Can This Summer Be Any More Fun?
by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 9:01 AM EDT
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PrintBilly Gillispie gets arrested last night for suspicion of DUI, and Rick Pitino goes off on a bizarre tirade against the media, after being forced to admit he couldn't keep his pants on after hours in a fancy restaurant six years ago with a woman he just met and Vinnie the Bodyguard watching from his comfortable spot on the floor. John Calipari's Memphis team gets their whole season ripped from the record books. Sports authors around the nation must be wondering what the heck is in the water here in the Commonwealth.
Frankly, I have reached my limit with commenting on scandal. I am tired of defending Calipari for now (let someone else defend him... I've done my bit, and done it way better than any of his detractors), I am tired of commenting on Rick Pitino and his you-couldn't-make-this-up ménage à trois with the media and an emotionally disturbed woman. I am not even going to begin commenting on Billy Gillispie driving around with a drunk person (and possibly two drunk people if you include him) in a Mercedes at 2:30 in the morning. All I can say to Gillispie is this: "Brother, with your history of alcohol and driving, plus the millions you made at Kentucky, you aught to be renting limos every night, or hiring taxicabs."
In the end, there is very little to be said except that the rest of the United States must think Kentucky is a place where crazy people go to live. Our fans are over the top, our coaches are always in trouble or under suspicion of something. On the bright side, we have not yet been accused of having anything to do with the death of Michael Jackson. And John Wall is getting ready to dominate this year, and getting 4.0's in summer school.
A silver lining to every cloud, that's how we do it here in the Bluegrass.
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Someone needs to check on Tubby
You know, since every other ex-UK coach has been going nuts…..
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
I Got An E-Mail From Him Just Last Week
He congratulated my stepdaughter on the birth of her 4th child (my granddaughter) this month.
He’s doing fine. So is his family.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 27, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He darn sure never embarrassed us.
Never.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
This has been the absolute craziest offseason in the history of modern basketball here in Kentucky.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
Bilas had a nice little blog entry defending Cal yesterday.
It’s linked on KSR if anyone wants to check it out.
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It's an insider article.
I read some synopsis. Bilas, I think, is a lawyer, and it looked like that kind of reasoning.
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Yes, he is a lawyer, with Moore & VanAllen
http://www.mvalaw.com/professionals-30.html
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
i am with pitino on this....
if the police have decided not to prosecute, the media does not need to keep broadcasting the tapes.
my wife – who is usually very hard on men that act like pitino – saw the news last night here in memphis and even said the press should let it go if the prosecutor is not going to do anything.
he may not have handled it the best but he may not have had any choice but to go on the offensive..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
"It's news, isn't it?"
Said Paul Newman to Sally Field in Absence of Malice.
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maybe so...
just glad i do not have to make my living slinging that crap.
again, it would be a different story (to me) if the police were pursuing it.
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it is absolutely on point
She is being charged with a crime, allegedly committed against a high profile member of the community. What she has said to the police (the accusations that were the source of the alleged extortion) are absolutely germane to the story.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
If this is not Rick Pitino, it would already be done and settled.
With or without a jail sentence, it would be done. Probably years ago. The fact that it stayed quiet for so long only adds to the questions concerning BOTH sides of the case.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
That's dumb.
It’s extortion and lying to the FBI. That only happened months ago…not years ago.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
maybe, but i thought the transcripts had been released
so i thought it a bit much that the video alleging the rape was shown – or shown by a break-in to current programming.
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
A break-in to current programming is a bit much, for crying out loud. I thought you only “broke in” to programming for a developing, live story. Not a taped story. I can see why Pitino would be pissed. It wasn’t even a slow news day. Personally, I think Pitino scored points. Some say the news conference added fuel to the fire. Probably. But Pitino didn’t start this chapter. The tapes were a non-story, really. They were shown for nothing other than sensationalism. The television station (I assume it was WDRB?) was wrong on this. Air it on your nightly newscast if you have to, but don’t think it’s breaking news.
No matter where you're at, there you are
Is that the standard now???
Just because the press gets hands on a tape they should broadcast it? Even if the tape is full of lies and fabrications? Good grief.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Her credibility is an issue
By showing the live tapes, the TV station gives viewers an opportunity to assess her credibility and come to their own conclusions.
(That’s their story, and they are going to stick to it.)
i agree with you hoze
but i also believe that the criticism of Cal is overboard and unfair given there is no proof of him doing anything wrong…
just trying to be consistent….
