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Not Entirely Random Thoughts On The Enes Kanter Issues

There are a lot of perspectives on the issues at stake in the Enes Kanter eligibility quagmire.

 

Here are four of my perspectives: (1) The Euro-interest; (2) the Kentucky interest, (3) the Domestic interest, and (4) the NCAA interest

 

The Euro-Interest

The Euro-interest in the Kanter eligibility issue is double edged - financial and political. The financial interest is fairly clear cut. As long as the options for talented young athletes to leave Europe are few, sports teams, amateur and professional, have a low-cost, high-quality talent pool controlled by current teams and leagues with high profit margins. At the point where the NCAA opens the Kanter pipeline to American college sports, control of this European talent pool is diminished if not totally lost. They lose high quality talent to the US, thereby denying them to their domestic venue; they lose the income from the sale and trading of contracts; and, they will be forced to pay higher competitive costs to retain the now smaller talent pool through bid up contracts and higher resulting compensations. Higher costs to put a sports product (perhaps with less talent) before the public ultimately means lower profit margins.

 

The foreign political interest is one we don't hear much about and centers around the patriotic fervor citizens of other countries (particularly, poor countries) have for their domestic athletes and participation in international leagues and sports competitions. Rather than being pleased that one of their citizens is trying to get a chance to play college ball in the US, their perspective is that the loss of a top athlete to another country is one less to uphold the national pride in international competition and still worse, that athlete may actually compete against their country's teams. So, even Turks with no financial stake in Kanter staying in Turkey are not sympathetic at all to his wish to play at Kentucky. It's rather like the attitude of a typical Hoosier fan toward a 5-Star Indiana HS basketball player having trouble getting eligible to play at Kentucky - ugly. 

 

 

Star-divide

The Kentucky Interest

Kanter gaining NCAA eligibility is a mixed blessing to Kentucky. Some of the BBN see this exercise as Kentucky/Calapari being cutting edge pioneers in collegiate athletics and take a certain pride in being first to test the new NCAA regulations regarding foreign athlete eligibility.

 

Obviously, Kanter playing on this year's team is a big boost with possible implications toward No. 8. And, potentially, No. 9, as the possibility for an NBA lockout could mean we have him for a second year as well. In addition, every European prep player (and Turkey, in particular) is avidly following this Free Enes story. Kentucky's reputation internationally would skyrocket and, at least for a while, we would claim the attention of all the best prep basketball talent in Europe as well as the United States. Not a bad thing.

 

Of course, Enes isn't eligible, yet, and Calipari/Kentucky have already taken criticism for even attempting to get "a professional" eligible to play. Some members of the BBN have wondered if the potential rewards of playing Kanter are worth the risks of what they see as a higher probability of a retroactive denial of Enes' eligibility by the NCAA. Such a disqualification after Kanter had already competed would almost certainly result in games being vacated. This is not a trivial concern in my opinion. In Enes' case, you have a set of entities, Fenerbahce Ulker, FIBA, Nedim Karakas (Fenerbahce general manager), and the rest of the Euro-league teams, who are ACTIVELY seeking to disqualify Kanter from NCAA eligibility.

 

This would be analogous to a situation where the significant entities in Bledsoe's case, the Birmingham School District, Parker High School, George Moore (athletic director of the Birmingham city schools), Steve Ward (Bledsoe's former coach at Hayes High School), Maurice Ford (Bledsoe's former Parker High School coach) and the Alabama High School Athletic Association, were actively trying to convince the NCAA that Eric WASN'T eligible. Although you might have a hard time convincing Pete Thamel that these entities in the Bledsoe case weren't biased, at least, if they were biased, they were inclined in Eric's favor and unlikely to engage in activity seeking to overturn any NCAA eligibility decision in Bledsoe's favor.

 

In Kanter's case they are not only biased against his eligibility but have the strong financial and political incentives discussed above to seek his disqualification even AFTER any initial NCAA decision to grant him eligibility. This is because they want to create strong dis-incentive precedents to prevent future secondary school athletes from leaving the Euro-talent pool for NCAA programs. Therefore, Enes and Kentucky run the risk that the Euro-interests will continue to discover (or manufacture) evidence even after he has initially been deemed eligible that would compel the NCAA to retroactively reclassify him as ineligible and vacate any games in which he played.

