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Kentucky Basketball: Random Thoughts On The 2010-11 Wildcats

According to the media, Kentucky is picked to finish second in the East behind Florida.  Surprised?

Well, not me, not really.  Kentucky is young, after all, and right now, kind of in limbo with Enes Kanter's eligibility still being hashed out by the pointy-heads in the NCAA.  Florida is an experienced basketball team that should have solid leadership and gets an infusion of freshman talent in the front court with 6'8" Patric Young, a player who will remind some of Patrick Patterson with his inside strength and motor.  But Young looks to fill an off the bench role for the experienced Gators this year.

For the Wildcats, I really don't care what sportswriters think about them.  Their overall talent looks to me to easily match up with the Gators' experience, and although a lot depends upon how much Calipari can teach them about defending the pick and roll between now and the SEC season, I don't think Wildcat fans have any reason to believe UK won't overcome Florida.  The days of Donovan seem to be firmly in the rear-view mirror, and although he is still recruiting well and has good talent, the path to the SEC East championship still runs through Lexington.

It's not that I think that the Gators are a bad choice, mind you.  To the contrary, they are the safe choice.  You can't blame writers for going with experience over talent, not with Dukes victory in the tourney last year and the Wildcats' flame-out against West Virginia.  But the Gators over the last several years have suffered from serious chemistry issues, and I'm not going to declare those problems dead and gone until I see the Gators in some tough games with quality opponents, where they have generally folded like a house of cards over the last few years.  I guess what I'm saying is, Donovan has put himself in the position of having to prove himself all over again.  Those national championships were so three years ago.

Star-divide

Whither Tennessee?  Well, the writers picked the Volunteers to finish fourth behind, of all people, Georgia.  I think that likely reflects all the off-season trouble that Tennessee had with Bruce Pearl, but on a pure talent standpoint, I don't think I agree.  Yes, Trey Thompkins and Travis Leslie are really good, but I'm not ready to buy that they are that good.  We'll see.  I think I would have picked the Vols over Georgia just on track record alone.

In the west, it seems that Mississippi State is the favorite.  Arkansas looks like the sleeper in that division to me, assuming they can rectify the chemistry and discipline issues that have plagued them since John Pelphrey stepped on campus.  I don't really buy Ole Miss second, but to be honest, Andy Kennedy has impressed me more often than not, so maybe they are on to something.

Once again, it seems like most of the action will be in the East, at least until Dee Bost and Renardo Sidney regain eligibility.  If I remember right, I think both of them will be available for conference play, and that will make MSU very, very threatening indeed.  Renardo Sidney is a serious NBA talent, and I have to admit, part of me drools at the thought of Sidney and Kanter going after each other.  Or Trey Thomkins and Kanter.  Good stuff, I just hope it happens.

As to the "Who's better, Calipari or Pitino?" debate, I have little to say.  They are both great coaches, but they have different strengths.  Pitino, it is said, is a better bench coach, and perhaps that is so.  Calipari is unquestionably a better recruiter.  Some say Pitino develops talent better, but I am not buying that.  Pitino has had some notable successes, but Calipari did a bang-up job on getting Patrick Patterson to take his game to another level.  In the end, some will prefer one and some the other.

A Ken UPDATE: I didn't want to post this over top of Glenn's excellent article, but Coach Calipari has posted an open letter to UK fans at CoachCal.com.  If interested, go here.

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Pitino the developer of talent????

Really? I don’t buy it. The guys he put in the NBA were surefire picks anyways (with the possible exception of Mark Pope.)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 19, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

That can't be said of Cal's NBA players?

I’m not a believer in that “sure fire NBA talent” stuff. People used to say that about Dean Smith too but I didn’t buy it then either. He did a great job of developing several big men for the NBA, as did John Thompson.

