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UK Football: Beating Back the Overreaction, and Kentucky's Areas of Need

UK football coach Rich Brooks asks for patience from the fans, and improvement from his players.

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UK football coach Rich Brooks asks for patience from the fans, and improvement from his players.

Kentucky's unceremonious 41-7 de-cleating at the hands of the Florida Gators on Saturday seems to have unleashed a chorus of negativity, and talk of the need for change within the UK football program.  I suppose I'm not surprised at the outcry, but I should be.  You see, even in seasons in which they win more than they lose, UK has consistently found a way to suffer indignant defeat -- Fran Curci's 1976 9-3 season was briefly interrupted by a 31-7 loss to the Georgia Bulldogs in Lexington; Jerry Claiborne's 1983 team, which went 6-5-1, lived through two beatings: One at home to Auburn, 49-21 (I was at that game), and another on the road at Georgia, 47-21; again in 1984, a UK team that recorded a fine 9-3 mark, lost two games by wide margins: To LSU in Lexington, by a score of 36-10, and at home the very next week to Georgia, 37-7; Billy Curry's 1993 Wildcats finished the season 6-6, but lost 48-0 to Tennessee; Hal Mumme's 1998 Tim Couch-led 'Cats went 7-5, yet lost 59-21 to Peyton Manning and the Tennessee Vols; in 1999 UK went 6-6 and lost to both Florida, 38-10, and Tennessee (who won the national title), 56-21, by wide margins; Guy Morriss' underrated 2002  team that went 7-5 lost 53-24 to Georgia, in Lexington (I was at that game as well).  And finally, in the last four years, (a high-water mark in UK football history), the 'Cats have lost games in embarrassing fashion each season-- 2006, 49-0 at LSU -- 2007, 31-14 to the underdog Mississippi State Bulldogs -- 2008, 63-5 to Florida, and of course Saturdays 41-7 Gator drubbing.

What does this tell us, or at least, what should this tell us?  Well, the first thing the above scores indicate to me is ...

Star-divide

... Kentucky is paying the price for competing in the SEC; generally the strongest football conference in the land.

One aspect of UK's failing to gain considerable ground in their race to become nationally relevant in football is the fact that they compete against the very best teams in the country, on a yearly basis.  Couple that with the fact that building a solid football team is a strenuously tall task, and you're left with a program, which for the last 50 years or so, has failed to maintain consistency.  Which is what makes what Rich Brooks has achieved in putting together three straight bowl wins a commendable accomplishment.

But, in developing a program the Commonwealth can be proud of, there are teams such as Florida, Georgia, LSU, and Tennessee that display, in living color, what it is UK strives to achieve: A football team complete with the necessary components for playing consistently winning football -- Great skill position players, and incredible team speed, to go along with linemen who know what it feels like to push around some of the nations elite players.

To hold UK to the same standard (at this point, anyway) as the above teams, as it pertains to the number of All-SEC caliber players on Kentucky's roster, is simply unrealistic and patently unfair to the Wildcat team and coaches.  To be sure, UK is in the process of building what we all hope becomes a consistently solid football program, but inherent in that growth is the occasional loss which makes one turn away from the television with disgust.  And that's what we witnessed Saturday ... no more, no less.

So the recent burst of negative energy coming out of the UK fan base seems a bit misguided, and naive.  Make no mistake, though, the numerous unnerving UK penalties, especially at the beginning of Saturdays tilt, contributed to the Gators easily covering the spread.  But, UK's offensive and defensive line were clearly inferior to their Florida counterparts.  And as any knowledgeable football fan knows, the game is won or lost in the trenches.  But of course, the Gators are, if not the best team in the country, one of the two or three most dominant groups in the nation, which should also be reason enough to give UK football fans pause.  For comparing this group of Wildcats to one of the preeminent teams in the country is fallacy at its finest. 

Saturday's game did, quite clearly, illustrate the talent gap still in existence between UK and the top tier SEC clubs; the game quite clearly illustrated that UK still has ample room to grow as a program; and finally, with UK once again losing handily to a superior SEC opponent, the game quite clearly illustrated that the 'Cats still have another hurdle to overcome in their quest to become a formidable football program. 