 

If a third Calipari school should have games vacated, the BBN and national media firestorm around our coach would be NUCLEAR. Quite possibly sufficient to cost him his job at Kentucky and maybe get him shunned from the entire NCAA. That seems an extremely high wager on the human and institution side for the chance to play one (very talented) Turkish basketball player. I hope Enes appreciates the risk Coach Calipari and the University are taking on his behalf.

 

The Domestic Interest

One area I'm intrigued by is the domestic impact of the opening of what I'm calling the Kanter pipeline. If the issues surrounding Kanter's eligibility are ironed out and a more or less clear path to freedom eligibility is defined, it could transform the American landscape in collegiate athletics.

 

The paradigm of higher learning is very different between the United States and the rest of the world. In most European-Asian-African countries, a University education is very difficult to obtain and, although there are club sports, there is no real such thing as an athletic scholarship. The youth sports system in Europe didn't grow into its current configuration accidently. Without University support for pursuing athletic excellence, professional sports businesses stepped in to develop and secure their talent pool.

 

Heretofore, the integration of youth sports and professional sports in these countries has made it difficult if not impossible to gain eligibility under NCAA regulations. But the new NCAA regulations remove that barrier, opening the way for quality European athletes to come to the United States on a student visa. The ability to use athletics to pursue a post-secondary education is a very enticing concept to Europeans and the rest of the world. It's my belief that the opportunity to play in the United States will greatly expand sports programs in Europe and elsewhere with the intent of riding an athletic scholarship on the Kanter pipeline to a university degree otherwise unobtainable in their own country.

 

So, if foreign students are taking up athletic scholarships how could that affect collegiate sports in the United States? For illustrative purposes, let's say the population of Europe is 900 million and the population of the United States is 300 million. All else being equal, you would expect only 25% of the top collegiate athletes to be American. If the WORLD population is 7 billion, again, all else being equal, less than 5% of college scholarships would be American. Extrapolate this idea forward and you could get a Kentucky basketball team that not only had no Bluegrass players on it but there might not be any Americans on it.

 

Obviously, all things aren't equal. Recruiting internationally is expensive which will limit smaller programs from taking full advantage. Also, you should expect the Euro-leagues to respond to retain as much of their talent pool as they can. There is also a quite understandable reluctance to leave one's home country. You should also understand that school policies that might discriminate against foreign students by reserving some number of athletic scholarships to Americans are not currently against the law. But, all in all, I expect the number of foreign athletes on campus to grow significantly in the short term and become ubiquitous in the long term.

 

The NCAA Interest

What does the NCAA get out of it? I have to think the answer is, "Not Much!" I assume there was a pent up demand by member institutions to untangle access to quality college age European athletes. Otherwise, it seems to be a lot of headaches for little return to the institution. There aren't many organizations around outside the public sector that are as reviled as the NCAA and continue to grow. Implementing the new regulations dealing with foreign student athletes seems an exercise in flagellation.

 

If anything, it's understandable that the first use of the new regulations to clear a foreign student athlete to play would be a slow thoughtful process but even this reasonable example of prudent care has drawn the criticism and ire of fans and media. I don't think the NCAA is taking their time because of any Calipari/Kentucky prejudice. Rather than a case of the NCAA implementing a policy of 'Chosa Kensa' (The Japanese inspection policy where obstruction and procrastination are used as a route to general delay of an awkward decision by lengthy study), I think they recognize the Kanter situation for the box of snakes it is...

 

As discussed above, the euro-interests in the Kanter case have tremendous financial and political incentives to plug the euro-talent to the USA leak before it becomes a torrent. This means, as opposed to the general case with United States prospects, every euro-recruit will come attached with significant (honest and contrived) issues to wade through before the player can be declared eligible. That's a ton of additional work by an already apparently overwhelmed NCAA Eligibility Center on high profile recruits that will result in significant - controversial - play in the press. And the number of these foreign athletes will grow and grow, imo.

