The Big Blue Daily Mail -- Florida and Tennessee have not yet stopped the contest
It seems Urban Meyer and Lane Kiffin have decided that Saturday's game should continue with a few verbal jabs. No need to end it just because the weekend is over, I guess.
First, Meyer:
''I think there's so much pressure on this team to perform perfectly, which is good,'' Meyer said. ''I'd rather be on that end than on, 'Boy, great job. We lost by 10.' I don't want to do that. There's a lot of pressure on these guys and I felt it in there.''
Then, Kiffin fired back (well, no so much fired, really, as harrumphed):
On Monday, Kiffin said he didn’t want to respond to Meyer’s comment. But asked whether he was worried about the flu also hitting Tennessee, he said: "I don’t know. I guess we’ll wait and after we’re not excited about a performance, we’ll tell you everybody was sick."
So there you go. These guys really should get a room.
Of course, lest you think Rich Brooks is a above a little verbal jousting, Steve Kragthorpe made this comment about playing against Trevard Lindley, "We weren't scared of that guy. We were going after his ass."
To which Brooks responded:
"It's amazing how people can pound their chests for going after a good player. All-Pro cornerbacks get beat for touchdowns. I just hope people keep going after Trevard Lindley. Keep pounding your chests and go after him."
Probably just my partisanship showing, but I think Brooks got the better of that one. Now, for the news.
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And you have to wonder where UK would be without its third-quarter defense. Thanks to a 65-yard second-half kickoff return and consecutive Kentucky turnovers, Louisville reached the red zone three straight times. All three times the Cards failed to reach the end zone. A missed field goal was sandwiched between two made field goals. That's where Kentucky won the game. -
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Very interesting piece. I found this quote from Sonny Vaccaro unintentionally hilarious:
"What's the difference with an agent using a runner and a college coach using an assistant coach?" Vaccaro said. "I don't see a difference. The agent and the runner are despicable to the media, but not the college coaches. One of them is scandalous and the other is given a free pass. A number of coaches or assistants have a friend who is an agent that supplies him with players."
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Hmm. Maybe Rick should give up his Valhalla membership ...
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You know what seems bizarre to me?
Why the Lexington Country Club membership would not just be included in the contract, as a gift from the LCC itself…..you are not going to tell me they couldnt trade the membership for a promotional spot or a fundraiser or something? the man can sell ice cubes to Eskimos…..
We beat Florida, and I guarantee you the headlines will read all over the sports world, “Cats Give Florida A Dose of Their Own Medicine in 2009 Flu Bowl”. And Urban Meyer will be talking about how they should have postponed the game. Of course they could all be faking. It wouldnt be the first time a student faked an illness….lol….tell me this isnt some big Ferris Bueller stunt.
Where do I vote for John Wall for the Heisman??
I will be really glad when we are so good in Football that we can play two patsies and still be #1 in the country. we play two patsies and our OOC SOS is in question…just saying sometimes its good to be established.
It is either going to be a really great Saturday night or I am going to go buy a stuffed Gator and use it for target practice for my SUV….and then give it to my dog to pee on……
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 22, 2009 8:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LCC
here’s what i don’t get…cal lives across the street from idle hour. why not join there?
by chstrckwl on Sep 22, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause it doesnt cost $30,000?
I am just guessing.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 22, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Daily Schadenfreude
I don’t see how the guy who wrote that article gets away with throwing Calipari in with Pitino on that one.
by sylvar on Sep 22, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the Kiffin-Meyer fued
Sports is always better with a little well (poorly?) earned animosity. My favorite Kiffin quote from this dust-up: “This offseason the commissioner made a big deal of renewing vows in terms of what we say about other teams, other coaches and other players. Obviously Urban feels he doesn’t need to follow that. We won’t say anything else.”
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
by NYCCats on Sep 22, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kiffin
I am really liking Lane Kiffin!
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 22, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me too
I’m glad WE don’t have a coach running his mouth like that, but big-mouth types really do make sports so much more interesting. I have to admit, I rather like Bruce Pearl for the same reason—the guy’s entertaining.
by blue kentucky girl on Sep 22, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pearl
Well we will have to differ there – lol. I absolutely DETEST Bruce Pearl!!
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
Kiffin’s “Sorry, I cant hear you” line to the sideline reporter brought a little tear to my eye. ;)
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 22, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Misty water colored memmmmmories...
Of the way we were…
Scattered pictures…
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
Exactly!