What fans must remember is; when a program is being built, one has to take the good with the bad.  Along with the three straight bowl wins, the three straight victories over Louisville, and the wins over No. 1 LSU and Georgia, goes the lopsided losses to Florida the last two years, and UK's inability to beat Steve Spurrier or Tennessee.  Not unlike grieving, building something worth following is a process.  And in UK's case, a process not yet complete. 

Areas of Need

With games coming up against Alabama, South Carolina and an improved Auburn team, Kentucky is staring this season's crossroad squarely in the eyes.  Kentucky needs to win at least two of those games, and in order for that need to be filled, the 'Cats must show improvement in the following areas:

Rush Defense -- U of L's Victor Anderson ran 19 times for 110 yards, a 5.8 yards per carry average.  Florida's stable of backs rushed for an astounding 362 yards on 52 rushing attempts (7.0 ypc).

Penalties -- In UK's last two games they have committed 17 penalties for 164 yards.  Many of those penalties were drive-killers for the Kentucky offense, or drive-sustainers for the opponent.

Opponents Quarterback Play -- U of L's Justin Burke, and Florida's Tim Tebow, along with Tebow's backup, John Brantley, combined to throw for 378 yards on 44 passes.  That's an 8.6 yards gained per pass attempt, and an even more disturbing 15.8 yards per pass completion. 

UK's Yards Per Completion -- Kentucky's Mike Hartline has completed 33 passes over the last two games, for a total of 263 yards.  That equates to 7.9 yards per completion.  Hartline has had a couple of 20 + yard completions wiped out by penalties, but in order for UK's passing game to be taken seriously, the completion average needs to be in double-digits.  On a related note; Florida executed six pass breakups and two interceptions on only 28 UK passes.  Eight pass interruptions are a function of throwing into heavy coverage, something Hartline has to get under control. 

Florida's Average Gain Per Play -- The Gators ran 68 plays for a total of 495 yards, an average of 7.3 yards per play.  That's a video game average, not real life, or at least it shouldn't be.  This total tells the tale of UK's defensive line's ineffectiveness versus the Gators.

Giving Up Big Plays on Third & Long -- Third & Long = 3rd Down and at least five yards to go: Versus U of L, Kentucky allowed the following 3rd & Long[s] to be converted into first downs -- 3rd & 6 - 15 yard completion; 3rd & 8 -- 10 yard completion; 3rd & 9 - Pass interference against UK; 3rd & 14 -- 16 yard completion; 3rd & 7 -- 21 yard completion.  Overall, Louisville was 9-17 in third down conversions.

Against Florida, UK allowed the following 3rd & Long[s] to be converted into first downs -- 3rd & 5 - 30-yard rush; 3rd & 7 - 11-yard rush.  Florida was a much more acceptable 5-13 in third down conversions.

Average Opponents Starting Field Position -- Florida and Louisville had the tremendous advantage of beginning their drives (on average) from their own 38 yard line (UF) and 41 yard line (U of L), with seven of Florida's drives beginning on the UK 36, UK 23, UF 42, UK 46, UK 49, UK 8 and Florida 40.  It matters not who UK is playing; allowing the opponent such advantageous field  position will surely lead to a loss, much more than a win. 

UK's Rushing Offense -- Against Florida, UK's four primary ball-carriers performed less than admirably -- Derrick Locke - 13 carries for 36 yards; Alfonso Smith - Seven carries for 12 yards; Moncell Allen - Three carries for 28 yards (not bad "Turtle"); and John Conner - 2 carries for 7 yards.

That's 25 carries for only 83 yards (3.3 ypc).  Perhaps no stat is as telling -- Kentucky absolutely must improve this statistic if they harbor hopes of competing with anyone on their SEC slate.

UK's Offensive (pun intended) First Down Performance -- Of 27 first down plays against Florida, UK gained a TOTAL of 54 yards.  The carnage looked like this: Five-yard rush (offset by an illegal motion penalty); false start; nine yard sack; Incompletion; three-yard rush; incompletion; three-yard rush; five-yard rush; two-yard rush; Zero gain rush (illegal formation = - five-yards); three-yard rush; five-yard rush; nine-yard completion; 21-yard completion (offset by a pass interference penalty= - 12 yards); four-yard rush (on 1st & 22); incompletion; zero gain rush; five-yard rush; minus eight-yard rush; 20-yard rush; two-yard rush; interception; 15-yard completion; six-yard rush; incompletion; six-yard rush; incompletion.