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, they should
“Lies and fabrications” are still TBD in a court of law, no matter what we might believe as internet heroes. A police tape including accusations leveled against Pitino (which have at least a kernel of truth, as Pitino admits) is absolutely news.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
Okay, then lets fire all the editors.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Settle down, Beavis
You red-colored glasses are distorting your view.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
Oh...of course your view is crystal clear, Butthead. What a laugh.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Absolutely, now you're getting it.
Keep stopping by here; we’ll make sure you are properly educated. :)
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
It isn't that they should.
It’s that they will. And a morally compromised person lecturing the press on the morality of releasing news just doesn’t really seem to be a very good idea to me.
Your mileage may vary.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric Crawford ...
… gets it so incredibly right:
But these are discussions he’d [Pitino] have been better off to have with individual news executives, not in front of the nation. When you tell the public that everything in a story has been a lie except what you have said about it, they’re never going to believe you. To set yourself up as the only source of truth is a losing proposition.
Boom! goes the dynamite. Exactly what I told my wife yesterday.
Pitino is right to be angry, but setting himself up as the sole repository of the truth after allowing the public to believe there was nothing there for months, then admitting a one-nighter after hours in a fancy restaurant with Vinnie the Bodyguard watching is going to put a tiny little dent in your credibility — something that’s really important to have intact when you become the sole repository of the truth about… well, anything.
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Baloney.
So what is the alternative? Sitting back and ‘allowing’ the press to release all the bull*hit she spewed in these tapes that drove the extortion and lying to the FBI charges? I don’t see much downside for standing up to the ‘evil’ press.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Fuel on the fire
The showing of the tapes was a local TV story only. The newspapers had already reported on the contents of the tapes. Pitino’s news conference made it a national story for all media. Right here in late summer right before Labor Day when nothing much is happening in any news area (government, sports, business). Rick is not a very good tactician with the media; I don’t think he understands the game and won’t listen to those who do.
Rick is not a very good tactician with the media?
You’re kidding right?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Nobody's perfect.
This just illustrates the fact that even the most media savvy can be blinded by rage.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't heard from a single media member, national or local, who thought this was a good idea.
Even Pitino’s hetero lifemate, Pat Forde, said he thought this was ill-advised.
I have no idea what he gained from that press conference yesterday, other than placing this story back at the top of the national sports media’s docket. He got a chance to tell everyone, again, that she is a liar and that he is telling the truth? Didn’t we already know this?
I haven’t spoken to or seen anyone who believes that Pitino raped Sypher, and yet it’s as if he thinks that everyone in the country is walking around believing every word she says.
The ridiculously misplaced self-righteousness, the repeated invocation of Ted Kennedy’s death (which segued nicely from his invocation of 9-11 in his original news conference), and his decree that everyone should shut up because everything he says is true and everything anyone else says is false wasn’t really the best way to get anyone who doesn’t fly red to feel sorry for him. In fact, it did the opposite for me: i feel less sorry for him.
by BBallSophist on Aug 27, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Word.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with just about everything you said....
I find it quite refreshing to hear a coach tell the collective to sit and spin. Of course, he will not win this argument because the media outnumber him and they have 24 hour access to ridicule him.
I could truly care less about any of this story and truly hope we can let it go and move on to more UK related conversation. Yeah Right!!!
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
Oh, wow....what a shocker!!
You mean the media is defending it’s own actions? Who woulda thunk it?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Point is..........
he handled it very badly…………very badly. Two things he said that stuck out to me:
1. Talked about how upset he was because Sypher is going to have to get a psychological evaluation and how he needs the trial to be over. Yeah, so he can forget about this and coach some ball. Came across as cold and callous to me.
2. When he talked about moving on to more important things like the economy…..more crucial things like basketball. Are you serious? Crucial things like basketball? Ask the poor jobless folks who don’t make millions coaching ball how they feel about that statement. Once again cold and callous.
Other things he said didn’t make sense either. He should have just kept his mouth shut or let his attorney handled it. Don’t blame him for being upset, but he looked and sounded like a real fool……..
If I had been Jurich, I would have told him 2 things before
he walked out in front of those cameras…..
1) If you go out there, you’re fired
2)See #1
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
Sure, one can always do better.
But in the grand scheme, at least I don’t see this ‘hurting’ him, as some would suggest. The media in general has few defenders…regardless on what you read from the print media.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Okay, well ...
… we’ll just agree to disagree about that. You may be right, I don’t know.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
Pitino cheats on his wife, pays off a lady to have an abortion and it’s the media that needs to defend itself…yeah, right.
