Kentucky Basketball: What do Urban Meyer and John Calipari Have in Common?
The answer to the lede is, "An offensive system which recruits for itself," namely, the Spread Option and the Dribble Drive Motion offense.
If you think about it, it's amazing how much the Dribble Drive Motion offense has in common with the Spread Option offense in football. Of course, comparing two different sports is always dangerous because ... well, they're different sports. But I think a comparison between the DDM and Spread Option is interesting for the number of things that they would appear to have in common, if only very, very generally. To wit:
- Both offenses isolate players in space, giving the advantage to teams with superior athletic skills -- the idea of the Spread Option is to get the ball to fast, dynamic offensive players with a "bubble" of room around them to elude tacklers. The more athletic the offensive player and the bigger the bubble, the more yardage the play is likely to gain.
That's similar to the philosophy of the DDM. The DDM spreads the floor to force defenders far enough apart to create driving lanes, (space) to allow the more athletic player to use his athletic skill to take the defender off the dribble. This provides the same isolation benefits as the Spread Option attack. - Both offenses are option offenses -- in the Spread, the quarterback has several options in most sets, and reads the defense to determine which option to employ -- the QB keeper, the pitch-out, the shuffle-pass, or a regular pass.
The DDM is similar. The initiator's first and most desirable option is to take the ball to the hole for a layup. After that, the second most desirable option is to dump the ball inside to an uncovered big man stationed on the weak side. The third option is a pass or skip-pass to an uncovered player beyond the 3-point arc for an open shot. Finally, if none of the above are available, the offense is reset and run again. - Both offenses draw the best recruits from high school like flies to honey -- Offensive players moving from high school to college love the Spread Option offense, as it allows them to showcase their offensive skills and exploit their athletic advantage over the defense. The only exception to this is sometimes the quarterbacks, and that is largely due to the fact that very few NFL teams utilize the spread option to any degree, and unless you are an exceptional talent like Tim Tebow, it can get you labeled as a "system" player and hurt your draft chances.
The DDM is very similar to the kind of offense that elite high school players run in the AAU, and coming from AAU ball to a DDM offense is very comfortable for most players, particularly guards. On the other hand, power players will not like the DDM as well, as it requires less of the power game and more ballhandling, something that bigger players are neither used to, nor will see much at the next level. So just as with the spread, the "sell" to bigger players can be a bit more difficult than to a guard or wing player.
But when it comes to moving to the next level, the "one on one" aspect of the DDM is one of the better systems for preparing a player for the NBA.
More after the jump.
If you look at the big Spread Option coaches, like Urban Meyer and Rich Rodriguez, you will see that these guys are able to recruit the cream of the crop of athletic talent every year for their scheme. Of course, it isn't just the offense, it is also the success these guys have had running it, the number of players they have put into the NFL, and the overall excellence of the program that attracts recruits. Still, a large part of it is a system that is friendly to the player and fits the way they want to play the game.
The very same is true of the DDM. Most AAU players, particularly guards and wings, that play in the elite levels of the AAU will find the DDM to be very friendly to their eye and game as it exists today. Of course, that doesn't mean that AAU players can just come right in and land a starting spot. They still have to learn to play defense, as defense is something that the AAU simply doesn't teach at any level, and it shows. This Wall Street Journal article of about a month back clearly illustrates, with quotes from such AAU luminaries as Michael Beasley and Brandon Jennings, exactly why AAU ball is very poor preparation for the well-rounded player.
Of course in football, there is no direct analogue to the defensive aspect of the game. Offensive players play offense, and defensive players play defense. The days of iron-man football have long since passed into history, and what we are left with is a highly specialized game where only a very few special players can actually play multiple positions effectively. Basketball still requires that the five guys on the floor at any one time both put the ball in the basket and stop the other team from doing so.
In summary, the DDM and Spread Option look very similar in many aspects, not the least of which (and perhaps, the most important of which) are the ease with which the coaches who successfully implement them can repeatedly sign the most athletically skilled players available. For Meyer, Calipari and Rodriguez, their style is what drives their recruiting success, more so even than the schools that they serve. And of course, the better your players, the better your team. That is a truism that will simply never be otherwise.
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So what you're saying is that Calipari needs to go find a virgin to run the point?
I’m betting John Wall doesn’t qualify. ;-)
That being said… if Calipari can deliver 2 national titles in his first four years, I’ll be more than pleased.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Heh.
Well, I agree with your last comment. The first one, well … okay. :-)
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 10, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I just cannot find it in my heart
to appreciate Urban Meyer….I can respect him if I dont think about where he coaches…..but that orange and blue just turns my stomach…..that having been said, if he ever comes to his senses and wants to come north………………..;-)
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I bet
if Urban Meyer was coaching at UK, you’d find a way to appreciate him. Brooks is doing a fair job of making our program better, but as illustrated with Calipari vs. BCG, there’s an instant star-power associated with a big name, and knowing what brings top prospects to your school goes a long way. Calipari is right, one way or another, the main way to win is to get the best players. There are a few exceptions, but not many. When Tom Izzo takes home a championship, I’ll be a believer.
Well, I did leave it as an open ended statement
I know the guy can coach, there is no doubt to it…..I do wonder sometimes if these coaches that are really successful are a by-product of the system they have, like Tru said above….if Urban Meyer is running the Veer, or a classic college I-formation, or the old Ohio State Woody Hayes “3yds and a cloud of dust”, I am not sure he would be as popular…..So it begs the question, “Did Tim Tebow make Urban Meyer, or did Urban Meyer make Tim Tebow??”
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Neither one made the other.
Tim Tebow would have gone wherever there was a Spread-type offense. Urban Meyer didn’t turn Tebow into a spread QB.