Putting UK's offense in 2nd (& 3rd) and Long, is not a recipe for winning over fans, and influencing poll voters.  Now, keeping in mind that the Gators are one of the elite defensive teams in the nation; UK still must improve this statistic to keep from being consistently predictable within the parameters of the offense.

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I am amazed

at the people that think UK, with no real history of football achievement, should be able to jump from probation and limited players/scholarships to competing for an SEC title in less than ten years. We, who have never had much in the way of a football history (think Ole Miss’ basketball tradition if you need a comparison and you don’t watch football) are supposed to be able to build a consistent, highly rated and ultra competitive team in less than a decade when teams in our own conference (Ole Miss, Mississippi St., Arkansas, South Carolina) who have a better history in football and/or more high school players to choose from are not able to avoid being in the bottom tier of the conference on a regular basis.

Our basketball program was not built into a dynasty in a decade, neither can our football team.

by wklawdog on Sep 29, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didnt see even 1 person on this blog today claim that we should be champions

of the SEC in 10 years. One person did claim that Cincy is going to go from the basement to competing for the Big East title, and that seems likely.And I didnt see anyone claim that we needed to be ultracompetitive……our record in the last few years in the SEC is 1-23……thats 1 win-23 losses. You get that to even 8-16 and I will say no more. We are simply not competitive at all in the SEC……at all. 1 upset win is all we have…..granted it was one incredible upset win…..but that is it. I wont berate Coach Brooks for anything, he has done a fine job of getting us to this point.

But what is this point?? We are now capable of beating most any non-SEC opponent? that is a big step, that is for sure. So how long will it be acceptable to stay at this level It has been three wonderful years.

Had that team come out there on Saturday and showed ANY fight, this discussion and these comments never get made. Is all this fussing about 1 loss, no, but then again it is the way we lost….there is no shame in losing if you give your best effort…..110% the whole game……that team didnt show up until the second quarter, and then only for about 20-25 minutes….

A team that is moving in the right direction doesnt do that…..not the same team 2 years in a row….Florida actually managed to break their record point total for the first quarter from last year.

By the way, we do have a football history…..it just happens to suck…….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 29, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My ten year comment. . .

comes from the fact that people have been saying that neither Coach Brooks or Joker can get us where we need to be and we should go after a name coach. I find that talk insane when Brooks has only been here, what, seven years with almost half of those years being on probation. When you start at bad, which is where we have historically been, you have to make yourself decent consistently before you can step up to very good consistently.

by wklawdog on Sep 29, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here you are!

Tell me all those known coaches you have talked to that said they wouldn’t come to Kentucky. You seem to have info the rest of us can’t get.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

I mentioned Tuberville, Fulmer and Cutclitte. All three would love to get back into the SEC.
Now who told you they wouldn’t.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my question is, why isn't this a moot point?

There are no open job positions for them right now. Fulmer, Tuberville et.al. can want in one hand and poop in the other and see which fills up first.

Honestly, we don’t really know if these guys would come to UK. Maybe they would. But there are no job openings here. And there aren’t going to be any soon.

I don’t get all this coaching angst. In order to change coaches, you have to have a reason. Brooks has succeeded well enough at this point, considering the awful conditions under which he took the job. Why would we replace him? What would be our reasoning, our logic, our justification?

Even if I allowed that we should have hired someone other than Brooks, which I don’t, that ship has sailed. So under what conditions is this even an item for discussion? Are we just daydreaming here, or what?

Just askin’.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Sep 29, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tell me

Truz, you’ve seen the Cats since Brooks got her. And I’m sure you were around when they announced the coach in waiting.
Do you think we can get better with the current coach or if he has brought us as far as he can?
Was the quick move to name the coach in waiting warranted?

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My answers:

1. Yes, we can get better, no doubt about it.
2. Whether it was warranted or not, it is done. What I mean is, if you take a decision to make a promise, an agreement, and later you think maybe it was made in haste, do you take it back? I don’t. And I don’t expect UK to.

