The Buzz vs. Reality: How Good Will Kentucky Basketball Be?
by Truzenzuzex on Sep 4, 2009 9:10 AM EDT
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With football looming so close, why, you ask, am I talking basketball? Because I must.
The other day, we had a FanPost that descended somewhat into the expectations game. How good can a team, a team for which at least three and likely four of its starters and and a total of five new players who have never played one minute of college basketball, but will be logging major minutes next year, possibly be? Fortunately, fairly recent history provides us with some suggestions.
The last time there was a recruiting class in college basketball of the magnitude of Kentucky's 2009 class, it was known as the "Fab Five," and they played for Steve Fisher at Michigan. Michigan successfully recruited Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, Juwan Howard, Jimmy King, Ray Jackson in 1991. The rankings of this team were as follows: Chris Webber #1, Juwan Howard #3, Jalen Rose #6, Jimmy King #9, and Ray Jackson #84. This is obviously slightly higher than Kentucky's recruiting class, which goes like this: John Wall #1, DeMarcus Cousins #2, Daniel Orton #22, Eric Bledsoe #23, Jon Hood #40, but it is still roughly comparable.
So just how good were the Fab Five back in 1991-92. Well, they reached the Final Four, and played in the national final against Duke, who wound up winning 71-51. Michigan did not get there by an easy path, either -- they were a six seed, and they beat the #11, 14, 2 and 1 seed in the southeast region to get there.
The Fab Five did not set the the Big 10 on fire in 1991-92. Their record stood at 21-14, with nine conference victories against nine losses. But as you might expect, that Wolverines team got better and better as the year went along, and they peaked at the right time.
The difference between the 1991-92 Michigan team and the 2009-10 Wildcats is quality depth. Michigan had very little to go with the Fab Five. Kentucky is sporting a roster of high school stars that breaks down like this:
Rivals.com 5- star players -- 5 -- John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins Eric Bledsoe, Daniel Orton, Patrick Patterson
Rivals.com 4- star players -- 5 -- Darius Miller, DeAndre Liggins, Perry Stevenson, Darnell Dodson, Jon Hood
Rivals.com 3- star players -- 2 -- Ramon Harris, Josh Harrellson
Unranked -- 1 -- Mark Krebs
Michigan's team had nothing like this kind of talent available to them, and yet they still managed to earn a Final Four in both 1992 and 1993.
Of course, the Fab Five wound up embroiled in a huge scandal that saw several of them testify before a federal grand jury of one Ed Martin on charges of money laundering, gambling, and other sins. You can read all about that here.
But this article is not about comparing the two squads, but trying to get a read on the likely performance of Kentucky from a roughly similar situation some years back, and figuring out what reasonable expectations for the 2009-10 program look like.
I think it is reasonable to expect this team, barring injury, to win between 28-30 ball games. There are 33 regular season and one guaranteed SEC tournament game on the schedule. You can figure that out of UConn, North Carolina and Louisville, there is likely at least one loss in there.
Looking further down the schedule, we could reasonably expect up to five losses in the conference schedule -- at Tennessee, at South Carolina, at Mississippi State, at Florida, and at least one other, possibly at Vandy or LSU, or a home loss to somebody.
If all this comes to pass, UK should be 27-6 going into the tournament. Assuming UK wins at least one of those games, that will place them at 28-7 going into the NCAA. Barring a first round upset, UK should be no worse than 29-8, and should wind up much better than that, assuming they win more than just one game in the NCAA and SEC tournament. My expectations are for no less than 33+ wins and single-digit losses. Barring major injury, I will be disappointed, at least somewhat, if that does not wind up the case. The level of disappointment will obviously depend on the level of adversity that the team faces.
So if someone tells you that they will be satisfied with 25 wins this season, they are kidding themselves -- they won't and shouldn't. This team should win at least 25 regular season games. How far they go from there will depend on the chemistry and teamwork they are able to create over that season.
