Kentucky Basketball: A few debts to settle next year
Recent years here in the Bluegrass have been lean ones. It may be hard to believe, but UK basketball has never, since the AP started ranking college basketball teams in the late 1940's, suffered through four consecutive years unranked. UK basketball has also never in modern basketball history suffered through a four-year stretch with a lower winning percentage.
It's really hard to believe that for most of the years this blog has been in existence, Kentucky basketball has been suffering through one of its all-time lows. I know that many will point to the "death penalty" years and the "Kentucky's Shame" years as much more significant low points, but if you take a look at it honestly, you will see that despite punishment from the NCAA, lost scholarships, no post-season play and all that, UK basketball never sank to the depths that it has seen the last four years. After the season was cancelled in 1952-53, Kentucky came back to go undefeated in the next year. After NCAA punishment in 1990, Kentucky came back the very next year to go 22-6 and an AP ranking of 9th, and had an unbroken string of years ranked in the top 25 from then until 2005-06.
Just to get this fixed into perspective let's take a quick look at some charts and graphs. First, the last four years:
| Season |
Won | Lost | Winning % | Rank |
| 2005-06 | 22 | 13 | 0.63 | - |
| 2006-07 | 22 | 12 | 0.65 | - |
| 2007-08 | 18 | 13 | 0.58 | - |
| 2008-09 | 22 | 14 | 0.61 | - |
| Totals | 84 | 52 | 0.62 |
Now, let's compare that to the previous ten years:
| Season | Won | Lost | Winning % | Rank |
| 1995-96 | 34 | 2 | 0.94 | 2nd by AP and 2nd by CNN/USA Today |
| 1996-97 | 35 | 5 | 0.88 | 5th by AP and 2nd by CNN/USA Today |
| 1997-98 | 35 | 4 | 0.9 | 5th by AP and 1st by USA Today/ESPN |
| 1998-99 | 28 | 9 | 0.76 | 8th by AP and 5th by USA Today/ESPN |
| 1999-00 | 23 | 10 | 0.7 | 19th by AP |
| 2000-01 | 24 | 10 | 0.71 | 9th by AP |
| 2001-02 | 22 | 10 | 0.69 | 16th by AP |
| 2002-03 | 32 | 4 | 0.89 | 1st by AP and 4th by USA Today/ESPN |
| 2003-04 | 27 | 5 | 0.84 | 2nd by AP and 8th by USA Today/ESPN |
| 2004-05 | 28 | 6 | 0.82 | 7th by AP and 5th by USA Today/ESPN |
All stats courtesy of Jon Scott's Big Blue History pages.
As a comparison, Kentucky's current winning percentage over 2,624 games played is .76. Never in modern history has UK undergone a four-year stretch with this many losses, or a winning percentage this low. No matter how you look at it, the last four years have got to be considered Kentucky's Long Night -- a time when civilization as we UK fans know it has collapsed, and the barbarians have run amok in our lands, pillaging and plundering the crown jewel of college basketball. Lesser rivals have risen to conquer the SEC, and the pride of Kentucky reduced to its lowest level in memory.
During this long and difficult interregnum, several teams from the SEC and elsewhere have risen up from the ranks to deal Kentucky some body-blows to it's proud tradition and fans. The purpose of bringing this to your attention, dear reader, is to remind you that we have a few unpaid debts lying around. I think most of you will remember the famous Duke game of 1992 where Christian Laettner put a dagger through our collective heart with his last-second shot that cost UK a trip to the Final Four. That debt (to my mind, anyway), was paid in full in the 1998 South Regional Finals in St. Petersburg, when UK send the Blue Devils home on the cusp of a Final Four. But during this historic downturn, there are several teams which have earned a bit of retribution, and now that Kentucky is strong again, it is something for fans to look forward to.
The big names living in infamy right now, at least for me, go like this:
- North Carolina -- The Tarheels have beaten Kentucky in each of the last five seasons. Tyler Hansbrough never knew what it was like to lose to UK, and listening to Tarheel fans has been insufferable.