Didn't write that they NEEDED to.
I find it ironic that peoples’ opinions are swayed by the same media that Pitino was criticizing. Get it?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
I know what you mean
But Pitino needs to realize he’s a public figure, he brought this on himself, and basically any detail about the investigation is food for thought. I really don’t think he raped her or anything like that, but still, when he filed the charges he should have known the media crap storm was coming.
Right.
Which is why it was such a great idea to come out and blast them…
Like I said, he achieved nothing except putting the story back on the front page.
Besides, was he attacking SI, the Herald-Leader, the CJ, Dan Patrick, ESPN, Beyond the Arc, the New York Times, Yahoo, the Kansas City Star, Sporting News, and all of the other publications and columnists I missed who thought this was a bad idea? They are all now committing ink, megapixels, and air time to this story because of the news conference, and most of them are focusing on how bad an idea it was.
http://voices.kansascity.com/node/5612
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/michael_rosenberg/08/27/rick.pitino/
http://beyondthearc.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/08/26/2045840.aspx
http://www.kentucky.com/232/story/910286.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/sports/28leading.html
Please explain to me why you think this was a good press conference?
by BBallSophist on Aug 27, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want your own personal opinion to be dictated or formed by the media, fine by me. Have at it.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Dont let the liberal media tell you how to think and feel!!!
If you got hate in your heart let it out.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
Haha.
“This vapid Hozeking comment devoid of any substance and completely missing the point is brought to you by Straw Man.
Straw Man! When your argument has absolutely no legs to stand on, just stick it on your man, Straw Man! He’s the man!"
by BBallSophist on Aug 27, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That was funny.
I’m glad I didn’t have anything in my mouth. Or rather, my poor monitor is glad. :-)
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Who dictates your opinion?
Surely not Pitino who has misled and contradicted throughout this mess and is now the only source of the truth.
Trust me.
There is. If you can’t figure it out, you’d better go ask somebody.
Pitino’s credibility with the public is less than it was. That’s a fact. Now he complains that every word he is spoken is the truth and every word she has spoken is a lie?
Seriously, we already know that she is telling the truth, at least in part. So is Pitino, at least in part. The rest is he said-she said.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
guess i am in the minority
and i have to admit i only saw clips of his press conf down here, but my sympathy for him actually went up. admitedly, it might have gone up more if he had left it alone but knowing the press released the tapes makes me more sympathetic – when is enough, enough
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That's funny.
I am at the total opposite end of that spectrum. I thought he looked like a crazy person and came across ridiculously arrogant. I thought it was a bad move in every aspect.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 27, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks -
guess if i really cared, i would watch it all on the internet – but i don’t
at least i realize i did not see the entire presser – guess i ought to just get back to work :)
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You are in the minority.
I want to have sympathy for him, but I can’t muster too much. Sypher had her say, and the media was always going to report it. They feel that especially now, after their weak effort to follow up on the original story and letting Pitino’s accusation that she was a crazy woman hang out there for two months, they have to avoid looking like they are in the tank for Pitino.
That’s what I believe, anyway. It may not be right, but that’s how I see it.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
that's fair
all i saw him say was that on a day that ted kenedy died, the louisville media breaks in with the tapes – given that was all i saw and the fact that the tapes took place after the failed extortion attempt, i could sympathize(or is it empathize) with him for he was mad at the media…..
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly ...
… with all due respect to Teddy Kennedy, in Kentucky, the Pitino case is much more “news” than Kennedy is. I know a lot of people loved Kennedy, and most of his opponents respected him, but in all honesty, I don’t fault the media for the decision to break in with a news story.
I do question whether this was really worthy of that break-in, but I don’t get paid to make those decisions. As a judgment call, it can be second-guessed, but in my opinion, it wasn’t grotesquely stupid.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
if so, then that is a sad commentary on our society...
when a respected statesman of his stature dies and it is less news than the release of some tapes of the sort that were released…and i make my comment as one who did not agree with his political positions on most issues…..
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm kinda thinking you'd feel different if something similar happened to you.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Probably.
The person affected is by far the least likely to see it from a dispassionate viewpoint.
That’s why you hire others to make these kinds of decisions, and don’t ignore their sage advice.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well that is assuming he was counseled in not going out...but,
…we don’t really know that do we? For all we know, this could have been a well thought out ploy. Who knows?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Somebody ...
… reported yesterday on the radio that he acted against the advice of his attorney. I know Steve Pence a little, and I would be shocked if he was OK with this.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Eureka!
