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Pete Thamel? Bueller? Anybody?

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I realize Pete Thamel was just writing what he was allegedly told, but

has he ever actually checked any facts? Also, has anyone ever seen Pete Thamel and Jayson Blair together? I’m not saying they are actually the same person, but…

Scouting report on me: He may look slow on film, but wait until you see him in person.

by UKCat on Oct 20, 2010 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Great article

Makes me hope more than ever that Kanter gets a chance to play.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 20, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

This isn't a comment about Kanter

But the author doesn’t do a good job factoring basketball into the equation, either. Obviously any foreign student who wants to play in the NCAA has some level of Academic motivation, skipping out on spring vacation was probably quite necessary to participate in basketball camps at UK. Just to point out it’s bad writing form to negate the opposition in favor of your own argument. To be frank, if Kanter was only academically motivated he’d be going to go play basketball for an Ivy League school.

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

"Frank" would be drawing an a conclusion that does not logically follow.

Just because one may desire the academics of an Ivy League school does not mean one is qualified to attend. Ivy League in Turkey may not equate to Ivy League in America.

The writer very clearly understood that Kanter was coming here mostly for basketball, and by no means implies that education is his only motivation, as you seem to conclude. It remains to be seen if Kanter will pass up NBA millions for four years at Kentucky, but even if he doesn’t, it does not mean his education isn’t important to him. A year at Kentucky is one year less he will require to complete a degree program.

Finally, the response was directed at a comment by Thamel that Kanter’s academics were “not among Kanter’s strengths.” The writer effectively refuted that by pointing out straightforwardly that, whatever Kanter’s ultimate objectives, academics clearly are one of his strengths.

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by Glenn Logan on Oct 20, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glenn

What would you say the odds are that enes is freed. 50 50 is the best I got. You never know with the ncaa, however I ask you because I was wondering since its so close to start of season. It would really bite if we didn’t have a decision by then. The whole matter is a lot to wrap ones head around.

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by phatcatfan on Oct 20, 2010 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I would place the odds 80% in favor.

You can’t take my word for it, but I believe the NCAA is not buying what Fenerbahce is selling

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by Glenn Logan on Oct 20, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you....

I know you can’t be 100 percent, but I can tell you that whatever the decision I will read it here on your site.

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by phatcatfan on Oct 20, 2010 7:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wheatgerm

Thanks. Its nice to see some one has a positive outlook. Six games would not be that bad. We could call It the Big Blue Patience Building exercise.

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by phatcatfan on Oct 20, 2010 10:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

For Enes, partying with his friends and enjoying the most beautiful beaches in the world was secondary to Education.

It’s not just for education, it’s to get to ready for basketball season. Not to mention, hasn’t he been in America for a year now, in California? It’s not like he just graduated High School over in Turkey and immediately hopped on a plane to Kentucky.

Enes wants to be a student at University of Kentucky. To take that opportunity away from him would mean there was no meaning to his years of day and night study earning him the privlege to study in one of Turkey’s best school as a mere 9 year old. It would negate what Professor Dr. Kanter has preached to he and his 2 younger brothers.

Nobody is questioning if he can be a student at the University of Kentucky. People are questioning if he can be a student at the University of Kentucky and play basketball at that University. If his dream has always been to study in America, nobody is denying him that. Shoot, I’m sure he’s good enough to go to school, stay in shape while there, get a degree, and still make a pro team.

Whatever happened to the old saying "Like father, like son". Does that not mean anything? Peyton and Eli saw dad and was influenced, so did Michael Douglas, Enrique Iglesias and George Bush. Why is it so hard to believe that a kid may want to follow in his dad’s footsteps. Having met Enes, I am convinced that he does.

He’s not following in his dad’s footsteps, he’s becoming a Pro Basketball player, not a Professor. Going to college does not a professor make. Beyond that, there are Universities that exist outside of America, and ones that are fairly good. Yes, America has the best Universities but there are other places to learn the same information. Why would denying him Kentucky magically make everything worse as far as his education goes?

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Once again ...

 … you are ignoring the main point, which was a refutation of a claim. You are then compounding your error by raising strawmen.

It is clear when the author is talking about “footsteps,” he isn’t talking about being a professor or a doctor but a good student.

You are harping on basketball. That isn’t the issue, and never was. What is at issue is the claim that academics is not a strength of Kanter. That is what is being refuted here. Get the point? No? That Big Orange thing has addled your brain. :-)

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by Glenn Logan on Oct 20, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glenn:

Strengths are relative.

Enes may very well have been admitted to The Samanyolu School as a precocious 10 year old but that says nothing about how he performed once he was in. Like all groups, there is bound to be a distribution of individual performance and Enes may not have been a lock to gain admission to University despite his studies at this prestigious private high school. In Turkey, the standard of academic excellence is measured against attaining a University track designation and progress toward passing the National University Entrance Examination. Despite the contrarian Wildcat examples of Patrick Patterson and Brandon Knight, we all know athletic savants in the United States are seldom the best students. In Turkey, that juxtaposition of student and athlete is just as challenging and maybe more so.

