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Kentucky Basketball: Buying What Calipari is Selling

Coach Cal, who totally understands the value of brand, marketing, and selling the program, has been working hard trying to build the Kentucky brand back up to the extent that is possible in the off season.  He has launched a fancy new website, CoachCal.com, which he updates periodically with pictures, blogs, and other content (I don't subscribe yet, so I really don't know what premium content is available there).  He has been busy giving interviews, talking to ESPN and reporters and generally trying to be everywhere, all the time.

From my personal standpoint, I think this is a job that needed doing.  Billy Gillispie just didn't really think that was part of his job description, and even though winning a lot of games will certainly take care of most of your marketing for you, the reality is that very few teams win all the time -- you have rebuilding years, you have off years, it happens.  And during those times, brand-building and hyping the program is even more important than when you are winning, and even more difficult because people are asking you to show them the wins.  Wins solve most ills in college sports that aren't related to some kind of unethical conduct, and no matter how successful coach Calipari is at producing a "buzz" in the sports media, he will be judged by what happens on the floor.

Right now, it is pretty easy to buy what Calipari is selling -- he has a great recruiting class, he has Patrick Patterson, a genuine Naismith contender coming back, arguably the best point guard in America (at least until he hits the floor in a real game) that's not playing in the NBA, and some other guys that, taken together, look like a "contendah."

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So what can we look at to see how well Calipari will succeed?  Well, because he is bringing in a totally new system, I suggest we go back to his 2005-06 team where he first installed the Dribble Drive Motion offense at the University of Memphis.

Back in 2005-06, John Calipari had no less than seven new players, three sophomores, one junior and two seniors.  Now, one of those seniors was a very accomplished player, Rodney Carney, and sophomore Darius Washington Jr. was a stud. but that is reasonably analogous to what UK has returning.

The incoming freshmen were a very good class -- Shawne Williams was a Rivals.com 5* and the rest were Rivals.com 4* players.  Compare that to what Calipari has coming in to Kentucky -- four 5* players and a 4*, plus the best point guard available.

So how did 2005-06 Memphis do?  Not bad.  They wound up the season 33-4, which looks more impressive than it is due to the fact that Memphis plays in the exceedingly weak Conference USA.  But they did play some big games against some big names.  Let's see how that worked out for them:

November 25th 2005 in Madison Square Garden vs. Duke -- Lost, 67-70.  Duke Sheldon Williams dominated the Tigers inside scoring 30 points, and J.J. Redick scored 15 from the perimeter.  Still, the Blue Devils managed to overcome the young Tigers by only 3 points in only their fourth game using Calipari's newly formed DDM offense.

December 27th 2005 in the FedEx Forum in Memphis vs. Gonzaga -- Won, 83-72.  Adam Morrison scored 34 points, but it wasn't enough against the balanced scoring of Memphis, who had four players in double figures.

January 2 2006 in the FedEx Forum in Memphis vs. Texas -- Lost, 58-69.  LaMarcus Aldridge, P.J. Tucker and Daniel Gibson were just too much for the Tigers.

January 18 2006 in the FedEx Forum in Memphs vs. Tennessee -- Won, 88-79.  Chris Lofton was not enough against the balanced attack of Memphis.  Once again, Memphis had 4 players in double figures.

March 2 2006 at Bartow Arena in Birmingham, Alabama vs. UAB -- Lost, 74-80.  The Blazers put five players in double figures, and Memphis was in foul trouble all night.

March 25 2006, NCAA regional final at Oakland Arena, Oakland, CA vs. UCLA -- Lost, 45-50.  UCLA's brutal defense put the clamps on Memphis's DDM offense.  The Tigers' free throw rate was 27%, and the Bruins 97.5%.  That was the difference in the game.

Obviously, I think most UK fans would take a Great Eight appearance after four years of irrelevance, but with this class, this team, and four years to refine and learn to better teach his offense, I think that would be about the minimum expectation for this team.  I know it seems unfair, but you do have to understand that Kentucky will be bringing a higher overall talent level to the table than Memphis did in 2005-06.  There is no getting around that. 

Now, Calipari did have some advantages in that he had been at Memphis for several years and had established a culture there, so installing a new offense was maybe a bit less challenging.  But because so many were newcomers then, just as they are now, I think you can say that there really isn't all that much difference.

