Bad Boys......Whatcha' gon' do?
Anyone else sick of waiting for the next sports figure to end up behind bars?? Where does it go from here??
Wildcats do it, Cardinals do it, Gators do it, Gamecocks do it, Buckeyes, Bruins, Longhorns,Aggies, Bengals,Vikings,Celtics,Dodgers,Rangers.....they all do it. WHY???
Sports figures are ending up more and more on the front page of the paper as often as the sports section. And what for? Arrests, breaking the law, wife beating, assault, theft, manslaughter, cruelty to animals, rape. Has this become the legacy of sports figures? Does it take an arrest record to make you a sports superstar anymore?
The answers to these questions and many more rest solely with the athletes themselves. We revere the player, and are expected to excuse the actions of the man. At one time, the athletes could say that a player with a "troubled history" was an exception, an abhorration, not the status quo.
This has all changed. We have current and ex-athletes at UK involved in legal troubles, and most of the situations faced here are miniscule compared to some others. Every day another headline rears its ugly head concerning what a player has done to someone, with someone, or for someone. Tell me there is no way to address this issue of character with these athletes. Do not think that I make this statement lightly, but someone better wake up soon or people are gonna die. Oh wait, that has already happened. Why do the universities continue to tolerate this type of behavior from existing athletes? Why do the professional sports franchises allow a player to become reinstated after they have become convicted and admitted to behavior that would in the "real world" consign an individual to a life of obscurity and shame? Pete Rose was banned from baseball for gambling and lying to the commissioner at that time about it. If he were one of today's 10-15 million a year athletes, he would have been in a treatment program and still being paid for his addiction to gambling. We have thieves, killers( that term is being used in it's broadest sense), rapists, drug users,alcoholics, and common thugs lining up every week on a field or court near you.
When does it stop? Where does it stop? What will dictate the morals of today's sporting community? The only common factor I can see running through all of this is one thing, the money. As long as these athletes represent millions of dollars to their respective teams, managers, companies they endorse, and fans, they will continue to rack up suspended sentences, fines,probations,early releases, reinstatements, and paychecks, if not here then abroad. Sounds like we got just what we asked for in the sports world. So Bad Boys, whatcha' gon' do?
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Sports figures are ending up more and more on the front page of the paper as often as the sports section
In the past, stuff like this was covered up locally. The Herald Leader (better known as the “Yankee Liberal Lie Rag”), broke the mold by ratting out UK under Eddie Sutton. They received awards for that, and since then are being emulated everywhere. On the other hand, even trouble-makers need opportunities, without structure, they will never improve. I thought the college experience was about learning. Shouldn’t troubled kids get opportunities to learn life and academics in a structured emviroment? I appalud Marshall University for giving chances to Randy Moss and Jason Williams even with their checkered past.
Flash...
Ratting out UK
Okay, let me get this straight — The HL “ratted out” UK for breaking NCAA regulations. I suppose you think the HL should have covered up the cheating.
It wasn’t the HL’s fault, it was Eddie Sutton’s fault. Blaming the HL is like blaming the cop for giving you a ticket for going 75 in a 55.
I do agree though that kids deserve second and sometimes third chances. They are, after-all, young people who are more apt to make mistakes, and most times don’t deserve to have opportunities to succeed taken away from them.
Herald Leader
Do you have a better term for it? I wasn’t judging the Herald Leader(for that anyway…), just stating that they set the precedent for exposing the local program.
Flash...
I am all about second chances,
but where does this end? And would any of these people have gotten second chances if they could’nt shoot a ball, catch a pass, or dribble and pass like the wind?? The question becomes how much is enough?? Show me where the line is. I have been all for allowing “indescretions” to be excused, but it seems as though the balloon keeps inflating. None of these people could even pass a background records check for most jobs. are we saying they arent good enough to work at a 9-5 job, but they are ok to draw millions for catching a ball?
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where does this end?
As far as professional sports figures go, I agree with you completely. As far as collegiate athletes go, making mistakes is a part of life. When it comes to violence, there should be no breaks, period. There is the line. In Micheal Vick’s case, the man has served his time. As a dog lover, I find his actions reprehensible, but the man served his time. Part of the uproar over that came from extreme left wing groups who equate animals with humans. Since that group has no moral background, they do not know that the Bible gives dominion over all animals. But, it also preaches Stewardship, which he did not show. There can be forgiveness for all, but who is to decide when there is redemption. I personally am not the one.
Flash...
God Save us
from all left wing groups who have no moral background.
NB: you can delete this post, Tru, but take the one above it with this one.
Signed a left winger who reads the bible.
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coarsening of society?
Society today sees as normal things that in no way would have been accepted in the past. What is right and what is wrong has completely flipped upside down. Since you “read the bible” you may have read: “in the end times, people will be of a reprobate mind, what was good will be evil, what was evil will be good”. To a lot of people in this state who have fundamentalist up-bringing, these signs are everywhere. This is just one aspect of thinking about this. So, even with the increased reporting,due to proliferation of information technologies, because community standards are lower, we get an overall effect of letting a lot go. So, the what IS reported is the most sordid possible stuff.
