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Kentucky Basketball: Rick Stansbury, Bitter Clinger

Rick Stansbury wants everyone to understand that there is no comparison between Enes Kanter and Dee Bost.  None, you hear!

After John Calipari went out of his way at SEC Media Days to praise the NCAA for allowing Dee Bost to play after he became a de-facto professional by not withdrawing his name from the NBA draft, Rick Stansbury decided that he couldn't have Calipari looking good by backing up his player.  To wit:

"There's no comparison to Dee Bost," Stansbury said at the SEC Media Day on Thursday. "Let's get that straight."

The State coach noted that Bost had already played in college, had not worked out for any NBA teams and had fallen victim to a rule change that required players to withdraw more than a month earlier than the previous deadline.

"He's not a pro," Stansbury said. "... For any kind of comparison to be made, I don't think Dee is a good one to make it on."

I beg to differ, coach.

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Far be it from me to be upset about how the NBA handled the Bost situation.  I advocate allowing anyone who enters the draft and goes undrafted to renter college.  If they get drafted, they are pros, but if the draft does not select them, I think they should be able to return to their scholarship and resume playing after paying back any money that they took during the draft process.

But the rules are the rules, and the NBA rule is that you have to withdraw by May 8th or be declared a professional. Bost failed to do so and then claimed that he didn't know the rule. I'm skeptical, and so was Andy Katz:

But the NCAA scrapped its former deadline in a pretty public manner, and the NBA did acknowledge it May 11 with a list of players who withdrew from the draft and others who remained in consideration. Somehow, Bost's teammate and classmate Ravern Johnson got the message and withdrew in time for the May 8 deadline.

The bottom line is, the rule is the rule and Bost wound up on the pro side of the rule.  He became a professional by reason of the rule.  If he forgot, that's too bad, it's his responsibility to declare for the draft and his responsibility to withdraw timely.  "I didn't know the law" is no excuse, and "I didn't know the rule" isn't either.  Just ask former UK defensive standout Jeremy Jarmon.

I'm glad the NCAA is allowing Bost's return and so is John Calipari.  One would think that Rick Stansbury would appreciate the support from his fellow coach, but Stansbury has displayed a bitterness toward Kentucky since Calipari came on board here that surprised me, and it continues to this day.  Stansbury was bitter about an alleged no-call in last year's SEC tournament final that allowed DeMarcus Cousins to tie the game that Kentucky would eventually win, despite inconclusive video evidence of his claim (inconclusive because both MSU and UK appeared to be in violation during the play).

That bitterness raised its head again, not just from his rejection of Calipari's support for his player, but by a suggestion that Kentucky may get special treatment from the NCAA in the Kanter matter.  Stansbury's argument essentially goes like this:  Dee Bost is a former college player who ran afoul of a stupid NCAA rule, and Kanter is a professional trying to get the NCAA to declare him an amateur, and Kentucky is using its prestige unfairly in this matter.  That's not what Stansbury said, but it is unquestionably what he meant.

My dear coach Stansbury, the Bost and Kanter situations are indeed directly analogous.  They both involve players who have committed acts of professionalism under the rules, Bost by declaring and not withdrawing timely from the NBA draft, and Kanter by playing for Fenerbahçe Ülker.  Bost had a duty to ensure that he abided by NCAA rules, and so did Kanter if he ever wanted to play in America.  Bost has no excuse -- he clearly did not follow the rule that would provide for his eligibility, and the NCAA gave him an obvious pass for a very questionable and frankly unbelievable claim of ignorance.

Kanter, on the other hand, has always established that he is within the NCAA rules as written, and his father claims to have kept meticulous records to that end.  The NCAA is attempting to determine if in fact that is so, despite deliberate and intentional interference by Fenerbahçe Ülker.  If anything, Kanter's situation is more deserving of sympathy by the NCAA than Bost's.  The details my be different, but the issue is exactly the same...the question of amateurism as defined by the NCAA Bylaws.

In sum, Stansbury is not only wrong, but he's bitterly clinging to his frustration with Kentucky and his unquestionably nonsensical belief that UK gets all the breaks.  I wish it were true, just so I could wallow in a little schadenfreude and ask coach Stansbury to pack sand.  Unfortunately, UK does not get all the breaks.  MSU got a big one with Bost, and arguably a bigger one with Sidney.

Stansbury should shut up and count his money.

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And I thought the NCAA closed the Randolph Morris loophole anyway, Stansbury should just be thankful he’ll get any games out of Bost.

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 22, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn't Morris have to sit out half of the season before he was able to play again?

