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Kentucky Basketball: The Enes Kanter Matter

I wasn't going to write much, if anything, about the Enes Kanter kerfuffle.  It is being covered extensively by other blogs and news outlets, even so far as the burgeoning "Free Enes" popular movement which is taking on much of the personality of the John Wall dance.  But in all the reporting so far, I notice a lot of commentary on where we are, but very little on how we got here.  That's what we will be discussing in this article.

Essentially, Enes Kanter's eligibility as a student athlete wouldn't even have been considered a couple of years ago.  What makes Kanter's matriculation to UK theoretically possible is a change to the NCAA Bylaws.  Now, as anyone who has read the NCAA Bylaws knows, a more complex and Byzantine set of regulations does not exist in the world, unless it is the U.S. Tax Code.  As such, it is pretty dry reading, but what we will try to do is excerpt and explain the relevant sections, and how they might apply to Kanter's situation in the real world (if that term can accurately be applied to any NCAA regulatory action).

First, the bylaws as they used to be (from the 2008-09 NCAA manual):

12.1.2 Amateur Status. An individual loses amateur status and thus shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual:

...

(c) Signs a contract or commitment of any kind to play professional athletics, regardless of its legal enforceability
or any consideration received;

...

(e) Competes on any professional athletics team per Bylaw 12.02.4, even if no pay or remuneration for expenses was received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.3.2.1;

The ellipses indicate other conditions which have not been changed by the NCAA.  The exception of Bylaw 12.2.3.2.1 is an exception for educational expenses from certain sources which does not apply to Kanter.

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12.02.4 is the NCAA Bylaw that defines a "professional athletics team":

12.02.4 Professional Athletics Team. A professional team is any organized team that:

(a) Provides any of its players more than actual and necessary expenses for participation on the team, except as otherwise permitted by NCAA legislation. Actual and necessary expenses are limited to the following, provided the value of these items is commensurate with the fair market value in the locality of the player(s) and is not excessive in nature: (Revised: 4/25/02 effective 8/1/02)
(1) Meals directly tied to competition and practice held in preparation for such competition;
(2) Lodging directly tied to competition and practice held in preparation for such competition;
(3) Apparel, equipment and supplies;
(4) Coaching and instruction;
(5) Health/medical insurance;
(6) Transportation (expenses to and from practice competition, cost of transportation from home to training/
practice site at the beginning of the season and from training/practice site to home at the end of
season);
(7) Medical treatment and physical therapy;
(8) Facility usage; (Revised: 4/24/03)
(9) Entry fees; and (Revised: 4/24/03)
(10) Other reasonable expenses; or (Adopted: 4/24/03; Revised: 10/28/04)
(b) Declares itself to be professional (see Bylaw 12.2.3.2.4). (Revised: 8/8/02)

 

Fenerbahçe Ülker, the team Kanter played for when he was 17, is part of the Euroleague and would qualify as professional under (b) above, although there are teams in other countries who could meet the requirements of (a) 1-10, and who's players could be admitted to play by the NCAA.  But since Fenerbahce is patently a professional team in the Euroleague, it would seem to meet the definition of a pro team under (b).

So now that we've established that Kanter could not have played in NCAA competition under the old rules, let's look at how they changed.  First, 12.1.2:

12.1.2 Amateur Status. An individual loses amateur status and thus shall not be eligible for intercollegiate competition in a particular sport if the individual:

[12.1.2-(a) through 12.1.2-(b) unchanged.]

(c) Signs a contract or commitment of any kind to play professional athletics, regardless of its legal enforceability or any consideration received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.5.1;

[12.1.2-(d) unchanged.]

(e) Competes on any professional athletics team per Bylaw 12.02.4, even if no pay or remuneration for expenses was received, except as permitted in Bylaw 12.2.3.2.1;

[Remainder of 12.1.2 unchanged.]