Flash...
WOW
Ro makes a good point. For many years sports figures inappropriate or illegal behaviors were ignored by the media. Ty Cobb was a notorious ass on and off the field. Babe Ruth was a drinker and womanizer. With the coming of cable tv, espn, blogs, internet, camera phones and technology in general, information has become easily accessible to us all. Our society actually revels in seeing our celebrities and sports figures with problems. Its pretty amazing to me how much actual news coverage is nothing more than sensationalism. Part of the problem is really not the sports figures faults. From very young ages they are held above others and allowed to get away with things that others could not get away with. Consequently, they dont understand that there are consequences to their actions. The fact is they never actually grow up.
Blucat, I think you are making a wide spread generalization about the sports figures of today. How do you know if they could not pass background checks or hold a job?? Do you have some sort of access to every NFL, NBA, NHL, and MLB players transcripts and backgrounds??
Michael Vick was convicted and paid his debt to society. He went to jail for 2 years for gosh sakes. Do you actually think he should not be allowed to play football??? In your real world people convicted of dog fighting would be consigned to a life of obscurity and shame? I dont know what world you live in, but in my world dog fighting would not even make the front page if it was your average joe doing it. Heck, someone convicted of dog fighting would probably just get a slap on the wrist and they certainly wouldnt end up living a life of shame and obscurity. I personally think Vick paid a much bigger debt than most people would have paid just because he was a famous athlete.
We have thieves, killers, rapists, drug users,alcoholics, and common thugs living next to us and down the street. We also have white collar criminals, embezzlers, tax evaders, ponzi schemers, and CEOs of companies robbing their stockholders blind and running their companies into the ground and helping to cause a recession. These people are in every walk of life and not just sports.
Community Standards
I agree with UKTimmy. In the Ky River region I have spent most of my life in, Dogfighting and Cockfighting are accepted parts of life. I don’t like dogfighting, so I do not support it, but I do not judge those involved. It’s more a matter of Liberals coming down from their Northern Ivory Towers and trying to tell the ignorant hillbillies how to live. We have a name for that here , it’s “Carpetbaggers”.
Flash...
Once again
God save us from the liberals.
Community Standards? Morality exists as an eternal truth beyond Community Standards. God gave us dominion over the animals. God didn’t say we could could get our jollies off by pitting them against each other. The word “dominion” in the KJV’s translation of, Genesis 1:26, is usually interpreted by Biblical scholars to mean guardianship or stewardship.
Signed, a proud hillbilly.
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There is no generalization
this stuff is documented everywhere. 20 years ago, even 10 years ago, it was no where near this bad, and making Michael Vick the posterboy for second chances doesnt cut it either. Vick’s crimes, while disgusting to some, pale in comparison and everyone out there with a TV or a computer knows it. Try getting a real job with a felony on your record. I know because I have been subjected to those same background checks for employment in the past. You make a vaild point about Vick, though. He was singled out, and paid dearly for it, but he is the exception, not the rule. Look at the football player who while driving drunk hit a guy and killed him. The world I live in ostracizes individuals for that type of behavior, and since they do not have multi-million dollar contracts, they are then doomed to a life of less than acceptable conditions in most cases.
As to your assessment that it is not their fault, tell me who’s fault it is?? You go out and kill someone while driving drunk, you think you are not going to see prison for a very long time?
You are right about the world we live in, and the fact that these people are in all walks of life, but I do think that there should be a standard that athletes do have to live up to. I may be alone in this, and that’s fine, I can live with my morals all day. But the consequences for their actions ought to be much more effective than they are. It used to be that a lot of these guys were just simply walking reputations, now they seem to want to prove that they fit the stereotype, and I for one don’t like it. And the white collar criminals shouldnt get a pass either. they should be made to work to rebuild what they have destroyed. For free.
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As far as I can tell it is a generalization.
First off, I would like to see that so called documentation. Secondly, there is no documentation from years ago. These things never made the paper. Heck, they didnt even make it to court. Sports figures were given a pass when doing such things as driving drunk or assault. Communities and police were more than happy to look the other way when their heroes committed illegal acts.
I never meant to insinuate that it is not their own fault. All I was trying to say is that there are underlying social circumstances that enables these people actions we dont hold them accountable for their actions starting at a very young age. Ultimately, everyone should be accountable, but it doesnt always happen that way.
Personally, I think athletes are held to a higher standard. I know for a fact most people wont agree with what I am about to say, but I dont feel that you should be punished by your employer for actions that happen in your personal life and dont affect your job performance. If a player gets a DUI then he can be suspended from his employment. By that standard your personal life no longer becomes your personal life. In actuallity, the leagues are doing exactly what you want, Allblu. They hold these guys accountable for their work performance AND their personal decisions outside of work.
Thug Life?
The Hip-Hop lifestyle that is being rammed down our throats is telling these young men to be the biggest gangster. They feel they that have to live up to some kind of thug standard to be the biggest gangster, so to impress their entourage, and get some “street cred”, they must live up to that"hard"standard. That is where educational opportunities may help show them another way, and hopefully, under strong role models, they can develope into productive members of society.