Bost will serve a 9 game suspension … maybe Stansbury should check his facts before saying we get favoritism ….

by ukcris on Oct 22, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morris missed 13 games.

But, Sidney missed all of last year while the NCAA ruled on his eligibility.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 22, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ken Howlett

Me too. A day late and a dollar short. LOL

We're as good as the best and better than the rest.

by alwaysblue on Oct 25, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sidney a little different form Kanter .... I hope.

The Sidney’s moved from Miss to LA Their lavish lifestyle rasied eyebrows and questions. Like Kanter, Sidney was also part of a basketball club. After USC and UCLA dropped him like a hot potato, enter Stansbury with lawyers at the ready …. I hope Mr Kanters record keeping makes the Kanter situation go smoother than the Sydney’s did.

by ukcris on Oct 24, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

As I recall, the NCAA claimed Sydney wasn't forthcoming.

That does not appear to be a problem with Katner’s folks.

by JackBluto on Oct 25, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jack, Jack, Jack.

It’s Kanter. Kanter.

I only mention this because you pride yourself on good writing manners and you do go out of your way to point out the writing mistakes of others, so I figured this is something you should and would want to know. Not trying to be a grammar nazi. I would appreciate it if someone pointed out something that I misspelled constantly (and I know there are probably many things), so I thought you might, too. : )

by BigSkyCat on Oct 25, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, BSC, I think if you look over all my posts you will see great inconsistency in how I spell it.

I intend to get it right, but often I type, am in and out in a few minutes, and forget to check if I got that dern t and n in the right order.

I don’t think I try to point out the writing mistakes of others often if I think it is a type-o or misspelling (in fact, I am more likely to joke about it – see my “lousy spellar” comment below), but I know I have made exceptions to that rule.

You are right though. I need to get his name right, especially if he ever gets to play for us.

by JackBluto on Oct 25, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really was just messin', Jack.

I could care less about others’ grammar and spelling errors as I can usually figure out what was intended even in the case of a misspelling or whatever and I don’t think errors (within reason, of course) take away from a posters point, but it does bother me when I make a mistake. It drives me nuts actually, and I kinda thought you might be the same just given what you have posted in the past and that you do comment about grammar once in awhile and what not. I really wasn’t trying to be a hard ass or jerk. Cool? : )

by BigSkyCat on Oct 25, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stansbury doesn't like UK-

So get in line…It just makes for more exciting games in the future. He is a good coach and recruiter. It’s a shame is is also a sore loser…

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Oct 22, 2010 1:05 PM EDT reply actions  

He liked us when Tubby was coach.

I think Stansbury’s been raked over the media coals so much on the Bost issue that he’s just a little sensitive – poor baby.

by TeamWeaver on Oct 22, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Doubt That

He was 2 W and 10 L versus UK from 1998 through 2007 seasons.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stansbury should be happy.........

not only because of Cal’s support but that he compared Bost to Kanter at all. The big difference to me is that Bost actually broke an NCAA rule and got away with it, while Kanter hasn’t broken any rules and is just trying to gain eligibility to play. Cal actually did him a favor by endorsing the NCAA looking the other way. I guess Pitino isn’t the Rick hating on Coach Cal eh?

by slidemank on Oct 22, 2010 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Stansbury's new nickname is henceforth "The Rick"

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 22, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cal kind of commented on this in his Lexy post today in an offhanded manner

saying that he went to the SEC press coverage to promote his players first, then other schools, and the conference itself. He took the high road….Stansbury wants to get cute. Sounds to me like that SEC conference Cahmpionship loss still stings.

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 22, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I couldnt spell snot today....lol...

or I am dislexic…..see???

SEC Conference Championship!!!

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 22, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you mean "dyxlesic."

Shouldn’t the NCAA punish Stans – fine him or suspend him a game or two – for openly criticizing the NCAA in the media? It’s worse than what he did last year, which was to impugn the referees. Here, he’s impugning the institution itself. Seriously, suspend him, and increase the penalty each time the recidivist repeats his offense. Maybe he’ll eventually learn his lesson.

by Wheatgerm on Oct 22, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

which was why I said," see???".......lol

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 22, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

With all fairness

He has a right to have it sting, especially given their exclusion from the NCAA tourney because of it. That Mississippi State team shouldn’t have been in the NIT, imo.

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by bobothevol on Oct 25, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

bobothevol

Mah deah suh, have you the gahl to dowt the blessed NCAA in theah decishun?

We're as good as the best and better than the rest.

by alwaysblue on Oct 25, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Check this quote too.........

