always does), he lied about the event to the NCAA, and asked the recruits, and the parents of the recruits, to do likewise.  And of course, there's those pesky impermissable phone calls ...  

Nice -- Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl: Even with a whirlwind of sanctions awaiting him and his program (to go along with an eight-game suspension dished out by SEC commish Mike Slive), Pearl has focused his team on the matter at hand, mainly playing winning basketball.  Considering the distractions, the bad press, and a challenging early season schedule, Pearl has this group of Volunteers playing defense, and making shots.  Pearl has to be the early leader for National Coach of the Year.

Naughty -- Florida coach Billy Donovan: Is he worth the king's ransom the Gators are paying him?  I think not ... at least not until his teams learn that defending is just as important as putting the ball through the hoop.  A fact Donovan has struggled to convey to his Gator teams (save '06 & '07) since he took the job in 1996. 

Naughty -- Daniel Orton: Instead of playing in the NBA's D League, Orton could be leading the 'Cats in blocked shots, rebounding, and in-the-lane baby hooks.  Although we wish Orton only the best, it's hard not to think about the what-could-have-beens.

Nice -- Butler head coach Brad "I'm perpetually 25" Stevens: Stevens and his mid-major Bulldogs took Duke to the brink of extinction, before succumbing to the Blue Devils on a missed trey try in the final seconds of the national title tilt back in April.  Stevens' recruiting -- he dipped into Wildcat country to nab Shelvin Mack -- and solid bench coaching have propelled Butler into the national conversation.  Keeping them there will be just as difficult.

Naughty -- Kansas coach Bill Self: Self took the most talented team during the 2010 season and lost in the Second Round of the NCAA Tournament to a team (Northern Iowa) absent any player capable of starting for the Jayhawks.  And it isn't the first time ...

Nice -- John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Eric Bledsoe, Patrick Patterson, Perry Stevenson, Daniel Orton, and Ramon Harris: These former Kentucky standouts are chiefly responsible for bringing UK basketball back to the forefront of the college basketball universe.  Relevancy is everything to Kentucky fans, and these players made the most storied basketball program in the nation relevant once again.

Naughty -- Louisville head coach Rick Pitino: Really, do I need to expound?

Nice -- Louisville head coach Rick Pitino: All Pitino has done this season is take a team lacking in heralded athletes and convinced them they are actually pretty good.  Sound familiar?  Sitting undefeated at 8-0 (and ranked No. 20/21 in the polls), and with an impressive home win against a good UNLV team, Pitino is once again working his underdog magic.  Whether said magic holds up in the rugged Big East remains to be seen (is it really that rugged, though?), but so far, so good for those unfortunate Card lovers.

Naughty -- The NCAA: Can a brother get a ruling? 

Naughty -- Connecticut basketball coach Jim Calhoun: Calhoun's UConn program was cited for eight violations by the NCAA this past year -- Impermissible phone calls and text messages, giving recruits improper benefits, improperly distributing game tickets to AAU and high school coaches, and Calhoun himself was cited for failing to promote an atmosphere of compliance.  Naughty, indeed.

Nice -- UConn guard Kemba Walker: Kid's got game all day long.

Nice -- ESPN's Dick Vitale and CBS Sports/Sports Illustrated's Seth Davis: For their steadfast defense of UK coach John Calipari.  Even in the face of an onslaught of national media criticism of Calipari and his "tactics," Vitale and Davis had the good sense to see the "bullhockey" for what it was.  An attack on a successful coach who takes chances, but operates within the boundaries of NCAA rules.  Kudos to them both.

Nice -- Kentucky coach John Calipari: All Calipari has done, in roughly 20 months on the job, is re-establish UK as a basketball power, after four years in purgatory.  He's recruited three No. 1 recruiting classes in a row, taken his young 'Cats to the Elite Eight (a first for UK since 2005), and positioned himself to win, and win big over the coming decade.  His energy and enthusiasm for Kentucky, and for fans of the 'Cats, fits the profile of a man destined for greatness in the Bluegrass.