The exceptions were changed as follows:

12.2.3.2 Competition with Professionals. An individual shall not be eligible for intercollegiate athletics in a sport if the individual ever competed on a professional team (per Bylaw 12.02.4) in that sport. However, an individual may compete on a tennis, golf, two-person sand volleyball or two-person synchronized diving team with persons who are competing for cash or a comparable prize, provided the individual does not receive payment of any kind for such participation.

12.2.3.2.1 Exception -- Competition Before Initial Full-Time Collegiate Enrollment -- Sports Other Than Men's Ice Hockey and Skiing.  In sports other than men's ice hockey and skiing, prior to initial full-time collegiate enrollment, an individual may compete on a professional team (per Bylaw 12.02.4), provided he or she does not receive more than actual and necessary expenses to participate on the team.

 

And:

 

12.2.5 Contracts and Compensation.  An individual shall be ineligible for participation in an intercollegiate sport if he or she has entered into any kind of agreement to compete in professional athletics, either orally or in writing, regardless of the legal enforceability of that agreement.

12.2.5.1 Exception -- Prior to Initial Full-Time Collegiate Enrollment  -- Sports Other Than Men's Ice Hockey and Skiing.  In sports other than men's ice hockey and skiing, prior to initial full-time collegiate enrollment, an individual may enter into an agreement to compete on a professional team (per Bylaw 12.02.4), provided the agreement does not guarantee or promise payment (at any time) in excess of actual and necessary expenses to participate on the team.

What this does is essentially remove the ambiguity in 12.02.4 for every sport other than hockey or skiing.  Now, it doesn't matter if the team declares itself professional or not, or meets any other definition of a pro team.  What matters is:

  1. The athlete cannot have a contract or agreement for compensation other than actual or necessary expenses, and;
  2. The athlete does not receive more than actual or necessary expenses.

As far as I know, neither Fenerbahçe nor anyone else has indicated the presence of a contract for expenses, compensation, or otherwise.  FIBA rules prohibit such an agreement for players under 18 years old, and Kanter was only 17 when he was playing for Fenerbahçe.  So the question that remains is number 2 above -- did Kanter actually receive compensation in excess of actual and necessary expenses?

Fenerbahçe says unequivocally that he did receive more than expenses.  Dr. Kanter (Enes' father), John Calipari and others contend he did not.  According to Adam Zagoria of Zagsblog:

The industry source said the club had ulterior motives for putting Kanter in the games.

"Fenerbahçe, they stuck him in like eight or nine games just to screw with his eligibility because they’re ruthless," the source said. "European clubs don’t want their kids coming him to America."

Fenerbahçe's General Manager, Nadim Karakas, told the New York Times that the club had paid for all kinds of things:

Karakas said that Fenerbahce provided housing to Kanter and his family for more than three years, provided them with food and pocket money and paid Kanter a salary of more than $6,500 a month during his final season.

There are two big issues for the NCAA in this paragraph -- the "and his family" part and the "salary" part.  Paying for lodging for Kanter's family would seem to exceed the "actual and necessary" requirement, although that is somewhat dependent on the situation -- Kanter was a minor, after all.  The salary part is not ambiguous.  If that is true, Kanter is a professional and will most likely never play in NCAA competition.

For Kanter's side of the story, his father, Dr. Mehmet Kanter, told Mike DeCourcy of The Sporting News:

"Since 2007, I wanted Enes to go to the USA and continue his basketball and education there, so I try everything to keep my son amateur and keep meticulous records of all the expenses knowing someday I may be asked (to) fully cooperate with the NCAA."

Dr. Kanter said "never once" was a salary demanded from Fenerbahce or discussed. "I always try to protected Enes from anything might damage his future."

What Kanter does say is that no salary was ever "demanded or discussed."  What he does not say is whether or not one was ever paid by the club anyway -- Fenerbahçe knows the NCAA rules full well, and could have voluntarily started sending Kanter checks for being on the team.  Would Dr. Kanter have sent them back?  Only he can answer that, and he did not really do so in his interview with DeCourcy.