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As long as we enter the SEC tourney at 7 losses or less, I'll be happy
I’m tired of 10 loss seasons.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 4, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots Of Them Over The Past 40+ Years
1967-74-76-79-85-87-89-90-2000-01-02-03-06-07-08-09. That’s 16 over 43 seasons – almost 40% of them.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 4, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drives home the point of how spoiled we became
in the late 90’s with 3 straight runs to the final game.
have to admit i like being spoiled!
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Sep 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore from 90 earlier...
04 and 05 were the only two years this decade with less than 10 losses. Blech.
We need to do better than that.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 4, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see Hoze has voted
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Sep 4, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No you didn't. I chose 25-27 just now.
Also, that Michigan team ran into NCAA trouble later on that involved someone outside of the basketball program. Hmmmmmm…..ain’t irony great?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Sep 4, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will warn you ...
… not to take shots like that. We all know about the Michigan difficulties, and there is no irony here. The next comment you make along those lines will be deleted.
I thought we talked about deliberately provocative commentary with no redeeming value other than to anger others.
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 4, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez...didn't realize you were such a defender of Michigan's program.
Besides, you were the one that brought up the comparison., not I.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Sep 4, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The comparison between the players ...
… not the federal and NCAA investigations later.
If you want to compare the players, that’s what I intended. I am not a defender of anyone, but I also am very tired of incendiary implications.
Let’s keep it on the topic, which is the Fab Five vs. UK’s team as far as likelihood of success goes.
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 4, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh....and your welcomed for 'giving' you the idea for the topic at hand. :-)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Sep 4, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 vote less than 20
And no votes for all of them. Doesn’t that prove that we are “semi-totally” realistic? LOL According to some, there would be a lot of all of them votes.
:-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Sep 4, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are now 2 votes for "all of them"
Heh.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 4, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe a home loss to somebody?
I hope not …. It is time that we make Rupp the place to win them all. Yes, I mean all home games. This is where we come in, UK fans. I know that the bench has a lot of depth, which is so wonderful, but we can contribute where the team cannot. We all know the passion of the crowd helps win games too. After all, we are the Big Blue Nation. Go Cats ! !
:-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Sep 4, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Think you hit a nerve there ...
We should NOT … I repeat NOT … lose at home period. I so hated to see our awesome home record tarnished by losing home games to teams that weren’t even competetive – (Georgia last year comes to mind) … We need that OUR HOUSE mentality that we used to have …. We’ve always had the best fans – the best “sixth man” in college basketball …
by ukcris on Sep 4, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I knew Michigan got beat in that final, but I had no idea they only scored 21 points! ;-)
Agree that a 10 loss season would be a (relative) disaster, so I’m voting for 30.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
by NYCCats on Sep 4, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Please excuse the typo.
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 4, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chemistry and teamwork are the main issues. Cross training makes for a better team.
If the DDMO is able to be used with this team, IMO we will be better. This offense fosters teamwork. If we use both Eric “Cobra” Bledsoe and John “Playmaker” Wall in the 1 and 2 spots, the question is begged, do we want to invest 40% of our team in pass first players? Again, how well they play together and the rest of the team will dictate if others are used in the #2 position. IMO Eric and John will lock down those positions if they score, defend well, don’t turn the ball over and hand out a lot of assists.
Who are the other options at the #2? DeAndre “Spiderman” Liggins has experience, size and quickness, but IMO needs to build up his confidence. Last year was devastating for this kid. Darnell “Dagger” Dotson comes in with a reputation as an excellent outside shot. He also has size, quickness and strength, but is an unknown. If he is really good, he could force a change in the two PG system. Darius “Silk” Miller has a chance to play the #2, but he will have to show that he can stay with the smaller, quicker guards. All of these three players will have to be able to defend, rebound shoot a high FT % and finish the assists that are given them to get the job at # 2. I see Jon “Van Helsing” Hood and Mark “The 13th Warrior” Krebs as substitutes for both the # 2 and # 3 positions, but these guys are such good shooters that they could move up to major playing time depending on the situation.