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 23, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep it up
I hope Kiffin and Meyer keep replaying their game of last week while we focus on our game of this week.
by Fortunatus on Sep 22, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder
Wouldn’t it be terrible it Tennessee was THAT good and played Florida that close for real?
Nah, they can’t be, this is a down year for the Vols. Just like it is at Auburn. Seems we won’t have to worry too much about Vanderbilt, Mississippi State got them. But want if the former offensive coordinator at Florida has gotten Miss State a little better?
Oh, the trials and tributuations of finding six wins!
by ParisGuy on Sep 22, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes?
If I didn’t know better, I would almost swear you were a fan of another team.
I agree that it will be tough to get our 6-7 wins this year, but the way you come across really doesn’t even remotely sound like a fan lamenting a difficult schedule. It seems much more like the sarcastic taunting of a rival.
Just sayin.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kragthorpe
didn’t exactly insult Trevard Lindley. He called him a first round NFL draft choice in the sentence leading up to the rather regrettable “going after his ass” comment.
I’m assuming a reporter asked a direct question regarding Lindley. It would have been preferable for the coach to say something vague like “Our offensive game plan wasn’t dictated on the positioning of one defensive player.”
by don'tshootmei'macard on Sep 22, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he was trying to pull a Gundy
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First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Sep 22, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS DIVISION 1 FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that youre right....
Kragthorpe has to be getting tire of all of the questions about that team, their abilities and toughness….honestly, it was kind of a tough statement to make, and I think he just wanted his guys and the fans to know that UL wasnt going to back down…..I didnt see any disrespect there. Kragthorpe may not end up being the solution at UL, but he seems to be a decent guy….one that wont throw his players under the bus…..have to respect that.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 22, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lindley's record
speaks for itself. Be healthy, Trevard.
by wildcatwhisperer on Sep 22, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Things are looking better.....
against Florida…maybe?….
- I really am sorry the gators are under the weather, but I will take it
-Georgia and Tennessee are going to be under water by Saturday making travel impossible. Forced forfeit?…nah….but I will take it
-Every team is beatable. I will take it
-Remember Coach needs us to “Believe”
GO CATS ! !
Nice countdown timer on the front page Tru. I just noticed it today :-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Sep 22, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another Schadenfreude link....
compares Memphis to Kentucky to Louisville to Kansas to Michigan St…..Oh well, at least he has Louisville’s off-season all in the red zone. Off-season ups and downs
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Sep 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
QB
Any good quarterback prospects for UK in the near future?
Its a shame Randall Cobb cant QB and throw to himself…
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by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 22, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
You mean other than our four-star freshmen, Morgan Newton and Ryan Mossakowski who will both likely be here five years?
:-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 22, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously??
Well, what’s the deal with them then? Why dont they play?
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 22, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freshmen. 'Nuff said. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How have you missed that?????
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If she's anything like me
it’s because she’s a hard core basketball fan, who’s interest in football is…well, significantly less. I wouldn’t know UK’s quarterback if he walked in the room (although I’m sure he’s huge, so I could probably figure it out). SO maybe y’all can enlighten me. ..Why IS it that freshmen don’t really play in football??
by blue kentucky girl on Sep 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is the rare freshman that is ever physically ready to play at D1 level
There’s a reason that Matt Barkley was the first true freshman to ever start the opening game at QB for Southern California when he stepped on the field three weeks ago.
Take a look at some of these kids when they enroll as 18 year olds and then look at the absolute men that leave school at 23 years of age. Zipp Duncan (who starts on our offensive line) was a skinny tight end when I watched him play at Etown High.
Physical mismatches are just one aspect of it though, the other side of the coin is the massive jump in complexity from high school to the college level. Remember, your average high school superstar may play against a handful of D1 talents in a season. Everyone on the field at Vanderbilt, Washington, Baylor, and Northwestern were the best players on their high school teams. The game is faster and smarter than anything they could have realistically prepared for.
That’s why the vast majority of college football players take a redshirt year.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 22, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK's QB walks in the room
Actually, he’s kind of a lanky kid about 6’4" tall with rosy red cheeks.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's listed at 6'6"
But then again, we don’t know if that’s with his helmet on :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 22, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girls ! !... You don't have to think of football as
a precursor to basketball season, I know how that is. Four years ago I was a total basketball fan and only followed the Cats in football as far as on Sunday’s finding out if UK won and that was it. This I will say…. I started learning more about the game itself, and now I absolutely love to watch UK football games. The games are fun and they are Wildcats too. I even went to my first fan day at Commonwealth this year and it was great !
