Summing up UK bball (apparently)

by BleedinUKBlue on Jul 3, 2009 3:56 PM EDT Comment 63 comments

Well this sums up nicely how twisted the rest of the sporting world is when it comes to UK basketball. Kansas blog posted a preseason top 25 and UK was 3rd while Kansas was first. I meant my comment as a joke and the response gave my quite a bit of..wait for it...Schadenfreude!

Let us not forget who lurks only 2 spots below you...

by BleedinUKBlue on Jul 2, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Do you people

just love the hear yourself talk? Seriously, I thought Misery fans were bad with how irrational they are and how much they have a hard on for KU. But, this is ridiculous.

You have been IRRELEVANT for nearly 5 years now. You had a HOF coach in Tubby Smith (WHO WON A TITLE) and you ran him out of town. He was the greatest thing in the world back then, huh? So was Billy G when he was first hired. You guys were so happy that you had that young, top prospect of a coach and were so ready to win multiple titles…. SPLAT! Now you got the ultimate shady dude and you think it’s gonna be different? Why? What’s better about Calipari? He cheats and doesn’t get caught?

Seriously, Kentucky fan (ALL OF YOU), get a life, get over yourselves and please realize that even your shit does stink, too – just like the rest of the world. And, spare me the "all-time winningest program" bullshit. That’s a crutch for a fallen program and a maniacal fanbase that wouldn’t admit that they had a drug problem if you were sprinkiling crack on your cereal instead of sugar.

Your collection of one-and-done players don’t give a shit about playing for Kentucky. They are there because Calipari and how he gets players to The League. None of them even want to be in college period, but for the NBA they have to. It has nothing to do with your "storied program" and how you have "the best fanbase in the country." It’s about the $$$. They will not mesh together and be competitive against a close-knit squad with even close to comparable talent. The first time John Wall jacks up a contested three instead of throwing it into Orton in the post, he’s gonna whine and bitch and sulk all the way down the court and then you’ll turn your back on him – just like you did Tubby Smith. (By the way, that Tubby sure can coach. He’s made Minnesota competitive.)

God, I hate Kentucky fan more than Misery fan. (Right now, at least.)

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by KCsince88 on Jul 3, 2009 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was a joke.

I guess adding a :) makes all the difference in the world.
I’m not here to argue with you, but some myths I just cannot let go by….Tubby was not run out of town. He resigned to the well wishes of the bluegrass, both from people who were happy to see him go and from his many MANY supporters all across the bluegrass because he still had MANY supporters. The fact is his final years were absolutly an embarressment when it came to recruiting, and both him and the school realized it was best for him to part ways. We here wish him all the well and hope he does well in Minnesota. Kentucky went from an upbeat style of play with Pitino to a slow half court with Tubby and fans didn’t want that style of play.Finally, Tubby bowed out gracefully and I for one hope he wins the Big 10 this year. All in all, both parties benefited.
Billy G was…well he was Billy G. Insulting players, calling them crybabys, throwing diapers at players because they couldn’t take his non stop verbal abuse..enough was enough and we are glad hes gone. Billy G is the one who was run out if anyone ever was, hence this ongoing lawsuit.

As for your comments about stuff I never said and regret that it is the view of my team, well, I guess you said it all.

Glad to be apart of Rock Chalk Talk ;)

by BleedinUKBlue on Jul 3, 2009 3:44 PM EDT

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Several Not-Trues In There

Tubby not HOF coach. No one ran him out of anywhere.

UK not irrelevant for 5 years.

On and on.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 3, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Also In Yours

Few well wishes for T when he changed jobs. SOME supporters, not MANY.

UK did not play slow, half court basketball under T. 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 teams did NOT play that way.

His last few years of recruiting were NOT an embarrassment. #1 recruiting class in 2004. #1 JuCo recruit in 2005. Top 15 class in 2006. And Top 10 class in 2007 with Patterson and Lucas ready to sign in March that year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 3, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Forty: Recruiting Classes

A general (NOT Tubby specific) inquiry:

Forty, I really appreciate how you always have recruiting class rankings available— and often find those rankings interesting from a historical perspective. But what I do NOT understand is why you continue to rate a class based on those PRE-PERFORMANCE rankings even AFTER they have had the opportunity to perform on the court, creating an ACTUAL history for themselves.

