UK players regularly tip the ball to the ref after made baskets. Delay of game?
by chirop1 on Jan 14, 2010 5:38 PM EST
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I never noticed this until recently, but a rational KU fan that I interact with on another board pointed it out to me. Watch after a made baskets, UK players are tipping the ball over to the ref or into the cheerleaders instead of leaving it for the opposing team. After he pointed this out to me, I started noticing it myself and Patterson particularly seems to do it a lot. The KU fan said he saw Memphis do it quite often as well and said he thinks its something Calipari teaches them to do. Obvioiusly the advantage to UK would be that the other team can't inbound the ball immediately and it allows UK to set up their defense better.
His argument was that this should be a warning on the first offense and then a technical foul on subsequent offenses for Delay of Game. I've just now started noticing it (Patterson did it after almost every basket against Florida) and I don't know if this is explicity against the rules, or if it is just a "loophole" that the team can exploit.
Anyone else know anything about this?
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Sssshhhhhhhhhhhh...LOL
Don’t tell. I think it’s a loophole. But I am a UK fan. :-)
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by a2d2 on Jan 14, 2010 6:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Keep Doing It
Until an official stops it — that’s my recommendation. Oh, and one more thing, look for a Pat Forde article coming soon on how this is another gray area inhabited by Calipari.
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I am pretty sure...
that PPat did that almost all the time last year as well. Anyone have any games DVRed?
This happens all the time and has for quite some time
If you watch, teams will do this all the time – it’s the safe play since any other action other than simply not touching the ball could potentially be construed as delay of game. You see it often when a player goes up for a possible offensive rebound while a shot is going in and grabs it after it has come through the hoop as part of his motion.
Watch any college basketball game and you’ll see both teams do it at least a half dozen times each. Nothing to see here.
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
On the same note....
have you ever noticed when PPat inbounds the ball after an opponent make he comes about 1 inch from a violation EVERY time. He is sooooo close to stepping in before he inbounds.
What's the difference between a DYNASTY and a WANNABE? 75 Miles and 5 TITLES!!!! C...A...T...S...
I noticed that as well
He kind of starts putting one foot inbounds and before it hits the floor he passes it.
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by The White Mandingo on Jan 15, 2010 4:22 AM EST up reply actions
This is something else I notice many teams do
Mostly they are running teams and thus the person inbounding the ball is trying to do so as quickly as possible and usually doesn’t quite get all the way over the line.
I think for the most part the refs are willing to let it go so long as the other team is not trying to defend the inbounds or pick up full court pressure. In that instance it would create an advantage and have to be whistled, but if there aren’t any defenders in the back court then why bother?
3 > 2, except for very large values of 2.
I think I've seen this a lot ...
… and not just from Kentucky.
I really don’t know if giving the ball to an official is “interfering with the ball after a score” as defined in the rules. Tipping it over to a corner, or to a place where the opposing team has to delay inbounding to get it.
But I could be wrong. The best thing to do is just leave the ball where it sits. That is usually delay enough.
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The standard is whether or not it actually delays the game
I have rarely saw it called, but the other team has the right to inbound the ball at their own discretion off of a made basket; this allows for a “snowbird” if the other team is napping. If an action is seen as intentionally preventing that ,then they can call it..otherwise the ref might give a warning..a lot is said on the court that the average person never picks up on, you would be amazed.
"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO
Interesting
Its not something I’ve ever noticed before until it was pointed out to me.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
It's the safest play
99% of sports have to do with reaction and habit. If you teach a player that every time they end up with the ball after a basket, they need to give the ball to the ref, it eliminates the risk that your player might pick the ball up after a basket and do the wrong thing. You don’t want them to give the other team an advantage, so you train them to do the neutral thing by giving the ball to the ref after every single basket where they end up with the ball. It’s the most rational thing to do. You can see this all over the place and certainly not just with UK.
Some coaches actually coach the kids to do it at the lower levels......
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I can't believe it...
You know a rational KU fan?!?! Ha. I live in Kansas City so I’m just venting here cause I have to see freakin’ jayhawks everwhere.
I cried myself to sleep (literally), pounding my pillow the night Laettner made me hate Duke. I would still love to punch Laettner in the face!
I think this guy lives in Denver though
Ha!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
UK Players tripping the ball
You may be right, I am sure if that is a delay but I did notice some of the Florida players tipping the ball towards the Kentucky basket after a made basket and that would definitely be a delay, but wasn’t called.
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