:-)
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by a2d2 on Sep 22, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, quarterbacks aren't big?
Who knew :) Thanks for the help, chirop.
I actually just dislike football as a sport, unfortch—it’s nothing against UK football : ) Believe me, a2d2, I wish I did like it, as it would make my husband-mandated sitting-through of Monday Night Football…and Sunday Night Football…and Thursday Night Football….whenever else it comes on SO MUCH EASIER. I love basketball, really like baseball, and really can’t abide football. Probably this has everything to do with my raising—growing up I went to lots of h.s. basketball games where my hometown school is a nearly always really good, and of course watched many UK basketball games. My daddy is a big baseball fan, so I’m very familiar with and have affection for baseball. Football though— I never went to a football game in my life until college, and we didn’t watch it much in my house growing up, so I don’t know a great deal about it and find it quite tedious. I think it is too late for me to discover a great love for it now!
by blue kentucky girl on Sep 22, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no problem.....lol...
my high school didn’t even have a football team. My first football game…EKU arranged for my school to have tickets once a year, but didn’t go to watch the game….lol :-)
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by a2d2 on Sep 22, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I go to the games sometimes
I LOVE tailgating. I do enjoy watching the football games, but, yes I do think of it as a precursor to basketball season. That’s just how it is.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 23, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I LOVE UK basketball. I watch football because I LOVE UK. When it comes to football, I only know the really big names. They dont play – never heard of ’em.
Dang, Chirop, I’m trying here – give me a break!!
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by kentuckygirl0724 on Sep 23, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My apologies madam
I’ll be honest, my knowledge of the football team is often limited to what I read on the front page here.
It used to be quite a bit more when I was playing NCAA Football on my Playstation. I could name all the back-ups on the team because I had played with them in future years of my dynasties. LOL
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 23, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should a special session be called in Frankfort?
Any chance Brooks could play the ‘totally offended’ card’ and get Frankfort to call a special session? He could say its not in the best interest of college football in the state to have the two major schools play each other due to the possible bad blood that could rise into dastardly deeds.
We certainly don’t want an instate civil war.
And why if our current quarterback is so unable to call a time out ,wasn’t one the coaches within ear washot of the official?,Why aren’t we seeing one of the new freshman quarterbacks? If there was timeouts left, couldn’t one of the highly paid coaches called the timeout before the ball was snapped?
Guess we are saving them up for the Tennessee game. (I know you can’t do it, but hey, there has to be some excuse doesn’t there?).
by ParisGuy on Sep 22, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Try listening to the post game show
Or even “The Rich Brooks Show” on Mondays. He talked about all that and the circumstances leading up to it. Oh I’m sorry… that would require more than just the cursory approach to fandom that you like to display.
That’s right… I just questioned your fanhood. Whatcha gonna do now?
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 22, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
chirop
I’m still going to challenge why a head coach making a million a year can’t call a timeout. How come it took him till Monday to come up with an answer? What I read was it was Hartline’s fault and then Matthews fault for catching the pass. Of course we won and I bet Brooks was ‘tickled to death’ with the win.
I don’t care what he says, now. Its a little too much for a coach to blame a college kid for something he should have done himself. Telling us that Matthews should have known to intentionally drop a pass? Surely you don’t think any coach in any situation has ever coached a kid to drop a pass from his OWN quarterback. Go on and tell us you have.
iI/ve watched the Cats since Stoll Field and never have a seen or heard a coach blame his own ;players, especially call their names, for a mistake.
by ParisGuy on Sep 22, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Try it on someone else, it ainlt going to work here
I’m too old to wait until next year. And you are going to be too. We have accepted finishing last or near the bottom as normal too long. I think I figured it our that Brooks is averaging less than three wins a year in the conference. About the same with the other coaches we’ve had recently. But with the magical twelve game schedule and only having to win two conference games if we can get Louisville to roll over, we can brag about going to a minor bowl each year. Well, since there’s only 64 teams going to bowl and 56 staying at home, we still bragging about nothing.
I’m 62 and would really like to see a coach win at Kentucky. Not win with a AA achool on the schedule to get us to the sacred six, but to beat someone we can be proud of playing. Six wins last year and not a one in the regular season against a team with a winning record. I bet you tickled to death with that fact. Last in the conference, Proud of that one too?
Don’t question my ‘fanhood’. I’ve been a fan long enough to see we’re treading water and that’s all.