 

Further, once the NCAA has somehow decided the recruit is eligible the game isn't over. By presenting further 'relevant' evidence, discovered or manufactured, subsequent to any initially favorable NCAA eligibility ruling, the Euro-interests can continue to menace a Euro-player's eligibility throughout his college career. This means the eligibility case for this international class of college athlete is NEVER closed. In addition, the Euro-interests can now target the true source of their enmity, the recruiting American athletic program. Any success on the part of the Euro-interests to overturn an initially favorable eligibility ruling by the NCAA puts the athletic program at risk for vacated games under the NCAA's own strict liability rules over a time frame as long as the NCAA is willing to accept input. It won't take many cases where the eligibility of foreign athletes is rescinded resulting in vacated games to put a complete chill on recruitment of Euro-players and put all the NCAA's work to create a Kanter Pipeline to waste.

 

Now, the NCAA could just engage a policy of Stare Decisis [stand by things decided. (Uphold previous rulings, recognize precedence)], effectively cutting off review to eligibility issues once having been ruled on, but that is a stance the NCAA has resisted for decades, and for good reason, in my opinion. (Consider what kind of eligibility fraud would ensue if a prospect's bonafides only had to stand up to a relatively short NCAA examination before becoming immune to discovery.) I firmly believe in the legal precept of Ex dolo malo non oritur actio [No right of action can have its origin in fraud].

 

Surprisingly, I actually expect the NCAA to clear Enes to play in the next few weeks. But even as that happens, we should stay tuned because this ride is far from over, imo.


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"Calipari/Kentucky have already taken criticism for even attempting to get "a professional" eligible to play"

Kentucky would not be doing this if the NCAA hadn’t opened this door. Kentucky is breaking no rules.

As for the risk, I look at it a little differently. It is like making a choice about marrying a beautiful woman (or handsome man, ladies ;)). Your chosen mate will attract a lot of attention and may be eventually tempted to cheat on you. The risk is high but the rewards are too if physical attraction is your thing. UK fans are definitely attracted to top quality players and winning games. We know the risk with the best players but the alternative is to take lesser talent and maybe get a shot at national prominence once a decade or so.

Buffalo Springfield said it best, “Paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep”. I am seeing a growing paranoia in some UK fans that is probably justifiable to some degree but unhealthy none the less. Enjoy the moment, it is all that we have.

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by kywineman on Oct 8, 2010 8:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I like this.

I agree that we should enjoy the moment. Will bad things happen? Possibly, but that’s true in life as well.

Live it, love it, live with the consequences. As long as we are doing things by the rules, I am fine with it if the breaks occasionally go against us — that’s the way life is.

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by Glenn Logan on Oct 8, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Having watched Cal up close for 10+ years

there are other much more higher risk recruiting battles of eligibility than Kanter. Quite frankly i disagree (respectively) with TeamWeaver. i do not see this issue as a mixed blessing at all – especially when compared to other recruits. To me, recruiting a kid with a mixed academic record (especially given the ncaa’s history of declaring a kid ineligible AFTER the fact) is much more of a mixed blessing

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Oct 8, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kanter was a no-lose scenario. If he is eligible, it is a windfall. If he is not

it gives Cal the guideline to measure every other european recruit by when he does recruit them. No violations to get, nothing to blow up in his face.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 8, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Granted the parallels between the Bledsoe and Kanter (and most other eligibility) cases are many.

You take a chance up front in tendering the scholarship offer. If the NCAA initially agrees the recruit is eligible, he plays. If subsequent information/evidence emerges that results in a retroactive denial of eligibility, games are vacated, careers are ruined, dreams are dashed.

Where I see the big differences between the two cases are in the nature and incentive of the contra contending parties to the players eligibility. Whatever feeling we may have toward Pete Thamel, he isn’t going to pursue the issue of Bledsoe’s eligibility any further. Unless he literally falls across a piece of undeniable evidence of eligibility fraud, he’s got no real incentive to expend scarce resources to try and GET Calipari/Kentucky/Bledsoe/Birmingham School District. And although I won’t say it’s never happened, I would be absolutely aghast to find Thamel felt compelled to manufacture false evidence of any type.

