Rick Pitino: Should he stay, or should he go? Point/Counter Point
Editor's Note: I must offer my apologies to ALLBLUCAT. He came to me with this idea about 12 days ago, but a combination of illness and being extremely busy with other commitments, have conspired to keep me from completing my part of the post. KH
Point/Counter Point has arrived at A Sea of Blue. No, there will be no Dan Aykroyd/Jane Curtain-like snide remarks, no name calling, and certainly no nonsense.
The Rick Pitino, Karen Syphersituation has to be resolved, so this post will present both sides of the case, stated as best as we can. These are NOT necessarily the personal views of the authors, but someone has to take each side of the issue.
Pitino Must Go (ALLBLUCAT)
Rick Pitino must go. Now. No more explanations, no more apologies, no more salacious television reports regarding the details of this circumstance. Here are the five reasons that Pitino must leave the University of Louisville, and allow this sad chapter in their history to pass:
1. No one completely recovers from a scandal of this magnitude. Pitino's character will now be at the center of every discussion about every facet of U of L basketball ever conducted.
2. U of L fans deserve better. They have given support to Pitino both financially and emotionally. He has betrayed their trust and brought shame to their program in a incident that can in no way be turned into something positive for the University. Louisville has much too proud of a tradition, and fan base to allow this to go unpunished.
3. If Pitinois honest with himself, he has to admit that this is going to be a drain on is ability, not only to coach, but to do all of the things that go along with being an ambassador of the U of L program. Interviews, public speaking engagement, fund raising, TV and radio, Internet; these things are all going to interfere with his efforts to do a good job as
4. He has NOT "practiced what he has preached" to his players for the last 30 years (as he said in his press conference). No one can counsel players on their behavior, morals, and character, and yet have an incident like this in their background. He will be labeled a hypocrite, and rightfully so. He loses all credibility with the young men he has been charged with teaching. The University hired him to be an example to these young men, their families and the public in general. How can he go into a recruits home and tell a parent how he runs a program where integrity and values are the cornerstone of their approach? Opposing coaches will have a field day with the offhand remarks and snide comments to recruits and parents. He will not be able to overcome these obstacles.
5. Finally, U of L President Dr. James Ramsey and AD Tom Jurich put a morality clause in his contract for a reason. They did no want to have to deal with a scandal like this bringing down their program. The fact that this is an issue that the NCAA has no jurisdiction over is of no importance. Pitino should resign so that he Athletic Board at U of L does not have to exercise that option. Pitino owes them better than that.
Rick Pitino Must Stay (Ken Howlett)
1. Isn't the embarrassment enough? I mean, c'mon, Pitino was flat-out busted ... In a very public way ... In what amounts to a public place ... With a woman he did not know. That's the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost of screw-ups. Quite frankly, I'll be impressed by his mere presence on the sidelines this season, because if it were me, I'd be looking for some real estate in The Falklands. Firing the poor bastard just seems like overkill to me.
2. This episode could be a great teaching-tool for Pitino. For someone enduring the most public fatal attraction in the history of ESPN, the possibilities to use his experience for "good" are boundless. His players know EXACTLY what he's going through, and how easily it could be them on the hot-seat of public opinion, instead of him. How better to relate to the young men in his charge, now that he's shown them he's flesh and blood, just as they are? Pitino now has something Vanilla Ice never had ... street cred. Now, when he tells his players, "Watch the company that you keep," he has there undivided attention, as opposed to before when he'd get the brush-off with a "Yeah, okay coach." He'll pontificate, "Don't do what I did," endlessly, and for a change, the players might actually listen.
3. Future mother's of recruits , and donors to the program, will ultimately decide Pitino's fate. If Pitino is able to recruit as effectively now, as he did before, then the program won't suffer anything more than some embarrassment. And if the boosters continue to give as before, well then, nothing will have changed.
But, if the opposite occurs then U of L could be in trouble for the near-term, and that's when a decision has to be made. I don't feel that what Pitino did should be a fire-able offense, but if he becomes detrimental to the program, then he should go. Whether that happens or not, I don't know, but I tend to think that it won't.
4.Lastly, Pitino needs to stay at U of L so we can all witness the spectacle of Calipari v. Pitino on a yearly basis. The UK v. U o L rivalry is about to get as hot as its ever been, and to be robbed of that by a lapse in table manners, seems wasteful.
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Advantage ABC
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Aug 25, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way.