Extra Nice -- Kentucky coach John Calipari: This for him spearheading the Hoops for Haiti fundraiser in support of the Haitian people after a January earthquake devastated the already impoverished island nation.  Calipari's efforts, along with the generous donations of UK fans around the world, raised over 1.2 million dollars for the relief effort -- A Hat Tip to A Sea of Blue member JLeverenz for reminding me of the Hoops for Haiti cause.

Happy Holidays Big Blue Nation!!  And for my CoachCal.com Christmas wish list for out Boys in Blue, go here

Thanks for reading and Go 'Cats!

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How about a Nice for the Murray State Racers

who gave Butler all they wanted before losing in last season’s tournament.

by jdogblue on Dec 14, 2010 8:15 PM EST reply actions  

jdog

Yes, Murray gave Butler all they could handle. To be honest, I had forgotten about that.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Very, very "Nice"

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Randall Cobb: FIrst Team AP All-America at the “football player” (a.k.a. All-Purpose) position

You are the man, Randall! You deserve this award as much as any player I have ever seen.

Give it one more heroic effort against Pitt, and then go get paid. You deserve that, too.

-- Tim

by HSLex on Dec 14, 2010 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

AMEN!!!

Don't take life too seriously; no one gets out alive.

by hoboat33 on Dec 15, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It may have happened before, but...

Cobb is the only player I can remember who made both first team All SEC (all purpose) AND second team (WR) in the same season. He’s a credit to the program on and off the field.

Slogan for the NCAA: If it ain't broke, break it.

by UKCat on Dec 15, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting point, UKCat

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I think our eyes are getting spoiled to some major talent around here lately:

Last Year: First-Team All-America basketball: John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins
This Year: First-Team All-America foottball: Randall Cobb

That’s a lot of First-Team in a short span of time. Maybe someone (like 40!) knows how that stacks up historically at UK….

-- Tim

by HSLex on Dec 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

.... actually,

… since Wall and Cousins were 2010 selections, and so is Cobb, then there is no “Last Year” in the above post.

That is 3 guys on First-Team in the same year….

That has to make some history around here. (In terms of football and basketball. I don’t know about baseball, archery, tennis, swimming. etc…)

-- Tim

by HSLex on Dec 15, 2010 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually, I was referring to the fact that the SAME PLAYER made both first team and second team SEC in the same year.

I got this information from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, so it may be wrong anyway. Man, am I getting cynical in my old age.

Slogan for the NCAA: If it ain't broke, break it.

by UKCat on Dec 15, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Paul Calhoun

In ’83 Calhoun made the 2nd team AA team (Sporting News) as a safety/punter. In ’84 he made the AP AA team, also as a safety/punter.

His AA status was based on his work at safety, not punter … I believe.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Rafael Little

In ‘05 he was 1st Team All-SEC as an all-purpose player, and 2nd team as a running back. He’s the only UK player so honored, as far as I can tell.

I was wrong on Calhoun above. His AA honors were as a punter.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Where's Bobo?-

The Vols just lost to Oakland in Knoxville!

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Dec 14, 2010 9:08 PM EST reply actions  

Great game,

if you’re Oakland. Now for a little UL/Drexel action.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 14, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Think I'll scout L'ville...

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Dec 14, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

he's probably throwing up someplace.

Note to self, never ever talk too much trash about how good your team is on a rival fans’ blog the day of a game. It only spells disaster. ; )

Super fun post, btw, Ken. Thanks.

by BigSkyCat on Dec 14, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions  

That is a

good thing to remember.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 14, 2010 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks, BSC, I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Isn’t that just the way it goes. I write something good about Pearl and UT and they go out and lose at home to a Horizon League team. Although folks, Oakland is a pretty darn good team.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 14, 2010 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah,

I certainly wouldn’t try and say anything negative about UT after this one little loss. I just found it so ironic that this happened after their fans were over here beating their chests (in another thread) about how great they were doing and how far they could go. Just struck me funny. I never usually try and take one loss as meaning all that much. I’m sure they will rebound from this, no problem.