But in the Kanter case, the Euro-interests have financial and nationalistic pride issues to impel them to extended exertions to attack Enes, Calipari and Kentucky over long timeframes. Their livelihoods are at risk. Their country’s international image is at stake. These are serious motivating factors. And while I’m not accusing them of doing so, it is well within the realm of reason to fear the manufacture of false evidence.

So, when I say gaining Enes’ eligibility is a mixed blessing, I mean, yes, we get a great player, increase our opportunity to get No. 8, significantly enhance the Kentucky brand internationally, and open a recruiting pipeline to all the best euro-athletes (Remember, we’re not just talking about basketball here), but we also stir up a hornets nest of angry opposition of a nature virtually unknown in a NCAA eligibility case.

by TeamWeaver on Oct 8, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The burden of proof

will be on the providers of the evidence, which will be tainted with suspicion from the start. I really think this is tilting at windmills.

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by kywineman on Oct 8, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

They will be

adversarial, just not believable.

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by kywineman on Oct 8, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

good points, but i still disagree

to me the bledsoe and kanter situation are completely different. with every kid like bledsoe (ie, one who had to work extra hard to qualify academically) the blessing is mixed when we succeed as the ncaa has proven it will go back post season and recertify or decertify a player. with kanter, i do not believe there will be “a hornets nest of angry opposition” but rather a flock of college coaches recruiting europe like it has yet to be done. all the coaches in the world can say that kanter is a professional and that is why they did not recruit him. if kanter is ruled eligible, every one of those coaches will be on the next plane to europe…

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Oct 9, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the NCAA stands everything to gain by bringing in players like Kanter

from all walks of life. International interest is the only untapped market for NCAA basketball. And with the rules changes in FIBA this year, making it more like the American game, it will only serve to add to the already growing interest from overseas. The overseas club system may find itself on the outside looking in, should it become so difficult to deal with that when people see the opportunities here, they opt for the more lucrative approach.

The NCAA would not have made that ruling if it did not want to see kids like Kanter in there. I think what they have to do is be very careful to make sure they cross all the t’s and dot all the i’s on this one, because everyone is watching……EVERYONE!

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 8, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe so.

Seriously, players like Kanter are a big draw, and can make a difference in revenue.

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

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by Glenn Logan on Oct 8, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here i agree with GAE vs TW

The ncaa has a lot to gain in my opinion by opening up to European kids. In fact, this is the SOLE reason i believe the ncaa will find kanter eligible…..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Oct 8, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here I recognize the separation between the NCAA organization and its member institutions.

Often, I think, it’s difficult to discern which is the dog and which is the tail. But in this case, I think it is pretty clear the demand for Euro-athletes but member institutions has forced the NCAA to take on a truly huge additional workload with little opportunity for accolades but a wealth of opportunities for heated criticism. The NCAA is going to take a beating over the emerging issues as Euro-eligibility unfolds, imo.

by TeamWeaver on Oct 8, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe so...

i have been thinking of the ncaa organization and its member institutions as one and the same. possibly a fatal error as it is the assumption i am using to believe the ncaa will make kanter eligible

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Oct 9, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Latin/Legal phrases...

Putting everything out there in the beginning should honestly be the rule, but we know this is not the case where money and power interests are involved…TeamWeaver has provided a very clear picture here…at first i was extremely happy to hear about Kanter and KY, but as time has moved on, i’ve been carefully pulling back on my wishes…sadly… and for this kid who dared to dream big…very disappointing…would Kanter be able to play semi-pro here and then move into the NBA???

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please."...Mark Twain.

by KYCatwoman on Oct 8, 2010 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Couple of thoughts

First of all, this is outstanding – there’s a lot of great thought here.

I disagree with one part of your international perspective:

their perspective is that the loss of a top athlete to another country is one less to uphold the national pride in international competition and still worse, that athlete may actually compete against their country’s teams.