If that saying applies, it is with guys like Wall, Mercer, A Walker maybe. But Delk was not sure fire NBA talent. Nor was Walter McCarty, nor was Nazr (in fact, he might be Pitino’s best evidence), nor was Scott P. Magloire? Not a sure thing. Fact is, many of Pitino’s NBA players from UK could heap a deal of praise on him.

And I do believe that Cal has made his players higher draft picks than they might have been elsewhere even if they would have been drafted no matter what.

by JackBluto on Oct 19, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nazr, Magloire, and Padgett weren't anywhere near NBA level when Pitino left

If you don’t believe me… just ask Forty. ;-)

As to the argument about Cal, I agree 100%. In fact, I would agree with the majority of players who reach the NBA are getting there on high school reputation. Hell, if Rodrick Rhodes had come out of high school in the early 2000’s instead of the early 1990’s I bet he would have been a top 5 pick!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 19, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, if Tubby gets to claim credit for them, he ...

… has to answer for Marvin Stone and Rashad Carruth. And Parker. And Allison. And Morris. (All top 30 recruits) :)

by JackBluto on Oct 19, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stone, Carruth, Parker, Allison, Morris

Carruth, Parker, Allison failed at UK for OTC activities. They failed at later stops, too. Maybe for the same reasons.

Stone didn’t do much at UK. He didn’t do all that much at Louisville, either. May he RIP.

Morris got better every year. He averaged 16 ppg and made All-SEC as junior, now plays in NBA. He would have been even better at UK as senior, had Tubby stayed.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 19, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Morris is currently out of the NBA.

by jdogblue on Oct 19, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

But he played several years in NBA.

That senior year would have really helped him.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 19, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morris sat at the end of the Knicks bench.

Then he moved down home to Atlanta and sat at the end of the Hawks bench. Not sure if he is still stting on the end of the bench or not. But he hardly ever played.

by JackBluto on Oct 20, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

According to the depth chart

on Hoopshype, Morris is not on the roster of the Hawks. They show 14 players, but not him.

by jdogblue on Oct 20, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morris

I think Morris’ main problem was consistency. He could be dominant, or he would disappear.

I always think back to the game he and Dwight Howard played against one another in high school. Morris had 26 and like 15 boards, and Howard 25 and 17 or 18 rebounds. Morris had committed to UK and I thought, oh my, he’s gonna be a good one.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 20, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

funny.

they were similar in high school, but look at Howard now, compared to Morris. Yikes, it’s staggering. Howard is at the top of his game and commands the respect of the NBA, and as for Morris, well, not so much. And, Howard didn’t even go to college. Huh. Just goes to show that sometimes college (read — college coaching) doesn’t always help a person. It all depends on the person.

by BigSkyCat on Oct 20, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Morris

was a waste. Pure disappointment.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Oct 19, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let me first say I'm not big fan of Rick Pitino as a person ... but as a coach ... he's earn some respect

He’s 12th in wins among active coaches and he has a NC ring … can’t take that from him.

From DIME magazine …. “Even when Pitino was at UK, he wasn’t knee-deep in NBA talent like Calipari. Guys like Ron Mercer and Jamal Mashburn were obviously studs coming out of high school, but Pitino also took non-All-Americans like Derek Anderson and Walter McCarty and turned them into first-round NBA picks. He took less-heralded recruits like Reece Gaines and Terrence Williams at Louisville and produced Top-15 picks. He took a full-on project in Nazr Mohammad (Pitino likes to joke that Nazr couldn’t run past halfcourt when he arrived at UK) and helped mold a solid pro.”

Here’s the link:http://dimemag.com/2010/10/whos-better-john-calipari-or-rick-pitino/

I’ve went round and round with 40 on this and finally conceded …(won’t go down that road again) …. but I always at least had the impression that he was able to develop players .. :)

by ukcris on Oct 19, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

The DIME Article Is Wrong

Walter McCarty was Parade HS A-a and Top 25 rated in HS class of 1992.

Derek Anderson was a basketball stud, pure and simple.

Reece Gaines was recruited by Denny Crum but Top 50 rated coming out of HS.