And, it was good of you to write what you did about UT and Pearl. It was all true. The naughty and the nice. I still find it perplexing that Pearl did what he did because he’s a decent coach and has had really good success recruiting lately. He didn’t have to be naughty in order to win as he’s not totally horrible at what he does. It’s like a millionaire stealing groceries when they have exactly what they need in order to get said groceries in their wallet. It’s just dumb and super hard to understand the reason why.

by BigSkyCat on Dec 14, 2010 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I've said that exact same thing a thousand times,

Pearl is really a great recruiter and pretty darn good coach. Why he thought it necessary to break a silly NCAA rule, in order to get ahead in the recruiting war, is beyond me. He’s shown he can reel in the big fish without the benefit of shenanigans. You ask the great question, “Why?” We’ll probably never know.

Didn’t know bobo had been around today, but darn, that’s funny. Nothing worse than bragging about your team during the day and then that night they absolutely implode.

But really, it’s not that surprising if you think about it. UT just came off an emotional win over Pitt, and Oakland, although they lost to Mich. St. by only two points, doesn’t exactly warm the cockles of the players’ hearts.

The very definition of a “trap game.” Well, I’ll enjoy it while I can :)

by Ken Howlett on Dec 14, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

There is only one list Bruce Pearl should be on

The buffoon list and on that list he is clearly at the top.

by maysvilleblue on Dec 15, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

No way Pearl belongs on the nice list in any capacity IMO. He’s darn lucky, I am Santa thats for sure.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 15, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Its just greed

In Pearl’s case he isn’t satisfied in taking smaller steps to improve his program, he wants it all now. And with coach Cal’s success at landing recruits it sticks in his craw that he hasn’t matched that.

As far as millionaire’s, none of them will ever be truly happy until they have a 0% tax rate.

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Dec 15, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

bobo is apologizing to the karma monster........she is a horrendous taskmaster......lol

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 14, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

the nerve of some people.......lol.....making UT lose like that!!!

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 14, 2010 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

+1000 Wineman

Totally rec’d for that one.

I believe the appropriate response here would be a resounding LOL.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 15, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

One Rec. Greg!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Dec 15, 2010 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Ken

You left out the cream of the nice, Glenn,yourself and everyone else who keeps this “awesome” adventure we all flock to everyday. ASoB has been extra nice at my house! Go Cats!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Dec 14, 2010 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

Well, thanks oldcat, that's very kind.

But, believe me, we wouldn’t do what we do if we didn’t enjoy it. Plus, it’s the members that make this place hum along.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 14, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

More Calipari niceness

The Hoops for Haiti that Cal organized on short notice – all things considered that really should be considered one of the best days in program history.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Dec 14, 2010 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

Ask, and it shall be.

I’ve included, at the bottom of the post, Coach’s Hoops for Haiti efforts.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 14, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Greg

Is that you in the Santa Suit?

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Dec 14, 2010 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

ho ho ho......Merrrrrrrry Christmas!!!!!!

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 14, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Ken?
Nice — Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski:

smdh….

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 14, 2010 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

shaking my damn head.

Twitter is a wealth of knowledge for us old folks. : )

by BigSkyCat on Dec 14, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Twitter is the awesome

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 14, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Coach K is forever on the naughty list!

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 14, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I found that one hard to read

Actually, I think I skipped it when I saw dUKe preceded by nice. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Dec 14, 2010 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep - thats another one I just cant agree with.