I think there is little reason to believe this would actually happen. Foreign players in the NBA always play for their home country in the World Championships and Olympics. Patty Mills – to cite a college example – still played for Australia even when he was still at St. Mary’s. There’s little reason to believe Kanter – or any other young European – would be any different if they played college ball in the US.

I also think you are overestimating the number of foreign players who would come to the US. Schools have been recruiting internationally for some time now (see Patty Mills above) from areas not in Europe without any kind of huge impact in numbers. With all the headaches of international recruiting and the risks involved with an international player returning overseas to play professionally (like the kid at Florida 6-7 years ago – Christian Dreijer?) I just don’t see there ever coming a time when the American college basketball player is an endangered species or even a threatened species.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Oct 8, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

JLeverenz -

Without trying to take this very far, I can match you example for example with athletes who compete against their home countries teams – think about the makeup of NHL or European League ice hockey or soccer teams. But in this issue the important thing isn’t the truth – it’s the way the nationalistic-minded person feels. If you have ever argued with a passionate person who didn’t have the facts on their side, I’m sure you found that “proving” them wrong didn’t change their mind about the nature of the disagreement. That’s because the act of marshalling facts didn’t change how they felt.

by TeamWeaver on Oct 8, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

JLeverenz -

Thank you for the initial compliment.

Also, I was using my phome to type out the above responding comment and hope I made a cogent argument everyone could follow. Let me expand a little.

First, there are tons of cases where athletes wind up on teams competing against their home country.

Second, it doesn’t matter if that really wasn’t the case. Because this is an emotionally charged topic for a nationalistic-minded person, where the facts line up is of less importance than how the person feels about the IDEA that an athlete from his country could essentially ‘defect!’

by TeamWeaver on Oct 8, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, my follow up question would be if there is any evidence that foreign fans actually feel this way?

I honestly don’t know. One example that springs to mind though is the Baseball World Cup. The rules for what country a player is permitted to play for are quite liberal and it’s not unusually for one player to have 2-3 different choices, but I have never seen any American fans express any disgruntlement about an American MLBer playing for another country.

3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.

by JLeverenz on Oct 9, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

TW,

I don’t really have all that much to add, as I pretty much said all I had to say about this issue yesterday in our brief conversation in that other Kanter eligibility thread — that we need to live in the moment, not be afraid of what’s coming, yada, yada, yada, but I do want to say that I think this is a great post. You covered all the angles and I appreciated reading the post. It was very well-thought-out, IMO.

And, about his part,

Some of the BBN see this exercise as Kentucky/Calapari being cutting edge pioneers in collegiate athletics and take a certain pride in being first to test the new NCAA regulations regarding foreign athlete eligibility.

Well, that would totally be me and I said that exact same thing yesterday. Proud of it, too. : )

by BigSkyCat on Oct 8, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

brain surgery.

are you volunteering? : )

You could make history, you know. The world would get to know and would always remember “GAE”. Doesn’t that sound great?!?

by BigSkyCat on Oct 8, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

you assume there is something up there to operate on......lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 8, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still an option - surgery can add stuff as well as work on stuff already there.

And I believe there would be a big discount for being his first patient. ;-)

by TeamWeaver on Oct 8, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.....couldnt handle being good AND smart.....

its tough enough being this good…..lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 8, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

a transplant? I think Pat Forde isn’t using his.

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by kywineman on Oct 8, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now you have gone and insulted me!!!

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 9, 2010 8:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

BSC -

I appreciate your position and wish I could face the world everyday with such a prespective. That is what the +1 is for.

Also, thank you for your kind words.

by TeamWeaver on Oct 8, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't read the novel!

I read the responses and don’t really think we will get Mr. Kanter this year or ever. I also think if He plays we stand a big chance of being punished after the fact!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 8, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

oldcat70 -

Thank you for your restraint. :-)

by TeamWeaver on Oct 8, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

TW

You are quite welcome. It is not your fault that I find it hard to concentrate on a long letter. Also not your fault that I don’t know Latin,French or what ever else you use at times. When I finished high school 53 years ago we had NO foreign classes offered. Not that I would have taken one anyway. Just remember when using those that there are some of us that you leave behind. I know I am in the minority as far as post high school education is involved so I will shut up. :-)

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 8, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I'd appreciate it if you didn't "shut up."