Terrence Williams was Top 25 rated HS recruit.

Nazr was indeed a major project. Pitino slimmed him up. Tubby developed his C skills.

Pitino DID develop players at UK very well. Not quite so well at Louisville.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 19, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's right about McCarty.

He was considered a stud coming out of HS, as was Anderson.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 20, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nazr, Magloire, Padgett In 1997

Nazr was a part-time starter at C. Padgett was part-time starter at F. Magloire the other part-time starter at C.

None had averaged 10 ppg. None had been All-SEC. None were NBA ready in 1997.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 19, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forty....Oct. 19 Nazr.......

That’s true, but all 3 have an NCAA Championship ring. And without all 3 of these guys, there would have been NO #7.

We're as good as the best and better than the rest.

by alwaysblue on Oct 20, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Each improved DRAMATICALLY in 1998 over 1997.

Night and day difference for those 3 in 1998-99-2000.

by FortyYearCatFan on Oct 20, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

chirop1_Oct. 19_Nazr.........

Roderick Rhodes? Really? Top 5 pick as what? Gun Boat Billy?

We're as good as the best and better than the rest.

by alwaysblue on Oct 20, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The easy argument would be

That Cal hasn’t developed players at all: he just plugs them into a pre-designed system that isn’t too terribly hard to run if you are X and Y and does little do develop talent much. Further, there’s the argument about how bad his teams have been at certain areas very often, namely 3-pointers and Free Throws.

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by bobothevol on Oct 19, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

damn it, bobo

I was just getting to like you.
Now you go and slur my coach.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Oct 19, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

bobo

I think those problem areas you speak of is the result of talent leaving early. Not necessarily cal’s fault. I’ve always believed that those skills would have been developed if some of them would stay. You really can’t teach everthing in one or two years.

!!FREE ENES!!

by phatcatfan on Oct 19, 2010 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Like I said, the "easy argument"

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

bobothevol

I didn’t say I didn’t kinda agree with you on a couple points was just giving you my opinion. Just got to defend my coach you know. Lol.

!!FREE ENES!!

by phatcatfan on Oct 20, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, totally, and I'm not disagreeing

But I’ve seen some pretty lengthy criticisms of Cal’s coaching talent from several people, especially back when he was at Memphis, that I’ve yet to see soundly rebuted. Certainly Cal has yet to — to my knowledge — take a small-time recruit and turn them into an All-American to the tune of, say, what Bruce Pearl did with Chris Lofton. A better example, while less well-known, would be to see the difference between JJ Smith and Dane Bradshaw pre-Pearl and how they ended their career. Guys like Wayne Chism also showed incredible development in their skillsets through their years in the program and, when faced head-to-head with Cal’s big men at Memphis, often just took them to school with technique.

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cal has had seveal player at Memphis go 3 or 4 years then get drafted.

Did he not develop any of those guys?

He only had 3 1’n’dones at Memphis, and that is counting Wagner whose time preceded the CBA that made 1’n’done necessary.

by JackBluto on Oct 20, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd argue that there wasn't much developement there, no.

At least, not from what I saw. Oh, there was some — people improved marginally, but not to the extent you’d expect them too. Cal’s players often got beat by players with better technique than theirs, though often raw talent was enough to overcome that. It wasn’t ever enough to win a Championship, though.

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's see how

Liggins and Miller end up before we judge Coach Cal. They are showing signs of coming along nicely. And he sure added some depth to Patterson’s game.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 20, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

bobothevol....Oct. 19......The easy........

Horse shit. They’ve got plenty of that in Tennessee.

We're as good as the best and better than the rest.

by alwaysblue on Oct 20, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doc

Look at Earl Clark at Phoenix, still playing like a “deer in the headlights”. He has no idea! I don’t buy Rick being so good at developement either!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 19, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was susposed to be under Doc's first remark?