Coach K, Brucie Bruce, and Ricky P are straight up NAUGHTY. Not a nice thing about them.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 15, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Double your pleasure,

double your fun, UL goes down too.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 14, 2010 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

Yep,

listen and you can hear the implosion of the Yum Center. Mass hysteria over at CC.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 14, 2010 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Shoot 32.6% and get outrebounded by 20

and you’ll lose every time. 46 points the scored. Wow.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 14, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Drexel scored 52 points, had 22 turnovers, was 12-25 from the line...and won by 6

wow

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 15, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I watched the last 10 minutes of the game

Both teams had no offense. They were jacking wild shots, not running many set plays, and the free throws……

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 15, 2010 8:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Just exchanged emails wtih Glenn

and he said he’s thinking of suing because of the psychological trauma caused by watching. LOL!

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions  

wait until he reads what the NCAA is getting ready to do.....lol

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I was

at our dining room table addressing Christmas cards during that time and I can’t totally see the tv from there but I could hear my husband moaning and groaning, and going, oh my gosh.

He basically said the same thing you just said. He also muttered something about UL shooting like 10%. I asked him if it was from the FT line, and he said, “heck, from everywhere”!! : )

by BigSkyCat on Dec 15, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

oh, no.

I have much better taste than that. : )

Basically moaning and groaning about the bad basketball being played. That’s all. Just disgusted by bad basketball.

by BigSkyCat on Dec 15, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha!

Now I wish I had seen the game. It sound epically bad … is "epically? a word?

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

it is now!!!

goes right along with “The Annexation Of Puerto Rico”…..lol

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

With The General Bobby Knight

As the new Comandante/Governor of the state.

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Dec 15, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Miss Martin

my english lit teacher said Beowulf was an epically. I had to look it up to make sure.
It’s amazing what tidbits of information we retain.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Dec 15, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Kansas

I was referencing the Poem.
Amen to Jolie. Didn’t grow them like that back in my day.
We can thank Tyson Foods for Jolie and others like her. All the hormones in our fastfood, especially in chicken, is helping young girls blossom into EPICS like Jolie.
 

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Dec 15, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Clark Kellogg

would have said both teams showed a great deal of epicality in that horrendous effort.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 15, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

See – even Santa couldnt stand the thought of Bruce Pearl and Rick Pitino as “nice.” ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 15, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Started out as a ho hum

Tuesday night in the basketball world but two big upsets made it quite entertaining. That they happened to be big rivals whose fans can’t keep their mouths shut was icing on the cake. I think I can sleep well now.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 14, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

Duke is forever on my naughty list, and I'll at least

try to defend it beyond just being jealous (which is, admittedly, part of it).

1. The media paints Duke as something its not, and Duke plays right along with it.

The media acts like Duke recruits nothing but stellar students who happen to be great basketball players. BS, BS, and more BS. A big chunk of Duke’s roster wouldn’t get into Duke as students if they weren’t stud players. They make accommodations for players just like every other program. Are there a lot of guys they won’t take that other schools will? Sure. But then, Duke uses its high academic standards as a recruiting edge over other schools when it comes to the players who have strong academic backgrounds. UK, Kansas, and UNC all take players who don’t meet normal academic requirements for the school. So does Duke.

2. Questionable things have occurred around the Duke program, and no one in the media seems to care.

Maggette. Chris Duhon’s mother suddenly finding a much better job, for much better pay, in the Durham area, for a company run by a Duke grad, after Duhon signed with Duke. Carlos Boozer taking 18 credit hours over the summer (so he could graduate in 3 years) when he was playing on a US international team, and was out of town for 3 weeks.

3. The fact that everyone seems to forget Duke’s failures.

They were overrated almost every year of the 2000’s. They lost in the NCAA’s to lower seeds in 2000, 02, 03, and 05 through 09 (every year). Their one title, 01, included a FF game against Maryland that involved famously questionable refereeing after they fell behind by 20 (including one of the most obvious cases of a ref swallowing his whistle I’ve ever seen, when Jayson Williams should have been called for his 4th foul in the 1st half).