I enjoy reading your comments when you share them.

Cacoethes scribendi - is the Latin term for the “insatiable urge to write,” (Juvenal) that I sometimes suffer from. Unfortunately, I frequently suffer from Brevis esse latoro obscurus fio – [When I try to be brief, I speak gobbledegook]. And that is my point, it does me no good to write at length or use fancy Latin phrases if my ideas are crap and I sometimes need to hear that from someone who isn’t impressed by words you can’t even look up in a regular dictionary. They are kind of fun to flip around but superfluous to a good idea. :-)

by TeamWeaver on Oct 8, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is how I see it...

…The Latin phrases (or German or French, etc), are usually meant to add little touches to a writer’s piece. I sometimes know what they mean, and I sometimes don’t. If I am reading posts or comments (especially via mobile) without time or convenience to search for a translation while reading, I find I just skip that part, be it a main post or a comment. So if it was meant to add more meaning to a writer’s point, it may be an overlooked by some, resulting in a missed point.
Of course, I think everyone should write as they are lead. And, ASoB has many exceptional wordsmiths. But I also think being aware that if we are trying to emphasize a point, English may paint with much broader strokes. No criticism, just my two cents.

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by a2d2 on Oct 9, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Consensio Quod Discordia

First I would say that posts such as this and posters such as TeamWeaver are what place ASoB on a considerably higher plane in the sports blog hierarchy. The points covered were not quite all-encompassing but nevertheless thorough with the most obvious omission being the Kanter (individual and family) interest — one that can’t be dismissed due to its bearing on the others. Main point being that Enes Kanter is, in my reckoning, an anomalous case: one, he was at the time of participation with Fenerabahce a minor with all the legal disqualifications that entails; two, he is the child of educated professionals with all the inherent benefits that provides (moreso in Turkey than in the U.S.), not the least of which is the parental desire for a U.S. education — an aspiration that, according to testimony, led Mehmet Kanter to meticulously track the details, financial and otherwise, that might adversely affect the family’s goals. My assessment is that Calipari took those and other character assessments into consideration before offering a UK scholarship and I would expect the NCAA to do the same, though without the same compassion and, of course, subjectivity.

As for the other categories of interest there is not much room for discord. No doubt there is a strong commercial preoccupation on the part of Fenerabahce and the other European pro leagues and it would be naive to think they wouldn’t go to extreme lengths to protect their current and future interests. However I believe it is a bit of a stretch to attach an overabundance of nationalistic pride (even with the recent tilt of Turkey to the east) to the Kanter circumstance. One need only consider the great affection shown by the Anatolians toward their countrymen in the NBA, e.g. Turkoglu, Okur and Ilyasova, to know that appearance on a larger stage is accepted, yea even appreciated.

Considering the Kentucky and NCAA interest together since they are somewhat intertwined, I see little chance for a mixed blessing for UK. As much attention as this case has attracted and considering the precedent setting nature of the situation, the prospect of the NCAA reversing its decision on eligibility is, regardless of ex post facto evidence, quite unlikely. As for the self-interests of the NCAA it seems to me that the increase in exposure — consider a increasingly worldwide TV audience and merchandising possibilities — would offset any extra work and expense

Finally, the term domestic interest either is or soon will be an anachronism. Globalization is a reality and the process is not much past its infancy, and college athletics is by no means immune to its effects. The BBN has already proved it will support a team with few or no Kentuckians. There is little doubt that — especially as new generations populate BBN — that it would provide the same loyal advocacy for a roster of predominantly non-Americans.

NCAA willing I’m eagerly anticipating Enes Kanter in Blue and White.

