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Kentucky Sports: The Blues Hit The Big Blue Nation

Checking around the Internet today, I am struck by the almost laughable negativity and vitriol I see oozing out of the nether-regions of the Big Blue Nation.  I suppose it's always this way when we have a couple of disappointments during the season, and make no mistake, the losses in Lahaina and Knoxville were disappointing to us all.

But calls for the dismissal of Joker Phillips after one whole season (and a season not appreciably different from the last five) and assurances that Kentucky will lose double-digit games in basketball due to a weakness in the middle border on the delusional. 

Also ill-conceived are calls to reject the bowl games, and even though those games may not mean a great deal to anyone, they do allow for significant additional practice that can only improve a team.  It never ceases to amaze me how some fans, and this is not just UK but almost all fans of any sport, would rather cut their rhetorical nose off just to show all and sundry how great their fanhood is.  I do understand that venting is occasionally necessary, but it amazes me how many people would rather indelibly imprint their inane rants on the Internet as though they will disappear when they feel better.  If only.

You notice I am not linking any of these things, and there is a reason for that.  I am not trying to embarrass or call out anyone here.  The intent of  this commentary is a humble plea for rationality rather than absurd silliness, and yes, if you think Joker Phillips should be fired or Kentucky is going to lose 10+ games this year, I am referring to you, dear temporarily addled reader.  Yes, we had some setbacks.  Yes, they sting.   But let's try to pretend, just for the moment, that we have not lost our collective minds and morphed into Louisville fans (sorry, Card fans, but you are the enemy and you get to be the metaphor).

Star-divide

Let's talk about some of the things bugging the BBN to the point of crazy right now:

  • Randall Cobb may be leaving.  Let's look at this rationally, shall we?  Is Cobb going to get faster?  Not likely.  Bigger?  Not appreciably.  More elusive?  Unlikely.  Will his draft stock, such as it is, get better?  Maybe, but only if he has an even more monstrous year than he had this year.  In sum, I think we need to get used to the idea that he will be playing on Sunday next year.  I know it's scary, but it is going to happen sometime.  If he stays, bonus, but get used to the idea of UK without him.
  • Enes Kanter will likely not be restored to eligibility, and even if he does, the game penalty may be unprecedented.  We are in precedent-setting territory here, and the NCAA's default position has already been expressed.  Don't count on that to change, and if it does, it may be that we don't see Kanter this year.  If that happens, do you really think he will hang out until next year?

    I do think there is a chance Kanter will be restored and suffer a reasonably penalty that gets him eligible with at least half the season left.  But I consider this possibility to be 30% or less.  Your mileage may vary on that prognostication, but if I were you, I would prepare to be disappointed.
  • The young Wildcat basketball team being exposed in Maui.  This is, at best, a temporary setback.  No, it won't be the only one, but we have seen this team's talent, and it is prodigious.  No coach in college basketball is better at getting young guys to play to their maximum ability than John Calipari.  Have a little faith, will ya?
  • The disappointing football season.  I have been over this and over this.  UK is not going to make the commitment to football that some of you want.  If they are not willing to do that with Mitch Barnhart, a football guy, driving the bus, you can imagine what would happen if he were replaced by a basketball guy.  So those of you wishing for Barnhart's exit, be careful what you wish for, and remember that Kentucky is not going to forget how their bread gets buttered no matter how much you wish the would, and here's a hint -- football doesn't even qualify as margarine.

In sum, we are all disappointed, including me, but there is no reason to commit sports seppuku over it. 

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But let’s try to pretend, just for the moment, that we have not lost our collective minds and morphed into Louisville fans

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 29, 2010 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

Calipari Can Set A Record Tomorrow

No UK coach ever made it to 40 W with only 4 L before.

Rupp didn’t (in 1931-32-33). Tubby Smith was 39-4 (like Calipari is now) but L the next game.

40-4 (if it happens) will be the Fastest To Forty Wins by any UK basketball coach.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 29, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

Your favorite number too!

