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The Big Blue Daily Mail -- Back in the Saddle Edition

Even though the Kentucky Wildcats can officially enjoy the #1 ranking for only a few more hours, the manner in which the Kentucky Wildcats came back from the loss versus the South Carolina Gamecocks by beating the Vanderbilt Commodores soundly in Rupp Arena has to make all of the Big Blue Nation feel better.

We have, predictably, seen plenty of commentary on the surly nature of DeMarcus Cousins in the game, and his tendency to make dangerous-looking fouls, and yesterday to pick up a technical foul for back-talking the official.  Some are even asking if Cousins is more of a liability than an asset.

With all due respect, I think there is really no question that it's worth the trade off.  I think at some point, we just have to trust Coach Cal to convince Cousins to concentrate on basketball and avoid the silly foul, or mouthing off to whomever in such a way that it draws technical fouls.

I don't think Cousins is trying to become the college version of Rasheed Wallace.  For the most part, I think he is just young and excitable, and we have seen considerable positive development in his demeanor as well as his game.  As he continues to mature, I think we can expect fewer and fewer incidents like yesterday.

But the bottom line is, I am very glad that Big Cuz is on our team, warts and all.  The news follows the jump.

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I agree, Wall's comments to Cutler are an internal team matter. Well intended "fans" or others...

could really muck up a great season. Wall needs to mature some (wait till he gets to the NBA) but…these guys are human and do react to ugly comments by knucklehead fans and by the media who make a mountain out of a mole hill

by blue oregon on Jan 31, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

I like Cousins and Wall both but ....

somebody needs to put some defense on Devan Downey’s shot over at USC … he had another 30 point performance and a game winnning shot at Georgia …. he’s right up there with them

by ukcris on Jan 31, 2010 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Downey will win it

Jay Williams at Duke won national POY but not ACC POY in the same season, so it can happen. But if Downey averages over 25 ppg in conference, and he seems to be more at 30 ppg right now, he will win it.

by JackBluto on Feb 1, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

then

Jodie should have won it last year. Downey is good but I can think of several players who deserve it more.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate to admit anything negative about the BBN, but we really need to let Cal

handle these Freshmen and the rest of the team his way. It is ridiculous that when we were less than we should have been the last 4-5 years, we whined….and now that we are back on top of the world again, we are still whining…….let these kids play, let them speak honestly without turning it into a sound bite, and most of all let them have fun…..stupid people just chap my butt…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jan 31, 2010 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

stop whining.

I agree, and maybe more importantly, be supportive, especially when the chips are down.

I said basically this same thing after the SC loss, but I have no problem saying it yet again. It’s so easy to be a good and positive fan when your team is winning, but it’s when the team and individual players are struggling that our support and faith in them is needed the most.

Let’s not appear to be ungrateful and as wishy-washy fans who buckle at the first sign of anything less than perfection, after all, these are the boys who are providing us with great memories and providing us with the hobby that is UK basketball that we all love so much. Without these players, the coach and the team, we would all be bored as hell. Be nice, and don’t write it if you wouldn’t have the guts to say it to someone’s face.

by BigSkyCat on Jan 31, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If people

followed your last line of advice, the internet would lose 90% of its traffic.

by kywineman on Jan 31, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

right, wineman.

The anonimity of the internet makes tough guys of a lot of people doesn’t it? The old Teddy Roosevelt quote about the man in the arena comes to mind, but he’s another “old dead guy” as you said a while back. :-]

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Jan 31, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The Arena speech is my favorite speech.

Fans get unrealistic and forget the bad times very quickly. Perfect example was the Tony Dungy firing at Tampa. He took a team that couldn’t win at all and made them a perennial winner. They ran him out of town and though the Buc’s won a Super Bowl, they sold their sole at the same time. The gators are another example. Their fans couldn’t even get excited about their bowl game this year because it wasn’t for the National Championship. It’s just a shame that they can’t enjoy the ride. Yes it is like a roller coaster, but that anticipation going up that hill, not knowing what is over it, is exciting as well.

by Grasslands1 on Jan 31, 2010 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you, Grasslands. That sense of being involved, of seeing how you react to the pressure,

is why I still compete in golf tournaments even though at my age and ability level, I have no chance of winning. There is nothing I’ve experienced, other than flying fighters, that compares with facing a five-foot putt for par when you’re not playing well.