What we have here, it seems, is very much a good, old-fashioned he said/she said.  To be fair to the NCAA, this is a complicated issue for which they are undoubtedly receiving pressure from the Euroleague through back channels.  Fenerbahçe's contact with the New York Times to get its position out in the media was clearly intended to confuse the situation and place the NCAA in a muddle, and give them an excuse to declare Kanter ineligible.  There is no telling what the payment records Fenerbahçe provided to the NCAA say, but one thing is pretty likely -- the NCAA will have to decipher them, and if they aren't explicitly arranged to support Fenerbahçe's claim, they are almost certainly arranged to engender maximum confusion.

Fenerbahçe had no motivation whatever to clean up the records for easy digesting and a quick at, and accurate decision.  To the contrary, every day that goes by with Kanter's eligibility in question is a victory for Fenerbahçe, and if the days turn into weeks and even months, the odds that the Kanters give up and look for other ways to go increase.

Will the NCAA free Enes?  I don't know.  We can only wait and hope.
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I am calling for an immediate boycott of all things Turkish until Enes is freed......

including Thanksgiving…….No Enes, No Turkey!!!!

No Enes, No Turkey!!!
No Enes, No Turkey!!!

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm as big a UK fan as anyone,

but something about the ‘Free Enes’ thing doesn’t sit right with me. The phrase ‘Free Enes’, connotes activism. Wrongly detained political prisoners have activists to fight their causes, questionable athletic participants have fanatics to fight theirs. Why aren’t ‘Free Enes’ people championing Dee Bost’s or Renardo Sydney’s causes? If the movement is truly about doing the right thing, then it shouldn’t be limited to UK. I don’t want Enes to play because I feel bad for him, I just want to watch him dominate basketball games.
I’m not trying to push anybody’s buttons, but I feel like the whole ‘Free Enes’ thing has been pushing mine.

by tyler cottrell on Oct 7, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

you may very well be right tyler, but if UK fans are anything, it is loyal to the cause

We don’t need a reason to act, just an excuse to make a point.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lighten up, Francis.

Besides, Bost and Sydney are guilty. Enes is innocent. Not that that would stop a true activist I reckon.

by JackBluto on Oct 7, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

oooh......a Stripes reference.......lol

you touch me “I’ll Kill You!!!”……

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

PSYCHO

“….Any of you guys call me Francis, and I’ll kill you.” … LOL :)

by ukcris on Oct 7, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

thought the same thing...

it is a bit much, but i figure it is all in fun.

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Oct 7, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree,

it’s not that big of a deal to me. It’s just that I tend to be right alongside and completely on board with most of our fanaticism; this time, not so much. Besides, I liked watching Miller play center in our first Canadian game!

by tyler cottrell on Oct 8, 2010 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

"a victory for Fenerbahçe"

I read something a while back (it wasn’t on any UK site and may have actually been on the SBN D-League blog) that talked about what might happen to Enes if he isn’t deemed eligible by the NCAA to come to the states (UK) to play ball.

I don’t totally understand the D-League and how players get there exactly, so I’m admittedly not sure if that is a viable or reasonable option for Enes. All I know is that if players are not drafted or if they are drafted and don’t actually make the roster of the team that drafted them, that’s the place they most often go to in order to keep working on their skills in the hopes of making an NBA roster eventually. It’s like a NBA-prep or something, minus the college part. But anyway, back to Enes. There was some discussion about how if Enes and his family felt that Fenerbahce screwed him in some fashion by preventing him from coming to UK that he could go there, to the D-League for a year. In that scenario, Fenerbahçe wouldn’t exactly "win" and although they might get some satisfaction from knowing that they won by paper-blocking him from playing in the NCAA, they would still be without him, not only for a year, but forever as after his year is up and he reaches the current NBA Draft eligibility age (19), he will obviously be NBA bound.