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Nov 29, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Further about the silliness of rejecting a bowl game:

For me, with Tennessee, I delight in getting to see people who chose to play a very punishing game for my school. Win or lose, I’ve always said I’ll cheer on effort and never boo a defeat. If you care enough about football to cheer your team when they win, at the very least, then you can cheer on the success of going to a bowl game. Half the teams don’t get that luxury.

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That's (333333jorkland)^2 and $$$$$immons to you, chump.

by bobothevol on Nov 29, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions  

Well said Tru/Glenn

rec’d

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Nov 29, 2010 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Re: getting rid of Joker

Hear, hear Glenn! Some of our more enthusiastic brethren at another site that shall be unnamed really, really overinflated their collective expectations about this year’s football team. Now, they’re disgusted that pie failed to fall from the sky.

Given all the structural challenges we face in football, we should only be slightly, if at all, disappointed in a .500 season and a chance at a 5th straight bowl game.

by BCinVA on Nov 29, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

At the begining of the season

I promised to be satisfied with 6 wins, tickled with 7, and dancing in the street with 8.
Right now,I’m satisfied and about to be tickled (I hope).
As my grandpa used to say: excessive exuberance will put your ass in a crack every time.
Wanting 10/11 wins seems pretty excessive.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Nov 29, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

If you fire Joker, who in the hell would come here?

Those people need to buy a clue.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Nov 29, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

asinine

the idea of rejecting a bowl bid is sheer ignorance. first, it is money. you take it and you run. second, how many teams have a shot at 5 straight bowl games and for how many years did we hope just to get bowl eligible before this streak? finally, and most importantly, the extra practice is invaluable. next years QB could very well be decided during these practices and we have a lot of young guys (esp. WRs with the probable loss of Cobb) that need the extra work.

i've been waiting for this moment all my life...but it's not quite right.

by small balls on Nov 29, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

Final thought on Kanter

Dave Pickle at the NCAA’s Bylaw Blog says the reinstatement staff ruled Kanter a professional. News to me. But the rationale is that $33,033 in excessive expenses from a professional athletics team (same sport) amounts to a payment for athletics participation, which is the NCAA’s definition of professional athlete. There’s a lot of subjectivity in that.

One dollar over actual and necessary expenses and no one can argue he’s a professional. Hundreds of thousands and no one can argue we’re still talking about expenses. So what to do with the uncomfortable middle. Adjudicators often find themselves having to decide the gray areas invariably left by legislative language. They know the next case will be $3,000, and the next $300. What do they do then?

It’s a slippery slope. You don’t want to open the floodgates to professionals, but you don’t want to box yourself in when perhaps a more compelling case next crosses your desk. Adjudicators want to maintain freedom of action. So they rationalize that every case should be decided on its own merits, on a “case-by-case” basis. They do what they think is fair under the circumstances of that particular case, safe in the knowledge that they can later distinguish that case on its facts if they feel the need. And if the rules committee should eventually feel the need to clarify existing bylaws, all the better.

Because the Reinstatement Committee can cite numerous mitigating circumstances for tempering the punishment without undermining the NCAA’s policy on amateur athletics – the line between amateur and professional is still bright, it’s just a little thinner – I half expect some relief this week.

by Wheatgerm on Nov 29, 2010 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

One would think that UK fans of all people would appreciate the necessity of giving a coach more than 1 year

After what Rich Brooks did for the program and all.

I wonder how many of the people arguing for Joker to go were doing the same after the first 2-3 years of the Brooks era.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Nov 29, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

You Would Think

But there were some who wanted a basketball coaching change in 1999 because of 9 L and the failure to hold a lead against Mich St in the Elite 8 game.