When I was younger, all too often, I didn’t give it all. I was too afraid of failure, especially in basketball, and that’s why I try not to criticize these kids’ effort levels. They’re talented far beyond what I was, and far beyond what virtually all of the fans are, so to criticize them is to go somewhere you shouldd and could never go. And don’t get me started on the blogsters/Facebook members who pick on PPat.

I may talk about Dodson drifting on his jumpers, or Demarcus moving the ball sideways prior to his free throws; those are observable technique issues, but I try very hard not to get down on them. Like right now, how can any of us know how it feels to be John Wall, to be touted as the universally acclaimed #1 draft choice, only to see your own teammate pressing you for the honor?

The only thing we can do is, as you said, enjoy the ride. Ain’t it a great one?? Go Cats!

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Jan 31, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, Forty.

Bucs won it in ‘03 with Gruden. That was Grasslands’ point-they fired a successful coach and “sold their soul” to win the Super Bowl, then fired him a few seasons later.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Jan 31, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

I learned last year into this year with my TItans……..Enjoy the present. Also any fan who cannot appreciate things like you speak of, is a fan for one reason……self pride.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

The

worst part is we have one freakin loss. ONE FREAKIN LOSS! As of tuesday we had almost matched the wins last year. We want to complain? Just wrong. I knew SC could be a loss. Any game can be. Like I said pregame……..Its all good. This season has been beyond my expectations and I truly believe that this will be one of the most special teams that we will ever have in BBN.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I am hearing Aerosmith music to compliment the news links

Encore has to be…. I Don’t Want to Miss a Thing .
I like the song reference Tru. :-)

Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!

by a2d2 on Jan 31, 2010 8:16 PM EST reply actions  

Big Cuz

is more important than Wall.Cal has put UK back on the map.Ten loss seasons under an underachiever are over.

by -Zoso- on Jan 31, 2010 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

Was this somehow predictable??

We have a team full of potential and future NBAers … Look for Cal to provide the grease for the skids as necessary …. like he’s working with Patterson now – he’ll give Wall what he needs as well – - I think Cal has a plan for this team (Coach of the Year IMO) … he’s bringing them along his way and finding chemistry and trying different combinations – I have confidence that Cal will have us where we want to be at tournament time.

by ukcris on Jan 31, 2010 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost too much to watch NC..

have their lunch taken from them by Virginia. This team has fallen apart more than any other team in the country. Can you say lack of confidence?

by UK1972 on Jan 31, 2010 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

UNC, Louisville, UConn Are 13-8 Now

Roy Williams, Rick Pitino, Jim Calhoun all having subpar years.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jan 31, 2010 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It all started

when Roy threw out that Presbyterian fan.

by kywineman on Jan 31, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Karma

Can’t go messin’ with the Lord’s people, Roy. ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 31, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The Presbyterian Fan

If “Ole Roy’s” problems began when he threw out the Presbyterian fan, would you not concede that, since it was a ‘Presbyterian’ fan, that “Ole Roy” was ‘predestined’ to take those actions and as such was just part of God’s plan to put the Big Blue (God’s Team) back in the national forefront….sorry just a little “Calvinistic theology” to get our Big Blue blood pumping….

by cpacat on Feb 1, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok

now that was funny!!!!!!!!!!!!

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Must have been the "Old Regular Baptist" theology then

Where a certain amount of suffering just shows your devotion.

"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO

by ro307805 on Feb 2, 2010 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Further Fathoming

It would be amiable i suppose if I could just accept Coach’s admonition to only spectate and be entertained by this altogether pleasurable and rewarding season rather than distinguishing subtleties in the team’s performance. Alas that is, one, not my nature, and, two, not as rewarding or as educating. That’s why, when time and location allows, I review each game one or two times. After the third viewing today there are some aspects of the team and individuals that are worth noting:

1) Vandy is statistically a good rebounding team and to dominate them 41-22 and a beastly (pun intended) 18-3 offensively is remarkable and speaks to focus and an understanding of failure at Columbia. Perhaps best position rebounding of the year.