Funny………..

Mississippi Coach Andy Kennedy expressed surprise that ex-Kentucky player Donald Williams had to ice his knees after several practices.

“If the rumors are true about Billy Gillispie’s practices, I’d think this has to be like spring break,” Kennedy said he told Williams.

by slidemank on Oct 22, 2010 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought Stansbury whines because...

he wanted to play for UK himself in his younger days and didn’t get an offer. And since that time, the chip on his shoulder has grown heavier with each passing year.

But maybe I don’t have my historic facts straight, in which case Forty or maybe Glenn will likely straighten me out.

by StillCatwoman on Oct 22, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Stansbury played at Campbellsville, so it's unlikely

he thought he should have gotten an offer from UK. But who knows.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 22, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus,

he’s never really never bad mouthed UK previously (and he’s really not now. Him saying UK gets breaks from the NCAA isn’t really him talking bad about UK, whether his thoughts are inacurrate or not), and actually, he’s had some very nice things to say about Kentucky in the past.

As far as this thing with Cal comparing Bost to Kanter, and Stansbury’s response, well, to me it’s just not a big deal. But I’m probably in the minority.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 22, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Never Heard Of Any UK Interest In Stansbury As A Player

And I’ve followed UK recruiting pretty avidly since the mid 1960’s.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 23, 2010 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What I remember

are media reports from years ago that Stansbury wanted to coach at UK some day. That ship has sailed.

by jdogblue on Oct 23, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

jdog

you nailed it.

Stansbury is a Kentucky boy and while he may have pined to don the blue and white as a player he probably realized he wasn’t skilled enough to do so.

so, what does he do? he becomes a coach and his ultimate goal is to coach at UK. when the BCG experiment went sour he was probably ready for the phone call and when it never came he became bitter.

not only does UK not need him as a player they don’t need him as a coach.

don’t hate him, feel sorry for him. he just wants to be a part of the team just as much as we do.

GO BIG BLUE!

I have kleptomania,
but when it gets bad,
I take something for it.

by bluecrip on Oct 23, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The whistle did blow our way a couple of times against Miss St last year

We did get a couple of breaks, but they were incidental. We’ve had a lot go against us in the past, too though. That’s just part of basketball. You’ve got to chalk it up and move on.

by EEWildcat on Oct 22, 2010 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Amazing....

You can say something completely harmless and actually take up for someone else. And still be the bad guy.

!!FREE ENES!!

by phatcatfan on Oct 23, 2010 1:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Stansbury

is from my hometown. Its pretty obvious in here that he felt slighted when his name wasn`t mentioned while the coaching search began. Rick is a good guy, great family too. Just a little envious in my opinion.

by lancea on Oct 23, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

i figured words like tampon and midol

weren’t that bad especially used toward a tool like stansbury but oh well if we are going to have a pg thread then so be it, ill play by the rules

FREE ENES

by kentuckywild on Oct 24, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Rule Of Thumb

If you wouldn’t say it directly to Stansbury’s face, don’t post it here.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 24, 2010 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol id say it to stansbury

id say it to most uk haters… might get my butt kicked but a coward i will never be

FREE ENES

by kentuckywild on Oct 24, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

FortyYearCatFan

I agree but never took Rick to be such a bushleaguer. Learn something new everyday.

We're as good as the best and better than the rest.

by alwaysblue on Oct 25, 2010 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best thing

you’ve said in a long time.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 23, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stansbury's Hurt Feelings

He didn’t make it as a player, hasn’t made it as a coach and with his mouth now about KY he want even get the chance. Just goes to show that when Rich ran his mouth he should have put his foot in his mouth then maybe he would have made such an a$$ out of himself. I hope you enjoy Mississippi Rick

by kyalltheway on Oct 23, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Stansburry's reaction wasn't necessary whatsoever

But I do agree with him, on this. It goes back to the whole “if you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say it at all” mantra, and Stansburry got nothing out of saying this except, at best, scorn. Still, it is an entirely different situation, the only similarities of which involve a definition of “professional.”

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I will give my North Carolina for Tennessee Today. Apparently.

by bobothevol on Oct 25, 2010 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Coach Cal's comments

on this have been so twisted and taken out of context. He was talking about the big picture where the NCAA is giving players an opportunity to make up for stepping outside their rules. He hopes the NCAA will be lenient to Enes and give him his shot at college basketball and his comments were very supportive of the decision regarding Dee Bost. Stansbury might want to put on his big boy pants and get over it.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 25, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

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