Anyway, that’s my anti-Duke diatribe. Great program. Not dominant, not operating on a different plane from everyone else.

by mjj_001 on Dec 14, 2010 11:30 PM EST reply actions  

Duke Is The # 1 Program Of The Past 25 Years

11 FF, 4 NCAA titles – double what anyone else has in that timeframe.

Perfect? No. But the clearly the best right now.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 14, 2010 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right about Duke.
  1. Program of the past 25 years, but the negatives just seemed to get swept under the rug. Shady things go on their, or at least have went on their, just like at every other big time program, but nothing every seems to happen to Duke. Still, Coach K is the best coach with the best program.

By the way, early Christmas present, UL got beat by Drexel at the YUM Center.

by ScottWalls on Dec 15, 2010 4:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Duke.

Hummmmm! Sam Gilbert Ghost,hanging around Dukeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

Go CATTTTTTTTTTTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by oilliecat on Dec 15, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Kentcuky Has Ghosts, Too

UK was penalized in 1953, 1964, 1976, 1988, and 1989.

by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 15, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

But UK is not held up as a bastion of all that’s right with college athletics. Quite the opposite.

Duke is.

by mjj_001 on Dec 15, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Not often

do i disagree with Forty, but this time I have to.
They are looked upon as The Virgin Mary. Diss them at your peril.
We are looked down on as the Devil. Trash us all you want.
Neither of us are anywhere near what we are portrayed to be.

I have an intense dislike for the alphabet man and the golden triangle men in general.
I spent two years at Camp LeJeune. The girls loved the uniform and the guys hated us.
They liked to catch one Marine out by himself.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Dec 15, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

But over the last 15

Its 4 and 2.

UNC during the last 15 is at 6 and 2. Not that I’m a UNC fan, just saying- Duke is not so clearly the best right now, unless you just consider last year and this year.

by mjj_001 on Dec 15, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Duke legend

While Coach K has a great deal of success, the legend requires overlooking a lot of obvious facts that make the purity of the reputation suspect. The best case is a rather long essay republished here:
http://coachksucks.com/anti-duke-manifesto/

Full disclosure – I know the author of the essay, and I am the UK fan referenced in the second paragraph. (I feel like 40YearCatFan with my inside, personal knowledge:)

by JackBluto on Dec 15, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

very interesting

gonna have to take 2 nites to read it tho….lol

by Bluehound on Dec 15, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

2 nights?

Try 2 weeks! ; )

Really though, I skimmed through the whole thing (I’m a skimmer by nature naturally anyway) and I found it to be a wonderful piece. The fan part was the best for me seeing as how we sat in front of a Duke fan at Regionals in Houston last year and boy oh boy was that manifesto right on about that particular fan. Probably hadn’t watched a lick of basketball in her life before that game as displayed by her behavior and was all done up (makeup and hair for days) and cheering her darn heard off. “Go, Scheyer, baby, go!!” Oye. I can still hear her. It’s not a happy memory for me, really.

Needless to say, we all needed to medicate with something pretty strong, if you know what I mean, after that. : )

by BigSkyCat on Dec 15, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Jack for the link

I have it bookmarked now. What a read and the depth the article went into about the Cameron Crazies was amazing – what a bunch of uncouth goof balls.

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Dec 17, 2010 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll never forget Coach K's kind words to UK fans right after the Laettner shot.

That was classy. I was hurting, and his words to Cawood made me feel better. I’ll never forget that.

by Wheatgerm on Dec 18, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like the NCAA is getting ready to light the fires of

"We Have No Idea What We Are Doing " again!!!

ME, a conspiracy theorist???

Someone tell me now that the NCAA is sane, or is sane now and was insane, or whatever?

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 8:59 AM EST reply actions  

Just read the article

I don’t really have a problem with anything Emmert said.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Clarify

Actually, I appreciate both links. WBN’s link to my article, as well as the link to the Emmert story.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

you are most welcome oh awesome one......