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beings." Ludwig von Mises

by Wild Weasel on Oct 8, 2010 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

WW

“First I would say that posts such as this and posters such as TeamWeaver are what place ASoB on a considerably higher plane in the sports blog hierarchy” I put this in quotation marks because I don’t know how to put in in the blue box. You are possibly right! That said the average sports fan is left in a “lower plane” I admire people with all their education! What I don’t need is it pushed down my throat. If I knew any foreign language I would add it “HERE” Please don’t take this wrong, I know who on here has their degrees,they tell us! I’m just a Wildcat fan-from way back-that wants to read about “My Cats” I guess I should shut up while I’m ahead! :-) Go Cats!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 8, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

oldcat

My grandfather, who also admired those who are educated but only went through 8th grade himself, always warned me against becoming “an educated idiot.” I have strived to obey him for oh so many years.

by jdogblue on Oct 8, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks jdog!

He was a wise man!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 8, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey oldcat

HS is all I have too….you dont have to have a degree to be “smart” and have “knowledge”, as we both know….wish I could speak latin tho…oh well

by Bluehound on Oct 8, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think

anyone is pushing anything down anybody’s throat. If you are sensitive about the level of your education, that is a personal issue but don’t expect others to dumb down their comments or style. This board is not great because we have educated people posting here but, rather, for the civility of the discourse. It is never too late to learn something new.

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by kywineman on Oct 8, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

"As for the self-interests of the NCAA it seems to me that the increase in exposure — consider a increasingly worldwide TV audience and merchandising possibilities "

Bingo! There it is. Kanter will play here because the NCAA’s global ambitions will die if he doesn’t. Remember what I said a few months ago, “Money is the new tradition”.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 8, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

OK...

Initially what you were saying slide right past me for some reason, but after some thought, I now get it and confess that I like your thinking here. If that is THEIR thinking though, I have to say, it seems a little long term vis-a-vie the amount of effort and pain associated with initially opening the Kanter Pipeline in the short term.

by TeamWeaver on Oct 9, 2010 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK Look....If you guys are gonna go 13th century on all of us, then I want

someone to help a few of us out with some of those latin phrases…..

I would like a translation of the following…….

“just what in the wide wide world of sports were they thinking?”

" that’s just wrong"

“Go Big Blue”

“and if a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his butt when he hopped”

“yo mama”

“troll”

“thanks for playing”

“Kentucky Bourbon, Making ugly people beautiful for over 300 years”

when you get those translated I have a boatload more……lol

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 8, 2010 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Greg

I didn’t think I knew any Latin. Thanks!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 8, 2010 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

me either.....lol

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 8, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's One

Go Big Blue: Vado Magnus Puteulanus! Doesn’t have quite the same ring to it, does it?

Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an
alternate to any system which men can live as human
beings." Ludwig von Mises

by Wild Weasel on Oct 8, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you swear at me like that !!!

Caveat Emptor!!! I think?!?!?!?!

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 8, 2010 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Carpe ticatum!

Seize the tickets!

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 8, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

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OldCat, I guess they’re forcing us to add a Google Translator button to our browser toolbar:

http://translate.google.com/#auto|ru|

Nick

by KansasUKCat on Oct 8, 2010 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I have probably

said enough. One last thing. In my younger days in 50’s I knew many very wise and smart people who didn’t finish the eighth grade. They didn’t know or speak any foreign language-at least any that could be repeated in mixed company. I don’t begrudge you your higher education. I also never apologize for my high school diploma! I think the Wildcats will smooth over the rough edges. GO CATS!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 9, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions  

here is another random thought

14,15, and 16 are the ages Kanter played on the club team in Turkey at the age of 17 he moved to America, he just turned 18 only a few months ago. why do writers seems to leave out these age numbers?

by Nekorn on Oct 9, 2010 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Nekorn

Welcome to ASoB.

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 9, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions  

+1 to this.

I think this is a great read, and great commentary. I really don’t like the idea of European Semi-Pro’s playing in the NCAA, to be honest. I think European Sports Ethics are slimy at best, and opening the way for these ethics to mingle with the NCAA is just asking for trouble. Isn’t the AAU league bad enough by itself?

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by bobothevol on Oct 13, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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