Flash...
Hip Hop responsible?
That’s a wildly speculative, and if Ridge Wilson were white would you feel the same way?
Hip Hop responsible?
All races have fell for the hip-hop lifestyle, so there is no Racial component to my comment. Again, life has flipped upside down. A silly example is that in my wildest dreams I never could have imagined that having your pants down around your knees with your underwear showing would be acceptable let alone in style.
Flash...
people said the same
types of things when rock music gained popularity…the older generation seeing doom for society in the ways of the younger is a complaint as old as the hills.
by blue kentucky girl on Sep 18, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
generation gap?
The difference is that Elvis and Chuck Berry, et all, did not advocate killing the police….
Flash...
yes, but...
The thing is, expressions in art (be it literature, music, whatever) of violence or sexuality or whatever might offend any particular person have always been considered by some to be dangerous and somehow “advocating” the ideas expressed. Does Lolita advocate pedophilia? Does Harry Potter advocate witchcraft? Does Gone with the Wind or Huck Finn advocate slavery or prejudice? Was Elvis’ pelvis advocating premarital sex, or jazz musicians or 60s folk singers advocating drug use? Was Ice-T actually advocating shooting police? Or were all these just creative, sometimes provocative expressions of ideas through art? Now, you may not think that a popular song, expessing undeniably outragous ideas, as being worthy of consideration as “art,” but the same thing has been said about all kind of media throughout the ages.
by blue kentucky girl on Sep 18, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
blue, there are a myriad of responses to the
points you raise, but I am only going to hit on a couple. Advocating can be described in many ways, but the most obvious of these is prolonging exposure to the action which keeps the idea fresh in a person’s mind. Making a casual reference to something in historical context is not advocating it. Making it the focal point of the “art” is. Elvis stage behavior was as he described, “the way he learned the music” his history of blues and his exposure to that culture was not only apparent in the stage movements, it was apparent in his music. Were 60’s music references to drugs and sex and alternative lifestyles “advocating” the behavior, you bet your bottom dollar. The more the culture grew, the more acceptable the behavior became. Ask any sociology professor, the more and more you say a word which may at first seem offensive to you, the less offensive it becomes. Was Ice-T actually advocating shooting police in his music, oh yes. He tried to downplay the lyrics in his music only AFTER he became a mainstream actor/performer/ and the critics started hounding him. As it is, he is now widely considered to be a “pretender” among most of the hip-hop community. I cannot sit here and tell you that I know verbatim that this is what leads to the behaviors that are going on, but I can tell you that it does nothing to stop it, and the more it is referred to, the more it becomes commonplace…..by the way, Lolita has long been considered to have been an expression of repressed pedophilia, and psychological experts have stated that many pedophiles have referenced movies such as that to explain their behavior and stated that they felt as though it was an example of how they felt.
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thanks for the thoughtful response
You never know what you’re going to end up discussing around here : ) I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree about whether Ice-T was actually advocating shooting police on that song. I believe that the song is widely interpreted to be a narrative, simply storytelling, with Ice-T taking the point-of-view of the criminal:
Cop killer, better you than me.
Cop killer, eff police brutality
Cop killer, I know your mommas grieving,
Cop killer, but tonight we get even
To me, this is clearly a story-song from the point of view of a young black man who’s family member has been violently wronged by police brutality, and who thus plots violence in retaliation. Like Johnny Cash bragging that he “shot a man in Reno just to watch him die”— Not advocating doing such a thing, not passing a moral judgment, just telling a story from a marginalized viewpoint. But you certainly aren’t alone in seeing something much more sinister here—goodness knows a whole lot of people freaked out about it back in the day.
by blue kentucky girl on Sep 18, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually Johnny Cash claimed that
line came from seeing a movie called Inside Folsom Prison….and I quote…..“I sat with my pen in hand, trying to think up the worst reason a person could have for killing another person, and that’s what came to mind”….the part no one may be aware of is that he kind of plagiarized the melody and beat of the song……and later had to pay another guy off to settle a lawsuit.
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Sports are a reflection of society
Athletes have always gotten in trouble with the law and they always will.
I was thinking the same thing.
Doesnt there seem to be more violence and lawlessness now than say 30+ years ago. I think our society as a whole has a higher percentage of lawbreakers. Just seems that way to me. I have no facts to back that up.
30+ years ago
Well, I can’t speak for the entire sporting world, but I know of some things that went on in the late 60’s regarding the football team that would curl your toes. Also, it’s a matter of public record that Fran Curci’s regime (‘73-’81) was filled with reckless behavior by some members of the football team.
So if society wants it, does amateur and professional sports turn into
“The Running Man”?
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Ty Cobb, Pete Rose, Mickey Mantle, even Babe Ruth were not perfect role models.
Here’s the kicker though. They didn’t shoot themselves at a night club or torture innocent animals that I know of. A police veteran told me once that gang violence 30 years ago might have involved a knife. Today, the kids bring guns. Are they morally worse than their parents? I doubt it, but the tools are a heck of a lot worse.
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