I don’t know how this will shake out, and quite frankly, my head kind of hurts from sifting through all that NCAA bylaw reading (no offense to you, Glenn, I’m thankful for the information you put here : )), but if he didn’t get compensated as detailed by the NCAA I think he should get a chance here, and obviously, if the NCAA does deem him as a compensated player we will be enjoying a season without a 6’11" center. So it goes, I guess.

by BigSkyCat on Oct 7, 2010 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Well BSC, one thing is for sure, if Enes has to go to the D-League he will take plenty of

experience at playing a lot of basketball for no compensation with him!

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Main worry about Enes' eligibility

That the NCAA’s incompatibility with the European Leagues may be so big that our friends in Indianapolis decide to punt. Therefore, no Kanter. The one hope in this is money. The better product Men’s D-I basketball puts on the floor the more the NCAA profits. So the more Kanters the better, right? It’s a dream, I have.

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Oct 7, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

exactly what i am pinning my hopes on....

that the ncaa sees it as a way to improve the product

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Oct 7, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a real possibility.

In fact, it might even be considered likely.

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by Glenn Logan on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

NCAA Test Case

I have to believe that since the NCAA went to the trouble to change the bylaws, they are serious about the eligibility of foreign players. Thus the Kanter case is the perfect test case:

1. He’s a big enough talent to mean something to all concerned, so the NCAA needs to take the case seriously and get it right.
2. He’s from Turkey, the worst-case scenario low-trust culture where everyone has their own story, their own documentation and sleeps with one eye open. Future German and Croatian players will be a piece of cake.
3. The NCAA doesn’t have to feel that if they deny Kanter’s eligibility they will put him under undue hardship. He’ll just go draw a big paycheck somewhere else. So they can take their time and get it right.

My feeling is that the NCAA’s timeline on this decision may drive us crazy.

"He still carries a lunch bucket. What's up with that?"

by BlueCollarMan on Oct 7, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Record Keeping

Seems to me if Fenerbahce had paid him what they said, they should have some records of it and would have made that known to the media. The fact that Mr. Kanter said he kept “meticulous records” but the club team makes no mention of their records leads me to believe Fenerbahce is just trying to get Kanter back for leaving the team to go to “bluer” :) pastures.

by Thestache on Oct 7, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Good write-up, Tru/Glenn

I’m a little curious as to why Cal is pushing so hard for Kanter’s eligibility. It would sound like even if the NCAA clears him, there’s a decent chance that new evidence could well come to light down the road that would render Kanter ineligible. If that’s the case, wouldn’t the NCAA be forced to revisit and possibly vacate any Kentucky wins with Kanter?

Not to come down harshly on Kanter if he is truly innocent, but there’s lots of shades of gray that can be continually rehashed. It would sound very much like an “innocent until proven guilty,” with Pete Thamel doing everything he can to find the silver bullet.

Obviously, Calipari would be legally in the clear if he didn’t have any knowledge, but the perception would be (just like it currently is) that Cal is openly flouting NCAA rules to benefit himself and his team.

I wonder if Cal would be pushing this hard if he still had a Cousins or Patterson-type around at center.

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by jc25 on Oct 7, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

from Calipari's history, I would believe he pushes this hard for anyone....

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

In response to your first paragraph:
I’m a little curious as to why Cal is pushing so hard for Kanter’s eligibility. It would sound like even if the NCAA clears him, there’s a decent chance that new evidence could well come to light down the road that would render Kanter ineligible. If that’s the case, wouldn’t the NCAA be forced to revisit and possibly vacate any Kentucky wins with Kanter?

While I totally respect your concern, I don’t really agree with that line of thinking. It’s valid, sure, but it’s the same line of thinking that was said about Eric Bledsoe. Should we avoid all players whom might pose problems down the road just in case new evidence comes to light? I don’t think we can be looking around the corner all the time. You wouldn’t give Eric back, even given the mess that became of his grades, would you,? And, on the flip side I can’t see not giving Enes a chance and supporting him because of being fearful of what might just come down the pipeline later on.