Whether naming Phillips coach or not was a good idea is something we will not know until Brooks retires. He has not coached one minute as head coach of the Wildcats.

We don’t know if Tuberville would do any good at UK, either. Nor any other coach who’s name has been brought up. Each one of these guys brings their own baggage, and it may be that Phillips is the ideal choice.

My over-arching point is, we have an agreement in hand with a man that we have no reason to believe won’t take us to the next level. So why would we consider breaking it? We can’t prove a negative. The agreement has been made. We should honor it and stop talking about replacing a man who hasn’t assumed the job yet.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Sep 29, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me get this straight,

Tuberville, Fulmer and Cutcliffe are so in love with the SEC that they would come to UK if we dumped Brooks and staff and asked them to? Are you serious?

As for names, UK made a run at Parcells and went after Norm Chow at USC. Both turned us down. Parcells-understandable. Chow, who wanted to be a head coach, decided being an assistant for the Titans would be a better job than going to UK.

by wklawdog on Sep 29, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uklaw

So you talked to Chow and others?

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't be retarded.

I have seen and read the interviews where they talked about the offer.

by wklawdog on Sep 29, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Find that article

I want to see were Chow said he wouldn’t come to Kentucky and what his reason was?
You say they won’t come. We don’t know if they would or not.
Show me were any coach says he wouldn’t come to Kentucky. And his reasons.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Find that article?

What is it with you? I said I watched and/or read the interviews. Their turn down of the offer happened about 7 years ago.

Dude, I love UK as much as the next person, but you need to get a grip. Other than basketball, people are not beating down the door to coach at UK. Heck, Mike Archer (a former LSU head coach-not a good one I will grant you) took a job with us as defensive co-ordinator and decided to abandon us for what, N.C. State. If a coach is going to take on a project team, he wants that team to either be in fertile recruiting ground or in an easier BCS conference. History should tell you that top of the line coaches are not clamoring to come here and coach. Unless you are of the view that every athletic director and president that we have had has been incompentant. If that is your position, then keep up the faith my good man.

by wklawdog on Sep 29, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Archer

didn’t so much abandon us as he fled, beforebeing asked to leave.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 29, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mke Archer

Yep, your right about Mike Archer. Won 10 games at LSU in 1987. he first ten win season in 25 years.The next year they won the SEC. Any one from Kentucky done either lately?
I don’t want guesses, what ifs, and all that bull sh-t. Tell me how you know or show me that no known coach would come to Kentucky.
I see your history of the SEC is lacking but that’s OK.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Archer's limited success at LSU was a result

of Bill Arnsbarger’s success. After Arnsbarger’s players left the program, Archer did not experience much success, and was fired.

He did have great success as the DC of the Steelers, but his stint at UK was not, uh, pleasant.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 29, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arnsbarger should read, Arnsparger

And hey, Paris, you probably already know this, but Arnsparger is from Paris, KY.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Right Ken. The man is a class act. And one hell of a football coach.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bryant's Staff

Bill was one of those on the greatest staff ever assemblied. Think of the wins that bunch had as individuals.
Wonder if they thought Lexington was a burial ground for coaches?

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is so stupid.

Too lazy to look for things yourself?

Why, just look at what I found after about oh, I don’t know, 1 minute of looking? This LA Times piece about Chow’s refusal of UK’s offer is dated December 25, 2002. (btw, you click on the blue words to access the article)

So see, Chow didn’t want to come to UK and said so himself, and in the back of your mind I think you already knew it, you just want to be argumentative.

by BigSkyCat on Sep 29, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its quite clear he didn't think he could win here. It says that doesn't it?

I read it. Where does it say he wasn’t coming because the Cats are a loser and he didn’t want any part of that? In the back of my mond he wanted to stay on the west coast were he is today as the offensive coordinator of UCLA. But when you find were he said he wasn’t coming because of the condition of the football team, I’ll be happy to read. It.
I bet if you look hard enough you can find one that says Spurrier isn’t going back to Florida. Wonder if its because of the state of the program?
Tell me how many coaches you’ve heard of yourself that made that statement. Sorry, you can’t and won’t. No coach would make such as statement. We have accepted that as the truth any time we can’t get a known coach.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We don't know and won't find out