By jove, I think he’s got it! A “well thought out ploy” on RP’s part is in my opinion very obvious. The one thing Pitino is not is stupid, except where fatal attractions are concerned. Pitino is well trained in this type of war-fare and even mentioned his intentions of joining the ranks of his enemies someday. If the man wants the media to shut up and leave him and his family alone, why would he throw gas on this fire???? No way that’s happening now. This was either incredibly stupid on his part, or planned out. I don’t think the former is even on the table. Loosen your panty hoze there big red, the blood isn’t getting to the gray matter.
When a great nation falls, it falls from within. There is only two ways to do this. One must "take" power by force, or when the other side simply "gives" it to them. me
by blubloodcatfan on Aug 27, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Man!
Your good BO! I even spelled out the panty hoze!!!
When a great nation falls, it falls from within. There is only two ways to do this. One must "take" power by force, or when the other side simply "gives" it to them. me
by blubloodcatfan on Aug 28, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
100% agree
As it was posted before (can’t remember by whom), no one really believes her (rape) allegations anyway. Pitino should have just ignored it, rather than fanning the flames.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -Inigo Montoya
Indeed.
That’s all there is. I don’t believe he raped anybody, and I believe Sypher’s allegations to be false in all material aspects but two – they did the dirty in the restaurant and he paid her $3000 for … whatever.
The rest, I just dispose as the rantings of an emotionally troubled person. But Pitino may have spurred her credibility with some by his over-the-top comments, or at the very least, lessened his own.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly... I had completely forgotten the rape allegations
I was watching the clip last night on the news with my fiance and heard him say over and over that every word was a lie. I looked at Kelly and asked “What’s he talking about? He admitted to the affair and paying for the abortion?” She reminded me of the rape.
That’s how big a deal this was for me and I would think most people. Prior to his conference yesterday, I think most people had kind of swept it under the rug.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
If Pitino were Kraigthorpe
He would have been fired the day after the story broke, if not the day of. It’s a constant message in college sports these days, and one that’s been around in the pros for quite sometime. If you win, we don’t care. Basically that’s the message Louisville sent by keeping Pitino. Cheat on your wife, have an abortion shun your commitments, who cares? Just get us to the final four. Nevermind you’re supposed to be an example. This will bite the Cards yet, just as our new hire might too. Sorry Tru, i still feel that way. Hope I’m wrong.
Or it could be...
…recognition that Pitino has been at UofL for 8 long years and has done a lot of good for the school, players, community, etc. It’s called goodwill. He has built a lot of it up. I don’t think it is such a bad thing to review a discretion or a mistake against many good years of ‘service’ and deeds. It’s not just about wins and losses.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Tell that to...
Kraigthorpe. He will be relieved to know that if he doesn’t get a lot more wins this year, especially one over Kentucky, he can go have an indiscretion in a public facility and still enjoy the full support of the fans and administration.
OMG
I have said this before and I know I am in the minority. So, by your way of thinking, if a person commits adultery they should be fired from their job?? It is a personal matter between Ricky, his wife, family and friends. This has very little to do with his employment. Sports figures should not be role models! I am sure you are employed Daniel. If you get a DUI on your personal time and it in no way negatively affects your job, should you be fired? I think sports figures are held to an inequitable standard unfairly. This has had a trickle down effect to the real world. Some companies are now holding their employees to this type of standard.
The administration at UL has already decided that he did not violate the morality clause so that is no reason to fire him. BTW, I dont condone adultery or DUIs. I feel that in todays society the media and the technology that allows us easy access to peoples personal lives has caused us as a society to be highly and unfairly judgemental on personal matters that we really have no business judging or even being aware of the private events that have transpired.
I so agree uktimmy
I feel the same way about drug tests too, unless you do a job where it could directly affect the safety of others, such as airline pilot.
by blue kentucky girl on Aug 27, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You are who you work for
You represent who you work for at all times in the public eye. IMO there isnt any seperating it. Sure do what you want in private but the RP situation isnt private anymore. If I got a a DUI and it was widely known to the people that I see everyd day you can bet that it would be an issue to my employer.
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hmm
Well, I dont think what happens in your private life should be made public in the first place. I dont think your job should define who you are and if you do a good job for your company that should be the only repesentation that should concern your employer.
Private life made public
It happens though sometimes and clearly happened here. Im not saying that your job defines you but in one’s behavior in public affects your job and when your private life becomes public it does the same.
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Can't say that I agree with you UKTimmy.