So what will we see this year?  Well, you probably won't see 33-4.  UK plays in the SEC, and UK plays better teams by accident than Memphis did on purpose that year, even though they clearly could have competed in and perhaps even won the SEC in 2005-06, although I think Florida would have had something to say about that, and perhaps even UK.

But as to whether Calipari can effectively install the DDM offense next year, that question has been asked and answered at Memphis.  Obviously, UK will be better the more experience they have with the system, but you can bet that this example will be thrown up after a bad loss if Calipari makes an excuse about time to learn the offense.  We have seen that he can do it, so now, we expect him to do it again.

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I don't remember the UCLA game

Did UCLA play zone or did they use a gimmick D? With Patterson most likely being the one going to the line the most, we won’t have to worry about 27% FT shooting.

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 25, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Vitale defends Memphis

I / we and certainly our fearless leader Tru have been saying this all along: The NCAA certified Rose to play. PERIOD, Kaput, end of story. Who can we Photoshop Hitler’s mustache onto? It ain’t Calipari, it ain’t Memphis, and it sure as hell isn’t UK. Maybe…. the NCAA?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/dickvitale/news/story?id=4419396

No matter where you're at, there you are

by cincyblue on Aug 25, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

That Vitale article could have been written...

.
… by any number of fans right here on ASoB. He makes a lot of good points.

To me, Coach Cal’s “problems” at UMass and Memphis look to be a whole lot more about the type of kids being recruited (extremely talented ones with groups of hangers on and a sense of entitlement) and the law of averages in things popping up with those guys, than any kind of calculated, proactive campaign on Cal’s part to break rules and cheat in order to get wins.

Vitale understands this.

And as long as we fans continue to get all giddy with how many stars are beside the names of the players that Cal is adding to the team, we are in for much of the same. That is just the law of averages.

Personally? I am thrilled with the talent that he has assembled, and I can’t wait to see it on the floor! The fallout will be what it is. How many of the holier than thou fans and coaches out across the country would trade their lineup for ours if they could?

by Sonic on Aug 25, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Dicky V

stole one of the columns someone on ASOB DID write….lol….

Myles Brand with a Hitler mustache????…….oooohhhhhh……gives me hives….lol…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 25, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why are we talking about Dick Vitale?

Dick Vitale is a hack announcer. Granted, he has great basketball knowledge and would make an excellent writer, but he brings nothing to the table when it comes to commentating.

I also have a little superstitious grudge against him. Every single time Dick Vitale has picked UK to win the national championship, which is only when we’re the odd-on favorite (which proves how much of a front-runner he is), we never win, NEVER. 1997, 2000, 2001 he’s never got it right.

If he ever got fired from announcing he would spend his time getting kicked out of Hooter’s restaurants for getting drunk and leaving orange fingerprints on waitress’s asses. (Well, maybe that’s overdoing it a bit :)

by BlowOutYourBlood on Aug 25, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

1990 To 1995, UK Was 150-43 (77.7%)

2000 to 2005, UK was 156-45 (77.6%).

Yet, most of us PERCEIVED the 90-95 results >>> than 2000-05 results.

MARKETING is a big reason why, I think.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 25, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Forty,

that is because they associate the 96 and 98 championships with the 90-95….and not with the 2000-2005

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 25, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But in 1995, the PERCEPTION (or “buzz” if you prefer) was much higher for UK than it was in 2005.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 25, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

And remind me again what happened to Kentucky in the years immediately AFTER those time periods...

I think you know why 90-95 is seen as better… because it was a run up to a national title. 2000-05 was the fall off after the title. We all know that.

I’ve missed you this summer Forty. This site just isn’t the same without pointless stats being thrown in every few posts!!!! ;-)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 25, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon, chirop,

cut Forty a little slack. His point is valid, except that the difference is the upslope versus the downslope. The 90-95 period came after a regrettable period in our history; 00-05 was after a great run. Even though the results were the same, our perception was different because of the direction we were headed. Human nature.

When does the season start so we can stop sniping with each other?

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Aug 25, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually There Was Upslope In Both Of Those Timeframes

87-15 (85.3%) in 2003-04-05.

85-16 (84.2%) in 1993-94-95.

People PERCEIVED UK differently in 1995 than in 2005.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 25, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Missed The Point

The “buzz” in the 1990’s made UK seem better than the 2000’s despite very similar records.