Miller looks to me to be a lock at # 3 with a strong challenge coming from Dotson, Liggins and even Ramon “Ninja” Harris. This wing needs a good ball handler who can shoot, hit their FTs and rebound. They need to defend. Thinking out side of the box, Patterson could be forced to play this position if Cousins and Orton show they can both play PF and C. The # 3 position is a key position to the success of the entire team. We have to have a scorer here.
Patrick “Iron Man” Patterson seems to have this position locked down, although even by college standards, he isn’t very big. However, he is so efficient, such a good defender and so quick and strong, that I expect him to average in the twenties wherever he plays. I remember how Georgia manhandled Pat last year. This year he is stronger and has major help in the frontcourt. I see both Perry “The Shadow” Stevenson and Josh “Jorts” Harrellson being the backup for this position.
Demarcus “The Beast” Cousins IMO needs to play major minutes in order be ready for March. His enforcer-like attitude is needed. I also feel that Daniel “The Galdiator” Orton will be an excellent backup. Something we have not had in recent years. Don’t be surprised to see either Cousins or Orton playing together at times.
Given good chemistry and a team-first attitude I see 30+ wins by the end of the season. This is not a year for “gunners”. We need to play team ball.
by Blueobsessed on Sep 4, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Less than 20? Really?
I question the sanity of anyone who thinks they’ll win less than 20 games.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Sep 4, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even Billy G could win 20 games with this team
I think…
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 4, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
About the sanity part. In our (UK fans, that is) defense, I’m pretty sure that any ol’ passer-by can vote in the polls, you don’t necessarily have to be a member of that particular blog to vote. So, the “less than 20” vote(s) could have come from a fan of any school and didn’t necessarily come from a UK fan. Now, are there some insane among us UK fans? Well, I’m sure there are, but most of them do not hang out here. : )
by BigSkyCat on Sep 4, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Yeah, there are a few, how do they say it these days … Haytaz out there. ;-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 4, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I’m a “hata” not in the sense of disliking you fine folks, but in the sense of being a fan of a bitter rival, and c’mon, if they win less than twenty games Calipari should be fired on the spot. Anyone who votes “less than twenty” is just trying to made you guys angry.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Sep 5, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 people think we'll win all of them?
I’m cautiously optimistic (which means, I’m a coward), so I’m guessing we’ll win between 25-27 games, hoping I’ll be pleasantly surprised when we win 28+.
I’m still looking at that UNC/UConn back-to-back match-up and thinking that we won’t come out of that one unscathed. It’ll be early in the year and it might be too much to ask that all this new talent meshes with the old talent under a new coach so quickly. So a couple unexpected SEC losses coupled with a loss coming out of one of those two matches is a likely scenario.
Also, everyone make sure to watch the first UK football game this Saturday VS Miami of OH at noon on ESPNU. Go Cats.
by BlowOutYourBlood on Sep 4, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is a great read to accompany the photo shoot
It comes from Matt Jones at KSR… This is going to be good.
It details a little more in-depth, the personalities to go with the pics.
Wildcat basketball is going to be fun again.
:-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Sep 4, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess they were told to look tough but
John Wall decided he couldn’t do it anymore….lol…
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Sep 4, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great photo
team chemistry is going to be the key to them winning 95% of their games. chemistry will allow them to play off of each others strengths and diminish their inexperience.
It’s going to be a fun season FINALLY!!!!!! I am so happy that football has arrived and basketball is right around the corner!!!!!!!!!
GO BIG BLUE!!!!!
I LOVE COOKING WITH WINE
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
by bluecrip on Sep 4, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is freaking hilarious
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=27310
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Sep 4, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, coop.....
this is basketball, that link (though good) is football. Just so it doesn’t get lost in the shuffle…….Fanshots are your friend. : )
by BigSkyCat on Sep 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well, thems the breaks
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Sep 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I guess them are the breaks.