This went from being a personal matter in the Pitino family the day it hit the front page of the Courier Journal. At that point, it became a matter that the public would look at and as Rick is the most recognizable face of UofL, his embarrassment is their embarrassment.
UKTimmy
You made my point for me. This does impact his job. How can he seriously talk to players about commitment? If I had been a star bball player, my mom wouldn’t have let pitino in the house. I’m sure other mothers feel the same. Does anybody here seriously believe if this had come out about a UK or IU head bball coach, that he wouldn’t be fired? I think so, because L’ville is a city school and UK encompasses the whole state. And despite how liberal lexington and l’ville may be, that dog doesn’t hunt about anywhere else in the Commonwealth.
And to answer your question, yes. I’m a journalist and if I’m arrested for basically anything, I get canned. There’s a lot of things you can do that aren’t illegal that will cost you your job. Don’t believe me? Go to work today and tell your boss to kiss your ass.
you obviously miss the point
For a journalist, you dont read and comprehed too well. You are right I have made my point. BTW, I asked SHOULD you be fired? Not will you.
Standards
If civilian companies have standards and these standards are specifically outlined when a new employee is hired, I don’t see why it is a bad thing. If I get a DUI or commit adultry, I will not only be prosecuted for it, my. Career will be impacted as well! To be honest if I ran my own business, if my employee(s) do something that brings any negative publicity to me, or my company they would fired.
by shepslaw on Aug 28, 2009 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, If you are the married face of a major college basketball program
and you nail another woman after hours in a public place and try to keep it quiet, then give her the money she is going to use to get an abortion, and then it all becomes public later………you should be fired….
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
I disagree AllbluCat and
as I said in the very beginning I am sure I am in the minority. That is not what Shepslaw is saying. By his “standards” everybody should be fired from their job if they get a DUI or commit adultery, their boss finds out, and whether it does not affect their job performance negatively. Allblucat, you might want to read my original post titled OMG. I hope I never have a fascist boss like Shepslaw.
Did you notice the story this week about players who are
getting suspended by the NBA for their DRIVING RECORDS?? Employers have a right to not have their companies placed in a negative light by the actions of their employees. If I do something, ANYTHING that my company deems to be inappropriate, they can jerk my contract without notice. I signed that contract, and as much as I dont like it, it keeps me very cognizant of my behavior. Rick signed the same type of contract, he was EXTREMELY lucky that his employer chose not to exercise the option.
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It's a swing and a miss.
He was made at the MEDIA. It’s not so much about her crazed words or story, but of the media who keeps it ‘on the front page’. Thereby making it tough to sit back, take it, and ignore.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 27, 2009 9:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
well spitino sure didn't help
the cause by having a press conference. that’s going to keep it on the front page no matter what.
I agree the media are a bunch of whores themselves and jump at any opportunity to report SOMETHING, ANYTHING!!!
If spitino were so damn smart and savvy he would have known that his press conference was a BAD IDEA. It sounds like his emotions got the better of him. “That bi%@h is trashing my name out there and I’M GONNA DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!”. He would have been better off had he said NOTHING!!!!
I leave you with some quotes that spitino should have heeded:
“Someone who is too insistent on his own views finds few to agree with him.” Lao-Tzu
(Let Syphilis keep talking….eventually people and the media will get tired of it)
“If you are patient in one moment of anger, you will escape a hundred days of sorrow.” Chinese Proverb
(No need to respond to Syphilis cause now you done got the pot stirred up again and that only helps her)
“We cannot control the evil tongues of others, but a good life enables us to disregard them.” Cato the Elder
(If spitino were so damn noble he wouldn’t be concerned with what others say)
GO BIG BLUE!!!!
I LOVE COOKING WITH WINE
Sometimes I even put it in the food.
I got it just making a dig at at you as you seem to like reprimanding others for their spelling.
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Well good for you.....I just gave you a 'virtual cookie'.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
Actually the Attorney General and local authorities back him up, too
It’s not just Coach Pitino telling us that Sypher’s side in this story is a lie. I do not see Rick saying he is the sole source of truth. The Attorney General does not go after jaywalkers. I agree with Rick, here. He’s earned a good deal of my respect for him with his news conference. He’s saying he made some mistakes that he will have have to live with for the rest of his life. And he’s saying the rest is crap. And the authorities agree too. He’s saying back off. I agree. Let the trial begin.
Granted he did his best to keep this quiet these past few months. Wouldn’t you?
