NCAA can’t see the forest for the trees.

Calkins is running his mouth because it is the popular thing to do in Memphis. The problem here is the fact that the NCAA is wrong, and they cannot save face and still make a statement about the Rose situation. They cannot prove that Rose did not take the test, and if they did prove it, they do not want to admit to the fact that their clearinghouse was negligent in not finding out about it.

This stems 100% from the fact that the NCAA clearinghouse for all of its intents and purposes is either a joke and cannot function properly, or they have no proof and its all a smoke screen.

Anyone think it is a concidence that the NCAA decides to release this on the day we have a TV special coming on about the new season??

I am so tired of the NCAA and all of their sanctimonious, self-serving, half witted attempts at making it look like they are doing their job, when in fact they are incapable of doing anything but reacting to what happened that they should have prevented in the first place. If they want all of this admissions nonsense stopped, then why not develop and administer their own criteria for athletes to be accepted into college. Have the admissions process done through the NCAA and not the universities. Make it standardized across the US. If you want to be in the NCAA, you have to use their process for bringing in the student-athlete. Then if anyone gets in, the NCAA cannot blame anyone but themselves. But, wait, no they are not going to do anything to accept culpability in this case or in any other situation for that matter. Spare me….please.

in the same game, there was a player from Kansas (Dwight Arthur) that “allegedly” had his HS transcript altered….

Geoff never liked Cal – he was the original “Miserable” – i equate him with HL’s Tipton

but will work just as good here

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/5881996/16724605

Who wins in this situation? Nobody, and the NCAA only looks more foolish, if that’s even possible. A sad, sad, deal for everyone. I hope Memphis has a tasteful rebuttal ready.

He said he believes that Calipari knew about and was complicit in the cheating, despite having no evidence.

He’s a radiant beacon of journalistic integrity, that one.

Hey, at least he said he thinks we’ll go to a Final Four this year and not have it stripped.

Hmmmmm….that is telling. Your consciousness getting the best of you, Tru?

1. Derrick Rose for breaking the rules to get into College (his “play” school) so he could make millions later — everyone else — UM, his teammates, etc., be damned. he’s rich now, many others are affected.
2. His High School for changing a grade. I read they had to vacate a state title themselves.
3. The NCAA Clearinghouse for not doing its job.
4. The NCAA for punishing Memphis.

UM and its fans are victims, here.
Callipari is not to blame. Rose came certified by the very body that now punishes many good fans and a good city. And even UK suffers a bit today. As does coach Cal.

I blame Rose just as much. Granted he may have been forced into this by a corrupt set of rules; but he didn’t have to cheat. He could have studied harder.

but if you ask me Memphis got off easy. I despise the NCAA, but with that said, I don’t think that they would be punishing without justifiable cause. This punishment is nothing. Yes their banner is gone but compared to what we went through in the 80’s, this is NOTHING! I don’t feel sorry for them at all. Maybe that is why Memphis got off as easy because the evidence wasn’t as strong but enough to warrant the punishiment. All I know is that Kentucky got as close to the death penalty as you could get with similiar accusations. Remember there is still the issue of money being paid to fly a parent to a game. I think Memphis got off lucky. When you play in the NCAA, you must comply to their stupid and ridicolous rules. You then need to take responsibilty when they are broken.

Geoff Caulkins is a jerk. I cannot stand him. I wrote of this back in February of last year.

this is great! one side mentions something, another fires back, can debate get any better? the publicity the Cats are getting is wonderful. please continue. more comments on age, intelligence, all good stuff. am I laughing at the silliness, yep, but only with you all, not at you.
This comment is not to be considered slander and is only to be taken in jest. Simply for the purpose of debate.
I think we should show the NCAA and not accept any bids to their tournament. That’ll show them!

Let’s assume that the NCAA has hard evidence that Rose cheated, but Rose still refuses to admit it. Why is Memphis being punished? I haven’t seen any evidence that anyone at Memphis knew (or should have known) that Rose had cheated. Yet all the Memphis players from that year and, like Tru pointed out, all the Kansas players are essentially being punished for something they did not do or know about. How is this a fair punishment? How does the punishment fit the facts of the violation? How does the punishment have any future deterrent effect on future conduct by players such as Rose? This punishment is nonsense.

I really think it is time for the players to start an association of some sort. The NCAA has gotten way too big for its britches if you ask me. Would the NBA, NFL or any other pro league ever met out such a punishment for the acts of one player? It would never happen because the player’s association wouldn’t stand for it. It is time for the players to push back and say that they won’t play unless the NCAA acts reasonably. The NCAA is a huge business, let’s not pretend that it really is anything else at this point. How much money do they lose if the players refuse to play. It is indeed time.

if the players get a union does that mean we won’t have to worry about failed drug tests? Grades, who needs them.