Bill Curry was national coach of the year. That good enoug for you?
He didn’t have a good run here but he’s still one of the most repected coachess in the country.
We always say we can’t get one because he doesn’t want to step down.
We don’t know any reason someone would come or not. Anyway, we’ve got a coach and the next one too.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Coach Brooks is the guy, then by all means I want him to be successful

but you know, as well as I know, that neither he nor anyone else who knows anything about football would call what we saw on Saturday an even mediocre effort against a team we should have been able to at least look in the eye and not run from…….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 29, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: ABC

UK’s record in the SEC over the last three+ years is 4-4, 3-5, 2-6 and this years 0-1. Not sure where you got 1-23.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 29, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my apologies.....

I should have said the teams I was quoting our record against…it wasnt all of the SEC, just the “upper half”……my bad

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by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 29, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are absolutely right about that

I just really dont want to hang my hat on beating Vandy and Arkansas and Miss St every year as success…..and to be honest, those games may be in question too…..and I fully admit that may be an overreaction…..I guess time will tell

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by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 29, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: ABC

You have to compare what is happening now, with what has happened in the past, and what’s happening now, beats the hell out of what has happened in the past.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 29, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right........

but it’s the not showing up like that makes my blood boil…..losing I can tolerate……if the effort is there……but that gutless showing was uncalled for……it wasnt even worth turning on the set for……

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 29, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't question UK's effort versus Florida

I question whether they were mentally prepared to face the best team in the country. The first quarter both the O and D lines were whipped (to use a BCG phrase:), and I think the talent difference in the trenches truly shocked the players, which is one reason so many penalties were committed.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 29, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We may benefit from some of these factors too

Thne twelve game season made us bowl material. No doubt about it. And the fact that 64 out of 120 get to go. The other fifty six, the minorityh, stay at home.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

Ken, how are we going to get this grace period of not playing against them while we build a winner so we can play them.?
We are in the SEC. We play in the SEC, we just don’t compete in it.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your grace period = my building period.

And UK competes very well in the SEC, with the occasional blowout loss, as illustrated with my first paragraph.

How long — I don’t have an answer for that. Basically, we’re in year four of the process. I expect in three more years for UK to be breaking down some of the barriers they currently fail to negotiate.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But explain

Ken, the stat of 1-24 doens’t show we compete very well in the SEC.
We compete very well against Vandy, 4-2 and Mississippi State. also 4-2, Against everyone else not so good.
If none of the other teams took football seriously we might be more compititive but that ain’’t going to happen. Maybe Vandy but the others are going to it right or the coach will be gone.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better record against the elite

I would love UK to have a better record against the best teams in the conference (and some of the best teams in the country), and with a break here and there they would have at least a few more wins against UT, UG, and USC. But, as I noted, we’re in the middle of a process. A process that I anticipate showing improved results over the next few years.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 29, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually 1-24

Its the Cats record in the SEC East minus Vanderbilt over Brooks tenure.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1-23???

I agree, it’s not pretty. Not at all. But it’s better than you’re making it out to be. In 2006, we beat Ole Miss, Georgia, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. In 2007, we beat Arkansas, LSU and Vanderbilt. Last year, we beat Arkansas and Mississippi State. That’s 9-15.

by chstrckwl on Sep 30, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah

I see your stipulation there. apologies.

by chstrckwl on Sep 30, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ken, good piece as usual

I am one of the individuals having that burst of negative energy today. And that energy is directed at one thing and one thing only.

Acceptance by this team and most of the UK fanbase that what happened Saturday, while tragic by even the lowest standards, is just life. We have to accept who we are and what we are capable of. Well, if we want to be content with what we have, then I guess we do.

I myself will never accept what I saw on that field Saturday as anything but a joke….and a bad one at that. If it makes me something less in the eyes of others, then so be it.

Seems to me though that a few months ago we were looking at something far less severe in our basketball program and the same people who are willing to accept this, were raising Cain about that, and then some…….seems to me that what’s good for the goose, is good for the gander……

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by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 29, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No UK fan should accept ...

… what happened Saturday. Never.

We lost, but that wasn’t the problem. We failed to compete in the first quarter, and pretty much made the rest of the game irrelevant.