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on Oct 19, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, the way the comments are nested it gets tricky to read when it is lengthy

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 20, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

If a comment is too long, I don't read it

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

/insert joke about Kentucky fans not reading more than a sentence.

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So I was preparing a funny retort

…and did a goole image search for a Tennessee fan…at work…and of course the first thing that pops up is a naked chick…..getting in trouble at work FTW

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 20, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tennessee Strikes Again!

… that sucks, lol.

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch!

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 20, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'll beat Florida twice.

Three times, if we have to.

...and he's met at the line by a host of blue and white jerseys!

by bob in bg on Oct 19, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

Florida is (mysteriously) not what they once were.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 19, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the curse of Disney.

He should not have breached his contract with the Magic.

by JackBluto on Oct 19, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

In so many ways I feel like we dodged a major bullet when Donovan turned us down. (TWICE!!!)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 19, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never been a Donovan fan

When he turned us down, I said a small prayer of thanks
to the Aqua Budda.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Oct 19, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW!

Didn’t expect to see an Aqua Buddha reference here!

by Acdixon on Oct 20, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Political season is in full tilt!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Oct 20, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I watched the debate they had in NKY a couple of weeks ago

I came away wishing there was a 3rd candidate…..

/end political talk

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

You never disrespect Mickey!

...and he's met at the line by a host of blue and white jerseys!

by bob in bg on Oct 19, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: bob in bg

Love the attitude, and until Donovan learns that his teams also must play D, they will struggle.

I thought he solved the “no D” problem when he hired Shyatt, but only the two title teams have embraced actually stopping the opponent.

BTW – Don’t know if you follow WKU bb like fb, but McDonald has put together one heckuva recruiting class this year. I was tickled to death to see both Fant and Zollo commit.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 19, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

They were both big fish.

Brandon Peters, too.

Should be a good year.

Pitino is bringing the Cards into Diddle (at long last),
and WKU is going to beat them like a rented mule!

...and he's met at the line by a host of blue and white jerseys!

by bob in bg on Oct 19, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deep Fried Gator sounds mighty tasty to me

I say we eat their lunch for them……

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 19, 2010 3:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Although Patric Young will someday be a beast-

I agree with Tru, and the SEC East title goes through Lexington!

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Oct 19, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

The SEC East generally goes through Lexington

But let’s also not forget that Bruce Pearl and Tennessee are the conference leaders in wins in the SEC over the time he’s been here, and has won or shared the East crown 3 of his 5 years.

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by bobothevol on Oct 19, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

UT has been formidable in basketball under Pearl.

I do wish they would make more noise in the NCAA Tourney though – for the benefit of the SEC as a whole.

As for the future, UK is trending upward over the last 5 years. :)

by JackBluto on Oct 19, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pearl is building teams that can make Tourney runs, I think.

Those types of teams are the bigger, more durable teams than what he had with Lofton and JJ Smith (two of the better guards Tennessee has ever seen). Though, granted, Tennessee has gotten some horrible draws in the tournament in recent years, and even with that was 1 defensive stop away from taking Michigan State into OT and probably beating them there for a Final Four bid last year.

And yeah, UK Trended up last year ;-) We’ll see what Pearl can do with better talent than he’s had, he’s won without the most talented group in the league already. As far as situational gameplaning goes, I think the Vols have the best staff in the SEC in that regard. Any arguments?

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by bobothevol on Oct 19, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

bobo

The real question is whether Pearl and his staff will be there for the SEC season.

by jdogblue on Oct 19, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Unless something else comes up

Which doesn’t appear to be the case, and is silly to think at this point in time, then most definitely.

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by bobothevol on Oct 19, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

the real question is should they be there?

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 19, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

bobothevol

Let’s see how the record looks after 42 years. Ho! Ho! Ho!

We're as good as the best and better than the rest.

by alwaysblue on Oct 20, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bozich On Pitino

The Tony Woods decision another in a series of Pitino missteps.

Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an
alternate to any system which men can live as human
beings." Ludwig von Mises

by Wild Weasel on Oct 19, 2010 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Been a long time

since the writers in the Ville have taken on Pitino.

by jdogblue on Oct 19, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's A Nervous Payne

Larry Vaught has a sit down with new UK assistant and UL alum Kenny Payne. Only 2 ways Payne would leave Oregon: Head coach or assistant to John Calipari. BTW, Pervis Ellison is asking for Blue gear.

Socialism is not an alternative to capitalism; it is an
alternate to any system which men can live as human
beings." Ludwig von Mises

by Wild Weasel on Oct 19, 2010 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

The knocks on Cal

have always been that he’s not a gametime coach(doesn’t make adj.) and his teaams don’t shoot the 3 or f.t. well. So far, in one yr. here, that still applies.

by bigbill992001 on Oct 20, 2010 1:12 AM EDT reply actions  

pitino is a good coach

HE also is a cheat and of poor character… was found responsible for 8 of hawaii’s 64 violations when he was there.. these included, rental cars, free mcdonald’s(very funny but very true), free bus and plane tickets and he evon did a bruce pearl and lied to the ncaa.. or pearl did a pitino.. but yet he isnt remotely slandered a cheat like calipari(its who you know) and then he has this syphilis … i mean sypher debacle..lol yea pitino in the 90’s is damn good but you couldn’t pay me to have his ass here agin

FREE ENES

by kentuckywild on Oct 20, 2010 1:52 AM EDT reply actions  

kentuckywild

I heard he’s opening up his massage parlor. LOL

We're as good as the best and better than the rest.

by alwaysblue on Oct 20, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

The criteria for judging coaches seems to be about developing NBA talent

But by today’s standards, players are making the NBA that would have never sniffed the court previously with un-developed games after one yr of college. A better yardstick seems to be games/titles won per blue-chip. With Pitino winning with role players and JC transfers, I think there is no contest between him and Calipari. The only way we win the championship with our revolving cast, is if some kind of rule extends these guys for at least another year. Last yr proved even if you have the top guys coming out of HS, it only guarantees games won, not championships. Someone mentioned that Calipari developed that cast, but Wall was throwing the Ball away on game 35 the same way he did on game 0ne for him.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Oct 20, 2010 3:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Statistics will tell you

that one sample is not enough to draw valid conclusions. Last year’s team had it’s weaknesses and they were eventually exposed. Who knows the dynamics of this year’s team yet? Pitino was here for several years and won one championship. Way too early to draw any valid conclusions.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 20, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I judge by national championships, really.

And, after that, things like wins, losses, recruiting, subjective development, etcetc. I think only an imbecile can honestly believe that someone (who isn’t their coach (because all of us think our coach is the best, unless we’re LSU or Florida football fans)) is a better coach when they have not won a national championship vs someone who has.

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of my favorite Al McGuire quotes

Paraphrasing: Not every coach who has won a national championship is a great coach, but all the great ones have won one.

Take for example Steve Fisher who won a title with Michigan (he only coached post season play), but the list of coaches better than Fisher is very, very long. Jim Harrick is another very good coach, but I can think of several coaches who haven’t won a title who are better. Nolan Richardson, ditto. Norm Sloan, ditto.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 20, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That example is a bit different

Since he wasn’t the coach of a national championship team, but a national championship run, so I’d certainly not feel bad giving him the short end of the stick.

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah!

Norm “effen” Sloan. Hadn’t thought of him in a long time.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 20, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's been a while

I never really cared for him either … don’t know why, he just rubbed by the wrong way.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 20, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I will never forget

the SEC TV announcer saying “let’s listen in on the Florida huddle”. I lost count of the F bombs dropped before they could get that mike outta there.

I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.

by kywineman on Oct 20, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It depends on what you want out of a coach.

I would rather have Dr. Tom Davis than anyone you mentioned, and he never won the NC.