No matter where you're at, there you are
Truth or not, has no bearing here, YET. The truth can have different sides
The truth is that they had sex…..the question is in whether or not it was consensual….The case is in whether or not she tried to blackmail Pitino…Right now this is STILL an ongoing case…..no one talks….no one…..I dont care how mad you get you do not say things that can get a case messed up for a jury….all that the Attorney General found was that there was not sufficient EVIDENCE to warrant a case for rape. It has been 6 years….evidence has a way of disappearing…..or being manipulated….I am not saying that RP did that, I am only saying that there is a lot of this that is simply going to be he said- she said…..
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evidence disappears?
there is no evidence. Am I wrong in saying that she only filed rape charges a few months ago and AFTER rick did not give into extortion?
i think rape should be prosecuted even if it happened 6 years ago, but she did not even make a claim until now. if the tapes were from her police interview 6 years ago, i say fair game – however, they are not……
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
That is my point exactly
today, 6 years later….there is no evidence…..6 yrs ago, there could have been…..another witness seeing something else ( not necessarily the rape). Physical evidence of some kind or another…..someone can forget something they saw that might help….that type of thing….crap…I cannot even remember what I was doing last week at a certain time, much less 6 years ago.
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i guess i was really referring more to the timeline
of waiting six years to allege rape and the fact that it was after the extortion attempt failed.
understanding the timeline does not even allow me to move to a discussion of what evidence might or might not be available…
same with you on remembering last week – much less 6 yr ago….
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not what Pitino said.
He said that all her story was a lie. We don’t know that. Neither does the AG, nor did they say it was. What they said was that her story had credibility problems and that she had no proof of her allegations. That’s not the same thing.
The problem is, tPitino has made everyone ask more questions of him, and why? He needs to hunker down, let his lawyer do his talking, and concentrate on basketball. If his lawyer had released a statement saying, in essence, that her story had not convinced anyone in law enforcement, that would have been plenty.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
would like to agree with you,
but he may be in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation -
if he was not saying anything, some would say he is hiding something and ask why he would not defend himself? they would ask why he was hiding behind a lawyer.
bottomline is – keep your pants on…..
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by memphis wildcat on Aug 27, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah.
That’s always a real good idea.
My take is, if he ignored it or released a simple statement that law enforcement had adjudged Sypher not to be credible, the columnists and what-not would have defended him. Now they are mocking him.
Foolish, IMO.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
In a totally non-related story
I am today starting a school for new millionaires, persons who are being thrust into the spotlight, and all professional and college sports figures.
The “Don’t Get Caught Doing Anything Stupid” series of classes will be available in classroom format or online from the my newly formed, Common Sense Academy.
Cost is 999.00 per hour for the 6 hour series. Sign up now and avoid the rush. I now the cost is high, but look what the alternative can cost you……
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Haha.....I mentioned this years ago.
Someone at ESPN or any of the other big media outlets should write a guidebook on how to handle controversial situations etc. Because a common theme from athletes that get in trouble is that the media is always quick to tell that athlete what he should say, when he should say it, how he should say it, in what forum he should say it, on so forth. Because everytime an athlete has a press conference those same media types go on and on about how they didn’t do enough, waited too long to say anything, weren’t contrite enough, etc. etc. etc. In other words, athletes need a guideline so that all the Public Relations Experts that are the media will be happy. Because it certainly isn’t enough that an athlete apologizes and says his side.
(tongue firmly in cheek)
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Guidebook?
A pamphlet will suffice:
1. Shut the hell up
2. Stay home except visits to family and church
3. Do not answer phone
#1 will never work....
because the media believes they deserve ALL the answers to every aspect of the situation. And if an athlete is not speaking out, the media makes it clear that he owes it to everyone to hold a press conference and either vehemently deny whatever it is or fall on their sword and beg forgiveness. The irony is that once that athlete does this the media is quick to tell everyone how they didn’t do enough etc.
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More Visa commercials
Mercedes Benz 560SL 79,900 -300.00
Round of Golf at local country club-59.00
Dinner and Drinks afterward
Cost of calling a cab after having a few too many for he road – Priceless………
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Heh.
Very funny. I expect there will be a lot of these going around. :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of BCG...
Why does Billy Clyde even live in Kentucky, let alone drive drunk through it? Even I don’t like the guy (I’ll abide by the rules of the site and leave it at that).
I do think, however, that UK needs to pay the man the money they owe him, and even more importantly, stop using taxpayer money to fight him in court. Really, my taxes are being used to save a rich athletic department a few million dollars? Dip into the t-shirt revenue and pay him!
by don'tshootmei'macard on Aug 27, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
He no longer lives here
he was in town negotiating that contract settlement…..