Look, I totally did not intend to sound like uptight snooty bitch with my comment, I just thought that if someone was in pursuit of some football knowledge and info, they might not even click on this basketball post and the football-related link that you wanted to share would be lost.
If ya’ll want to talk about football — great! I’m just not really sure why you want to do it here, in a basketball thread, but whatever.
by BigSkyCat on Sep 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't take it that way
I was just joking with the “thems the breaks”
I should have put a smiley in there…..
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Sep 4, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks coop....a football link
1 (yes 1) day till kick-off
by hoboat33 on Sep 4, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is the best KYE segment I've ever read on KSR
The Big Ben Joke was borderline maybe……the rest was gold.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Sep 4, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted we would win them all...
Not that I expect them too, but we could… and if we did it would be freaking awesome!
by scfcats on Sep 4, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It could happen
I wouldn’t bet the farm on it, but it could.
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 4, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 days i published a fanpost asking how many wins the football team would get
and it go 45 votes – 5 hours later a post asking how many games the basketball team will win gets well over 300 votes – and this all BEFORE football season starts…
in reference to BigSkyCat’s comment to coop – even in the fanpost/fanshot football still gets lost in the shuffle!!
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Sep 4, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Well, that should surprise … well, nobody, really. :-)
We are the black sheep of the SEC.
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 4, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know -
best post on the KSR blog in response to the write up on the freshmen bballers was somewhere along the lines of “I just got comfortable with the fact that its football season and then along comes an article like this and i wish i could just sleep until the first bball game.”
wall and cousins being great is a given. but i am most excited about seeing bledsoe and orton. i halfway expected orton to bid his time a bit until cousins was gone but having spent the summer with PP in CA, he will not be denied.
and then there is the comment about dodson hitting 6 straight 3 pointers – 3 with his right hand and 3 with his left hand -
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Sep 4, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I"ll be there tomorrow
And I’m getting pumped……
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Sep 4, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Voted 25-27 In Regular Season
Then 3 in SECT and 3 or 4 in NCAA.
Total 30+ W in 2010 season.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 4, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2010 W/L record
Just making my first post (test)…
After the last few years, I just want to be competetive..win the ones we are supposed to win and be in the game on all the rest…is it too much to expect 25-30 wins..heck no..what kind of fan would be pessimistic at this point??
by BlueOrion on Sep 4, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Post Rupp Era
UK averages ~24.5 W per seaon (1973 through 2009).
23 W (avg) by Hall. 22 W by Sutton. 27 W by Pitino. 26 W by Tubby. 20 W by Gillispie.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 4, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some good stats to have at hand next time I drink with someone who says, “You UK fans are spoiled. Gillespie gave you winning seasons and you fired him after 2 years because you wanted a bigger name in a coach.” And, yes, I’ve heard this argument before. My response is generally something along the lines of, “We don’t just try to hire big names, we hire people we think can get us another national championship. We don’t have to hire big name coaches to get notice for our program, our program makes coaches into big names.” Arrogant, but true.
by BlowOutYourBlood on Sep 4, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heard this in memphis yesterday
one of my buddies from ole miss was saying they might move the ole miss game from oxford to fedex forum in memphis (where the grizzlies and university of memphis play).
not sure if the person who told me was pulling my leg or not, but that would make for an interesting homecoming.
my gut is the crowd would be largely UK…if it indeed happened.
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Sep 4, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After Tubbys last couple years and the Billy G fiasco...
I will be happy winning the SEC and making the Sweet Sixteen. It seems I may be setting my sights low compared to others but these last few years were just plain depressing. I really want to spank Vandy in both games. IMO, we should never lose to them.
by UKTimmy on Sep 4, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UK Has 30 W Talent In 2010
The best talent level since 2002 team, maybe since 1996 team.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 6, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fab 5 ....
