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Rich Brooks sez, "We're closing in on the first game. Let's get loud!"

Well, as my workload reaches its peak, I admit to floundering a bit, and ask for patience.  I expect that in two weeks, I'll be out from under this crushing mess and back to a more normal schedule of actual daily news posts.  For now, though, you will have to bear with me.

The Washington Post had this very interesting piece the other day about the difficulties created when bloggers and other on-line purveyors of team information and fan sites, who by their nature are usually fans of a particular team, become credentialed media.  The article focuses on recruiting issues, and they are fairly serious.

The NCAA forbids "boosters," which it very loosely defines, from speaking to recruits.  The problem is the definition of a booster can include almost anybody who likes that particular team, and a fan site operator would certainly meet that definition.  The article seems to conclude that most, but not all, Rivals.com and Scout.com sites qualify as "credentialed media," although for old-media types like the Washington Post to be passing judgment on what is and is not legitimate in new media strikes me as a bit like putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.

Here are the concerns the article raises:

  • Fans being credentialed as media members and using the subsequent access to recruit athletes through the back door.  Although the thrust of the article is aimed at new media and non-traditional journalists, it is pretty clear that some traditional journalists may be engaging in the same activity.
  • These credentialed "semi-media" acting as "runners."  Runners are people who de facto represent a coaching staff during periods where direct contact is forbidden, or must be initiated by the recruit (essentially what William Wesley has been accused of being for Calipari).

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This is a very difficult subject.  Many new media members do engage in actual journalism and adhere to a code of ethics that wold forbid them from any recruiting or "running" activities.  Given that, it's hard to understand why they would not be granted media credentials.  As an aside, A Sea of Blue's policy is that we are a bloggers, not journalists.  Even though we adhere to a code of ethics, we do not wish to be "credentialed media" (at least, not now) and are happy being purveyors of opinion and insight.

But the ones who are doing these nefarious things give the entire new media a bad name, and that is something the old media is more than happy to exploit with articles like this.  I am not criticizing the Post for running it -- it is a good story about a subject that needs to be in the national sports discussion.  But it serves the dual purpose of advancing the old media's agenda, and the likelihood of a conflict of interest here is extremely high.

But whatever the motivation, it it worth noting that a Kentucky site, True Blue Kentucky, was mentioned there, and it was mentioned in a way that was intended to leave the impression that they belonged to the group that was engaging in de facto recruiting.  The owner of that site, Marc Maggard, sent out a blast email defending Dave Kersey, the person named in the article, and in my opinion, defended his actions fairly and effectively.  You can read this blog by Maggard, which says the same thing as his email.

But with all that aside, the question still remains -- how are NCAA member institutions, in particular, to handle situations where their fans engage in recruiting under the rubric of credentialed media, or situations where that may be happening but can't be confirmed?  If there is a violation, the school that stood to benefit must report it to the NCAA and take corrective action.  At the same time, if the NCAA is seen to be attempting to stifle legitimate reporting, it could run afoul of both antitrust legislation and even potentially the First Amendment.  My take is that the NCAA is concerned, but has no idea exactly what to do or how to do it.  For Sandy Bell, this seems like a nightmare she must have every single night.

But there is one thing for sure -- if there are clear violations, it will be the schools and the programs who suffer.  Was the Washington Post trying to gin up a couple of NCAA investigations with it's article?  I don't know, but it would not surprise me. 

NCAA investigations are news, aren't they?

 

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Oh wow......

that one will hit home with a few……ok….back to sports…..Maggard may have brought this one on himself. He flirts with disaster every time he tells his followers “This one is a lock”, or “my sources are unimpeachable on this one”…..he makes himself a target with these statements that he uses to boost his "pay subscribers " numbers…..I know he is in it to make money, and he has tried to position himself to be a voice of the program from both sides, but that is that gray area that you work in when you do that.

He has to remember that there is risk AND reward for walking that fine line. I do not assess that he is doing anything illegal, but as we have pointed out repeatedly here on ASOB, it doesnt matter if it is illegal in the eyes of the NCAA. If you are on their crap list, you can get slammed for anything at anytime.

There are soooooo many issues at the forefront of the NCAA right now. They have put themselves in a position that the member institutions are going to have to force their respective presidents to push for changes in how things are being done. The negative backlash from the Memphis situation, along with a lot of the other media attention is doing exactly what needs to be done. We need to keep the pressure on until the NCAA addresses these issues with substantive rules changes that make the guidelines not only current, but fair. This “benevolent dictatorship” they seem to be pursuing is a pipe dream and they are starting to see that. Unless they are blind, deaf, and dumb. And they have been accused of being just that.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gratitude

My thanks goes out to the Lion for the ADA, COBRA, CHIP and a respectful discourse in the Senate that is in short supply today.

by Strangeite on Aug 26, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh

i guess you don’t work with COBRA too often, haha

seriously though, he’s done some great things in his time in the senate and will be missed

/awaits ann counter’s clever retort

by chstrckwl on Aug 26, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually have had to utilize COBRA and it certainly is not a perfect system, but I am glad that I had the option to continue my health insurance. It would have been far worse if I hadn’t had the option.

by Strangeite on Aug 26, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed...

i meant it’s a mess to get into its inner workings, not that it’s not a good thing for those who utilize it

by chstrckwl on Aug 26, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Complain about BBM loopholes all you want...

But last year we were able to get our night on a different day than Kansas!

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 26, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cawood or Munson?

“The problem is the definition of a booster can include almost anybody who likes that particular team, and a fan site operator would certainly meet that definition. "

Wouldnt Cawood or Munson at Georgia come under this heading? They are definitely credentialed media, but by the loose definition of the NCAA they would also be boosters.
The NCAA needs to jump into this century and see that through technology times are a changing.

by UKTimmy on Aug 26, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The NCAA definition REQUIRES that coordination between University and "fan" be shown before one can be called a booster.

That’s really not a hard distinction to grasp (it’s the same as the one applied to independent political expenditures every day of the year, without any difficulty). There is just no way a private blogger would ever be found to be a booster unless he coordinated his activities with the school leadership. He is no different from the aging blow-hard at the local drugstore.

The problem is that the NCAA and the schools create and perpetuate the myth that a “fan” is a “booster” when they try to intimidate people into taking down Facebook pages and the like, even in the absence of any reasonable argument that there could be an NCAA violation.

I despise those scare tactics — mostly because they work.

by Ken Pomeroy on Aug 26, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with fans being fans

While this will be downplaying a fairly serious concern, which I understand is a problem and can negatively affect sports in college if left to its own devices; I think the NCAA should only be concerned with those DIRECTLY affiliated with the Universities. That being, those who are employed or who are being paid, in any way, by the University itself or someone affiliated with or related to personnel within the University.
Also, they need to obviously be concerned with any people who are providing money or favors to potential college recruits; favors meaning free food, travel, clothing, etc..

Why be concerned with people who write blogs on the internet? They are doing what fans are supposed to do; do anything they can (legally) to help make there team better. So if a highly touted recruit comes to town are you not supposed to yell something like, “Hey, come to our school! People here will love you and always make sure you’re taken good care of! We have the best fans!”? It is almost similar to saying that it is unfair for a visiting team to be yelled at by a home team’s fans because it is distracting and because there is bias in the audience. There is supposed to be bias!

Basically it comes down to this: If the only kind of payment a person is getting for helping out his favorite University is a sense of pride and a boost in ego, then as long as no laws are broken and no "freebies’’ are given out, then we should be able to say whatever we want to when we see a potential recruit around.

by BlowOutYourBlood on Aug 26, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AP and Gannett

This is beginning to sound like a freedom of the press and censorship issue to me.

by UKTimmy on Aug 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UNC Weenies

As my Ol’ Daddy used to ask me,

“Son. What good is your yellow streak if you don’t use it?”

We Tar Heels expect to live to witness another win at Rupp with Marshall in the lineup.

by Ford Prefect on Aug 26, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It could happen.

But then again … :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: SEC policies

Are they EVER going to lift the no-booze at games rule? Annoying.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Aug 26, 2009 12:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Highly Doubtful

In todays politically correct, highly litigous, and high insurance rates society, very few are willing to allow alcohol to be served at SEC sporting events. On a good note, when I went to the SEC tourney in New Orleans, I was glad they didnt serve beer at the games. The nights on Bourbon St. were rough enough.

by UKTimmy on Aug 26, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

has anyone else noticed...

that near the beginning of the season it is very easy to sneak booze into the games but by the UT game the workers will GRILL you? that’s annoying

by chstrckwl on Aug 26, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one advantage for CUSA

memphis will be serving beer at its home games this fall – they play in beautiful liberty bowl stadium. if i recall, there are are a couple of other cusa schools that do…

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Aug 26, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure they are.....just as soon

 as the NCAA is disbanded and SEC has their media policy adopted by the entire college sports world…..lol

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh, wishful thinking.

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.

by blbskue on Aug 26, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Tru's comment of

“My take is that the NCAA is concerned, but has no idea exactly what to do or how to do it.”
This seems to be previlant on more and more issues they lamely try to address. The only time they open their mouth is to change feet.

by hoboat33 on Aug 26, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like that one.....

that should be on their website as their mission statement…..lol

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations to Mark Krebs

For becoming a Scholarship player this coming year. (From CoachCal website.)

true blue living in a sea of orange

by qmwhitlock on Aug 26, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just off the wire...Ricky P

Has called a 3 p.m. press conference for today, but has not detailed what it’s about. Could he be gone? Leave of absence? Can you say Ralph Williard?

by daniel81 on Aug 26, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nobody knows, according to the news.

I’m going to the Cardinal sites and see what the gossip is.

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh?

Interesting.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 26, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The Sypher Tapes"......!!!

they have been released.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what's the news?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 26, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Following along on CC

Apparently he came out bashing the media

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just clicked over there and saw that too

Very un-Rick-like.

First he brings up 9-11… now he talks Ted Kennedy… wtf?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 26, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I bring up Ted Kennedy and get my posts deleted ;)

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry coop but

you brought up something I would say is considered inappropriate

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

I’m not mad or anything

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inappropriate for this board

But a very real fact of the history surrounding Ted Kennedy for many people. In the proper context (i.e. a political message board) it is more than approppriate to discuss.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You made a politically offensive comment.

Notice that I removed the response as well as a couple of others. I want no politics. If we can’t regret the loss of a long-time senator without political commentary, that says something pretty sad about our society.

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is why I put the ;) at the end of the above post

I wasn’t trying to start anything.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

I get your point. I’m not mad or anything :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Tru.....is the albatross weighing heavily

at UofL now?? Think he can hold up under the pressure?

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pitino has skin as thick as a battleship's armor.

He will be fine.

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

seems as though

the Louisville media wont let go of this….they have been playing the sypher tapes and breaking into other programming with them??

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Feh.

I am about fed up with all this.

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe if I ignore it ...

… it will go away. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not going to happen IMHO....

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless...

I would think a PR guy on the UofL staff should have grabbed him before he went in front of the camera and said “Why don’t we just hold off on this one till you calm down.”

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Now it is going to get 10x the play in the media than it was

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of the posters at Card Chronicle compared it to...

“Larry Bird isn’t walking through that door.”

I didn’t watch the presser… was it really that bad? Was he that over the top?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 26, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was angry.....very angry.....nostrils were flaring....looked

like the RP of old there for a minute

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard a little ...

… it falleth under the rubric of, “Mayhap thou dost protest too much.”

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my assessment as well.....looked like a man trying to get

public opinion on his side because he was going to need it……telling people not to read the paper, or turn the channel……like that is going to happen….

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd assess it as

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hehe.

Love that picture. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are definitely not happy on the Uof L

sites…..some of them are thinking he is nuts, some are thinking he should have just resigned and ended it all…..and some are just saying WHA??????

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont know....

maybe that is just what the media needed in his opinion…..find out where the line is going to be drawn….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just read on TCP ...

… Patterson and Orton came back from California looking like Adonis.

Orton lost about, oh, roughly the equivalent of a human being and it is said that they both look like track athletes.

Prepare for, “Wow!” at Madness.

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Certainly encouraging

I am eager to see Patterson play facing the basket.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 26, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fabulous.

You know, when I first read that those two were heading out west for some unconventional training with an extremely unconventional uber-mysterious trainer, (to say the least) I wasn’t sure how much Patterson was going to benefit body-wise as I thought he was pretty much physically perfect already, but from what I had seen of Orton, I thought, yeah, that trip will do him a world of good and properly prepare his body for this season.

Ah, I just love to see our athletes on the floor during games, but, seeing as how I’m also human and I am female — I also love to see them in phenomenally great shape when playing in said games, if you know what I mean. And I must say, Tru — with this "Adonis" news of yours today, well, I’m even more excited for those games to begin than before. ; )

by BigSkyCat on Aug 26, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Found this tidbit via MrSec.com

The NCAA has truly bitten of its nose to spite its face. Think judges are fed up with the NCAA’s “above the law” attitude?

by hoboat33 on Aug 26, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the dominos are starting to fall in place……there will be a reckoning…..this is extremely welcome to see.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sacco Defends Calipari

Who is Billy Sacco to defend John Calipari? His HS BB coach and known him for 40 years. Another laudable piece by Larry Vaught who can logically and legitimately be acclaimed the Commonwealth’s best sportswriter.

"By continuing a process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens."
-John Maynard Keynes

by Wild Weasel on Aug 26, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Feinstein tears him down

Feinstein is an avowed Dookie and is anti-Kentucky. He’s been open about both opinions on NPR and elsewhere. But he’s media. I thought you’d enjoy the read. He is a good writer, but biased. I have to say this is the most poetic anti-Calipari article I’ve read. lol

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/24/AR2009082401400.html

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Aug 26, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NPR?!

’nuff said.

by hoboat33 on Aug 26, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to Fisk him.

I really want to. Real bad. I could take him apart into pieces so tiny that even an electron microscope couldn’t identify the remains.

I really want to Fisk him. God, I do …

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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go for it.

The guy CAN write. His book on Auerbach was excellent, IMO, and he did a nice piece on the Continental league. His biases, though. They stink up the place. You could easily Fisk him. I personally would like to take him behind Rupp arena and… well, Ubi Caritas.

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by cincyblue on Aug 26, 2009 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I take the Ubi Caritas bit back

he’s a jerk. I’ll say my prayers later.
You can Google the Latin. I’m showing off because i had to Wikipedia Fisk. :-) lol

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Aug 26, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a mess

KSR and other Lexington news outlets reporting that Billy G was apparently arrested for DUI last night.

by TXCat on Aug 27, 2009 7:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WLEX Details

2:45 a.m. in Anderson County.

"By continuing a process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens."
-John Maynard Keynes

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