2) Allowing only 15 3-point attempts, nearly every one contested, is a testament to defensive attention and purpose. That Vandy played from behind makes that even more noteworthy. NOTE: Only 6 3-FGA in second half and only one made.

3) UK’s bench play — 86 minutes, 43% — while not outstanding was more than satisfactory especially in maintaining lead at end of first half. Considering the importance of the game it is heartening.

4) Wall and Bledsoe have it seems to me bought into the attention and commotion as it relates to their speed and quickness. Both need to heed the adage: play fast but don’t hurry. After watching the NBA yesterday and today it is interesting that pro PG’s are fast but hardly ever seem to hurry. Such freshman haste is a leading cause of turnovers.

5) A team weakness — recognized going in and not likely to change — is a lack of a slasher on the wing, or at the 3/SF. Miller doesn’t appear to have quickness or demeanor, Dodson is more comfortable on perimeter, Liggins would seem to be best opportunity.

6) It seems rather obvious that SEC coaches have made effective adjustments to defending the DDMO, as everyone knew they would. There just aren’t many gaps (zone principles) in which to drive the ball and to this point UK isn’t consistently adept enough at passing to take advantage of the gap help. Couple this with some personnel limitations and the DDMO may turn out to be the secondary offense.

7) Like many of you I watch many, many college games (even watched a bit of Pacific vs UCR, is that not an addict?) and at this point DeMarcus Cousins is the most accomplished 5 I’ve seen. Barring injury or some other negatory event he will be the best 5 in the NBA this decade.

8) My third viewing was focused almost entirely on Patrick Patterson with the intent of trying to understand his decline in productivity. My conclusions are: after spending all of his formative years with his back to the basket and on or near the box he is just not comfortable as required by DDMO; comparing his movement this year to video from last year there seems to be a recession in quickness, perhaps from muscling up or maybe just a mental delay from the new position/demands; that difficulty in mentally adjusting to virtually a new game could explain his free throw difficulties. Whatever the causes the Patrick Patterson we see today is not the same one we so appreciated the previous two years — not to say he’s appreciated less. Perchance he should heed the advice of Bruce Lee:

"If you spend too much time thinking about a thing, you’ll never get it done."

Perchance I should just enjoy 20-1. Ah, but I am. Bring on the Rebs.

An aside: Having two sons and a wife who are KU alums I had to root for Jayhawks, but I was convicted.

"The principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson

by Wild Weasel on Jan 31, 2010 9:35 PM EST reply actions  

Why is Liggins not starting?

I really don’t understand why our starting five doesn’t include Liggins over Miller. Swapping Dodson for Bledsoe occasionally isn’t a bad thing but for the most part I think Liggins has earned his spot as a starter again. I also can’t wait to see the potential team of Liggins as a Junior with Bledsoe as a Sophmore leading whatever recruits we get next year. I just doubt either will take the jump to the NBA this year, though Bledsoe might I am thinking he probably won’t.

"Come test me every day if you want," says Pujols, "Everything I ever made in this game I would give back to the Cardinals if I got caught."

by StLHugo on Jan 31, 2010 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

Miller

I really think Miller should be out of the starting line up – and not just for his lack of presence. IMO Miller’s problem seems to be a lack of confidence. Maybe having him come off the bench could take some of the pressure of being “a starter” off – at least until his confidence builds. Let him earn his starting spot back.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jan 31, 2010 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Well, the coach doesn't agree with your assessment of Miller

and I for one won’t question anything he does when he has a team 20-1. Just saying…

by UK1972 on Feb 1, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

He doesnt have to agree.

Thats what makes it MY opinion. Thanks.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 1, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Quit whining (v 2.0)

Let me stipulate that those who visit facebook to post negative statements about a basketball player need to get a life. Let me further stipulate that the guys need and deserve our support, win or lose. But. . .