- Louisville -- Louisville owns two back-to-back wins over the Wildcats, including a 14-point drubbing in 2008. If Tarheel fans have been insufferable, Louisville fans have been loathsome.
- Kansas -- Kansas is the owner of three in a row over UK, including an embarrassing 73-46 thumping in 2006. Kentucky owns a 19-6 historical advantage over the Jayhawks, and three losses in a row is more than enough.
- Florida -- The Gators own an impressive 8 wins in the last 10 games versus Kentucky. It's one thing when a traditional powerhouse like North Carolina owns you for five straight years, but quite another when a nuveau riche SEC team like Florida owns an 8-2 stretch against you. UK needs to set that aright.
- Vanderbilt -- Similar to Florida, the Commodores have an impressive 6-2 record over the last 8 games against Kentucky, including a nasty 93-52 smack-down in 2008 that still hurts like bad case of the shingles.
- Mississippi State -- the Bulldogs have defeated UK the last three encounters, starting with a heartbreaking three-point shot by Jamont Gordon in the 2007 SEC tournament.
- South Carolina -- South Carolina defeated Kentucky in a thriller at Rupp Arena last year, then reprised that victory with a humiliating 77-59 drubbing in Columbia which still has this UK fan chafing.
- Marquette -- Kentucky has beaten Marquette only twice in the last seven tries, and the Golden Eagles are one of the few teams that have enjoyed significant success against UK over the years. They currently have a 3-game winning streak over Kentucky.
Most, but not all of these streaks and indignities have been heaped upon UK in the last four years. This year, it's time to get some of these moving back in their historical direction, and put "Paid" to a few debts we owe for rough treatment at the hands of some of our foes. Obviously, we will still lose some games even with our much stronger team next year, but there are several games on the schedule which would have much more meaning than just an ordinary win or loss, starting with #1 on the list. We likely won't see Kansas or Marquette unless we play them in the NCAA tournament, but the rest we get every year.
Next year could be a very good year if we can show some of these schools why our nickname is the Wildcats.
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If It's Any Consolation
UNC from 2001 through 2004 was even worse than UK from 2006 through 2009.
But UNC has recovered quite nicely from 2005 through 2009.
Just 1 example – UCLA, Duke, others have seen comprable recovries from mult-year periods of sub-par performance.
UK had a very sub-par record from 1960 through 1967, then won 6 straight SEC titles.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 7, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UK Has A Sub-Par Record Head-2-Head Versus UNC Ever Since Dean Smith's Days
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/NorthCarolina.html The number of L far outweigh the W by UK. The 4 game W streak by UK in the early 2000’s is the exception.
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Duke.html Equally putrid versud Duke over last 30 years.
It’s time to turn those numbers around.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 7, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
History Repeats? Post WW2 Results At UK
1944 through 1959 (no games played in 1953) were 15 years of outstanding results.
1960 through 1967 brought 8 years of mediocre results compared to the earlier 15 years.
1991 through 2005 were 15 years of results comparable to the 15 years above.
2006 through 2009 are in the same relative area as the 1960’s above.
Calipari will dominate the next 10 years like either of the 15 year periods above.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 7, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GREAT post, Tru.
Definitely an eye-opener. I didn’t think it was possible to be any more excited than I was about the upcoming season until I read this and realized how much we have to prove, and even more importantly, how capable we are of that proof.
by mrmondaynite on Jul 7, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most Wanted for Usurpation of the Basketball Throne
Someone should make a most wanted poster. I’d like to post it by my desk and cross them off one by one over the next few years. I’d take a crack at it but I’m a poor graphic artist.
by from_left_to_right_on_your_radio_dial on Jul 7, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Unfortunately, so am I. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 7, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From a KU fan
I’d really like to see our 2 schools set up another series – one that lasts more than 2 years. If I recall correctly, Coach Rupp was particularly tough on his alma mater so we have a lot of ground to make up. I always enjoy seeing traditional powers play each other (something we rarely get to see in football outside of conference rivalries). I think it’s cool that you all play UNC and IU every year. I would love to see my school do something similar although we’ll never have a series with UNC as long as Roy is their coach.