I;m not a ‘rah, rah’ like you. Sorry, but you can go ga ga over beating the weak teams and saying ‘next year’ but I been through a bunch of ‘next years’ for too long of a time.
by ParisGuy on Sep 22, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately ...
… I think we will all be going through a few more years like that. Kentucky is never going to attract sufficient talent to be competitive with the Floridas and Georgias on a regular basis. Sure, we’ll pull some upsets and win some games we shouldn’t win, but if you or I live long enough to see another SEC championship go to UK, even shared, I will be surprised. If we can find a way to win 3 or 4 games a year in the SEC, I think we would have come about as far as we are going to go on a consistent basis.
That’s just the way it is. I wrote about it at length here, and you can read it if you have time. Football is never, ever going to be “THE” sport at UK, and that is a natural fact. Bear Bryant, God rest him, could tell you that if he were still around.
You don’t grow football programs at basketball schools into contenders the SEC. You just don’t. Ever. The end. So if you are hoping to see Kentucky turn into Tennessee or Alabama or Florida or Auburn before you pass on to your reward, I would just scratch that off my bucket list right now, and find something more likely, like meeting a space alien or something. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree to a degree
It will take work and time, but I think we can build a nationally competitive football program at UK. Being a basketball school has nothing to do with it. I’m not a great fan of Barnhart, but I give him credit for trying to build all the programs at the same time. You just have to set the goals high and give each one what it needs to get there over a reasonable period of time.
We can have a football team that goes 5-3 in the SEC over a 10-year period.
by Fortunatus on Sep 22, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right. I'd love to be proven wrong about that.
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 22, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BREAKING NEWS ALERT
IN CASE NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD ParisGuy of A Sea of Blue IS NOT, I REPEAT IS NOT A RAH RAH FAN.
Please do not panic. Everyone should stay in their homes and avoid the streets. I repeat ParisGuy is not a rah rah fan.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Sep 22, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
darw and neck cracker
Glad to see you’ve gotten the point.
by ParisGuy on Sep 23, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Good Point Truz.
I agree with you Truz. But I still don’t have to like getting a coach who is glorified to the high heavens for going to a bowl that is one of the lowest rated in the bunch.
If you don’t go to a bowl you’re in the minority.
Basketball is our sport. We put multiple millions into buying a coach, so we should be at the top.
Brooks is a fine coach. But there is a lot of fine coaches in this conference. Is he the best Kentucky can get? We won’t know because we went nuts and picked us a ‘coach in waiting’. I’m tickled for Joker. Good for him. I could also be tickled if we went after the best we could get. We won’t know what we could have, but we certainly have an idea of what this staff is capable of. Its all right there, on paper, and we can’t color it any thing but what it is.
by ParisGuy on Sep 22, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… in an absolute sense, you’re completely right. Heck, nobody in the SEC gives us much respect, and while UK fans are in love with going to bowls, even low-quality bowls, that doesn’t mean we’re a particularly good football team. Oh, we’re better than maybe even we show in our SEC record, but the truth is, it’s just dang hard to win a game in the SEC, even against the likes of Mississippi State and Vanderbilt. Mississippi State gets better recruits than we do, they just haven’t dug out of that hole they’re in. Vandy is always going to be a stepchild in football, but they do a lot with what they have.
Is Brooks the best Kentucky can get? Well, maybe not, but he is among the best Kentucky is likely to pay for. UK isn’t going to start paying football coaches 2 million, and I’m gonna say that Brooks is one of the best you could get for just over half that, which is about his salary. Yes, I know UK could afford it if they took some money from basketball, but trust me when I say that I am more likely to flap my arms and fly to Mars than for that to happen.
Let’s face it — Urban Meyer isn’t coming to Kentucky for any amount of money that the school could dream up. Neither is Spurrier, or Richt, or you-name-it. And Joker Phillips is going to be the next head coach. That is absolutely, positively going to happen. He will get at least five years, and my guess is he will have moderate success. But UK is not going out to find a name coach. They tried that several times, and almost every time led to catastrophe — remember Bill Curry?
I really understand what you mean when you say, “Is that the best we can get?” In all honesty, the answer is probably no — if we marshaled our resources, stole money from other sports and squeezed a few boosters, we might be able to get a salary like what Spurrier is making (just under 2 mil). We might even woo a Skip Holtz away from ECU or something like that.