Clear KH victory by TKO :-)
Just kidding, it was a good debate. I still gotta go with Ken, but ABC acquitted himself very well.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A thousand thanks oh mighty one......
and may all of your daughters marry men with many camels…..lol…
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should go.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 25, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He should go....
….and Billy D. should take his place. Think about it:
1. He would have the support of Pitino. This would allow Pitino to back out gracefully (if he is looking for that).
2. He goes from a football school to a basketball school. He would forever play second to Meyer et al. He has achieved as much as he can achieve at Florida.
3. He goes from a football conference to a basketball conference.
4. He can leverage his northeastern heritage by playing in the Big East…w/o having to live in NY, or Philly, etc.
5. He knows the area and the city of Louisville. He walks into a situation where the team will be playing in a new, fabulous arena.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 25, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually could see that happen
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Aug 25, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang.....that's scary....I can too.....wow!!!
that may never happen again…although, even though I took that position, I honestly believe he CAN overcome most of this…..but the Billy Donovan scenario I never even thought of….
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 25, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Would Donovan Leave Florida For Louisville?
Can’t see that happening.
by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 25, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donovan seems to do what Pitino tells him
Just saying.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Aug 25, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, Donovan does what his WIFE tells him to do.
He won’t leave Gainesville for any college job.
by Ken Howlett on Aug 25, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehehe....been there........know how that works....lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 25, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't we all :)
A few weeks ago I read a piece from a Florida columnist on Donovan, and he makes no secret about his wife and her desire to stay put. Now, that may change once their children are grown. But for the forseeable future I don’t see him going anywhere, especially U of L, which would be a lateral move at best. Besides, he doesn’t have to please a fanatical fan base, which he would have to deal with at U of L. He’s really got it made in Gainesville, which is why he twice passed on the UK job.
by Ken Howlett on Aug 25, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He passed on UK because..
1. Pitino didn’t support the move. That had to be an influence.
2. UK would be an in-conference move…never a good thing.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually with Hoze on this one
I think Pitino is the puppet master of Billy D.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so ...
… although anything is possible.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donovan is a man.....he's forty. :-)
I don’t mean to imply that he is a puppet of Pitino’s but I don’t think anyone would say that Pitino doesn’t have high influence. If Pitino recommended that he not take the UK job, I think he would respect that.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is what happened in 2007
Call it a hunch.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He may have also
seen what Pitino had to do to produce at Kentucky and said hands off also.Remember that Donovan has had first hand experience at UK.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Pitino was the puppet master of Billy D
Billy would never have gone to UF in the first place.
Ricky told him not to repeatedly.
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by davw83 on Aug 26, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino regrets leaving UK
And Ricky P. even said so. So then why would he tell his protege not to come to UK? I find Hosebags reasons very suspect.
by UKTimmy on Aug 26, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ease up on the namecalling UKTimmy
see below……
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donovan will go where his ego takes him
he is no different than Pitino, Calipari or any other really high profile coach. When the “what has he done for us lately” crowd starts to surface, they see a lack of appreciation for the job they are doing and look to a situation where they are enamored by the fans and school alike. Hey, everyone wants to be loved…..nothing wrong with Donovan taking a look at Louisville, I believe he would get the respect he deserves there. Florida will always be a football school with a good college basketball program…..who knows?? Louisville gets him close to the big chair without having to actually sit in it and have the pressure Kentucky would give him. And now, assuming Calipari has a good run, UK will be there and waiting when Calipari decides to hang it up for one of Ricky’s boys, be it Donovan, or any of the Unforgettables, or the Bombinos.
Of course, then again, it could go to one of Calipari’s disciples also………..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 25, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Louisville
Hosebag, thats just wishful thinking. If Billy D. wouldnt come to THE greastest basketball program in the country(and state) , why in the world would he come to UL??? Makes no sense at all. Plus, he has great facilities in Florida. Never fear, hes lost some recruits, but UF basketball will be back.
by UKTimmy on Aug 25, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...I thought UK was the greatest, bestest, most wonderfulest basketball in the entire universe.
Good grief. Florida has poor basketball facilities, especially when compared to the downtown arena being built in Louisville. You need to get out more.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their practice facility is extremely nice
not a big fan of their arena though.