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 29, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Joker, redux

OK, how many of you knuckleheads calling for Joe Phillip’s termination have ever even met him? Ever gotten one of his thousands of faxes, calls, emails, etc.? Ever gotten to shake his hand and size him up? Ever seen him play for UK? Bleed for UK?
It is SO easy to be-otch and moan from the safety of your keyboard.
As a former athlete, one of the bennies is a certain ability to stay in touch with the inside story of our teams and get to know our leaders and some of the players.
That said, I have had enormous respect for Joker for many years.
This guy lives and breathes UK football 24/7 and a half, folks.
Right now (for at least the next two years), he IS our Head Coach and will be going nowhere.
He is a man of ultimate integrity, fierce passion and boundless energy.
He is only now forming his own support team and will continue to add men like Tee Martin to a solid staff.
You can bet he will address the issues being raised by the BBN of doubters. He knows each and every one of them far more intimately than you do.
He is on the doorstep of another top recruiting class by our standards.
Key word there folks is “standards”.
We have a lot more players in the NFL than we’ve ever had and Joker recruited most of them. We DO NOT have the luxury in football that Cal has in roundball, i.e., simply choosing from the elite like they do at many SEC schools and the rest of the huge football powers.
We most certainly have to get better on D. We will.
We need to address the issue of aggressiveness on offense. I believe we will do that, too.
BUT, UK will always need to be overachievers to get more than 6-8 wins in this brutal conference.
I am not saying that 10 wins is not an admirable goal, but is that really a reasonable expectation of an educated fan base?
We only need to look at the last game to see the gap between us and the traditional football powers. UT starts a true freshman at QB. The kid looks like a senior while our two highly touted prospects have barely learned the playbook after two (soon three) years.
I watched every game this year.
I saw young men in the heat of battle against ranked teams play as hard as they could for the entire game.
It all starts with effort and our Cats left in on the field with very few exceptions.
I trust Joker will spend a lot of time on execution this winter.
Let’s hope Morgan and Moss improve as much as Hartline did under Sanders and Martin.
We have the running backs. The lines will be improved, especially on D.
Then, with some luck, Cobb and Danny will return.
We beat The Visor this season and were in most every game.
Give our Coach a couple of years.
If we’re still in this mode, call for his head as loudly as you want, but please give us your reasonable candidates for a superior replacement.
Keep in mind, though, that Nick Saban or the Cals of the gridiron are not likely “coming through that door”.

by ukfastcat on Nov 29, 2010 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

No One HERE Does Any Of That

You’re complaining on the wrong website(s).

by FortyYearCatFan on Nov 29, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think ...

… he was directing that outward, not inward.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 29, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Extra bowl practice time = inarguable good?

I’ve seen this written (and said it myself) numerous times, but honestly, is there any evidence to show this is true? With 4 years of “extra practice,” have the results at Kentucky improved at all? Aren’t we in basically the same position (results wise) as we were when we first travelled down to Nashville? I’d hate to think we’re all repeating a fallacy just because it sounds right.

Clearly, UK is too small a sample size, but I’m sure one could look at the results of a bowl team to a non-bowl team from one year to the next (relative improvement, however defined) to see if it’s true, but I’m admittedly too lazy to do so. Hey, I just ask the questions – anyone got the answers?

by NYCCats on Nov 29, 2010 5:40 PM EST reply actions  

So what you're saying is ...

… you need evidence to prove that extra practice time for football, a game in which better execution means more wins, and about a team who tends to attract less skilled players, is good?

Really?

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 29, 2010 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, basically

I’m not sure extra practice in December with one team necessarily carries over to next September with a new cast of characters.

by NYCCats on Nov 29, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not a "new cast"

But rather a “different cast”. The practice time is invaluable to lower classmen, especially.

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by bobothevol on Nov 29, 2010 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

With all due respect

I’m not sure I get the point of this post. Yes, the internet is full of stupid ideas, often amplified a thousand times over. I don’t think anyone debates this. But your basic message seems to be – some bad stuff will happen, some good stuff will happen, so whatever. Sorry, but I’m not sure “whatever” is necessarily the stance a blogger on a fan site should be taking. “Whatever” is perilously close to “I don’t care,” and if no one cares, how much traffic does ASoB get?

I’m probably mis-reading this by a mile, but that was my take away. I guess my mileage varied. ;-)

by NYCCats on Nov 29, 2010 5:45 PM EST reply actions  

You're definitely misreading it.

Maybe you should read it again. It is a paean to sanity.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 29, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Glenn

I see no ambiguity in your post at all.
It states exactly what needs to be said and
in a very concise way.