I think it’s more likely now that a series might be set up between our 2 schools in the near future now that Billy G is gone. Self and Billy are very close friends so I’m not sure they would have renewed the series if Billy G was coach. On the other hand, KU and Memphis play each other next season in St. Louis in a game that was largely agreed upon prior to Calipari leaving for UK. That indicates to me that coaches Self and Calipari don’t seem to be averse to playing each other. We’ll see.
Assuming both teams play to their potential, an NCAA tournament meeting next season should be for very high stakes (at least a Final Four berth).
by KU_Lew on Jul 7, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KU Has 5 W In Last 8 Games
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Kansas.html Overall UK leads, 19-6.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 7, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link
I had not realized that most of the UK-KU matchups occurred post-Adolph Rupp. Unfortunately for my alma mater, most of those games were played in the Ted Owens era at Kansas. Owens’ teams of the late 70’s and early 80’s were known for chronically underachieving. Still, they should have been able to steal a game here and there from UK, especially at home. Kudos to UK for dominating the series like they did.
by KU_Lew on Jul 8, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post Tru
I am so ready for our return to glory. I want to say that Jon Scott’s website is so wonderful to have access to. It can exist because of our determined fans and great players. UK is so great and will continue to be. That is what we do.
I would like to have one of the “most-wanted” posters. Sooooo much! ! I do not have as much time as I used to, but would really like to make one. I am sure someone very artistic can accomplish that. We do have a list to start with. :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jul 7, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Closest I Can Find (1960 Through 1963)
The W-L % is higher but those 4 years were mediocre by UK standards of the 1940’s and 50’s. Both NCAA appearances were the result of Miss St declining to play teams with black players in NCAA games (per state law back then).
1962-63 16 9 .64 Adolph Rupp Harry Lancaster, Rudy Davalos, Ballard Moore, Neil Reed Unranked by AP Scotty Baesler -
1961-62 23 3 .885 Adolph Rupp Harry Lancaster, Ted Lenhardt, Jerry Gray 3rd by AP and 3rd by UPI Larry Pursiful SEC Champions [Co-Champion (Mississippi State)]; Participated in the Mideast Region of the NCAA Tournament
1960-61 19 9 .679 Adolph Rupp Harry Lancaster, Doug Hines, Ted Lenhardt 20th by AP and 18th by UPI Dick Parsons Accepted NCAA bid when Mississippi State declined
Participated in the Mideast Region of the NCAA Tournament
1959-60 18 7 .72 Adolph Rupp Harry Lancaster Unranked by AP Bill Lickert and Don Mills -
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 7, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heels v UK
I notice that you anticipate retribution, with my Heels at UK enemy position #1. We enjoy UNC wins over UK, especially our away games. My first attendance at a BIG game was in Memorial when Dean whipped the Baron with a slowdown. A low was the Issel game in the Charlotte Coliseum, a UK win that left the proverbial bad taste in my mouth.
I think we have a good chance in Rupp this season, but we’ll hope to run UK into oblivion, not bore them to sleep. Just like last year at home.
From my seat in the Smith Center (upper deck, so I don’t have closest views) the last two times UK came to town, I’d say the returning talent is better for the Heels. And the recruiting classes are not that far apart. Does anybody wish to contest that Deon Thompson & Ed Davis might just eat your lunch?
Glad this annual game is still on the schedule. Pitino was a coward and cancelled the series, but Tubby had cojones. I hope we swap annual games forever.
Best of luck and let’s hope for an entertaining contest!
by Ford Prefect on Jul 7, 2009 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dear Ford
Let’s just say anything goes and leave it at that…..Tru is trying to tech us all that being rude and antagonistic doesnt help……even when we are right…..glad you enjoyed the last few years….they will be a good memory for you…..cause from here it gets ugly…..