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

but another 180 on Newton?

Disguised as , Auburn didnt do it, and Cam didnt do it, so it didnt happen?

I know what it is, Indianapolis never changes time……..they don’t go on Daylight savings or the other way around……so they have to change their minds every day……lol

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't know there was a reversal on Newton

I understand what Emmert is saying. The kid didn’t know, or we have no evidence the kid knew (but really, how would they?), so we’re going to let him play. I really have no problem with that. An athlete, at least in my view, should not be punished because his father/mother is a lying, cheating, scumbag.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure I understand

Are you saying the NCAA changed their stance to, if the kid didn’t know, he shouldn’t be punished?

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I am saying that until Cam Newton, it mattered not if the athlete

was “knowledgeable”. That defense never had any bearing on past cases.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha

But, I don’t really have a problem with that stance. Do you?

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

No, actually I do not......

I do however find it impossible to prove or disprove as you said above.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

So, does it fall under the category of

You can’t disprove a negative? And does that make it a positive?

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Although

As I said below, how do we really know if the kid is involved in any shady dealings?

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

We do not. and the NCAA does not, so my own theory is that

someone, somewhere has to make a definite ruling, and stick to it, and though I loathe the implications of it, they should either follow their historical preferences and make it retroactive, or waive any ruling that is retroactive back to a previous point in time.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I do think that since the individual involved is his father though,

that should have some bearing on the matter.

It is simply impossible to seperate the two.

And that mysterious donation that got made to his father’s church shortly after he signed with Auburn?? I am sorry, but it is just too convenient for me to dismiss it.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by a2d2 on Dec 15, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

But, really,

how many cases are there like this? Not many. Even the Sidney case doesn’t compare. The entire family was living in a multi-million dollar house, so I assume Renardo knew something was amiss.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I have been pondering on that very issue.

Here is my question:

When the details of this matter are set into two categories, the cases of every NCAA violation fall somewhere in each one.

Category One: Willful violation of NCAA Rules and Regulations by a student-athlete or parties representing a student-athlete.

Category Two: Involuntary violation of those same Rules and Regulations by the same parties listed above.

Why are all NCAA violations categorized as such?

It makes penalizing the parties so much simpler.

Voluntary makes you permanently ineligible, Involuntry makes you temporarily ineligible and you have penalties.

And no, I did not try to assume where the Kanter situation would fall. I am just looking for some shred of continuity here.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

if they use that premise as the basis for every decision

the rest is simply a matter of determining the penalties for the involuntary offenders.

And to be honest, it really should be that simple.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Great categories

And its hard to see how Enes Kanter could fall into Category One.

One question I’d be curious to hear an answer to is what the labor rules are for Turkish and European pro basketball.

Kanter played 4 games at the highest level of the Euro league, 5 games at the highest level of the Turkish league. My main question is, did he even have a choice but to receive payment? He didn’t have much of a choice about whether to play- Fenerbahce put him on that team. I assume he had to do what he was told, or leave the club. If those leagues are like the NBA, he also had no choice but to receive some form of payment. You can’t play in the NBA and not get paid.

If that’s the case, and he took a bare minimum, then he was obviously trying to avoid being a professional, and the NCAA is going to have a tough time justifying him being permanently ineligible. Unless they want to make it impossible for any good Eurpoean player to ever have a shot at playing NCAA basketball (and maybe that is what they want. I don’t know).

by mjj_001 on Dec 15, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Did he know

Here’s the thing that gets me about this case – How does anyone know what Cam knew or didn’t know? Say he and his father are in the car on a 2-hour trip. How does anyone know what they talked about? NOT saying this happened, but the kid could have orcestrated the whole deal, and if they didn’t want anyone to know, then no one would know.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Of course he knew, IMO! :-)

It involved his career.

