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Analysis: No Bright Lines in College Basketball Recruiting

Kentucky president Lee Todd answers a question during a news conference to announce the release of basketball coach Billy Gillispie in Lexington, Ky., Friday, March 27, 2009. (AP Photo/Ed Reinke)

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7 months ago: Kentucky president Lee Todd answers a question during a news conference to announce the release of basketball coach Billy Gillispie in Lexington, Ky., Friday, March 27, 2009. (AP Photo/Ed Reinke)

Today, we have an interesting article from the Washington Post describing how "street agents" and hangers-on are no longer just for the elite recruits like O.J. Mayo and Michael Beasley.  Nowadays, any player with even mid-major talent can attract flies, and some of those flies can be more than just a distraction to college coaches -- they can cause coaches to flirt with NCAA recruiting violations, even unknowingly.

The story is about a guy named Joe Davis, who through connections with his family, wound up looking after the interests of Mychal Parker, a 2010 Rivals.com 4-star who is interested in Kentucky, among many other schools.  Parker is a talented player, but by no means elite, or even particularly likely to ever play in the NBA.

The gist of the story is that Davis, who apparently runs one of those increasingly popular Internet scouting services where colleges can subscribe to his website and obtain scouting information on recruits, was allegedly beginning to control access to Parker by asking for favors and even employment.  The Post article contains a bunch of unattributed quotes implicating Davis in schemes to sell access to Parker for various perks or employment opportunities, but has nothing there that would constitute actual proof of such things.  Still, there is quite a bit of thick, gray smoke raised by this piece.

So what's the connection to Kentucky?  Read on after the jump.

Star-divide

We know that Kentucky is at least somewhat interested in Parker, although Rivals does not list UK among those offering a scholarship.  Still, this gives me a tiny bit of pause:

One reason commonly cited for the proliferation of third-party recruiting is the way the NCAA limits contact between college coaches and recruits. On the first Monday of July, the walls throughout Cincinnati's Fifth Third Arena were adorned with signs explicitly stating that college coaches could have no contact with any player, any player's AAU coach or anyone affiliated with a player. NCAA bylaws designate July as an evaluation period for college coaches, who may observe but not interact with prospective recruits. The NCAA dispatched enforcement officials to many AAU events this summer, in part to monitor coaches' actions.

...

Virginia assistant Ron Sanchez conversed with Davis throughout the second half. Maryland Coach Gary Williams and assistant Rob Ehsan chatted with Davis after the game finished.

Before OBC's second contest a few hours later, Davis spoke separately with Kentucky assistant Orlando Antigua and Virginia Tech assistant Bill Courtney. [emphasis mine]

Okay, so what does this mean?  Well, probably nothing, but it is troubling because if the NCAA were to somehow see Davis as representing Mychal's interests (i.e. "affiliated" with him), I suppose the coaches involved could possibly run afoul of the rule mentioned in the first paragraph.  That seems to be only one of the dangers in associating with these guys, and the inability of almost anyone to talk on the record just shows that the NCAA rule is making it even harder to really figure out who's on first.

Frankly, I can only see this getting worse, and I don't really know that there is anything that can be done by the NCAA that won't threaten their antitrust status.  I suppose the best we can hope for is some kind of clear guidance from them about what constitutes an off-limits person during the evaluation period.  For all I know, such bright-line guidance already exists, but I'm not really aware of it if it does.

Anyway, this is just another illustration of the many potential "gotchas" just waiting to jump up and bite college coaches in the nether regions.  There is no way compliance directors get paid enough money to monitor all this amorphous crap -- they must just do it for the love of parsing minutiae.

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I dont like the 3rd party people at all

in ANY situation…..but I like the NCAA even less…..kudos to whomever figured out a way around ANY rule they have put in place. Until the NCAA starts acting like the body it was created to be, I will be in favor of any attempt to circumvent it. I know that is a hardline opinion, and I do not want our program to run afoul of the NCAA, but the last time the NCAA did something for an athlete that didnt have a string attached, or didnt help them even more was before I was born. And probably before they were an official entity in college athletics.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 18, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We can complain about it

But its a fact of life.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 18, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a thought

I have been thinking about this ever since the whole Derrick Rose test issue arose. What if there was an assistant compliance officer under Sandy Bell that was on Calipari’s staff. Someone that traveled on recruiting trips, oversaw official and unofficial visits, traveled with the basketball team and was available to Calipari and his staff to answer any and all compliance issues/questions? I think this would not only help Calipari, but it would help from a public relations standpoint. Is this feasible?

by UKTimmy on Aug 18, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is indeed someone like that

Her name is Sandy Bell.
She does all of those things you mentioned.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Aug 18, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And I don't think ANYONE could know all the NCAA regs.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 18, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cobb Leaves Campus For Back Exam

Randall Cobb will be examined by a Georgia orthopedist for recurring back pain; disc problems have been ruled out.