The total capacity of Turkish universities is 450,000 – Wikipedia – while every year approximately 1,600,000 students take the admissions examine and that number is going up every year. I’m told by Turkish nationals who know this stuff that only about 5% of applicants pass the University admissions exam. It’s called the “Life = 180 minutes?” exam because it’s a 3 hour test covering their entire academic history and determines the rest of their ‘life.’ It places a huge amount of stress on the students and their families as well as engendering a ton of anger from unsuccessful applicants with dashed dreams. Families with any kind of aspirations for their kids encourage extremely disciplined study habits. Still, only 5% pass.

Unless you are attending an Anatolian Imam-Hatip High School (religious training) or a Vocational bi School (no plans for college), most families begin examining college options shortly after the their child takes a set of qualifying examines at the end of the 9th grade. This is apparently when the Kanter’s began looking to sent Enes out of the country. These early exams basically try to segment the student population into various career and continuing education tracts. If you score sufficiently high to place you in a University track, even middle-class parents frequently try to enhance the odds of passing the entrance exam by transferring their child to an expensive private school. If it becomes clear you’re unlikely to pass the exam despite the benefit of private school (and Enes was already in private school), families who can afford it, begin to assess the need to go overseas for post secondary-education. The United States is a very attractive option. Enes’ father is no fool.

Believe it or not, basketball players in Turkey do not benefit from excessively high social status. Owing to the extreme difficulty of obtaining a college education, educated professionals occupy a higher rung on the social ladder. When Enes is talking to this Tamer Turkman (Study In America), an educator no less, of course he’s going to play up the opportunity to study in the United States rather than the chance to play basketball. Does that mean he is academically talented, maybe, but given the odds, probably not. He appears to be a bright enough guy and by American standards certainly deserves an opportunity for a college education but I think you are reaching to become indignant about anybody suggesting that Enes’ strong suit isn’t academics. Honestly, as long as he stay’s eligible and can sustain credible progress toward graduation, and UK will move heaven and academic earth to keep him eligible, then, as with the rest of the guys on the team, it’s a total none issue.

by TeamWeaver on Oct 21, 2010 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe

it was a personal attack rather than a suggestion.

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by kywineman on Oct 21, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well ...

… as I explained at the outset, this was a response to a claim that Kanter was, essentially, a poor student. I think given this article, that seems unlikely. He may not be an academic savant or even a student of the quality of a Brandon Knight, but it seems clear that the imputation of poor academics made by Thamel et. al. has been effectively refuted.

Being academically talented, as you say, is relative, but one need not be all that talented to be considered strong academically when it comes to a basketball player on scholarship in a U.S. university, with all due respect to them.

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by Glenn Logan on Oct 21, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

The article sounded to me like a teacher who read a bunch of crap about

one of their students who decided to try and set the record straight to me, simple as that.

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 21, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Glenn,

Despite your name being at the top there, this little essay wasn’t aimed with you in mind. If it came across that way please accept my apologies. :-(

by TeamWeaver on Oct 21, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Selective Reasoning = Faulty Conclusion
To be frank, if Kanter was only academically motivated he’d be going to go play basketball for an Ivy League school.

Emphasis mine.

Nowhere in the piece was it stated that academics was the only motivation for Kanter. And suggesting such is a sure sign of intellectual (read: orange) bias and negatively impacts the entire statement.

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by Wild Weasel on Oct 20, 2010 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on bobo

Dont hate. ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Oct 22, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody knows for sure

All UK fans want Enes Kanter to be playing on our team this year, but the reality is that there are just no hard facts out there. Pete Thamel’s articles seem to have absolutely nothing concrete to back them up, just as this article has nothing to back it up. We want Enes Kanter to be Mother Theresa and our foes want him to be Vlad the Impaler. What sucks is that neither side knows what really happened. The whole lack of visibility drives me nuts and what its doing to an eighteen year old I can only imagine.

by chicagoblues on Oct 20, 2010 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Which is why I find it hard to believe that the NCAA wants this as their test case

When in doubt, its often just easiest to punt.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

This IS their test case.

If they fold, then the clubs in Europe will have shut off the pipeline.

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by kywineman on Oct 20, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

They won't punt.

But they may well compromise. Blevins indicates there might be some suspension for political reasons, for the sake of appearance. It’s a little like the White House calling for a Fed interest rate cut. Even if a cut is warranted, the Fed can’t appear to be caving in to the White House. Here, if the NCAA clears Kanter without penalty (he is currently missing practice), the fear is a backlash that it plays favorites, as with Duke and Maggette. Let’s hope they understand that if they do the right thing, they won’t have to worry about their image.

BTW, what’s the reasoning behind not letting Kanter practice? It was okay for him to play with professionals, but he can’t practice with amateurs? The prohibition is currently hurting UK, so if there’s some penalty to be paid, the NCAA should consider at least some of the time “already served.”

by Wheatgerm on Oct 20, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This article was written by one of the people who helped Enes get his requirements completed to be allowed to come over here

in the first place. What should there be to back it up? He got qualified. I don’t get the conspiracy angle from everyone. Can’t the guy just be a decent kid who wants to play ball and is willing to go to college to accomplish his dream?

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by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 21, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

  And I believe that is what is going on here. I think to often some of us (me included) forget that these are kids. They are 18 and still in school I don’t really think that his choice of school should bring into question his academics. If he would have kept his first choice would this still happen. Yes, to some degree. My guess is not at the level it is currently.

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by phatcatfan on Oct 21, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow

This may in fact be the only thing ever written in which YOU dont get the conspiracy angle…

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Oct 22, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

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