It is like in horse racing where a young performer that has not yet started is rated in large part based on his pedigree, and projections— but after the horse begins collecting ACTUAL starts, his rating starts to move in the direction away from his pedigree and projections, and towards his ACTUAL performances.

Do you not make the same kind of progression when you ULTIMATELY judge a recruiting class— years after the fact?? And if not—- why in the world not??

If you are going to ULTIMATELY (years after the fact) only hold coaches responsible for how high their recruiting classes scored on a PRE-PERFORMANCE printout from rivals.com or espn.com - and NOT for how the class ultimately performed on the basketball court then you are truly a coach’s best friend.

Coaches are supposed to use their experience and skills and talents to see BEYOND a simple printout from rivals.com in piecing together a recruiting class— and are ultimately held responsible, and judged, for how that class eventually competes on the court - ARE THEY NOT ???

by Sonic on Jul 3, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's How They're Rated

No one – NO ONE – rates recruiting classes after they play in college.

If they did, UK’s 1979 class (one the #1 classes EVER) would be a total flop.

So would the #1 rated class in 1984. Complete, utter flop in college.

The 2004 class at UK would fall into that category.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 3, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pitino's 1996 And 1997 Classes Were Flops, Too

UK was at its pinnacle in the modern era. The #1 program in the nation.

And yet, 2 straight years with no McDonalds A-A recruits. Not even a Top 25 recruit.

Really pathetic recruiting. Magloire had a good senior year in 2000 but was pretty ordinary the rest of his UK years. Evans was decent back-up forward, nothing more. Bradley had a good senior year at Villanova but never did much at UK. Neither Hogan nor Anthony ever belonged at UK.

Agreed?

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 3, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rating vs. Judging

Forty, as you say: “No one – NO ONE – rates recruiting classes after they play in college.”

I guess that’s the beauty of NCAA Basketball—- the REASON that no one rates recruiting classes after they play in college is because any “ratings” are rendered completely irrelevant by a little something called the NCAA Tournament — which actually DETERMINES which classes, and coaches, were ultimately the most successful.

Don’t get me wrong, I think that the PRE-PERFORMANCE class ratings are fun and interesting during the off-season (and I am basking in the glow of this year’s catch just like everyone else) – but they are really only relevant UP TO A POINT— that “point” being when a referee lofts the jump ball for the first actual basketball game. At that point, the ratings start their gradual and inevitable slide into the category of ancient (and irrelevant) history.

My real inquiry had to do with a PHILOSOPHICAL choice that you seem to be making.

When the original poster wrote “The fact is his final years were absolutly an embarressment when it came to recruiting…” the natural instinct that you responded with was to cite PRE-PERFORMANCE rankings instead of ACTUAL HISTORIES to form your rebuttal. And my question to you is…… why?? Why in the world would you choose the former over the latter??

I’ll say it again— my assumption has always been that coaches use their experiences and talents to gain at least some reserve of intuition and “feel” for both the game of basketball and also the players that they recruit to play it— and they use that intuition and “feel” during the process of piecing together a recruiting class. If there is no such thing as a coach having intuition during the recruiting process— or ever being held responsible for it!— and EVERYTHING about how we will ultimately judge or DEFEND a recruiting class (as evidenced by your natural instinct in the above exchange with the original poster) comes down to a simple sort of data on a spreadsheet downloaded from rivals.com then I am really missing something about what coaches are or are not. And what the standards for recruiting are.

Surely you hold coaches to a deeper standard for piecing together a recruiting class than just having them click on rivals.com, find the player rankings, click on the “print” button, and then work their way down from the top… don’t you? If not— then what is all of their YEARS of experience good for? I mean— you and I could just make a simple printout— and I have NO years of experience coaching! :-)

BTW— I am not kidding when I say that many of your statistical references are interesting - I guess we could say though that the USE of PRE-PERFORMANCE class rankings is easily my least favorite of the bunch….

by Sonic on Jul 3, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The 1971 UK Class Is Another Example Of Underachievers

They were undefeated as frosh but then 33-21 their first 2 varsity years.