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Why Anderson Co?
There is absolutley no reason to be in Lawrenceburg driving around drunk ad 2am. There isnt anything there. What was he doing….hanging out in the wal mart parking lot with all the other partiers?
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Why driving drunk anywhere???.....lol
He told the cop that he had been playing golf?Maybe he was lost…..he thought that he was on the road back to Texas….?
Who Knows??
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No doubt
Negotiations were hung up on trying to get a case of bourbon/week for life added to the settlement.
ME
I am so sick to death of all this garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have heard all my life, garbage in—garbage out!!!
Please tell me why ??? WHY are we still discussing this JUNK? I have a hard time following Football (as I have said before) but at least it is something else to discuss. I very happy about WALL and would very happy to discuss anything——even the weather—-rather than to discuss Coaches of the Past!! Let’s live for TODAY and our future glories!!!!!!! Put it to BED and SHUT THE DOOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by kentuckystrong on Aug 27, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions
Because ...
… we must. I am tired of it too, but unfortunately, I am not granted the luxury of ignoring it.
I pray that we can move on very soon.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'll be there
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Me to. Very excited.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
As for Pitino...
He needs to handle things differently. I understand his anger, but that press conference was missing something. He needs ex-Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy by his side.
Think about it. Dungy is the Gandhi of rehabilitation these days. Rick should have sat back and looked remorseful while Dungy did his talking for him.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Aug 27, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
Heh.
Good idea. You should have emailed him and told him to bring in Dungy. It probably would have worked. :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: don'tshoot
I was thinking nearly the same thing as you, only I thought that he needs a publicist who can guide him on when to speak-out, and what to say, because right now he’s sitting at 0-2. Who is Tom Cruise’s ex-publicist, she’s supposed to be the best in the business …
I don’t blame him for being upset, but as someone else noted, this would have been best handled by voicing his displeasure to the station GM (not that that would do any good).
I’m not taking a cheap shot at RP with this but — He is under extreme pressure at the moment, and his history of making sound decisions under pressure is not good. It’s one of the aspects of his coaching that keeps him from being truly great. One can go back to the decision he made in the Duke game over 15 years ago, the Marquette loss in the NCAA Tourney in ‘94 (I believe), his decisions in Boston (after his first year), and now this. When he’s under pressure he has a tendency to make mistakes, which in reality only proves he’s human.
As far as Clyde is concerned — He’s probably just killed any chance of him getting a decent (mid-major or higher) J.O.B. within college basketball, at least for a while. One has to wonder about his decision-making. This only perpetuates the rep he has, and that ain’t good.
I know this is going to sound crazy, but if Pitino had taken a little bit different tact with
that press conference, he could have really turned it to his advantage. Had he of come out there, and told the press corps that they could be damaging the case against Sypher by airing things that people see who might be jurors, and asked them to please stop doing anything that could taint the jury pool, or cause the case to be derailed, he probably could have gotten them to do anything he asked. He has the ability to spin lead into gold when he puts his mind to it. He just let his mouth write a check his butt has to cash.
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I can not express enough how happy I am that UK got rid of Gillespie....
I’ll keep the rest of my thoughts about him to myself.
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Heh.
One thing’s for sure – better now than 12 months ago. :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Did any of this break any NCAA rules???
I just wanted to know if we could blame them for anything today…… :-}
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Didn't break any NCAA rules, but....
Universal Sports Media Guideline – Basketball Edition. Section 138, Subsection S, Article 4, Paragraph iv, Part 3
“When any person(s), group(s), association(s) or former player(s), coach(es), student(s), human(s), subhuman(s) are accused, rumored or discussed to have broached any law, covenant, guideline, commandment or code and said subject is in any way affiliated with, or knows of the University of Kentucky it is incumbent to blame John Calipari.”
Speaking of John Wall...
I wonder if the NCAA is going to even try and sniff around John Wall. I saw that Andy Katz mentioned something about the NCAA poking around his “case”.
Why? I’d say bring it on, it’ll make #8 look that much more legitimate. Kid is smart.
That came from Seth Davis, not Katz.
Believe Davis at your own peril. :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Miller ...
… gets the Pitino thing right.
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CAN'T WAIT
for basketball season to get here!!!!
We really need some new stuff to talk about on here.
So who is it that Cal wants to punch?
One minute on Wednesday, Calipari said he didn’t pay attention to the barbs. The next, he discussed how painful the situation has been for his family. His angst was evident when asked about the way he’s been portrayed by the media.