UK marketed (sold) itself better in 90’s than 2K’s.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with that.

I think most people lump the 90’s together and see them as an ubber sucess and it’s perceived as that not being the case from 2000 – present.

by wldcatsfreak on Aug 25, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

33-4 and Dicky V

Personally, I would be happy with a Sweet 16 appearance. I think 33-4 is a little bit of a stretch. As Tru pointed out, we play in the SEC, not C-USA and the SEC is going to be better over all than last year.
I like what Dicky V. has to say in his article. The problem with Dicky V. is he is a bandwagon guy. If Duke is good, he is a Dukie, if UNC is good hes a tarheel and so on and so forth. The other thing about Dicky V is how he gave the Kentucky fans such a hard time when Tubby left. He refused to understand our standards, but to have those same standards at Duke, Kansas…… seems to be ok with him.

by UKTimmy on Aug 25, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Dicky V = Paula Abdul

i know Dicky V is a bandwagon guy, but when he gets to talking about your team, you cannot help but get excited. just like paula abdul makes every contestant believe they are the next american idol,he make you really believe your program is the greatest of all time….

i guess it is a guilty pleasure letting myself drink in the vitale koolaid from time to time but i do it knowing he treats most fans the same way.

and i am glad he did it without mentioning tubby – maybe we can all begin to move on…

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Aug 25, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is exactly what ESPN pays him to do

he has become the single biggest voice of College Basketball to a big part of the country ( uneducated as they may be). They promote him to promote what makes ESPN money…..and he does a good job of promoting “what is hot”.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 25, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree

I think the guys gets a little bit of a bad wrap. Yes, Dickie V is a “bandwagon guy”, but he’s in the national media. That’s what they do… they talk about the players and teams that are good at the time. They don’t talk about you when you’re not as good. If we want him/them to talk about us… we need to get good. Would we prefer he NOT be a bandwagon guy and instead come on and talk about what a powerhouse Detroit basketball is going to be, just because he once coached there?

…granted, he can slip every now and then and let his Dookie blue feelings come out – which I think is what people really mean when they hate on him. I think he gets a bad wrap sometimes.

by markanderin on Aug 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dicky V

I didnt mean to insinuate that Dicky V. doesnt know basketball. I actually like the guy. I was just pointing out a couple flaws. bandwagonner and KY. fan basher

by UKTimmy on Aug 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that voice, BAAAABEEEE!

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Aug 25, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well....

I would take Dicky V. over Billy “Fudge” Packer anyday!

by UKTimmy on Aug 26, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions  

AMEN......and a shout out to one of the

things ESPN did right when they had the chance…..hiring Vitale over Packer was smart…..real smart

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just wondering ...

… how Dickie V. became the topic for discussion… :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Aug 26, 2009 7:09 AM EDT reply actions  

It's a battle of epic proportions....lol.....

Forty is back with a vengence and Pomeroy is nipping at his heels…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 26, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Baloney

UK in the 1990’s marketed (sold) the basketball “buzz” under Pitino and Newton.

UK in the 2000’s failed to market (sell) the “buzz” under 2 different coaches and 2 different AD’s.

Calipari will be like Pitino. I’m not sure if Barnhart will be like Newton.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

How exactly did they 'market'??

What are you writing about?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 27, 2009 12:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

UK Was PERCEIVED As The "Hot" Program In Mid 1990's

Despite Duke, UNC, even Arkansas being “hotter” at that time.

CM and RP marketed the “buzz” around the UK program.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 27, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone

realized Wild Weasel put Vitale’s article in the FANSHOTS so when someone brought it up here it kinda hijacked the conversation.

by wldcatsfreak on Aug 26, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

90's= 4 Final fours and 2 NCAA Championships

2000= NO FINAL FOUR and ZERO CHAMPIONSHIP.Worst decade in UK history,NO FINAL FOUR and NO TITLE

by -Zoso- on Aug 26, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Turned Out Out That Way

Because 1996-97-98-99 >>> 2006-07-08-09.

But 1990-95 = 2000-05 in terms of W-L record.

The “buzz” in 1995 >>> than in 2005 because of the “sizzle” not the steak, at that point of each decade.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 26, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sizzle????