A talented class in 1974 (one of the 2 or 3 best ever at UK in terms of ACHIEVEMENTS) helped them get to NC game in 1975.

But the ’71 class (mostly) flopped at UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For That Matter

Almost ALL of the recruiting classes in the 60’s – 70’s – 80’s underachieved at UK.

Just 1 NC in 30 years (UK averages 1 NC per 10 years).

Just 4 FF in 30 years (UK averages 2 FF per 10 years).

Pretty much 3 DECADES WORTH of failed recruiting at UK.

By your method, that is.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But What I Think You Are REALLY Saying Is

Tubby bad, everybody else good.

Just say that.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Putting words in peoples' mouths?

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

Reading between the lines.

Nothing wrong with people saying that. I wish they would do so honestly.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I, myself, an a huge Tubby fan.

When I was younger, I either wanted to go to college at Wake Forest (loved Dave Odom) or UK. Definitely went for UK after the Tubby hire.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forty, you are not even CLOSE....

…. to being right about that. I was extremely careful to not only note in my initial post that my inquiry was not Tubby specific at all, but make sure that the ONLY recruiting class that was mentioned specifically is the CURRENT class— of Coach Cal.

My inquiry was ENTIRELY (as in 100%) about the VALIDITY of all of the PRE-PERFORMANCE rankings of recruiting classes (of ANY coach)— and why anyone (in this case you) would still be using them to prop up ANY class that had an ACTUAL history of performance by which to judge it.

For what it’s worth, I think Tubby is an excellent coach who did a very good job at UK. I have gone to wikipedia and looked at his lifetime record— and if someone had printed that page out for me— and covered up his name, and covered up the name of the schools— and just shown me the W/L record, and the conference standings, and the post-season results, I would most definitely have said, “Damn. That guy is pretty good!” The record really does speak for itself.

That being said, there is no doubt that by his last two seasons the wind was DEFINITELY out of the sails in the relationship between Tubby and the UK job. For what reasons, I have no idea. But it most certainly did seem that it was simply time to consider that the relationship had essentially run its best course— that it was possibly trending even further downwards— and quietly moving on without each other would be the best thing to do. Relationships do that sometimes.

As for all of your examples of underachieving recruiting classes at UK over the years – well, I agree with you about all of those! And while I would not exactly call the 30 year span that you cited “3 DECADES WORTH of failed recruiting at UK.” - I do think that only 1 NC and 4 FFs during that span is not something that we can cover up and credibly soothe ourselves by saying, “But just look at how highly rated our incoming recruiting classes were… it’s not our fault!” That line of reasoning just doesn’t hold water.

Which was my point from the beginning. Those PRE-PERFORMANCE class rankings have a very limited shelf life. Justifiably.

by Sonic on Jul 4, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Much-Maliigned 2002 Class (For Example)

Earned two #1 seeds and one #2 seed in 4 years at UK.

Their 4-year record was 109-28 (almost 80%).

Reasonably successful, eh?

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maligned (Typo)

No way to edit.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

Now you’ve got it.

A complete hypothetical:

Coach A: Recruits a “Top 15” class that goes on to early exits in the NCAA Tournament.

Coach B: Recruits a “Not even in the Top 20” class that gets to 2 FFs and 1 NC.

Would you not agree that Coach B is REALLY and TRULY better at piecing together a recruiting class?

And would you not agree that coming back YEARS LATER and defending Coach A’s lack of on-court success by saying “… look, he recruited a Top 15 class” is pretty lame?

Yes. You would agree? Great… we are finally on the same page!

(We also agree that Coach Cal is doing a great job and the future looks pretty bright… but they’re going to have to get it done ON THE COURT….)

by Sonic on Jul 4, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Calipari Will Be The BEST UK Coach Since Rupp In His Heyday

Tom Izzo has been Coach B for years now. His recruits are rarely top rated classes. His teams often are top rated teams.

There is no other way to compare recruiting classes than how they were ranked at the time they were recruited. Pitino’s failed recruiting in 1996 and 1997 left junior and senior classes barren at UK in 2000 and 2001.