But in their defense,It’s hard to reason with someone
who believes their house is on fire.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Nov 29, 2010 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh.

Yeah, I suppose.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 29, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

KY Fans

Glenn, I’ve been a KY fan since the Rupp era. I’m not a football fan per say and my boys didn’t play FB. I would like for KY to have a great FB program. I have lived out of state since 1985. But I always wore my KY Wildcat hats, T-shirts, jackets and had it on my vehicles. I also have been asked many times why KY fans are so wishy-washy. I say what do you mean ? They say, you can’t be pleased with your coaches, way your team plays, your fans are never happy unless they win every game and they should know that isn’t going to happen. I don’t know what to say because it’s true with a lot of KY fans. I’m just happy our BB program is doing good and being a Memphis fan also I’m happy Cal is now at KY. Now both of my teams have good coaches.

by kyalltheway on Nov 29, 2010 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

Addressing UK football

 "If A equals success, then the formula is A equals X plus Y and Z, with X being work, Y play, and Z keeping your mouth shut."
In the future I’ll be Z, more often then not.
Now on to unparalleled sucess in UK basketball, mens and ladies for 2010-2011.

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Nov 29, 2010 7:05 PM EST reply actions  

Point made very well!

I love this article Glenn. The outrageous comments made by negative fans are not productive at all.
I have to admit I was very upset we lost to TN. I was not surprised though. I think it would have been a great win for Joker especially. Beating Tn and spurrier in the same year. I’m sure Joker knew that going in and he must be pretty dissapointed to loose to TN.
It is silly to even think to reject the bowl game. Unfortunatly KY football is at that level(Birmingham) but we did do OK this season and if we get a bonus from that lets take it. As far as Joker getting fired, I am of the opinion we should get a “big time” coach at UK. I have heard all the debates about it and I still think we could do it. But…I think we have Joker and he may prove to be a “big time” coach one day. I think we need to hang with him and let him recruit some teams and see what we get.

As far as basketball. I am a much bigger fan of BB. I hate to loose but it does happen and some fans just need to relax. Loosing to UCONN in the finals of Maui was not a terrible loss. I hated to get blown out but i think fatigue played a role in that, we played 4 games in 6 days west coast time. I think we had the best results possible besides winning the tournament. We made it to the finals beating a great WA team and then lost to the hottest team in the tournament. We learned a ton about our players and our style. I think we have alot for the coaches and the players to build on and learn from. I am excited for this team and I think this will be a fun season. To get all negative and start predicting ten losses this season P’s me off. Its like cursing the season before it even begins. We need to be positive towards a young team. I think we have the best coaching staff in the nation. They will get this team to preform better than anyone else could. Look at Roy and Harrison Barnes. We are in good shape and I am trying to enjoy it.

by 166leslie on Nov 29, 2010 9:12 PM EST reply actions  

The NFL owners are guaranteeing a lock out

and that might be reason enough for Cobb to come back. I know Joker does not like a two QB situation but we might have that next year. If not I look for Moss to be the starter. Remember he was the 4 star QB where Newton was only a 3 star as QB but was a 5 star as an Athlete. Six wins was better than I thought we would do because of all of the losses to the defense but I did not think our defense would be as bad as it was.

It also looks like a lock out for the NBA and that could make things interesting on who leaves after this year and who goes. Right now Knight doesn’t look like he could be ready but Evans didn’t look like he would be either but he turned it on by the end of the year.

As for Kanter I don’t see him getting eligible but if he did, he might want to stay instead of dealing with a lock out.

I love the Wildcats and I am certainly not ready to throw in the towel on Joker. I always felt he should get a shot at the head job and he should get at least 3 years and I prefer 4 to show what he can do. Blending all of the new assistants in didn’t help thing this year and I think that was Florida’s problem this year as well. Florida lost two very good coordinators over the last two years on top of the loss of several exceptional players and if it could have that effect on them then it certainly could have been one of our problems this year.

by Grasslands1 on Nov 29, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

That's a good point.

I had forgotten about that.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Nov 30, 2010 6:29 AM EST up reply actions  

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