"The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it."

- H.L. Mencken

by Wild Weasel on Aug 18, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good news about the disc problems.

He may have a captured nerve. My wife had that problem. It seems like a back problem, but it is just referred pain from the point at which it was captured, usually in the hip area.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Liberate the nerve

So how do we liberate that nerve?

FREE COBB"S NERVE!!!!

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Aug 19, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FREE COBB'S NERVE! FREE COBBS NERVE!

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 19, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're asking the wrong guy.

Chirop would probably be better to speak to that than me. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends on where its entrapped

I haven’t taken the time to read much on it. (I know… professional curiousity should have me foaming at the lips for this one.)

Most likely it is either entrapped by some inflamation as it passes the Sacro-Iliac joint or it could be entrapped between two muscles in the area of the glutes. The piriformis muscle is the most common site of entrapment there.

Most likely what you’re looking at is a visit to the chiropractor (quite honestly… I assume that UK has a team chiropractor, but I don’t know who it is) or physical therapist. Potentially, some therapeutic massage could also be beneficial to him.

Personlly, I’d have him back on the field running routes by the end of the week! ;-)

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 19, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're hired!

Report first thing in the morning

by hoboat33 on Aug 19, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not what we wanna here

hope nothing serious for that young man

by Bluehound on Aug 18, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let him get well before playing him

The Cats need Cobb at 100%, Without his threat in the Wildcat position we are going to be too one dimensional. I hope the young man gets well quick. Hopefully they won’t play him to some and make it worst. Let him get to the best he can be and then use him. We saw enough of injuried players trying to make contributions with Gillispie in his first year here.

by ParisGuy on Aug 18, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate to stir the pot, but

how is the article on the Davis/Parker connection any different than the connection between world wide wes and "fill in the blank’ or the relationship between tyreke evans and his personal trainer that was hired by memphis.

i am behind Cal, but this article is the exact gray area i refer to when i speak of Cal’s modus operandi.

I just seem a bit frustrated because i got blasted for suggesting that there was a gray area with Cal and now you – in your head line – acknowledge in a broad title that there in “No Bright Line” for anyone

again, i am not accusing Cal of any violation but if there is, by your definition, no line, then the only clear point to me is that the best recruiter in the land has to operate in a gray area……..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Aug 19, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is NO difference.

No matter how hard one twists and turns to justfy Cal’s modus operandi. It’s just a matter of time…

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 19, 2009 1:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

Now Hosebag can read the future. Once again, Hosebag ignores the facts. Not only has Calipari never been convicted of an NCAA violation, he has never even been accused of one.

by UKTimmy on Aug 19, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really??? Gosh, I've never read that perspective before.

You remind me of Kevin Bacon
in the final scene of the movie Animal House.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 19, 2009 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

At least...

I am not a sad little man like you that need to come to his teams biggest rival’s blog and try to stir the pot to feel better about himself. HOSEBAG!!!! I wouldnt need a knife or gun to kick your idiot ass.

by UKTimmy on Aug 19, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hilarious.

A ‘virtual threat’ in a blog on the internet. How funny.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 19, 2009 8:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Hoze stopped by to moralize and warn of impending doom?

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you. . .

The UK kind, not the furry kind. . .

by NYCCats on Aug 19, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just like nailing whores in a resturant is Pitino's M.O.

rimshot

First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...

by btcoop71 on Aug 19, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Aug 19, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, as usual, you are mistaken.

There is a big difference. Davis was actually appointed by his father to help Parker. That’s where the problem lies.

Wesley contacts players for his own purposes, and is not in any way a representative of the player. He also does not control access to players like Davis is accused of doing.

Your problem is, you want Wesley’s relationship to be similar to that of Davis, apparently so badly that you don’t even trouble to examine the facts. Which doesn’t surprise me in the least.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a prediction.