Tubby Smith signed players who did very well at UK. His numbers prove that. Many of them made it to the NBA.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

Tom Izzo is admittedly who I had in the back of my mind when I made up the ‘hypothetical’… and I agree with you 100% on that. Who in their right mind would say Izzo isn’t a great recruiter, given what his “recruits” end up achieving?

I also agree 110% with your statement about Tubby Smith. And I personally feel that the statement is a MUCH, MUCH stronger “defense” of Tubby (provided he needs one and you are compelled to provide it) than just throwing out a “years ago he recruited several Top 15 classes” kind of statement. Which in a very, very, very roundabout way is what I was trying to get you to see from the very beginning of this thread— when your initial reaction to the original poster was to go straight to all of those ^#$*@& class rankings from those high school recruiting sites…. when all the while there were some ACTUAL successes from the court to talk about…

by Sonic on Jul 4, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Izzo

One of the very few coaches with better W-L (%) record in NCAA games than overall. Pitino is another one who does.

Izzo has a big advantage in that Michigan produces high caliber basketball players at a much higher rate than many states.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

K And Donovan, Too

Those 4 are the only ones (active coaches) who do.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

More Izzo

239-96 is the record in the 1st decade of the 2000’s.

UK was 240-97 (about the same) those 10 years.

But Izzo was 25-9 in NCAA tourney. UK just 14-9.

He wins the games in mid to late March.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Both Pitino And Tubby Left At The Right Time For Better Opportunities

Pitino’s last recruits at UK were much inferior to his recruits in the early to mid 1990’s. He was destined for a drop. He’s 200-73 in 8 years at U of L.

Tubby has a much better opportunity at Minnesota. He’ll average 25 W there and people will recognize that as SUCCESS not failure (26 W average at UK).

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Proof That 200-73 Is Failure By Pitino

Tubby was 200-70 his last 8 years at UK. Most would call that failure.

Hence Pitino is a failure the last 8 years, too.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Which Coaches Were Most Successful From 1998 Through 2007?

i know one who ranks in Top 5 (among 330+ Div I schools) in Most W, Best W-L % Record, Most W in NCAA games, Best W-L % in NCAA games those 10 years.

And yet, he is thought of as failure by some.

It’s impossible to rate recruiting classes AFTER they finish school. Some transfer. Some leave early for NBA.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Transfers and early NBA Draftees...

make judging classes ‘after the fact’ a little harder. Sure. Agreed. (And you could even throw in players whose careeres are cut short by injuries, as well.)

But these are not the majority of players.

After a player—- or class— has about 2-3 years or so of ACTUAL performances to go by then it becomes much easier to start forgetting about how high they were rated by these recruiting sites, doesn’t it ?! And start judging them on their own merits?

Why is that so hard to do?

by Sonic on Jul 4, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

UK (2003 Thru 2007) Won Almost 77% Of Its Games

The recruits were 100% from the post Pitino era. And 77% is better than UK all-time (76%) record. I’d say they were reasonably successful at UK.

The #1 classes at UK (1971, 1979, 1984, 1988, 2004) were largely flops.

The #1 class in 1992 did better than any of those 5 other #1 rated classes.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

5 years irrelevant

During those 5 years Tubby Smith was coach for the last 3. Making criticial mistakes on recruits and refusing to make changes in a subpar staff led to his undoing. By his own hand in other words. To think Patterson was going to sign with UK until tubby left is wrong. When tubby made the same statement after he left Patterson was asked about it. He laughed and replied that’s the first he had ever heard of it.

by blue4ever1 on Jul 3, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Not Irrelevant AT ALL

Last 5 years – 2005 Elite 8 with 28 W, then 2006 and 2007 with 22 W each year (including 1 W in NCAA).

I agree, Gillispie flat out stunk up Lexington in 2008 or 2009.

Patterson ABSOLUTELY was going to sign with UK in March 2007. His parents told me that in Columbia SC in 2008. We have a mutual friend in WV. Their sons played together in the summers there.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 3, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Tubby Never Said Such A Thing

Not once. Your facts are completely wrong.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 3, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Prove it!