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by a2d2 on Dec 15, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

"you can say there's no such thing as Santa

but as for me and Grandpa, we believe"…….lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe, :-)

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by a2d2 on Dec 15, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem with Emmert's words either, Ken.

I’ve read it several times over the past few days. Emmert supports the Newton decision. He acknowledges it doesn’t go over very well at first glance, but it was the right decision under the circumstances.

Words I hope to hear again any day now.

by Wheatgerm on Dec 18, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

NCAA president Mark Emmert said

That the Newton ruling was complex, but they resolved it in less then a week. So what terminology will they use for the Enes matter: Super Complex, Over-The-Top Complex, This One Had Us Going Complex or We Like To Stick It To UK Complex. They’ll have to come out with some suitable term – any ideals…?

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Dec 15, 2010 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

If Enes has said....

in public, or private, that he knew his father took money for his education, then the NCAA will use this against him. If at no time during the presentation of facts to the NCAA, was it noted that Enes had any knowledge what his father was doing, then there may be a case in point to Newton’s. The 33, 033 still seems a hurdle to overcome.

by UK1972 on Dec 15, 2010 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Enes was a minor

at the time and had no legal status to approve or disapprove. He was not allowed the privilege of choice in the matter even if he happily went along with it all.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 15, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

This is where

I feel it approaches the Newton case. Cam was unaware of what was going on and ultimately not held responsible for it. Enes was legally unaware of what was going on and should be allowed to return excess monies and regain his eligibility.

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by kywineman on Dec 15, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not going to matter, though

As I’ve been saying for quite some time (to boos all around), Kanter took $ to play pro ball. That’s the distinction, and the reason why he (probably) won’t be ruled eligible.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I still agree with that Ken

I always have. But if they (or appeals committee) were to change their minds, I will be perfectly okay with it. :-)

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by a2d2 on Dec 15, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait, Kanter took $ to play pro ball?

No no no, Ken. You’re starting with the conclusion. Whether he took $ to play pro ball is the question. Yes, he received more than actual and necessary expenses. But the question is what that money was for.

If it was to play pro ball, as you say, then there’s nothing more to be said. And frankly, no reason this should be dragging on. This is the position of Stansbury and every other short-sighted anti-Kanter/Calipari/UK commentator out there, that the kid received money to play pro ball. If you start with the conclusion that he’s a pro, there’s nowhere else to go. Which is terribly convenient if that’s where you want this to end.

But if the money was simply an overpayment of expenses, something other than a salary for playing basketball, then we have a debate.

by Wheatgerm on Dec 18, 2010 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Therefore, the NCAA

says take dirty money, lie, get caught, pay it back and go play ball my son. Take money from a legitimate organization with good intent and forget you. Might be how it goes down, but it sure doesn’t pass the smell test.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 15, 2010 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

If he was a Minor he wouldn't have had the opportunity to take money

All his dealings with the Turkish team was handled thru his parents.

How can a minor be guilty of any of this – doesn’t make sense to me.

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Dec 16, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

There are just so many juicy storylines this morning, it is a blogger's "humidified fantasy"

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:26 AM EST reply actions  

UT gets a double whammy, Louisville loses to Bruiser, a Calipari protege', who is going to call Calipari and tell him everything he did to Pitino

 Mark Emmert is marking his territory like a rabid schnauzer…….and Enes suffers on……What a Country!

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with all your comments Ken

Duke’s success is mostly because of Coack K. He has been a mainstay at the university for as long as most of us can remember – who was Dukes previous BB Coach, I havn’t the foggiest. He has never been complacent or taken his record for granted and has kept the internal fires burning. That is why he and Duke are still on top after all this time. No other university has kept their head coach as long, except maybe Michigan State.

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Dec 15, 2010 9:41 AM EST reply actions  

Duke

He’s done an outstanding, there is really no way around that. I have no love for Duke, but I can at least appreciate the long-standing excellence, or near excellence.