The players need to develop a thicker skin and man up. If you’re famous, people will take shots at you. If you put yourself on the line to be judged 40 times a season, you will fail sometimes. If you take the props and adulation when you’re on the cover of SI, you should expect to be judged on a different level. I’m getting a little tired of hearing all the players complain about “the haters.”

Yes, they are young, and perhaps this is the scarring needed to develop a thick skin, but – get over it and play some ball!

It's time. . .

by NYCCats on Feb 1, 2010 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

actually Patterson handled it pretty well if you ask me......

simply sending a text message back to all of those people, is communicating with them in their preferred format….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 1, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

That’s cool,

and yes, I can understand all that to a point. And who knows, maybe two or three years down the road the fanatical UK fans and their expectations will be seen by the athletes as being a help rather than a hindrance as it may, as you say, help them develop "thicker skin". And furthermore, it’s possible that the fans’ sometimes lunacy won’t be seen as a big deal in a few years, because by that time all the players will have moved into the real world where life is quite a bit different for a person than for one who is simply an idolized college athlete standout. But, (and here comes my, but : )…..

I just think that most of the harsh, harsh criticism (noticed I used harsh there : )) and personal attacks should be saved for the pros. If people want to hate on the likes of DeMarcus, Wall or Patterson (the likes of Harris, Stevenson, Miller, etc, are a different story), well, why don’t they just write all the vitriol down, save it, and then next year, after those three have left the confines of the University of Kentucky they can become a fan of the team that drafts each of them and let it all out then as they will all be paid professionals at that point.

Until that time, they are just unpaid, 19-20 year old kids who are playing for our pleasure and entertainment. That’s what it is after all, its entertainment, not life or death (shocking for some to hear that, I know : )).

by BigSkyCat on Feb 1, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

neither

harris, stevenson, miller deserved to be hated on either………I am thankful for them. They have been through alot.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

you misunderstood.

Those three just didn’t fit into that “save it for the pros” category that I was using as they will most likely not being going pro, and that is why I singled them out here.

And if anything, I would say that Harris, Stevenson, Miller, etc., deserve the harsh college criticism even less than those who are NBA-bound because they really are playing for our entertainment, are truly playing their hearts out and are using UK to pay their way through college so they can get a degree and use said degree to make a living.

by BigSkyCat on Feb 1, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

this

said from someone who comes from a very negative area. The sportswriters up your way are brutal……….you are right they do need to toughen up but all the griping after one loss is just really off base.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Cousins' Reputation

I know this was covered at length in the postmortem comments, but this does add something to the discussion. Here is the only comment from Vandy’s postgame SB Nation blog entry:

“Unfortunately, I will not be in Nashville for the rematch. Still, I hope those in attendance – especially those in the first row behind the visitors – know that they have an important mission: Get Cousins tossed.

Seriously, the odds that this guy would go after a fan are somewhere between 100-100%. The only reason it has not happened already is that fans are rightly terrified of him. It’s time to step up. We have now seen that neither his coach or teammates can contain his inner thug. It is your mission to get him to unleash the thug."

by bob in bg on Feb 1, 2010 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Go after a fan????

That is just ridiculous. Those are the types of statements that have me so bent – the ones that portray Cousins as some sort of mentally derranged psychopath. “Odds of going after a fan are somewhere between 100-100%” – Seriously??? That is BEYOND ridiculous.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 1, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think he would go after a fan.

With that said, let’s take the rhetoric down a notch. A gentle reproof will serve just as well as a stern one.

It isn’t inherently ridiculous, although like you, I don’t believe he would do that. He hasn’t shown any “mad dog” tendencies.

I understand Cousins took a hard shot to the chops on Saturday and didn’t react at all. For the most part, I think he’s just a bit excitable and, when you are his size, you tend to be pretty physical when you are excited. It’s just human nature. But going after a fan? Not bloody likely.

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by Glenn Logan on Feb 1, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen.....