You kind of have to live life in the moment and do what you know and believe is right at the time. It’s kind of like the old saying; don’t get caught up in memory, because life won’t wait for you. In this case it’s, don’t look too far ahead, or life will pass you by.

Btw, jc – I love the new avatar. I love Mad Men and I love a killer b&w photo. Nice. : )

by BigSkyCat on Oct 7, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, BSC, I think jc25 has a good point.

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It isn’t JUST a matter of staying away from a recruit because they have a blurry area in their eligibility like Bledsoe (HS transcript). In Enes’ case, you have a set of entities, Fenerbahce Ulker, FIBA, Nedim Karakas (Fenerbahce general manager, and the rest of the Euro-league teams), who are ACTIVELY seeking to disqualify a prospect, Kanter, from NCAA eligibility.

This would be analogous to a situation where the significant entities in Bledsoe’s case, the Birmingham School District, Parker High School, George Moore (athletic director of the Birmingham city schools), Steve Ward (Bledsoe’s former coach at Hayes High School), Maurice Ford (Bledsoe’s former Parker High School coach) and the Alabama High School Athletic Association, were actively trying to convince the NCAA that Eric WASN’T eligible. Although you might have a hard time convincing Pete Thamel that these entities in the Bledsoe case weren’t biased, at least, if they were biased, they were inclined in Eric’s favor and unlikely to engage in activity seeking to overturn any NCAA eligibility decision in Bledsoe’s favor. In Kanter’s case they are not only biased against his eligibility but have strong financial and political incentives to seek his disqualification even AFTER any initial NCAA decision to grant him eligibility.

This is because they want to create strong dis-incentives for both euro-athetes and United States schools to prevent future secondary school athletes from leaving the Euro-talent pool for NCAA programs. Therefore, Enes and Kentucky run the risk that the Euro-interests will continue to discover (or manufacture) evidence even after he has been deemed eligible that would compel the NCAA to retroactively reclassify him as ineligible resulting in vacated games he played in for the Wildcats.

by TeamWeaver on Oct 7, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

all valid comments, of course.

My only comment in return would be:

Someone has to be the pioneer. Someone has to have a vision and pave the way. Perhaps Coach Cal and consequently, UK in the process are that pioneer, we are that visionary when it comes to foreign players. Maybe we’ll knock down the foreign-players-coming-to-the-NCAA door. People thought Einstein was crazy and first, too, right? (that may not be the best example here, but you are a smart guy, I’m sure you get my main point) Well, there you go. I’m not afraid to be a pioneer.

by BigSkyCat on Oct 7, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand this statement

“Obviously, Calipari would be legally in the clear if he didn’t have any knowledge, but the perception would be (just like it currently is) that Cal is openly flouting NCAA rules to benefit himself and his team.” Exactly what is Cal flouting? Testing is more appropriate, don’t you think? The NCAA set the new rules, Kanter may be eligible under them and this is the perfect case for them to decide on. As for taking some risks with high profile players, history is full of people that never took risks, but no one knows who they were.

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by kywineman on Oct 7, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

a memphis fan asked me about kanter yesterday...

said he heard he was forgoing bball to go into pro wrestling. sad thing is, i think the fan was serious. supposedly, kanter is a big fan of “the undertaker” but just shows what i have to deal with day to day…

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Oct 7, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

our condolences....lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pro wrestling

I think it’s more likely that Kanter has said recently in interviews that after his professional basketball career is over, he’d like to try professional wrestling. I didn’t get the impression he was willing to do that now.

by sprink on Oct 7, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fenerbahçe & the Euro League

realize this is much larger than just Kanter, they could lose their entire feeder system if their players decide to play in the ncaa and they will say or do anything to protect their system. Why does not the ncaa realize that they will have access to some outstanding Euro talent for all of the the ncaa teams? Or is it just anti-Calipari/anti-Kentucky “feeling” overriding sound judgement. Or it could be just as simple as one group of Elitists scratching the back of another group of Elitists. normal politics “go along to get along”. Or as always it could be just the ncaa and nobody will ever understand.

by lccat on Oct 7, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

wait until we start cultivating that China connection!!!.....lol......