Juwan Howard was the number 1 player, but I’d take Wall over him every time. I think Cousins is better than now than Webber was at the time … Jackson, King, Rose were all shooting Guard/small Forward type players – but, Bledsoe is no slouch and I am expecting big things from Orton as well … it’s hard to compare apples with apples.
Fab 5 made Final 2 in consectutive years – but couldn’t haul in the banner
I voted for 30+ wins (I may be more optimisitc than most – but I’ve been bleedin’ Blue like this for over 30 years and I’m ready to get back where this team really should be).
by ukcris on Sep 4, 2009 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My expectations for this season.
Ok, I’ve just gone over the schedule with my pen putting little "W’s" or L’s" next to each game (I know, most of you have already done this, but my mind has been in total summer/pool time/vacationing/back-to-school mode lately) and this is what I’ve come up with for my personal expectations. Now, please keep in mind that I’m a bit over-the-top superstitious so I’m not totally comfortable with public predictions (last year all I wanted was to make the NCAA tourney and I said as much on this blog – and we all know how that turned out), but in an effort to break free from my superstitious nature a bit, and really this does seem like the right year to throw caution to the wind, what with the talent level we currently have — though I do realize (as others have stated) that there are a number of factors that have to come together for a successful year as talent alone does not win games, championships or the hearts of fans, BUT, assuming all those things do come together — here goes:
Since there are 33 regular season games I will say that we drop 4 of those (I’m not going to say precisely where I think those losses will come from), but I will say that this is the year we beat Vandy at godforsaken Memorial (we simply must!!) and we also come away with a win at the home of the Gators (as the Gators just really bug also) for a record of 29-4 going into SEC tourney play.
As far as SEC tourney, I can realistically see us to coming away with the title, but wouldn’t be too surprised if we were the runner-up for some reason.
NCAA Tourney. It will be absolutely lovely to be in the NCAA Tourney conversation this year and our success really depends quite a bit on who and where we draw, but quite truthfully I will be disappointed with an early exit (first two rounds) and can conceivably see us making an Elite Eight appearance. Also, I do have tickets to the South Regional so if the cards were to somehow fall into place for that, it would be greatly appreciated. ; )
Now, hopefully I will not look back on this post come mid-April and be totally humiliated by my public predictions but rather overjoyed at how I lowballed our potential. : )
by BigSkyCat on Sep 4, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll pay someone $100 if they can successfully diagram that second sentence.
:)
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
by NYCCats on Sep 4, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
Yeah, I suppose that sentence is a perfect example of what Tru calls a "stream of consciousness", isn’t it? Or in this case "unconsciousness" might be more appropriate, huh? Oh well, hopefully he won’t take away my birthday for it. ; )
by BigSkyCat on Sep 4, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… I have made similarly complex sentences, so I am quite frankly impressed. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 4, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's A Try
I’m – a – UK – fan.
by FortyYearCatFan on Sep 6, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are lots of reasons why this team can fall short
But there is no reason to think it will. The returning team is a competent, middle of the pack SEC team. Add-in one of the greatest recruiting classes ever, and we should expect greatness. There is ample precedent in the college game for freshmen-led teams to reach the Final Four and win titles. Why shouldn’t this one?
Anything less than 30-ish wins, a #1 or 2 seed, and at least an Elite Eight, but probably a Final Four, I think has to rank as a disappointment.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
by NYCCats on Sep 4, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It would make me happier than last year to see:
1. Twice as many assists as turnovers
2. UK “really” in the discussion when the NCAA tournament is set
3. NO losses to teams we should humiliate
4. NO Wildcats afraid to shoot an 18-foot jumper
5. Patterson single-teamed
6. NO losses in Rupp
7. Another game in Memorial Coliseum :-)) (This from an old guy, remember?)
8. Some speed up and down the floor without being afraid we’re going to throw the ball away.
9. A win against my son’s Fartheels, er, uh, Tarheels
and finally, my most favorite wish (other than another NCAA Championship) is
10. Fear in the eyes of opposing coaches and players like they used to have.
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
by oldcat'69 on Sep 4, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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