I’m so fucking sick of you telling people they’re “completely wrong” when your support is “Oh, I have a mutual friend of so-and-so.”

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He Never Said It

A newspaper columnist in Twin Cities said it.

Fact.

I spoke to the Pattersons in Columbia SC in 2008.

Fact.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's One (Of Many) Articles

Huntington, W.Va.: Big Blue dilemma
By Mike Knobler | Wednesday, March 7, 2007, 01:52 AM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Patrick Patterson likes Tubby Smith. Tubby Smith likes Patrick Patterson. It sounds simple enough. But it isn’t.

Because Patterson doesn’t know whether Smith will be coaching Kentucky next season. And because Patterson’s decision, or his lack of a decision, could affect whether Smith is coaching at Kentucky next season.

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Smith won an NCAA championship in 1998, his first season at Kentucky, but hasn’t been to the Final Four since. And he hasn’t been able to lure the top recruits, the ones like Patterson, who used to come to Kentucky year after year. Athletics director Mitch Barnhart issued a statement that fell far short of endorsing Smith’s job performance.
"I haven’t gotten to talk to him since they’ve been talking about releasing him," Patterson said Tuesday night after his Huntington High team earned a berth in the West Virginia Class AAA quarterfinals.

"I’d really like to play for Tubby Smith," Patterson added.

Patterson could certainly improve Smith’s odds of keeping his job by committing to and then signing with the Wildcats. But if he signs before Kentucky announces a decision, Patterson faces the risk Smith might leave before Patterson ever gets the chance to play for him.

If Patterson waits for Kentucky to make a decision, though, he might hurt Smith’s chances of keeping his job. After all, the big knock on Smith is that he can’t recruit well enough.

Patterson originally told reporters he planned to announce his decision April 3, the day after the NCAA championship game. Tuesday night, he said he’ll decide sometime between March 20 and April 11.

It will be interesting to see whether Kentucky reaches a decision about Smith first.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And From Chris Diggs In Louisville C-J Back In March 2007

Jai Lucas PG

Jai Lucas is another McDonald’s All-American that has been on Kentucky’s radar for a long time. What many thought of as a lock with Tubby Smith at the helm has turned into “hope” from the Big Blue Nation. Lucas still maintains a list of Kentucky, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Maryland but added Florida to that list after visiting this weekend. Many hope that good friends Lucas and Patterson will be a package deal to Lexington. With both playing in the Jordan All-Star game next weekend, they could possibly make a decision together then.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

One More 4 U

UK Basketball: How Did It Come to This?
Reporter: Dick Gabriel WKYT

Disguised Racism

They embrace the notion that the 1998 NCAA Championship was somehow tainted, or worthless, because Rick Pitino recruited most of the players. Funny, nobody ripped Roy Williams for winning a title with kids recruited by Matt Doherty.

And those same malcontents will tell you that the program has been going downhill from the day Smith was hired.

That’s where the racism buzzer goes off in my head.

And don’t kid yourself, it was there. From the season ticket cancellations the day Smith was hired to the cowardly, anonymous phone calls to the talk shows – a faction of UK "fans" made themselves clear.

That, to me, was far more disappointing than the events that led to the infamous Sports Illustrated cover, which included the headline, "Kentucky’s Shame."

Even if you didn’t like his style of play (understandable, after the way Pitino’s teams got up and down the floor) you couldn’t argue with the results: five SEC championships, five SEC tournament titles, a single season that saw his team race undefeated through both the league and tournament (only to be done in by Dwyane Wade) and three trips to the Elite Eight.

It was the lack of another trip to the Final Four that was conspicuous by its absence. But had it happened, in ’99, ’03 or ’95, the haters would have found a way to dis that, too.

According to sources, Patrick Patterson and Jai Lucas were going to announce their respective college choices together, at an all-star game. And the winner was to be Kentucky. But when Tubby left, Lucas headed for Gainesville and Patterson re-opened his recruitment.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Are we to abide by the guidelines or not?????

Crusading: This is where a commenter has an agenda, and wants to interject that agenda into every thread, regardless of relevance. Similar to badgering.

Forty’s man-love for Tubby is the definition of this verboten practice, isn’t it?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 4, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Forty breaks several of the Community Guidelines in a consistent basis.