At the very least, had we competed, we would have had some kind of chance at a comeback. But you can’t come back from a 31-0 hole against the #1 team in America.

I think you are mistaking acceptance for something larger, quite frankly. You don’t have to accept the game Saturday to understand that UK will not be in a position to truly compete on an equal level with the Gators anytime soon. That’s reality, not acceptance.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Sep 29, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly wish I didnt feel that way Tru

but reading what most people are writing appears to say something different.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 29, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are misreading most of them.

Understanding the inherent structural problem with Kentucky in the SEC is not acceptance of bad football.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Sep 30, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I accept that a phase of mediocrity

is perfectly normal and acceptable while on the rise out of irrelevancy. Let’s say it takes us 10 years of 7-5 or 6-6 football to finally become something better, is that really so bad? We have all sat through a lot of 2-9 seasons, when there was no direction at all.

I can appreciate those that aren’t happy with where we are, what I have real problems with are those that want to ‘fire’ the Coach that hasn’t taken over yet, on the rationale that he is more of the same.

"The IQ of a mob is the IQ of its most stupid member divided by the number of mobsters." --Terry Pratchett

by Ontherocks on Sep 30, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know that a new coach would fix the problem

I know that debacle Saturday was not all about the coach…..he took responsibility, and thats his place as head coach, but he didnt commit 7 penalties….allow a punt to be blocked and stand there and wave at ball carriers as they ran by…..that is solely on those guys on the field…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 30, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Ontherocks

Very well (and succintly) said.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Acceptance

My personal experience over the last few days isn’t one of acceptance, rather, it’s one of anger, which is what led me to write the first part of my post.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 29, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But football doesn't work that way

Cal turned around our standing with one (miracle) class. You would need about three or four of those in football to win championships, at least in the SEC. We need consistency to build our recruiting brand, and a couple more signature wins.

by ukbulldog on Sep 29, 2009 10:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Ten Years

Hang around, and you’ll get your ten years of Brooks/Phillips. It going to be here soon. Are we over reacting? Sure, we did last year too when they got us 63-5. And there was no reason to as we found out. Didn’t we win six games? Three buy wins, one against Louisville, and two by a point each agains the 5th and 6th placed teams in the Western Division.
Alabama has been on probation twice since we were placed on there ourselves. Certainly hurt their program hasn’t it?
The last coaching search in football was handled by the current athletic director. The onee of Billy Clyde Gillispie fame. Finally they got someone to hold his hand and find some one for him.

by ParisGuy on Sep 29, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Grief

Bama could go on probation every four years like clockwork and still out recruit us in their own backyard. Brooks has to spend twice the money, four times the amount of time just to yield half the results in recruiting that Bama and Florida obtain. When is everyone going to get it through their skulls that the name of our coach does not change our proximity to top talent.

And dear lord, please don’t ever compare Cincinnati to UK again. Whatever credibility your argument might have is gone every time you mention it.

There has got to be some sort of reality distortion field surrounding this blog today. I’m not seeing this much angst on other sites.

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by Ontherocks on Sep 29, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like some folks are sipping on some

Haterade.

I don’t believe that even if Saban was our coach we’d get better that much quicker. Hell, the Bear could come back from the effin dead, take up the HC position and we’d still have to rebuild like we are now. The footballers are going to places that WIN, period. B-ball rules don’t apply, you can’t just throw in a “name” coach and all will be well.

Sorry Paris,your angst is understood but misguided in my opinion. Brooks n Co. are doing all the right things to get us to the next level in football, unfortunately we are at the second rung and have 30 more to go. We’ll keep climbing but it’s going to take a while, NO MATTER WHO THE COACH IS.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

by bluecrip on Sep 30, 2009 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BTW

Nice job as usual Ken. You are like an island in A Sea of Blue (madness)

I LOVE COOKING WITH WINE
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

by bluecrip on Sep 30, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks bc, your words are appreciated.

You realize every day Petrino is at Arkansas, your a day closer to a free meal :) I’m already lobbying USC to fire that bum Carroll and make Petrino their HC.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 30, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bwah ha ha ha ha ha!!!

I get nervous everytime Arkansas does well. All I see is ol boy with a shit eating grin on his face announcing he’s leaving to coach the Browns or something. :) When we do this, if it’s in Arkansas, we are going to Doe’s in Fayetteville. FAT STEAKS and great atmoshpere.