I think K’s first year at Duke was 1982, and I think K followed Bill Foster.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

K's first year was the '80-'81 season

and he did follow Foster, who was 113-64 in six years in Durham (he left Duke and went to S. Car.)

BTW, K was 38-43 his first three years at Duke. I knew he had a rough start, and I have no memory of this, but supposedly, there were very loud calls for him to be fired, ala, Dean Smith at UNC.

by Ken Howlett on Dec 15, 2010 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

It has been confirmed by the Government of Puerto Rico that the report of

Rick Pitino being named as the coach of their national team was premature. The President of Puerto Rico was quoted as saying, " We entered into good faith talks last week, but if the dude can’t beat Drexel, he can’t help us!"

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Not the only thing

premature about Pitino.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Dec 15, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark Emmert is going to change the face of the NCAA......mark it down.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

Here is the current face of the NCAA

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 15, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

youre killing me coop........just killing me.....lol......

hey, waitaminit…….

Doesnt he play for the Puerto Rican National Team???

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha!

Nose coffee Baptizes laptop. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Dec 16, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Good call on Mike Krzyewski Ken

In an era when cads like Bruce Pearl make a mockery of good sportsmanship and morality, guys like Mike Krzyewski and Tom Izzo still do things the right way. As UK fans, we may want to see Duke and Michigan State lose every game, but that shouldn’t stop us from respecting these guys. Ken, you went out on a limb but I’m right there with you.

by chicagoblues on Dec 15, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

I love Tom Izzo

I wanted him here in 2007. I root for MSU when they aren’t playing us.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 15, 2010 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Daniel Orton

He isn’t naughty for going to the NBA given that he is apparently as fragile as an old light bulb. He is naughty for not finishing the semester and hurting UK’s academic numbers with the NCAA when all of his 1ndone teammates did the right thing and finished the school year for the benefit of their team, if not themselves.

by JackBluto on Dec 15, 2010 11:00 AM EST reply actions  

To continue the list;

NAUGHTY-R.M. Knight-just because he’s still contaminating the air the rest of us have to breathe.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena . . .who spends himself for a worthy cause . . ."

by oldcat'69 on Dec 15, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

and doesnt even know it......lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha

Good one oc’69. Rec’d.

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by a2d2 on Dec 15, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Looks like we have another nerd fight

http://www.truebluekentucky.com/index.php/basketball/926-guest-basketball/3737-hey-matt.html

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@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 15, 2010 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

Matt Jones and his incredibly inflated ego Vs. Marc Maggard and his need to get the word out first

I say it’s a lose-lose scenario…..lol…..

“Yesterday, love was such an easy game to play, now it seems to be so far away”

I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Dec 15, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice Liste - DeAndre Liggins

He has come a long way from begging Santa for playing time last year. ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 15, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

that's right!

That was your request, wasn’t it?

I had almost forgotten that we did something similar to this Santa thing last year, only that was more a wish list for ways we wanted our players to improve or whatever, but yeah, that was super fun, too. I might have to look that one up, for old times sake….

by BigSkyCat on Dec 15, 2010 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

It was!

Good memory, BSC! As I recall, poor Liggins even offered to feed the reindder! ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 15, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember that!

I asked for new shoes for Jorts so he could go faster… Maybe a partial there, given his play last weekend??

What a difference a year makes, huh??

If your wings don't sweep....

by EagleTDL on Dec 16, 2010 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Future UT recruit.

Check out this link to Nation of Blue on the next UT recruit. Very fitting I would say.
http://www.nationofblue.com/future-ut-recruit-player-attacks-referee-4168/

by Ky4x4 on Dec 15, 2010 1:34 PM EST reply actions  

Calipari getting an award from the United Nations?

http://twitter.com/UKMitchBarnhart/status/15120986953220096

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Dec 15, 2010 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

Thank goodness.

I was going to be concerned if the UN liked supported Calipari. It would mean that he was crooked.

by JackBluto on Dec 15, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

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