Urban Meyer owned the Mountain West when he was at Utah prior to defecting to UF. In 2004, his team secured a BCS bid – the first team from non-automatically qualifiying BCS conference to get into a BCS bowl. Overall, he went 22-2.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"Defect" is harsh.
I do not want to come off as disdaining Meyer’s move.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
So it takes a "spread-type offense " quarterback to make the system
successful? Do we have any of those types of quarterbacks here at UK?….and if so, are we not using them correctly??
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We do...
His name is Randall Cobb and we used him that way some last year.
The problem is… you need about 4 receivers who are better than their counter-parts on the opposing defense. We did not have those.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
Yep
Cobb sure cant throw it to himself.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Aug 10, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It takes a "spread" QB to make a "spread" system successful, yes.
BUT, we don’t run a spread offense…with QBs of the present and recent past such as Hartline, Woodson, Boyd, and Lorenzen, we’ve been running a pro-style offense.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Should we be running a spread style offense?
And is that something we could go to on a limited basis to keep Cobb more involved?
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As prior posters have noted,
we don’t have the personnel right now to run the spread offense. If Cobb is in at QB, it is likely that some kind of spread-style or Wildcat play has been called. However, if we don’t have threats at WR that Cobb has the option to throw to, opposing defenses will bare down on Cobb knowing he will run.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Spread offense
personnel aside we dont WANT to run a spread offense.
Kentucky’s recruiting game is picking up BECAUSE we run a pro style offense. The NFL coaches of Stevie Johnson and Burton have been extremely complimentary of UK’s offense because it prepares players for the next level, something the spread doesnt often do. UK running a pro style offense is a great recruiting tool. These days everyone runs the spread. It’s sets us apart.
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Yep.
And even though we will run some spread sets, our base offense is, and probably always will be (at least during, and probably even after Brooks’ term) a pro-set.
And I personally think that’s for the best, for all the reasons you stated.
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 10, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
enter Morgan Newton
First time I shot her, I shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
He is close to the prototype for a spread offense.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So are his talents going to be wasted in our pro-set?
I guess what I am driving at, is this pro-set able to be modified and adapted to the players we get?…..We preach that Cal is going to be able to modify the DDMO to the players he has…..Is Coach going to be able to get all that talent at QB that is on the bench ( for now)….but mon nite is not the first person I have heard say that about Newton. Wildcat offense aside, if we get these types of players Cobb, Newton…..that have the ability to open things up what could this team become? And are we on the brink of something new for this program in terms of the talent being able to execute the game plan?
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Well ...
… Newton is capable of playing in a pro set as well. There is really no reason to change the offense, as we are already putting in spread sets for Cobb.
I think you can expect to see some spread sets at times, but I believe most of our offense will be run from the pro set just as it has since Brooks has been here.
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Both
I love college sports because of the heart the players put in them, the game from a recruiting perspective is also more fun, you DO get teams with “inferior” talent that go deep in the tourney, you also get lower rated prospects that blossom in their junior and senior years and make a difference, but when it comes down to the final two, I would argue that talent almost always rises to the top, year after year. So….Tebow is good, but the type of recruiter Meyer is, enables Tebow to have a good supporting cast.
though
all that being said. the Utes got robbed. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/100658-utah-beats-alabama-utes-should-be-no-1-in-the-country
I respect the hell out of Urban Meyer.
He has had some players with questionable backgrounds, but what consistently successful college football program doesn’t? I would take Urban Meyer as UK’s coach any day. To me, the best 5 college football coaches in the nation are Meyer, Jim Tressel, Pete Carrol, Nick Saban and Mack Brown. The strength of these men’s teams certainly works in their favor in my list.
by mrmondaynite on Aug 10, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, they are good
but, if they don’t hire outstanding assistants, none of them would be where they are today
Okay Tru, I think I understand?
The Spread Option and the DDMO are most effective when carried out by the most talented players available, and the most talented players available, are drawn to the schools with most effective offense, which is most effective with…and so on? LOL
Hmmm, you have taken apples to oranges (different sports), and showed how they can really be apples to apples. Great post, Tru.
:-)
Blue... there is no other color to Bleed !!!
Heh.
Well, that’s not quite the reasoning I used, but it’s close enough. :-)
Thanks.
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DDM
should be gaining popularity with big men.
The NBA game has really evolved in the past decade due to the dearth of true centers in the league from having one power forward and one center to often playing two forwards together. The true center as we call it is a dyeing breed and im not sure why but these days your as likely to find a 7 footer playing on the perimeter in the NBA as you are under the basket. Having two capable big guys who can handle the ball and stretch defenses is becoming the norm. This should lead young bigs looking to develop to become more interested in the system.
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Yeah ...
… but true “big men” in the Shaq and/or Howard style are all about touches close to the basket. Even though that’s technically the second option in the DDM, it’s the easiest one to defend of the three.
It’s tougher to sell big men on the DDM who are not mobile and/or good shooters. Touches close to the basket in DDM sets would be rare, if the defense is even marginally competent.
But you are right, the trend is more toward power forwards in the NBA than just one true center. But you still see true centers going high every year. I think we will likely see UK do without a true center for most of Calipari’s tenure. I think his emphasis will be on Patrick Patterson-style players who can post, but who also possess the ability to play on the perimeter (although Patterson has yet to prove the latter, I think he will).
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by Glenn Logan on Aug 10, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
True Centers
There is definitely a premium on them seeing as how as they are increasingly rare but it’s usually a role of the dice whether they will pan out or not. Take Greg Oden for example. He was picked over Kevin Durant. KD averaged 25ppg last season. Oden still has plenty of time to pan out but can you imagine the blazers with KD and Roy instead of Oden and Roy.
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