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 7, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you fail to realize
how much of an impact losing lawson is going to have. And without Hansbourgh in the game for the refs to call fouls for, I dunno where you are going to get your points.
I would love to see Thompson or davis try to “eat the lunch” of patterson. Love to see it.
And the recruiting classes are leagues apart. Wall alone sets UK into a whole nother stratosphere.
by BleedinUKBlue on Jul 7, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lawson will be missed
Lawson was the closest we probably will ever see to the perfect point guard for Roy. The Heels will be forced to suck it up. Let’s hope we can
Concerning the lack of points due to the absence of Tyler Hansbrough, please remember last season’s game in Chapel Hill. Hansbrough did not dress out, but how many points were scored?
by Ford Prefect on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ouch...
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Jul 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have 3 players at 6'9" or above
And that should constitute around between 800-900 lbs.
Those twigs weigh in 620 lbs. I’m not too worried about your recruiting class
by BleedinUKBlue on Jul 7, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino
He was 0-3 versus UNC in his UK days. I’m not sure he ever defeated the Tar Heels – Providence or Louisville days???
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 7, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only bright spot on the list is the LACK of UT
At least we have not had to hear from the UT fans – that would have been the worst.
also, the loss to lowly UGA on senior night last year bothers me as much – as well as the loss in the tournament moved by the tornado to tech. i would love to blow them out a couple of times…..
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Jul 7, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
worst two games last year
I would agree with the Georgia game and add the smack down at South Carolina. REVENGE!!!
by hoboat33 on Jul 7, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...
the front page of my favorite UK website has photos of Roy W., Coach K, Bill Self, BCG and a Jayhawk (2x) .
I’m…urp….feeling a little…urp….nauseated….ack
by atom on Jul 7, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what is with these pics anyway??
Ugh………..
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jul 7, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Revenge?
To quote David Letterman, “The Cardinal is the fiercest of the Robin-sized birds!”
by don'tshootmei'macard on Jul 7, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahaha
I’ve never heard that one before! That’s so awesome. I’ll have to make that my facebook fave quote come basketball season.
by blue kentucky girl on Jul 7, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I didn’t mean for the quote to be used against us! Letterman was referencing his alma mater, Ball State…but it works here.
UofL needs to change their name to something that can kill a wildcat. How about the Louisville Poachers?
by don'tshootmei'macard on Jul 7, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…the Wildcat isn’t exactly the ‘King of the Jungle’when it comes to cats. I mean it’s really just a ‘liddle puddy cat’. Doesn’t exactly put the fear in you…unless you’re a field mouse.
Why do I feel like a kid now? This is just about a dumb as bragging and fretting over 18 year old recruits.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 8, 2009 12:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Let me tell you something there Hoze
you hit the woods hunting and run into a Wildcat and see how your day goes from there. Unless you use a gun on it, that Wildcat is about as tough as anything else you will run into, and God help you if you end up in the trees with one. As for being “King”……I dont see anyone in Kentucky or the rest of the U.S. for that matter spending a lot of time in the “Jungle”. And even my daughter’s Tabby Cat can kill a Cardinal…….
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 8, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'...end up in the trees...'
????
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 8, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When hunting squirrels, raccoons and the like,
you sometimes have to climb trees to retreive them….you dont get to get out a lot up there in L-Town do you?
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 8, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, boy....dem squirrels and coons are good eats.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 8, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually its better to stuff them and sell them to unsuspecting
city folk from Louisville or some other backwards town up north…..you would be amazed what some fools will pay for a stuffed coon up there…..lol
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 9, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, all the hot young things are walking down Michigan Avenue with coon skin caps.
Right, Forty?
Seriously, you really need to get out of the backwoods….every once in awhile.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 9, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoze
It might surprise you to know that many, and I mean many UK fans enjoy living not in the “backwoods” as you said, but in God’s country away from the hustle and bustle of big cities. There have many people move to my relatively small town of Campbellsville in the past 10+ years. They wanted to get away from the West Coast and the Northeast and start over in a very different atmosphere where your neighbors are actually your friends and people in the community know them by name. It’s a completely different life for these people.