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by davw83 on Aug 26, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida facilites
Florida’s $10 million state-of-the-art private basketball practice facility, which opened in the October of 2001, is the nation’s premier practice complex. The two-story 47,505 square foot facility includes multiple practice gyms, a training room, a 1900-square foot weight room, locker rooms, coaches’ offices, conference rooms equipment room, team lounge area and film/video rooms with theatre style seating to give the Gators the only basketball exclusive practice facility in the Southeastern Conference
They arent the best anymore, but I just wanted to prove HB wrong, as usual.
by UKTimmy on Aug 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Florida facilities
Opened in 1980, the O’Connell Center seats 12,000…..not exactly a jewel or even a ‘great facility’…especially averaging 10,337 last year. What a following!!
But on the other hand, who would want to sit in that dump?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UoL Basketball facilities
The Yum! Center, which officially opened in August of 2007, houses training facilities and offices for the Cards’ men’s basketball, women’s volleyball and women’s lacrosse teams. The total cost of the facility, which is located on South Floyd St., on the U of L campus and is more than 60,000-square-feet in size, was $15.2 million.
For your viewing pleasure: link
I guess UofL wins over Floriday by 6 years, 12,500 ft2, and/or $5.2M. Who’s wrong now?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly not me.
I never said a word about Floridas arena. But I certainly know the difference between an arena and basketball facilities. Fact is, you didnt know what you were talking about. I would rather play at the O’Connell Center. They have two recent National Championships. When was the last one at UL?? Actually, I would rather play at Rupp.
by UKTimmy on Aug 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only basketball exclusive practice facility
What about Nutter Feild House?
Flash...
by ro307805 on Sep 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK...
… stop with the Hosebag stuff. He and I have agreed — he will be less abrasive and the rest of us will treat him respectfully, which we should be doing anyway.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not my favorite person either, but the man has spoken.....no namecalling
no baiting….if I can do it, and the rest can….youre gonna have to follow suit…..them’s the rules….
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't have to.
But I am tired of the decorum breakdowns, and I want everyone to treat each other with respect.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't even know me.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 11:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Works for me.
Good idea, Hoze.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 25, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I mean, perhaps this has been in the works? Pitino starts to suspect that he’s going to have some MAJOR Sypher issues down the line. He send his son to Florida. The UK job opens up, and Donovan turns it down. Now, Pitino hands the reigns to Donovan in Louisville, and Richard P. steps up to coach Florida.
Seems quite plausible.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Aug 25, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Vision
Pitino steps down at some point during this season allowing no time for a coach search so his buddy Ralph Willard takes the reigns as interim. (This allows Pitino time to get in Donovan’s ear.) Season ends and UofL contacts Donovan who takes the job, even though he assured everyone he would stay at Florida during Willard’s interim reign.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly the "people in the know"
according to Card Chronicle, have said that Willard has virtually no supporters that matter in the UL program. I do not know if it is fact or not, but there you go.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 25, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I don't think he steps down during the season...
I think he takes a leave of absence. If Willard has a great year, it puts pressure on UofL to give him the job. If Willard bombs, Rick can come back and be hailed as the “Savior” again.
by wklawdog on Aug 25, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Willard is hired as the new coach ...
… the city of Louisville may explode. Never, never happen. Plus, I don’t think there’s any way RP steps down.
by Ken Howlett on Aug 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he will
but I do think he should.
A one year hiatus were he can spin it and tell everyone he is doing it so as not to be a distraction to his team and he is trying to set things right with his family seems pretty much like something he would do.
This would get him out of the spotlight for a year and make him look like he was working to be “a better person”.
by wldcatsfreak on Aug 26, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RP steps down.
I just have a strong feeling he will for some reason.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 26, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walks away completely or justs takes some time off?
by wldcatsfreak on Aug 26, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walk away completely
I say he leaves Louisville – for good – and takes some time off from coaching period. He may even claim “retirement” but he will come out of “retirement” after an unspecified amount of time and return to coaching somewhere in a whole different direction.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 26, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would probably be a hard pill for Ricky to swallow.....
I couldnt see him anywhere that wasnt a high profile position, and those have been going to the young guns lately, with a few exceptions….it may be just me, but I really feel like RP has lost some of his “swagger” lately, and I am not talking about the distractions…..he just does not seem as intense as he has in the past…..I could be wrong, it ’s just an observation. Of course all of this other crap may be what is causing it….
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure his ego
will allow him to walk away completely. I can see him taking time off to mend fences all the while planning his triumphant return to the U of L sidelines to really make himself look like a white knight.