Folks this is not going to be the end all to end all for us this season……so many people are making so much more out of this than it is…..give it a few weeks….will all fade….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 1, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I

am not concerned with our fanbase to be honest…….we just need to talk about something right now….our Cats are doing se well that we just need something to talk about and that happends to be Cousins :). On the other hand like I said below, I am getting concerned about what others will try to do to get him riled. The Vandy players were trying to rile him up, he is getting beat up n the paint. Fans will now try to start riling him up……….he is only human. Its not right to do this to him and its starting to make me mad.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

that

is crazy…….cousins may argue and fuss about something(and by the way this is what I meant by losing it) that will eventually get him tossed by a ref……..HE WOULD NEVER EVER go after a fan. He doesn’t have that bully attitude..I relaly am tired of him being portrayed as one. Oldcat was just saying that his verbal temper is going to get him into trouble and I agree with that……….but what this guy is talking about is beyond what any of us have said.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

It isnt inherently ridiculous

to say that the chances that he WILL go after a fan are between 100-100%?

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Feb 1, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

just another idiot with a mouthpiece

or keyboard in this case? Stuff like that is best to just chalk it up to idiocy and go on your merry way =) The one constant thing in life is that people are stupid, and will say stupid shit.

by uk1982 on Feb 1, 2010 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

the portrayal of Cousins is troubling. Those of us who watch him game after a game know if fact this is silly. What concerns me is that outside of Cat land……..what people will put Cousins through in order to try to get him in trouble.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

I’m afraid they sense this as a weakness in our team and intend to exploit. it.

by bob in bg on Feb 1, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

hehehe....let them try.....I am not at all sure this isnt playing right into some grand

scheme Calipari has concocted to keep these guys focused on each other and nothing else…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Feb 1, 2010 2:37 PM EST up reply actions  

That is the smart way to handle it

And Coach Calipari seems to be no one’s fool. AS far as Vandy fans provoking Big Cuz, I will not at all be suprised if some nut throws something, or something of that nature to try and get him thrown out a la Detroit/Indy NBA a few years ago.

"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO

by ro307805 on Feb 1, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Trust me.

The portrayals are worse than you imagine, and in places that would trouble you even more if you knew about them.

But that stuff is out of our control. Why worry about what we cannot affect in the slightest? :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Feb 1, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

 it will just push us further to protect him…….at least for me it would be.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, yeah ...

… I guess that’s probably ridiculous, but I think his larger point was that it could happen, and yes, it’s possible that it could.

Although I think fans baiting players like that ought to be tossed, and deal with the first amendment ramifications if they ever come up.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Feb 1, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't yell fire in a crowded room,

I’m not sure the 1st protects incendiary speech of any kind where it could lead to bodily harm. This type of behavior could be seen as inciting a riot.

by kywineman on Feb 1, 2010 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

First

Amendment rules go out the window in private property such as a stadium.

by tenken on Feb 1, 2010 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No ...

… I used to think that, too, but I was wrong about that.

Most of the campus arenas aren’t private property, they are owned by universities who are partially funded by federal and state governments, which creates the nexus required to make them covered by the first amendment.

There is even some case law that supports the claim that private arenas, stadiums and ball parks are “public places,” and therefore the first amendment applies there just as it does at a university-owned arena. The Supreme Court has yet to weigh in on that, I think, but there is really little reason to believe they wouldn’t agree.

But of course, there is the “fighting words” exception, which includes "those personally abusive epithets which, when addressed to the ordinary citizen, are, as a matter of common knowledge, inherently likely to provoke violent reaction,’’ and that is what I think the Vandy fan was trying to incite. But then, in a Vandy arena, the management is likely to err on the side of the crowd. :-)

It is a sad story that fans would do that. I thought the West Virgina fans chanting “Sypher” at Rick Pitino the other night were way out of line.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Feb 2, 2010 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I posted on "the Smoking Musket" about that

You ought to have saw these guys during the Marshall/WVU game. I have never saw such hatred in my life, and I was in the Balkans in the 90’s several times, for comparison. Their whole program must be insecure,If you have to bash a second tier program, where is your own program at? WVU should regard Marshall as a little brother that gets a hand out from big brother by scheduling them as a cupcake. See UK vs. Morehead, EKU , Murray St., WKU, etc. No one at UK is downgrading those schools because we are an SEC program and will never stoop to the level of acknowledging them on our own level.

"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO

by ro307805 on Feb 2, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

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