Has anyine contacted Eric Manuel to get his take on this?

make this a secession from the Union…..or in this case the Nazi party…..

any investigation that doesnt turn a profit will then be dropped….and they will turn it into a TV show….oh wait….NCAA already did all of that……darn!

In my sport, horse racing, your horse gets a post-race drug test immediately after a win. While all of the states and tracks are a little bit different, a broad rule-of-thumb is that you can get your check for the purse money that your horse won within about 3-5 days after the race. But the results of the drug test take longer than that. So, it usually isn’t a bad idea to resist the urge to spend all of your check before your drug test has had time to clear.

I have been kidding around with people I know that we might want to treat our 8th Championship kinda the same way— enjoy the heck out of it as soon as it happens…. but maybe not spend all of our money until a little more time has passed… :-)

It is certainly going to be a nice issue to face…. !

The new tournament could be called the UKIT. Invite Duke, North Carolina and Kansas. Of course it would be played in Rupp. Who cares about NCAA trophies.
I bet the above would all come too.

Wonder what the discuss would be if Cal suddenly takes over for Tricky Ricky at the ’ville?

Rose get’s off — he made the NBA richer with his Rookie year so all is well.
Memphis gets screwed (and others with it) because the NCAA will not admit mistakes with the Rose, the one and done issue and its own billion dollar contracts that pretend its money makers are students. I don’t know what the answer is here. I have followed college ball since I was five. I could count by two’s before one’s. Something is wrong here. It’s not coach Cal. It’s the NCAA which is ruled by dollars. Maybe they’re forced to make these concessions to the almighty dollar to fund the myriad money losing athletic programs? I’m not sure. But I follow college ball because the kids play with their hearts. Remember the UK – Duke games in the 90’s. I don’t feel that was all about money. We see in all of this, a much wider issue in D-I College basketball. IMO, Memphis suffers and College Basketball is diminished.

I totally get what all of you are saying about proof and hard facts and everything, but I just cant help but feel nervous. Vacated final fours at TWO different schools??? I LOVE UK and I do support Coach Cal – I really do – I’m nervous all the same though. I cant help it.

Whether Cal is cleared (or, more accurately, not implicated) in this mess is irrelevant. People that want to will use it as evidence against him. Meh, whatever. Embrace the hate. (But as kentuckygirl points out, it sure does make one a little nervous. . . )

But I would quibble with point #2 – I don’t think this impacts Kansas (or their players, fans, etc.) one iota. They know they won that title on the court, and so does everyone else. In fact, they could even argue that Memphis had to cheat and still couldn’t beat them. Is Kentucky’s title in ‘96 diminished by Camby’s agent shenanigans? Does it even come up when one thinks about that season? No, and no.

be careful, too much logic in your comments.

Yeah, right.

and then pretend he’s Tom Cruise in socks. If he fell, All State would insure him. If that didn’t work he could use his American Express card. He’d be Teflon. Chosen ones make money and all is well. He could say, “Yes, I am”.

I appreciate your comments regarding statistical probabilites. Obviously, your are good at Syphering. I also appreciate your comment about someone not being much fun in the sandbox. I’d like to compliment you on making contributions to the sandbox that are very much like those of the neighborhood cats (lower case c).

Agree that the Duke decision should have been rendered years ago, but that shouldn’t exempt Memphis from punishment for breaking the rules.

You are correct. The NCAA did not prove that Rose cheated. The Education Testing Service did, by means we do not know and will probably never know. ETS is a neutral source (not out to get Calipari as some suggest), they are the same folks that validate my SAT scores, and those of my sister and neighbor and future children. They probably won’t show how they caught Rose cheating because they don’t want to show what tools they possess for catching cheaters. So future cheaters don’t find ways to work around the methods they currently employ.

It has come to light that Derrick Rose cheated on his entrance exam. So Memphis played with an illegal player on their roster, and that’s why the wins were vacated. Not because the NCAA is out to get Calipari. I think it was a good decision. Hopefully one that will dissuade future student-athletes from cheating and coaches and programs from not being fully aware of who they are handing the rights to a free collegiate education.

and it doesnt make it past discovery……

and it doesnt matter, because they answer to no one.

It used to be that in this country a man was innocent until proven guilty. That has now become the reverse. Welcome to the New America!

It’s one comment but I think it shows some self absorbtion on his part.

“Rose, in a statement released by his attorney Thursday, said ‘it is satisfying to see that the NCAA could find no wrongdoing on my part in their ruling.’ "

I don’t think I like this guy too much.