And Tru ignores it.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

*on

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hah!

Who used the F word?

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I do not ignore it.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 4, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Provided What Was Asked

Clips of articles to show Patterson and Lucas were headed to UK in March 2007.

I listed 3 of many such articles.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Snore. Yawn.

I mean really….does anyone care???

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 4, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

The other person ASKED for proof.

I give a smelly crap about what a Louisville fan thinks or says.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Textbook CG Violation

# Be nice. Be nice to everyone — Cardinal fans who may comment here, your fellow Kentucky fans, the administrators of the site.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Your "F' Word, Bubba?

How conveniently you overlooked that, eh?

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I admit that.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And apologize.

It was unecessary.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

*unnecessary

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ive been away for a few days

clicked on this post due to the number of comments.

this whole argument made me want to fall asleep.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 4, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

me too -----

but then i got this far so i must be glutton for punishment…

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Jul 5, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Forty is what my tech friends from undergrad would call a "Board Bully."

He tells everyone they’re wrong if they have a different opinion and rarely addresses their arguments in his rebuttal.

I know I’m not the only one who is often hesitant to comment because I know Forty will throw out some obscure – and often irrelevant – statistic to dispute an opinion.

# Be nice. Be nice to everyone — Cardinal fans who may comment here, your fellow Kentucky fans, the administrators of the site.

At A Sea of Blue, we want rational, polite discourse. Disagreement is encouraged, but if you can’t politely disagree and explain your reasons, you are better off keeping it to yourself. I rigidly enforce a ban against invective, angry commentary directed at people or the program, baiting, name calling, stalking, or any other action that disrupts the community.

# Go back and re-read #1.

Forty is rarely “nice.” When he sees something he disagrees with, his customary response is “Pure BS.” Semantically, this is a more passive way of calling someone a liar, which I was warned about by Tru earlier in the week. It’s essentially a veiled personal attack.

That’s all I have to say about it.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This in addition to the Tubby crusading.

And that’s all I have to say. Tru, e-mail me if there’s a problem. bmartinez@law.capital.edu

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

BTW Met Two Of Your Fellow Capital U Law Grads On The Commuter Train Last Month

Hooked them up with 3 senior partners of Chicago law firms. No jobs to be had but they now have contacts at 3 big Chicago law firms.

One of the 2 is former LexCath HS football player who played at Michigan.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad you helped them out.

I have a few classmates from KY that I’m able to watch games with. I dislike OSU immensely. Didn’t know you lived in Chicago. I visited it for the first time last Spring and loved it.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Guy's Name Is Mann

I forget his first name. His GF is from here (NW suburbs).

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A lot of Capital grads end up in

Pittsburgh, Northern KY/Cincinnati or Chicago.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 4, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

2 Of Them Are Good Examples Of How "Contacts" Know Inside Scoop

1 is a huge Notre Dame booster – he knows that Charlie Weis is going to be fired if he fails to make BCS bowl this year.

1 is bigtime UNC alumnus here – he has dinner with Roy Williams when RW comes here.

I just happen to know them. The ND guy sits in my train car most days. The UNC guy’s firm does my real estate lawyer stuff.

Both have great scoop (sometimes).

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Answered Your Request With 3 Examples Of Facts

You don’t like the facts, I’m sure.

They are facts nevertheless,

Sources of articles are listed within.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Both Of The Original Parts Of This Topic Are About OTS

Someone asked for proof that Patterson and Lucas were UK bound.

Provided 3 articles to indicate same.

Someone opined that the only way to evaluate recruiting classes is after they leave UK.

Disagree but provided same. Many highly rated UK classes have severely underachieved at UK.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 4, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ahhhhh....to dream.

“I paid a worker at New York’s zoo to re-open it just for me and Robin [Tyson’s wife]. When we got to the gorilla cage there was 1 big silverback gorilla there just bullying all the other gorillas. They were so powerful but their eyes were like an innocent infant. I offered the attendant $10,000 to open the cage and let smash that silverback’s snotbox! He declined.”

Mike Tyson
American boxer, b.1966

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 4, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs