Indiana Hoosiers @ Kentucky Wildcats (17): Hoosiers In Blue Heaven
The Indiana Hoosiers have been a traditional rival of the Kentucky Wildcats for as long as I have lived in the Bluegrass State, and that has been a long time. 53 times these two teams have met on the hardwood, since 1924. 30 times, the Wildcats have emerged victorious, and the 'Cats look to add #31 tomorrow in Rupp Arena.
The 2010 version of the Indiana Hoosiers brings forth the best team that Indiana has had in three years, and they are off to the best start since Kelvin Sampson was freed up for other opportunities. Here is a look at how the Hoosiers are doing this year, courtesy of Statsheet.com:
| Rank and Records | IU | UK |
| RPI | #101 | #12 |
| Strength of Schedule | #296 | #8 |
| Overall | 7-1 | 6-2 |
| Conference | 0-0 | 0-0 |
| Home | 7-0 | 4-0 |
| Away | 0-1 | 0-1 |
| Top 25 | 0-0 | 2-0 |
| RPI Top 50 | 0-1 | 1-2 |
As you can see, the Hoosiers are off to a good start this year, but the only opponent they have played so far inside the Top 100 are the Boston College Eagles on the road, which accounts for their only loss of the season so far.
The Hoosiers had some bad luck with players coming from overseas this year, also. Guy-Marc Michel was a 7'1" center from Martinique who was expected to give the Hoosiers some strength inside, particularly on defense. Unfortunately, the NCAA ruled that Michel was ineligible to play at Indiana, which leaves the Hoosiers, like the Wildcats, very thin in the front line.
But Tom Crean has had great success recruiting for 2011 and 2012, having obtained commitments for no fewer than three Rivals.com 5* recruits. Even though those guys won't matter in this game, the time is coming when Indiana is likely to return to the elite of college basketball. But not this year.
That doesn't mean the Hoosiers aren't any good this year, they are. We'll get further into that after the jump.
First, let's look at the personnel changes. Losses are:
| Losses | ||||
| Tijan Jobe | 7-0 | 255 | Senior | Minor reserve |
| Steven Gambles | 6-4 | 220 | Senior | Minor reserve |
| Devan Dumes | 6-2 | 188 | Senior | Major reserve |
| Brett Finkelmeier | 6-1 | 188 | Junior | Minor reserve |
| Muniru Bawa | 6-10 | 260 | Freshman | Transfered to Tennessee St. |
As you can see, the Hoosiers didn't lose much, just one major reserve player who averaged around 18 minutes and 7 points/game. Indiana brings back their entire starting lineup and most of their major reserves from last year. The Hoosiers are still young, but not nearly as young as the Wildcats.
Indiana added the following players:
| New players | ||||
| Will Sheehey | 6-6 | 195 | Freshman | Minor reserve |
| Jeff Howard | 6-8 | 225 | Freshman | Rarely plays |
| Taylor Wayer | 5-11 | 172 | Freshman | Rarely plays |
| Victor Oladipo | 6-5 | 210 | Freshman | Impact player, superior athlete |
Of the new additions, only Oladipo and Sheehey see significant playing time. Oladipo is a very good athlete who plays above the rim. He doesn't score a lot, but he gets over 3 rebounds game in limited minutes.
Indiana, as you can see, doesn't have a lot of size. In fact, they are even smaller than Kentucky, which is a novelty for a major Division I team this year. But they do have talent -- Watford and Creek are very talented players in their own right, and if you'll recall, Creek had a huge game against the 'Cats last year.
The Four Factors to Winning
The Four Factors for this game look like this:
As you can see, the Hoosiers have been outshooting, outrebounding and getting to the line more often than Kentucky, but don't expect that to happen on Saturday. The difference between the level of competition Kentucky has played and the schedule of the Hoosiers so far could not be more divergent. Kentucky has played amongst the toughest schedules in all of Division I, and Indiana one of the weakest. In fact, Ken Pomeroy has Kentucky's schedule ranked 3rd hardest, and Indana at 298th out of 345 teams.
What Indiana is doing very well, regardless of competition, is shooting the basketball. Indiana has an eFG% of around 57%, very good by any measure. They are also a good 3-point shooting team, clocking in at 38.7%, and they do a good job of getting to the line.
However, Indiana is not a particularly good defensive team, as their lousy steals % will attest. Their defensive efficiency is not horrible at an adjusted 93.2 points/100 possessions, but I am skeptical that reflects the true ability of their defense, or that Ken Pomeroy's model sufficiently adjusts for their schedule's true weakness. Boston College, the best team they have played to date, shreded the Hoosier defense like tissue paper, producing an OE of over 145 points/100 possessions.
Indiana also has a major turnover problem. They are averaging over 24% turnovers, and against the strong ballhandlers of the Wildcats, who average only 16.5% turnovers, that is not a good thing for the Hoosiers.
Overall Analysis
Kentucky is a much stronger team on paper than the Hoosiers, but Indiana showed us last year in Bloomington that they don't have an ounce of quit in them. They are more experienced and better overall than last year's team, albeit smaller, and if UK gives them open shots, the Hoosiers can definitely make them.
What Indiana has to worry about is matchups. Kentucky is much more athletic at most positions, and at the critical power forward position, they have no answer whatsoever for Terrence Jones. If the Jones of the Notre Dame and Washington games shows up, the Hoosiers will be in a bad place.
They also really don't have an answer for DeAndre Liggins on defense. Liggins is likely going to be put on Maurice Creek, and Creek, who has not quite recovered full confidence in his repaired knee, is going to be in tough in that matchup. Of course, Liggins has had some off games defensively, notably against Kemba Walker of the Connecticut Huskies, so you never know for sure. But Liggins has been very hard on good offensive players. His length, quickness, and ability to go from offense to defense are tough to handle.
Brandon Knight is another matchup problem for the Hoosiers. Jordan Hulls is a hustle guy, and a decent defender, but he figures to be overmatched against the polished and much quicker Brandon Knight. Never underestimate Hulls -- he is the kind of player who lives for the name on the front of the jersey, and doesn't even want a name on the back. That's something that makes a difference. But Knight is a far superior athlete, and nearly as good a shooter.
In the final analysis, Kentucky has an advantage in talent, size, and the home court. That ought to be enough. But ladies and gentlemen of the Big Blue Nation, this is not last year's Indiana team. They are tougher, more experienced, and better. They are not great, but they just might be good enough. Kentucky cannot take them for granted, even if they weren't a major rival. Which they are.
This is a much bigger game to them than us. That's what makes it so dangerous.
Addenda
For the Hoosier perspective, check out SB Nation's The Crimson Quarry, who are outstanding at covering the Hoosiers.
Also, be sure to check out CrimsonCast.com, with whom I have done an interview and talked about the Kentucky game for the last two seasons running. Scott at CrimsonCast is a wonderful host and kindred spirt, and he and I share a lot of the same views about the Kentucky-Indiana rivalry, including a desire to see it returned to neutral sites. As Scott has pointed out to me both times we have had our talks, the spectacle of seeing one half Crimson and Cream, and the other Blue and White, is one of the all-time most compelling contrasts in college basketball, and should be renewed.
Consider this a plea to Coach Cal, Coach Crean, and the UK and IU athletics department -- Lets return this game to neutral sites, perhaps the Yum Center in Louisville and Lucas Oil Arena in Indianapolis. It would make a spectacle that no college basketball fan would want to miss.
Go, 'Cats!
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“Consider this a plea to Coach Cal, Coach Crean, and the UK and IU athletics department — Lets return this game to neutral sites, perhaps the Yum Center in Louisville and Lucas Oil Arena in Indianapolis. It would make a spectacle that no college basketball fan would want to miss.”
i couldnt disagree more. this is our traditional rival and i think its ALOT cooler for us to go into bloomington and beat them on that floor and then also give them the opportunity to play us in rupp. as two of the blue bloods in college basketball, i dont think it gets anymore throwback than playing each other home and home.
Okay.
I guess we’ll agree to disagree about that.
I am not into throwback, I am into an even crowd split. I like that. It makes the game better in my opinion. Your mileage may vary.
By the way, thanks for commenting at A Sea of Blue!.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Dec 11, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Why would we want
or UL allow us to play in the Yum center. We only played in Freedom Hall because the state of Kentucky owned it.
Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!
Here's another perspective, almost literally
Since I will never see this game in person, but will always watch on TV, I’d be satisfied if I never saw another game broadcast from Assembly Hall, which has the worst angles in all of college basketball.
That said, I like the idea of occasionally going to the “neutral” courts, particularly if the Hoosiers blow up big again ever. It would be quite a spectacle.
Yum Center
I think I read somewhere that we arent allowed to play in the Yum Center – though I completely agree on why we would ever want to. I was reading on CC and saw a post about how “jealous” we are of their new arena and it made me nauseous. I wouldnt go into the Yum center (outside of our rivalry game) to get in out of the rain.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 11, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I attended an IU-UK game in the dome
several years ago. Larry Ivy, then UK athletic director, asked me if I would mind if they played the game in Indy ever year. He was interested in the big split gate that UK could share with 48,000 seats. Now, that would be something I would never go for — playing in Indiana every year.
You're Right
We need to get this series back to Louisville where it belongs, in Freedom Hall. I’ve been to the Blue end of this series back to Dec 1971. There is more enthusiasm for this game in Louisville than Lexington. Always has been. I’d like to see it played there every year with tickets sold as a neutral site with a 50/50 allocation. If the Hoosiers won’t agree to that, they can play the Red game in whatever football barn they have up in Indy these days.
"He still carries a lunch bucket. What's up with that?"
Conseco Is A Superb Basketball Arena
I’d prefer that location to Lucas Oil football venue.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 11, 2010 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
Conseco is nice.
I’d like the chance to put 80,000 Wildcat and Hoosier fans in Lucas Oil Arena, though.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
UK By Double Digits
But IU is better than the past 2 years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 11, 2010 7:40 AM EST reply actions
Glenn
In the list of IU players, you have Creek and Watford transposed. Watford leads in scoring and Creek is third.
Although Rivers can’t shoot, he may be the better IU option to defend Knight. As a senior and with his size and quickness, he could possibly bother Knight. i expect to see him get some major minutes if Hulls’ size becomes a factor.
One more comment from me
I highly appreciate the respectful and even-handed tone of these pre-game analyses, Glenn. It amazes and amuses me how much some other sites want to run down and make fun of our opponents.
Yeah.
I consider that a juvenile approach, personally, but others probably like it. I guess it’s just a matter of taste.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
This site offers reasoned
opinions and the opportunity to debate those positions without juvenile “yeah, your mother” responses. There have been some on here who resort to that and are usually banished into ghosthood. I haven’t seen a couple of the more recent offenders lately and I hope they are gone for good.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Tink
I thought kygirl just hit the cards with a ‘your mother wears combat boots’ kind of response. :)
In this instance, I thought it was appropriate.
This is the only site for me. I no longer bother with the others.
Concentrate on ASOB and you usually learn something new.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
Not sure I get this.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Dec 12, 2010 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you on the neutral site issue. I’ve been to the game in Indy several times and miss that tradition. The thing I liked about the game, particularly when it was in Indy at the Hoosier Dome, is that it provides an opportunity for rank-and-file fans of both teams to see a big game in person. That’s why I prefer the neutral site arrangement and why I would prefer Lucas Oil to Conseco. Conseco is a great basketball area, but it seats only a few hundred more than Assembly Hall. Plus, the stadium setup is good practice for the NCAA Tournament.
When I was in school, IU played a four year series with Kansas. Two of the games were at campus sites, one was in Indy, and the other was in KC. I wouldn’t mind that as a compromise, but I would prefer the neutral setup.
The Crimson Quarry, SB Nation's Indiana Hoosiers blog
by John M (The Crimson Quarry) on Dec 11, 2010 9:00 AM EST reply actions
Patience running thin among IU faithful
The IU fans that I am surrounded by up here in Indianapolis are beginning to wonder if Crean is the guy that will be able to return the program to prominence. I hope he does, though, because he seems like a stand-up guy and if IU fans bail on him now, they might never get back to the prominence of a proper rival. I tell every IU fan I can that I am hoping for an IU resurgence so that beating them every year will actually mean something for us. I too vote for the annual neutral site clash.
by BluebloodinNaptown on Dec 11, 2010 10:07 AM EST reply actions
Kentucky needs to play
A few games in cavernous domes or stadiums during the regular season to get ready for the NCAA tournament and, say what you will about the NCAA, they are all about putting teams where they will generate the most revenue and they will put the Cats in Lucas Oil Stadium frequently during the tournament. IMHO playing there every other year is a win-win for the cats and this rivalry, but unless IU gets it together and starts playing big-time basketball, the planners run the risk of a lot of empty seats in the stadium.
by BluebloodinNaptown on Dec 11, 2010 10:18 AM EST reply actions
That is about the best logic for playing in a huge facility
No way I could endure sitting in a seat where the view made the players look like flies and that is about the best seating I could afford – TV for me baby…!
Nick
by KansasUKCat on Dec 11, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Go Cats!
It seems lately that we have been playing good game – bad game. After the nice ND game will we come out flat? I would hope to see some improvement in that area. Every team is dangerous on every day. Go Big Blue.
"That aught to be enough."
Aught is a funny word. It can mean all or everything, for aught I know. It can also mean zero or nothing, from a false division of naught.
As an adverb, it can mean at all: I cannot aught understand the use of that word above. If Kentucky has an advantage in talent, size and the home court, that ought to be aught we need. If not, it could aught be for naught. I say, wot?
I’m sorry. Waiting for word on Enes – any word at all – has left me in a state. hospital.
Ah, fooey.
I always make that error. Thanks for reminding me.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Dec 11, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
At least I know you read the thing. :0)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Glenn Logan on Dec 11, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
The mental lock-up wards are kind of limited on reading materials.
Nick
by KansasUKCat on Dec 11, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
good point.
and, if the doctors knew that ASoB and Kentucky sports were the reason for Wheatgerm being admitted to said hospital they would probably take his computer away.
Wheatgerm — I’m obviously just teasing you here, and I hope you aren’t offended by all this, but I found your post (and past posts about your doctor approving your behavior and whatnot) to be super funny. And, fwiw, I’m kind of obsessed with this Kanter situation, too. I just haven’t said as much.
Love your take
on everything from the inside wheatgerm. :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
Well I just dropped big bucks on a brake job....
so I need UK to lift my spirits today. Kick the ever loving stuffing out of those hoosiers.
IU has been feasting on cupcakes and have not seen the likes of UK’s talent. TJ and Knight will have them in awe. Lamb will continue to be super smooth and Harrellson will hack the hell out of their bigs. Make ’em count Jorts!
UK 83
IU 67
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Today is the day,
that Jorts gets his freethrow.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
I wonder what the NCAA and/or SEC records are
For minutes played without ever shooting a FT. Josh may have a chance for the record books and infamy..!
Nick
by KansasUKCat on Dec 11, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
If he does
he’ll probably foul it up.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Calipari's Top PG Streak Ends
Rose, Evans, Wall, Teague, oops, Rodney Purvis chooses Pitino and Cards:
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1030202.html
"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776
by Wild Weasel on Dec 11, 2010 12:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It ain't over til its over.
Teague chose the Cards as well.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
But is Purvis a PG?
ESPN lists him as a 2. Its possible that Cal views him the same way, and would prefer to go after LJ Rose as a PG (even if he’s not as good of an overall prospect), and guys like Muhammad and Ledo as 2’s.
Purvis is a great prospect, but considering there’s a Clifton connection, and considering that Purvis was a 2013 player until he recently reclassified, I’m not surprised he’s going elsewhere. Cal doesn’t seem to recruit guys as early as some schools (meaning its unlikely he had done much with Purvis when Purvis was scheduled for a 2013 graduation), and there’s obviously some friction with the Clifton’s.
And a note about 2012 recruiting
I think Cal is going to use the 17 and under US National Team as a foundation for his 2012 recruiting. That’s the gold medal winning team that Gilchrist and Teague played on over the summer, Some underclassmen who were in the training camp (not all made the team, but all played in the camp) with Gilchrist and Teague included Kyle Anderson, Brandon Ashley, Andre Drummond, Tony Parker, and LJ Rose.
Good Game: Cards Vs Runnin' Rebs
UNLV 38 UL 33 half, both unbeaten, lots of 3 attempts, on ESPNU.
"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776
by Wild Weasel on Dec 11, 2010 12:58 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I used to love the Runnin' Rebels with Tark and the gang
still have several hats and other Rebel swag….pulling for them and Jasper today
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
haha they just showed Pitino's son in the crowd....
and he promptly takes a big swig of beer…lol
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
I was pulling for UNLV
until I realized that I want UK to be the team that hands them their first defeat in the Yum Center.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
Does anyone
have a link to watch online I got to work uggggg!!
If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide.
Mohandas Gandhi
Someone who frequents CC
and knows resuscitation might want to check to see if they are still alive. This was shown during the game at the Yum Center. Look at the blue shirt! :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
Hopson Vis A Vis Miller
Can anyone explain the rather huge difference in progress between Dennis Hopson and Darius Miller? Thought to be equal in talent in HS, now Hopson is a star (16 at half vs #3 Pitt) and Miller is little more than a role player. Is it the system? Is it because Miller has been overshadowed by more talent and thus intimidated?
"I bring reason to your ears, and, in language as plain as ABC, hold up truth to your eyes." Thomas Paine, December 23, 1776
by Wild Weasel on Dec 11, 2010 4:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Scotty Hopson
Was once thought to be a one and done, but he’s been at UT for quite awhile. He is having quite a game today. UT is the real deal, it seems.
Miller Has Had 2 Different Coaches
Hopson just 1. That’s part of the reason.
by FortyYearCatFan on Dec 12, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
I watched the whole TN vs Pitt game
Tennesse is the real deal – I’m extremely impressed. Probably will be our next best BIGGEST test.
Nick

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