Has Snoop Dog hijacked Forty?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 27, 2009 12:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Heh.

That would be “shizzle” for Snoop Dog, dog. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Aug 27, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Longtime Sales Pitch > Sell The "Sizzle" Not The Steak

Before your time (maybe). I think “Zig” Ziglar coined the phrase.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 27, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if 96-97-98-99 had ended like 06-07-08-09

The Nineties would have been the better decade merely because we made the Final Four in 1993.

Ten years without reaching the Final Four is unacceptable at UK.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 27, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

You Totally Missed The Point

In 1995 (based strictly on results from 1990-95) there was a much bigger “buzz” about UK than in 2005 (based solely on results from 2000-05) despitely nearly identical W-L % in 95 and 05.

That’s about marketing, not W-L record.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 27, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I buy "marketing" as the word here

The sports world is a different place now than it was then. I was only 12 years old in 1990, but I don’t remember any outright “marketing” of programs like you see today.

Additionally, the general public loves an up and comer. Kentucky in that time frame was a far better story than the juggernaught who had lost a step or two from their unbeatable days that was on display in 2000-2005.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 27, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marketing, Selling, Whatever

P especially and CM (more subtly) “sold” the Uk program in the early to mid 1990’s really well.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 28, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

sometimes Forty 1 or 2 wins is a big difference in sports

depending on who they are against. I would venture to say that if you beat the right teams you last a lot longer as a coach at almost any school, and have a better “buzz” than if you don’t. sometimes 1 win can also get you a championship also. Ask RP…..you think things would have been different if we win 1997 champ. Only 1 win difference, but a lot different perspective.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 27, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh...

No, I don’t think there’d be a difference if we won the championship in 97. Pitino would have still left. We’d still win under Tubby in 1998.

The only thing different would be Lute Olsen’s legacy. If Kentucky wins that game, Lute Olsen stands alone as the best coach to never win a title.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 27, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

you dont think there would be a legitimate difference in how the 90's were

perceived vs. the 2000’s? Would Tubby have still been coach in 1998? would RP have stayed? a lot of questions could hang on that one win….would Pitino have been here all this time. Would there be 2-4 more banners hanging in Rupp Would he have been in Louisville on that fateful night??? 1 win can change a lot…..or not.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 27, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 W Changes Perception, But Not Really All That Much

1 W in 2003 and 1 W in 2005 put UK at 265-83 under Tubby. Not really different.

But IF those 2 W came against Marquette in March 03 and Mich St in Mar 05, they change PERCEPTION radically.

If Joe Hall got L versus IU in Mar 75 and Illinois in Mar 84, his record would have been similar to 297-100 (but a little less, something like 294-100 if math is right). Yet the PERCEPTION of his UK career would be remarkably different.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 28, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Forty,

YOU missed the point, here and in my earlier post. It wasn’t about the W-L percentages, it was about where the program was headed.

Regardless of who was the coach, or how the program was marketed, we had been very, very down in ‘89 and the ’90-’95 period led UP to two NCs and a championship game OT loss. The ‘00-’05 period came from that extreme high and led DOWN to exactly NOTHING (by UK standards) in ‘06-’09.

This is not a commentary about Tubby, who is perhaps the most honorable man and perhaps the best floor coach we’ve ever had. It’s about the direction the program was going. Programs, like rabbit populations and other things in nature, tends to move in sine wave patterns. In ‘00-’05, we were heading down. Fact, just like the winning percentages are fact.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Aug 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I Didn't

Not about a particular coach.

In 1995, UK had gone 150-43 the prior 6 seasons yet was regarded as THE hot program then. It had gone 85-16 the prior 3 seasons.

In 2005, UK had gone 156-45 the prior 6 season yet was nowhere near THE hot program then. It had gone 87-15 the prior 3 seasons.

The “slope” in 1995 and 2005 were remarkably similar. The perception was anything but.

I don’t see how 156-45 is down by any definition. But IF so, then 150-43 is also down.

by FortyYearCatFan on Aug 28, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

get back to me at the end of 2010 then u can say that but i believe we will make it to final 4 this year. i have faith my cats will win number 7

by uk1156 on Sep 5, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

listening to coach cal gets me pumped as a fan. im eager to see how he works the team this year would love to see the press days come back. Go Big Blue!!!!

by uk1156 on Sep 5, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

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