If the NCAA cannot figure out Turkish documents, how are they ever gonna translate Chinese ones…..

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cal and Kanter

I haven’t heard anywhere that Cal is pushing the NCAA to get Kanter. He is waiting just like the rest of us.

by oldkentucky on Oct 7, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions  

NCAA

Said it before and still say it. The NCAA SUX!

Bad week to quit sniffing glue!

by alwaysblue on Oct 7, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

a midday distraction for everyone......

The Wizards fans are going to have to get used to seeing things like this!!!!

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

nice try on the distraction,

even if it is a little late. I actually saw this about 4 days ago and yes, Wizards fans along with the rest of the NBA are all abuzz about our little Wall. It’s very exciting, IMO.

Thanks for the distraction effort, though, Greg. Good of you to try. : )

by BigSkyCat on Oct 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...

If John does too much of that kind of stuff, he’ll find himself out due to injury quite a bit. Players in the NBA don’t take kindly to that kind of show boating at their expense.

by TeamWeaver on Oct 7, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh?

So, they’ll hurt him on purpose just ‘cause he’s skilled? Those were his teammates, it was a scrimmage, right? And, you did notice everyone cheering, didn’t you? Even the fellas on the sidelines? He’ll be fine.

And besides, I was talking about fans being all abuzz, not players, as it’s the NBA fans that I have been interacting with, not the players, obviously. Maybe you know the players personally? : )

by BigSkyCat on Oct 7, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not his team mates, in a scrimmage - no problem, but other team's players will definitely send a strong message.

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They not only have ego on the line but big contract dollars.

Sorry BSC, I was sort of responding to Greg but replied in the wrong box.

Fans love it but opposing players have too much riding on their court image to allow it. Consider this: how often have you seen even the big names in the pro-game doing this type of play. It’s not that they forgot how….

by TeamWeaver on Oct 7, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have to catch him first!!!!

Lol

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 5:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

NBA players are businessmen

in a league that is built on its stars.

John Wall is good for business. Everybody’s business. Those guys know how to put 2 + 2 together.

Wall isn’t a young kid joining a law firm, or the greenhorn on a crab fishing boat like on ‘Deadliest Catch’— he is the undisputed leader and ‘face’ on an NBA franchise. And did I mention he is good for (the) business (of the NBA)?

He’ll be fine.

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by HSLex on Oct 7, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I have stated

several times on other threads. The fun and games are over! Cuz,Wall and other rookies will pay a price for their early success. The veterans in the NBA don’t take lightly to being shown up by rookies. It is a job now and their lives depend on looking good on the floor.

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 7, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm 95% Confident

Enes Kanter will play for UK this season but he MAY lose 5-10 games of eligibility.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 7, 2010 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

That would certainly ...

… be an outcome I think most UK fans could live with.

I hope you’re right.

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by Glenn Logan on Oct 7, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forty, in this case I am praying to the

Almighty you and your sources are dead on.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 7, 2010 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hope you are right too, Four O

I just hope they make a decision … whatever that might be, before the season starts and not drag us through the OOC portion of the schedule hoping he’ll play in SEC games …

by ukcris on Oct 7, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again I don't understand

why he would lose any games; I thought under the new rules he was either a PRO or not? Boy I’m confused.

by lccat on Oct 7, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Note:

Tony Wroten just picked University of Washington. Card Cronicle in uproar! Ricky can’t seem to land any players!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 7, 2010 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

He picked

Washington so he could play on a better team with a chance to beat UK if they meet. There would be unbelievable hype for that game if Kanter is eligible to play with Terrance Jones.

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by kywineman on Oct 7, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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