I LOVE COOKING WITH WINE
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

by bluecrip on Sep 30, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sooo, what you're saying is...

That we’re not very good. And the reason that we’re not very good is because we have inferior talent. And we can’t seem to get better talent because we’re not very good. Cyclical reasoning that unfortunately seems rather apropos. I recognize that, and don’t disagree. My question is whether there’s actually a way out of the damn vortex?

Anything but Gatorade - yet another SEC sports blog

by Anything but Gatorade on Sep 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am researching that as we speak ABG.....will have post later today to address

that very issue…..still up in the air at this point……

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by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 30, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we're seeing the way out

UK’s last recruiting class was perhaps their best in decades, maybe ever, but we won’t see the fruits of the staff’s recruiting labor for at least another year. But when those players are ready to contribute, we should see an upgrade in the results we’re witnessing.

As far as this team — As I noted, judging them on one game, against the best team in the country, is unfair to the players and coaches. Florida will blow out much better teams than UK this year.

There is simply no arguing that Brooks and staff have bettered UK football. Just think back merely 5 years ago, and compare that team with this one. There really is no comparison.

Your right, it’s a cycle, but it’s a cycle UK is slowly wiggling out of.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 30, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ken

How did you grade their performance against Louisville? Just interested.
We opened with the currently no.150th rated team in the country.. And won big. That may be the misleading game of the season so far.

by ParisGuy on Sep 30, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

U of L

Other than the third quarter I thought UK played very well.

U of L = 150 — That can’t be accurate. There’s not 150 FBS teams. But, regardless, U of L is much better than thier preseason prognostications. They just went to Utah, a top-20 team and only lost 20-7. Their D is much better than a year ago, and if Burke develops, they could be a very good team in a weak Big East.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 30, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

You didn’t mean to imply that U of L was rated 150, you were talking about Miami. My bad.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 30, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Ken...

i have been guilty of over stressing – the 23+year streaks vs UF and UT as well as the 1-24 vs non vandy east teams bother me – but given our football tradition (or lack there of), it will take time. i had forgotten the losses back in the curci days….

The only worse thing than all this blogging about UK football would be NO blogging on UK football – at least we care just hope we don’t love Brooks to death :)

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Sep 30, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I don't like losing year after year to Fla., UT, etc, either, but

I strongly feel the program is heading in the right direction.

As far as Brooks — Part of the reason I have such admiration for him is because of the way he handled the premature call for his head on platter by both fans and columnists alike. He could have very easily called it a day, and retired. But he didn’t . He persevered, and executed his plan, which is now beginning to show results (the last three years).

I think he’s done a great job, but that doesn’t mean I always agree with him, but he generally gets the benefit of the doubt from me. Unlike many, I’ve been a big UK football fan for many, many years, and what’s happening now beats the heck out of any consecutive three year period in UK’s football past. At least over the last 60 years or so.

Jumping off bridges because of the loss to Florida seems short-sighted to me, especially if one is “up” on their UK football history.

by Ken Howlett on Sep 30, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ken

I think you know how much I respect everything you write. As a non football fan I can stand back and look from a distance. As I wrote in an earlier article. The average fan does not see any change in UK’s football program! We pick up 3,4,or5 top players and the rest od the SEC has 40 top players. They will NOT wait for us to catch up. We are running in place!

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by oldcat70 on Sep 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Respectfully, the stats disagree with your assessment.

Wins and losses, recruiting classes, bowl wins, players in the NFL; they all point to UK being a stronger program than it has been for many years.

If the average fan doesn’t see any change in the UK football program, perhaps a visit to the optometrist will help:) Besides, I’m not sure I can agree with that. I regularly go to UK games, and several of my friends are hardcore football fans, and I know they would disagree.

Ask those who’ve been polluting your outlook if 8-5, 8-5, 7-6 is better than 2-9, 2-9, 4-8, 2-9 (UK’s record in ’00, ’01, ’03, ’04)?

by Ken Howlett on Sep 30, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One last thing

Those better records are NOT against the SEC. Which has to be the measuring stick everyone uses. Have a good day! Going to mow!

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Sep 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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