But you also have to consider the tradition. Randy Shannon at Miami is looking like a great coach, but if you brought him up to Kentucky I guarantee you he would have minimal impact. We don’t have the tradition or support for football, and you don’t just grow that overnight, or even over a decade. Kentucky, to most recruits, is the place you come when you want to play in the SEC and none of the other big boys want you. That isn’t going to change if we get a new coach, in my opinion.
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 22, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More reasons . . .
we will not get a headliner coach and/or become a top tier football school are state population, weather and economics. Kentucky does not have a sufficient population to produce the number of recruits needed to drive a school. While it is true that there are some schools in similiar circumstances that have managed to do it, they put all of their eggs in the football basket years ago and have the tradition Tru referred to.
Furthermore, economics will always prevent the sport from growing much as football is downright expensive and Kentucky is made up of 120 counties (too many) which means lots of little schools that do not have the revenue stream to properly support a football program. There is a reason why private schools in Louisville have won pretty much every football championship in Kentucky’s largest class division for the past, oh, twenty years.
Finally, the weather in Kentucky sort of kills year round practice and such that all of our SEC brethren get to have in their high school programs. Most every school in the SEC, not all but most, would be able to make a strong title contending team every year or every other year if they simply kept the best players in their state. Kentucky couldn’t do this even in Basketball.
I would love to see Kentucky go to a Sugar Bowl in my lifetime, but I have learned to be satisfied with lowered expectations for football. 6 to 7 wins every year, competitive with most teams on the schedule and the occasional 8 win season and big upset. I can live with that so long as the Cats play great basketball.
by wklawdog on Sep 22, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can do better
With the 12-game schedule we have 4 non-conference games and 8 conference games. In recent years, we have pretty much been scheduling 4 non-conference wins (Louisville is iffy some years). Our near-term goal should be to consistently win 4 of the 8 conference games. That would give us an 8-4 record each season. That would get us into better bowl games, and that’s what I think would be reasonable.
If we start winning 5 or 6 of the SEC games consistently, then we should schedule some real competition in the non-conference games.
by Fortunatus on Sep 22, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May I Just Say
Rich Brooks is the freaking man!!
by hummer11092 on Sep 22, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
You may. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 22, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brooks is Building the Program
From one perspective, given the number of bowl games currently and with it taking only 6 wins in the expanded 12-game schedule to be bowl eligible, getting to 3 bowl games in a row is not a great accomplishment. It doesn’t measure up to Bear Bryant’s accomplishments when there were far fewer bowls. Not even close. Or to Curci’s record.
But what is impressive is that Rich Brooks — under the current rules and opportunities available — has gotten us into three post-season bowls — and he/we have won all three. How many other schools can say that about their programs over the past three years? At least two of the wins were quality wins over solid programs.
I can’t think of a previous coach who has built a foundation that an incoming coach could build upon. Bryant didn’t do it. Collier, Ray, Curci, Claiborne, Curry, Mummy, Morris — none of them left a foundation for the next coach. In every case, the next coach had to start from anew. (I think Claiborne tried; Curry didn’t appreciate what he inherited.)
After a couple of failures, Brooks seems to have put together a quality coaching staff which is recruiting outstanding athletes. Joker Phillips is top notch. When Brooks walks, the building will continue.
This is the difference I see with Brooks.
by Fortunatus on Sep 22, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love what Brooks has done ...
… and I think Joker will continue to build our program.
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by Truzenzuzex on Sep 22, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Better!!!......A lot of things are riding on it
and a lot of good coaches will be passed by because he is supposed to be the man. I appreciate what UK did, and I understand it……but if he is not what he is billed to be it will be a crippling mistake for a program that has come a long way in the last 15 years…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Sep 23, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least two of the wins were quality wins over solid programs
I would argue that all three were. Remember, ECU had beaten Virginia Tech and West Virginia that year.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Sep 23, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haven't read any comments yet
But I wanted to throw in my thoughts on the matter. Kragthorpe has a deficency in class. After all the players he’s already thrown under the bus, he wants to tell ONE player he’s got his back? Nothing personal against the guy, but that’s not how a coach communicates with his players. Brooks wasn’t going out there telling everybody that he has Locke’s back! He fumbled a KO. The manner in which one does things of that nature speaks volumes. Which I thought Kragthorpe spoke loud and clear. I too was expecting a “I’m a man!” shout at any moment.
When a great nation falls, it falls from within. There is only two ways to do this. One must "take" power by force, or when the other side simply "gives" it to them. me
by blubloodcatfan on Sep 23, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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