And I would venture to say with ABC living so close to Lake Cumberland that he has seen the same influx. Ky is God’s country.
by kykat51 on Jul 9, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'...some other backwards town up north...'
Kykat…..I agree entirely. I never denegrate the backwoods or God’s country. Just like I wouldn’t the ‘big city’, unlike some others.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 9, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Both the country and the city are pretty wonderful in their own way. Me, I’ll take living in the country, because I love the quiet and the space and the natural beauty, but I love, LOVE to travel to big cities for the food and the culture and the shopping and the energy. So I don’t share a lot of my fellow rural peoples’ city antipathy, but I think a big reason for it is actually kinda vadid—the general modern consensus seems to be that urban areas are where all even moderately reasonable, intelligent, educated and enlightened people reside. Rural people (especially working class rural people) are damn near invisible in contemporary popular culture! And when we show up, it’s often in a Deliverance kind of way. I wish the frustration that people feel about this wouldn’t show up as a dripping disdain the high-falutin’ big cities, but there ya go.
by blue kentucky girl on Jul 9, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all honesty
I have lived in quite a few major cities east of the Mississippi, including, Mobile,Cincinnati,Indianapolis, Lexington,Chicago,Baltimore,Columbus, and Dayton, OH my hometown. I have enjoyed almost every place I have lived for one reason or the other. Forty’s Chicago offered the biggest challenge, because I was scared to death of going, Baltimore was the biggest surprise, because I was never ever made to feel like I wasnt at home, and Cincinnati was by far the worst, with the exception of being so close to my Reds and Bengals. But I have never been any more “at home” than right where I am.
I still go to Nashville and Lexington on a regular basis, for a change of pace, but I can never see myself again fighting rush hour traffic, neighbors that can look in your back window from theirs, or bumping into someone just trying to cross the street. I will not however put up with someone looking down their nose at me because they think I am some uneducated lout who not only doesnt believe in bathing but thinks that it may be unhealthy. I have friends here who make a living selling anything with the words “Lake Cumberland” printed on it to people that simply want to take home a piece of what they desire the most, the ability to relax. Piece of mind can be pretty expensive if you are not careful, just ask some of those folks that come down here and drop 10k in a week so they can “get away from it all”….
I have running water,electricity,cell phones, internet, indoor plumbing, 300 channels of satellite, 2 SUV’s, a sport boat, and a view overlooking a pond with a fountain from the hillside where I reside in my 2300 sq ft 2 story brand new house. It’s a gated community, and that’s about as “backwoods” as I have to get unless I decide to go fishing, hunting, or just sightseeing around here. Us “rednecks” do pretty good for ourselves occasionally.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 10, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Get Over To Michigan Avenue Very Often
I don’t see many “Davy Crockett” hats around here.
I enjoy Kentucky AND Chicago. You should, too.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 9, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, but I do.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 9, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Or a Cardinal. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 8, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
cardinals look better flattened with a tire track across its back.
by -Zoso- on Jul 8, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A word of warning:
If you intentionally kill our state bird you could be subjected to a hefty fine.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Jul 8, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only if the game warden is a UL grad ;-)
by hoboat33 on Jul 8, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What
the dead bird going to report me? : )
by -Zoso- on Jul 8, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok yall i am posting from my cell . When did this happen ? I just tried it and it worked. Totally cool. Now on topic. Its time for some revenge. I got a good lecture from my mother in law about how kentucky stole her coach.
Kentucky bretheren united once again! Thanks Cal!
by tenken on Jul 9, 2009 3:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Where in the world have you been?
You obviously don’t have to answer that, but I’ve missed your comments over the last month or so.
Hope things are going well.
Tell your month-in-law, if she were a UK fan, she wouldn’t have to worry about such things :)
by Ken Howlett on Jul 10, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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