"all the way"

by ro307805 on Oct 21, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 20, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

BlueO

Rec’d comment. You encapsulated exactly how I feel.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ken..

Thanks you kind sir…

by BlueOrion on Oct 20, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Much deserved rec BlueOrion

Well said. I couldn’t have said it better myself. Really…I couldn’t have.

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Oct 21, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

With all due respect

And this is a critique of what I’ve seen of UK’s fan base at large, not necessarily those here on aSoB, I personally think a major reason so many UK fans loved last years team was it was like reaching the promised land of competitive once again. I think that if, here in 3 or 4 years Calipari has not at least gone to the national title game, that there will be a large outcry for a coaching change. I mean, we’ll see, obviously, but I’ll believe the Kentucky fanbase as a whole is happy just having fun in the elite-8 when it happens over time.

Again, to be clear: I’m not saying that anyone here is that type of person, but I do think many are. Heck, it’s what’s going on all around me right now in North Carolina with the Tar Heels. I don’t think I’ve seen four UNC t-shirts since returning to school this semester.

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by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think any program that went through what we have the last couple years is going to be overly excited.

But ours is magnified by the size of the fanbase. Cal comes in here and wins 30-35 a year and doesnt win the whoe thing, then there sure are going to be questions asked. They would be asked if Adolph Rupp himself got out of the grave and came back to coach. That is the nature of Kentucky Basketball.

Sorry, but we have high standards. And NO, that is not a joke!!!….lol

For all of their blustering, UNC, UCLA, Notre Dame, Ohio State, any of the big name schools are all the same way. They just do not have the size of fanbase that we do.

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 20, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

UNC could certainly rival Kentucky's, I think. But that's a moot point, really.

But yeah, I’m not condemning Kentucky or anything, and I want to retract what I said because it made it sound more prudish, I was just saying I think most Kentucky fans — like fans at traditional powers in any sport (see also: Tennessee Football) — in the long haul expect more than just elite eight runs and a likeable group of players.

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I will give my North Carolina for Tennessee Today. Apparently.

by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is very true. But a group of kids like the one we had here last year do not come along very often.

I do not expect to see that kind of a group again for a while. Now, that NBA lockout possibility may help us there, but that group was just special. And the media criticism, as well as opposing fanbases trying to make something out of nothing just made them work that much harder. It was a blessing in disguise. Cousins making that “call me” gesture will go down in history as one of the all time great photos.

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

by Greg Alan Edwards on Oct 21, 2010 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The result.

I find it difficult to have lasting, fond memories that end in defeat.

Not every team is the unforgettables. And that hurts to this day.

by JackBluto on Oct 20, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vandy got jobbed

Aside from the hole left at point guard when Jermaine Beal graduated, I think the Dores have as much experience and talent as Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee. People forget about them because they’re Vanderbilt. They have muscle in the frontcourt in Ezeli and Tchiengang, one of the best forwards in the league in Jeffery Taylor (who is a freak athlete) and a very good, quick shooter and defender in John Jenkins at the 2. No way are they fifth in the East this year, in my opinion.

Anything but Gatorade - yet another SEC sports blog

by Anything but Gatorade on Oct 20, 2010 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

As long as Stallings is in Nashville, Vandy will probably be pretty good.

by Ken Howlett on Oct 20, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty good

but never great. I think Vandy is 4th or 5th in the East, with Georgia.

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I will give my North Carolina for Tennessee Today. Apparently.

by bobothevol on Oct 20, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Greatest....picture....ever

R. Lee Ermy is the man

Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71

by btcoop71 on Oct 20, 2010 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

That's why yellow makes me sad.

...and he's met at the line by a host of blue and white jerseys!

by bob in bg on Oct 20, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

GAE

Man, instead of trolling, just run a trot line across the river about every 20 yards for a mile. LOL

We're as good as the best and better than the rest.

by alwaysblue on Oct 20, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was good. +1

I Shall Always Be The Cat......In The Hat!!! The Artist Formerly Known As ABC!

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