Going this route makes it appear as though he is putting family first yet shows how dedicated he is to his job at louisville. RP is after all a master of spin and he knows how to play up to the media.
by wldcatsfreak on Aug 26, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
May find out sooner than later....
According to KSR, Pitino has scheduled a press conference at 3PM today.
http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=26674
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 26, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the "Sypher Tapes" were released today
by the authorities…..who knows…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listening to them right now.
LOL! Killing time till the presser starts. ;)
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by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 26, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
U of L
I don’t care who the coach is at Louisville as long as Coach Cal is at UK!!!! Pinto has had chances and success, but he did not cherish the honor! The old saying—To thy own self be true. Mr. Pinto has blown it and the future will play out accordingly. I am done with the Pinto subject!!
by kentuckystrong on Aug 25, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he should go
For a time to mend fences with his family. As he said his family meant everything to him. But I honestly don’t see him doing this with his ego and what coaching means to him. We shall see what happens.
by kykat51 on Aug 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember...he's been 'mending fences with his family' for the past six years.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino's future?
Ask me again after they play Kentucky.
A moron friend of mine wanted Pitino gone after the first disastrous Big East season. My question was a simple one: “Who are they going to get who’s as good?”
And that’s still my question today. Donovan would be great, but would he leave Florida? Young, unproven coaches are always a crapshoot; and after the Kragthorpe fiasco I no longer trust Jurich to make the big hire.
So yeah, we’ll probably ride this Pitino train (ugh, unfortunate choice of words, DEFINITELY no pun intended) until the bitter end.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Aug 25, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great point.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adulterer
I guess once again, I am in the minority. Personally, I have no problem with Rick keeping his job. I am not a big fan of people thinking of sports figures as role models. Should all adulterers lose or quit their jobs?? This is a personal matter between him, his wife, and family. I know about the morality clause, but the administration has already chosen not to use it against Ricky P. Consequently, I hope Ricky P continues to coach at Louisville and our rivalry becomes that much more intense.
by UKTimmy on Aug 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that's right.
He has to deal with his moral failings personally. To the extent it affected U of L, they have to decide whether or not it is in the best interests of the university to live with his public embarrassment.
I think that call has been made.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually totally agree with you here
Stuff like this is personal, between him and his family, and has nothing to do with his job at all—imo. Louisville would be crazy to try to get rid of him, because as don’tshoot… points out, he is likely the very best person for this job right now. And I don’t know why Pitino’d want to leave either—the fact that he’s a cad of a husband has nothing to do with his ability to coach basketball, and I somehow doubt the man’s hyper-competitivness will allow him to walk away from his job just to avoid some merciless heckling. Now if the resulting scandal makes it impossible for him to do his job successfully in the future, then he should step down, but I’m not convinced this will be the case.
This stuff does fade—even when it’s as woefully sordid as this. I would cite a political example of someone who was nearly brought down by a humiliating high profile sex scandal, but was able to return to popularity and create a legacy that is NOT wholly defined by that one transgression….but I know how Tru freaks at the merest mention of politcians ; )
by blue kentucky girl on Aug 26, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is ...
… the political genie is much like the dark side of the Force. In the words of Yoda, “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.” I have been a political blogger, and I am much happier as a sports blogger.
That’s why I am so phobic about politics on the blog. Politics divides people, and sports brings them together. Not strictly true, of course, but that’s how I choose to see it, right or wrong. Better that we all keep our politics personal, or in the political arena where it belongs. There are tons of poliblogs for that express purpose.
To your point, though, I think that’s right. America has learned how to forgive sexual misconduct as long as it is consensual and more or less conventional, and has nothing to do with underage people. Pitino is being punished for his failing far more by his family and friends than we ever could, were we so inclined (and I’m not). Every word about it in the media is driving him mad, as his embarrassment of a press conference today illustrates.
I wish I could comfort him, but I cannot. He must seek that succor elsewhere.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I do agree with you for the most part, politics divides and creates rancor here in an arena where it’s not needed, etc. I just wish that it hadn’t gotten to the point where even the mere mention of a political figure was akin to potentially explosive political discussion. People are so touchy about this stuff…to me, some things just aren’t partisan, you know?
SO I’m not disagreeing with your mandate, it’s probably for the best, I just wish it wasn’t the case that grown folks can’t have a civilized discussion in which the mere name of a president or senator or whatever is mentioned without people getting all pissy and hysterical.
by blue kentucky girl on Aug 26, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru
have you listened to these taped conversations?
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This officer does not come off well on tape
of course, he may be avoiding having any sort of a comforting or understanding tone while talking to her, but he sure does not come off sounding like someone who has anything to do with talking to a woman who has reported a rape to the police. He gaves a very hands off attitude to her while they speak.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
Actually, it doesn’t interest me. For the most part, I don’t care what either of them say.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not one person has typed
“Jane you ignorant slut!”….I am kinda disappointed…..lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 25, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Job....lol
still I guess I was a bit nostalgic for my youth…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was waiting for that too!!!
kykat51, if you’ve never seen it, you’ve got to go to youtube and check out the skit ALLBLUCAT and Ken are refering to…..absolutely hilarous!
by wldcatsfreak on Aug 26, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allright
Pitino announced that he was “upset” because the “Sypher Tapes” have been released and were made public by the media today on the news stations in Louisville. It seems that the Louisville stations have been breaking into programming as he said, and interrputing coverage of Sen. Ted Kennedy’s death with the audio of Karen Sypher’s deposition to the police.
He called all of the things said in there a lie. He also stated that he was getting tired of the media manipulating the information as it becomes available, and continuing to bring it out. He asked all Louisville fans to turn off a program where it is being shown, and to read something else when presented with it in print, or on the web.
Sounds to me like a man that is not happy.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OH WELL
He made his bed – or leather bathroom bench or whatver – now he has to lay in it.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 26, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That is what we call a "rec worthy" post
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EEWWW!
Nasty. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Well, in all honesty, with the exception of the fact of the sex act, and giving her money, everything else may well be a lie.
Or the truth. Who knows?
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, IS THAT ALL?????
lmaorotflmao…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the FBI and the federal (I think) prosecutor knows.
They are the ones that looked at all the facts. The prosecutor refused to follow up Sypher’s complaints. The FBI has looked into it and recommended extortion charges…prosecution agreed and is pursuing. Why do you continue to suggest that Sypher’s story may be valid or true?
It’s amazing to me that someone like yourself just doesn’t get it…..your position is why extortion is a federal offense. There is always someone giving lies a hint of possible truth.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry ...
… why the attack? Of course I get it. I get it, in the words of Mr. Miagi “… perfect.”
Syper’s claims are unsupported by the evidence. That doesn’t mean she is lying. I think she may well be, but there is little evidence that she is … except, perhaps, Vinnie. Do you think Vinnie would lie to protect Pitino? I certainly do.
By the way, while we are talking credibility, exactly why is Pitino’s credibility any better than hers? He allowed everyone to believe a non-truth for the longest time without saying a word. Sypher may be lying, but given the moral character of both actors in this case, it is hardly a slam-dunk that Pitino is any more honest.
So there.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Pitino more credible?
I don’t know…go ask the FBI, the people sitting on the grand jury, and the federal prosecutor.
I don’t think you do get it. Sorry if you take my criticism as an attack. I just expect more from you. I find it a disapointment actually.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
… I just heard more. He said it was a lie at least a dozen times. At everyone – the media, the city, you name it. It was a pure lash out, and was of very little value, either as news or to his … ahem… reputation.
Essentially, it was “everything out of my mouth is the truth and everything out of hers is a lie.”
Make of it what you will.
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are at least 10-15 good ( bad) jokes in that line I am going to leave alone
for the purposes of “good taste”….oh wait….!!!!….one got out after all….!!!!……
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well....what do you make of:
1. Being prosecuted for extortion.
2. Being prosecuted for lying to the FBI.
3. Having her first lawyer quit.
4. Not being able to find a lawyer that will bring a countersuit.
Huh?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
everything out of my mouth is the truth and everything out of hers is a lie
Good strategy, Rick! lol!!!!
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 26, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why did he think this would help?
He needs to put on the cone of silence for his own good.
Seriously, he just set himself back like 20 steps with everyone that is not a UofL fan.
by scfcats on Aug 26, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
by btcoop71 on Aug 26, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bwhahahaha!
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by Truzenzuzex on Aug 26, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares then?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Aug 26, 2009 11:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to thank Rick Pitino
for making me the winner of the inaugrual “Point/Counter-Point” here on ASOB……
I know Rick would rather me not mention his name in my thank you speech, but I could not in good conscience say thank you to the fans without bringing his name into the conversation, as it is he who has provided this victory for me. All I did was document it, he deserves all of the credit.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And we thought Gillispie was bad with the media. . .sheesh. . .
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Aug 26, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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