"There’s [one] guy I don’t like," Calipari said. "I know he’s a scoundrel. If I keep reading it, I’m going to punch him right in his mouth if I see him. So I’m better [off] not reading it."
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=jn-calipari082809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
My money's on Forde
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
I say the Calkins guy from Memphis
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Ooooh
Good point. He’s been pretty viscious. Even moreso than Forde.
Some of his comments would border on the downright libelous if Cal weren’t a public figure.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Yeah, Cal must have nailed his wife at an Italian resturant or something
oops…..wrong guy
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
I'll bet it was Calkins.
Calipari needs to either sue the guy or forget him. Nobody admires a thin-skinned coach.
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I don't know which is worse...
.
the fact that I find it oddly compelling, but not satisfying, to watch a former media maestro starting to come unglued right before our eyes…
or the fact that RP’s press conferences have now become one of my sources for learning of major national news stories.
“Good afternoon. She always lies. I always tell the truth. And now for the news…. today Ted Kennedy…..”
by Sonic on Aug 27, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t know any other way to take that bizarre video (….. Pitino’s—- not Sypher’s…)
Like roughly 98% of people across the country I didn’t even bother to take the time to click on Sypher’s video. Calculate in the fact that of the 2% who did, almost none of them would actually believe what she was saying, and you have a figure of 99.7% representing people who either didn’t care about her video, or didn’t believe it…
Heck, I am among a percentage of people who didn’t even know about it until Pitino’s wig out session…
by Sonic on Aug 27, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That January 2 game against Louisville....
could end up having about as many twists and turns and convoluted story lines as an episode of ‘Lost’. And just about as many characters.
Only with Ashley Judd instead of Evangeline Lilly…
by Sonic on Aug 27, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Mark Krebs
Glad he got the scholarship from Calipari. Does anyone know if CC has ever given a walk-on a scholarship before? Krebs must have really impressed the coaching staff.
Almost Like A Rap
I’m just sayin’ I do not write rap but if I did ….
One, two three and back to two Coach P and Billy G is in the news
Cal bout to rip thinks up and don’t you know that my homies on the flo’ in 40204 while G in the Benzie sippin’ gin and juice got his mind on his money and his money on his mind….
OK sorry bout that
why does that give me visions of
the movie “White Chicks”???…..lol
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Ok
It’s football time in the Bluegrass. I just saw a video today on the guys at the pool.
http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/081109aaa.html
It’s funny and I was glad to see the team having fun. Fonzo does a good job.
Hope the link works.
Ignoring The Irrelevant
Haven’t commented on Pitino/Sypher and Memphis/Rose in last few weeks and I have two very good reasons:
1) Traveling in Central and South America with limited access to Internet and limited time as well. What time I had I devoted primarily to FB practice and recruiting with a nod toward the BB schedule.
2) Both the subjects were relevant to UK in only the most tenuous of fashions.
Had time and geography been different I might have alloted more attention but I’d like to think not. Paraphrasing the acid-penned Gore Vidal:
"The last best hope of earth, trillions of dollars in debt, is spinning out of control, and all we can do is stare at a flickering cathode-ray tube as Pitino rants on TV, bloggers feel compelled to comment, and the press, resolutely irrelevant as ever, asks politicians if they have committed adultery. This continues to be, my fellow countrymen, a perfect nightmare."
"The foundation of national morality must be laid in private families. ... Public virtue cannot exist in a nation without private, and public virtue is the only foundation of republics." --John Adams
Gore Vidal???
God, man. Have you no shame?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 27, 2009 9:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I promise you this
next elections, I’m writin you in!! In most law schools they teach you “when you don’t have a good defense, scream at the plaintiff”! Or in other words, do a “Pitino”! This is just for you my friend. Give you some mental manna. The three branches of government were patterned after a certain scripture! Imagine that! Charles Louis de Secondat, the baron of Montesquieu wrote a book called “the spirit of the laws”, and it was the primarily used piece of literature of our framers. The verse is found in Isaiah, 33:22. I know, I know, this isn’t sports, but WW is a valuable commodity around here. We need to throw him a t-bone every once in a while. I did mention Pitino once. Oooops, now that’s twice.
When a great nation falls, it falls from within. There is only two ways to do this. One must "take" power by force, or when the other side simply "gives" it to them. me
by blubloodcatfan on Aug 28, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
More trouble
http://www.cardchronicle.com/2009/8/28/1005544/luke-whitehead-has-also-seen
Looks like Luke Whitehead got popped………
rimshot
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
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