1. I could be wrong

2. Calipari may change his ways.

Tru, don’t hurt you back.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 19, 2009 5:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

I’m gentle with myself. I have to be. I’m old. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly get that.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 19, 2009 8:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

"Handlers"

What is the difference in all this and “handlers” that are always mentioned in connection with recruits. Seems to me they are a third party representing the recruits interest as well. Who’s to say certain “handlers” dont have connections with coaches?

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 19, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one Tink......

there is no more difference in the people doing this and agents than there is in a pair of fine hairs. These people do everything they can in their capacity to help the people they represent. That’s the definition of an agent if you ask me. Compensation is a secondary matter. All of them do it for what they may receive on the back end anyway.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 19, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clear as mud.

LOL! Thanks, ABC. ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 19, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See my response to Hozeking.

There is a big difference.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for someone that is so secretive....

…you seen awful sure of yourself on how and why Wes operates. Wow.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 19, 2009 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

…it isn’t exactly a mystery. It’s just a mystery how he uses it to make money.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Register these people as brokers

Top level recruits and their families need skilled representation in dealing with college coaches, the recruiting assistants, the shoe companies, academic entrance requirements and NCAA rules. The way to manage the situation is to require these reps to get NCAA certification (via training, background checks and testing). Then a coach would know who he was talking to. If a reps screws up, jerk the certification. If the coach talks to an uncertified broker, then the coach gets rapped.

Its better than ignoring the current situation.

by Fortunatus on Aug 19, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Strongly agreed

It is unrealistic, given the amount of potential money involved for some of these kids, to expect a teenager and his (perhaps unsophisticated) parents to navigate the shark tank that is college recruiting. It is completely unsurprising that they would turn to outside advisors for assistance (one could of course question the ability/motives of those advisors, but that is another matter).

Providing some sort of formal process would help the situation, though I am sure there will then be those that try to skirt that system. Cross that bridge when you come to it. . .

The UK kind, not the furry kind. . .

by NYCCats on Aug 19, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And how would you propose that these "brokers" be paid

Therein lies the 100,000 dollar question.

Hiring an agent is certainly a “no no” under the current rules. Agreeing to represent a kid for future consideration is likewise taboo. The only way under the NCAA rules to do it is to pay cash in hand up front. How many of these families could afford that?

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Aug 19, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is why the system is a joke,

they never contemplated all of these scenarios when they developed the NCAA….dump it and start over, or at least bring in people to revamp the system and put things in place that will make this type of thing possible. Unless you want NIKE running college basketball instead. And NO that is not a WWW slap…..lol

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 19, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dorothy, there is no bogeyman behind the curtain.

The NCAA was formed and is ‘owned’ by the schools themselves. It is bot a police-state. Go tilt at another windmill.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 19, 2009 5:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Are you sure ...

… it’s not a bot? It might be … :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't scare me!!

I’ll continue to use this darn Blackberry whether I can see the screen or not. ;-)

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Aug 19, 2009 8:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

They get paid

when the kids they advise get pro contracts and are no longer subject to NCAA scrutiny. There is no need to have a quid-pro-quo agreement. If the advisor/friend/handler/agent maintains good relations with the recuit, he/she will be handsomely compensated after the prospect is out of NCAA jurisdiction. If 1 out of every 10 kids you represent gets a big pro contract, you will make a good living. It’s an investment of time that monetizes 3-5 years down the road.

by Fortunatus on Aug 19, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two Faces Of NCAA

At the risk of larruping a deceased equine I would point out that the schizophrenic nature of the NCAA, i.e. one the face of education and amateurism and the other an intentionally obscured visage of commercial opportunism, is the central purveyor of the described situation. Until the NCAA can establish its own bright line we’ll be faced with the hypocrisy so prevalent in today’s sports enterprises.

"By continuing a process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens."
-John Maynard Keynes

by Wild Weasel on Aug 19, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tell it all brother, tell it all!!!

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Aug 19, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Post Photo & Caption

I can’t believe it’s only been 4 months since the end of Gillispie and Cal’s hiring. It seems like ages…it’s the anxiousness for basketball season.

by mrmondaynite on Aug 19, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My original caption ...

… apparently got eaten. What wound up there is the default, and I don’t feel like trying to change it back. Frankly, I forgot what I said. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Aug 19, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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