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LeBron James and John Calipari are both friends of William Wesley.  That's just wrong, according to some.

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LeBron James and John Calipari are both friends of William Wesley. That's just wrong, according to some.

Apparently, the press has decided that the conspiracy theories surrounding Selby's decommitment from Tennessee are true.  I say that because there have been many recent articles repeating the connection between William Wesley and Nike, along with the fact that Kentucky is a Nike school, as de-facto proof that those dots are somehow connected.

It has become so bad that Selby's mother did not allow press interviews of her son at least at some point during the  recent Las Vegas tournament, and she is clearly angry.  She claims (subscription required) that the press is, "taking [her] words and twisting them" after she and/or Josh give interviews.  In another sign that both the press and coaches around the country have bought in to the conspiracy theories about Wesley and Nike, coaches seem almost universally sympathetic to Bruce Pearl, who has a reputation as an abrasive personality (imagine that!) and, if you believe what you read, is not exactly beloved among the denizens of the coaching profession.

It is also incredibly easy, unfortunately, to make an argument that something did go on, and that Selby's mother is simply lying through her teeth.  That's what you have to believe, you know.  You cannot take her at her word, or consider her or her son as anything other than bald-faced, deliberate liars if you believe Wesley influenced her or Josh, because she and he have both explicitly, unambiguously and repeatedly denied that accusation.  Yet it seems that all these media reporters and everyone not a Wildcat fan does in fact consider both her and Josh a liar.  No wonder she is tired of speaking to the media -- they don't believe her anyway.

So what's the latest?  Well, Gary Parrish had this blog a couple of days back, in which he quotes an anonymous "high-major coach" thus:

"That kid was committed to Tennessee for almost a year, then he goes to a Nike event, the mom talks with Wes, the kid decommits from an 'Adidas' school, and now he's looking at Kentucky," said one high-major coach, noting the timeline of the developments as well as UT's apparel contract with Adidas. "Come on, man. That's messed up. I mean, that's just messed up."

My question is, why is this "high-major coach" unnamed?  Is he afraid of Wesley, or afraid Nike will drop his school if he gives credibility to this nefarious Nike plot to take over the basketball world?  Or does he fear the wrath of Coach Cal, maybe that he will put a "contract" out on him?  It's all just so deliciously unattributed and cloak-and-dagger.  It just fits so nicely into the narrative that Calipari's proximity to prior NCAA violations really wasn't innocent like the NCAA said, his association with Wesley is truly unsavory, and he is really some kind of rogue coach in the mold of Kelvin Sampson or Jerry Tarkanian.

Star-divide

It isn't hard to see why Selby's mother is so upset.  It doesn't matter how many times she or her son denies the connection, the press finds a way to fit it into their narrative of "something untoward happened" and discount her claims as though she were only doing so to hide this nefarious, evil plot.  Witness Dana O'Neil of ESPN:

"Why would I talk about a man who has nothing to do with my son?" [Selby's Mother, Maeshon Witherspoon] said.

Except that a source close to Wesley told ESPN.com's Andy Katz that Witherspoon actually walked up to Wesley and asked whether he was "Worldwide Wes."

Oh, my!  Can you believe that she did that?  Clearly, that means something was up, right?  Well, not exactly, but I think you get why Witherspoon is tired of talking to the media.  Her characterizations of the conversation are essentially being "poo-pooed," and one-upped by unnamed sources and unnamed "high major coaches."

It's frustrating to be a Kentucky fan and have to put up with this crap.  First of all, there is no credible evidence whatever that anything nefarious is going on -- just a bunch of events that allow the suspicious to construct a theory that fits the available facts.

The problem is, apparently, that if you believe the conspiracy theory, you will reject any other evidence (and anyone providing it) that doesn't support it.  This has become a story almost political in scope, with partisans on both sides of the argument rejecting arguments that auger against their pet theory, regardless of their force.  Wesley has been tried and convicted by the media citing unnamed sources, and now the media are dying to rip apart the caricature of him they have created, while the real William Wesley is watching from a safe distance, probably with considerable amusement.

In the end, all this brouhaha can only help Wesley.  His reputation gets enhanced with every pixel darkened about how "connected" he is, and the press, who has been trying for years to get dirt on Wesley, is busily setting itself up for allegations that they are maliciously tearing at the reputation of people who don't kowtow to their demands for information.  Why does Wesley keep himself so private?  We don't know, but most in the media will assure you that because he is "hiding something."  If so, he should work for the CIA, because he is certainly better at keeping secrets than they are.

I know what you're thinking -- "C'mon, Tru, where is your proof that the media is doing all that?"  Witness this latest blog from Parrish:

The main reason, it seems, is because Witherspoon acknowledged to CBSSports.com that she met with Calipari's close friend William Wesley during the LeBron James Skills Academy earlier this month, roughly two weeks before Selby decommitted from Tennessee. In fairness, Witherspoon has downplayed the significance of the meeting and insisted that it had nothing to do with the decommitment. But most coaches familiar with the business of recruiting are skeptical that this is all just a big coincidence. And then there's Tennessee assistant Tony Jones, who supplied a vague but telling quote to the Knoxville News Sentinel .

"I'm not going to comment on any specific player, because I am not allowed to do that," Jones told the paper. "I'll just say something smells right now." [Emphasis mine]

Heh.  The account that Witherspoon has given of that "meeting" was that it was a brief conversation.  Parrish makes it sound like Witherspoon and he sat down in private and discussed his son's future, and then adds in Tony Jones' comment as though it proved there was more to it than Witherspoon claimed.  It does not, of course.  This is a deliberate attempt by Parrish to deceive people into believing what he believes by treating Selby's mother as a co-conspirator in a foul plot.

Folks, this is unethical, and what I mean is the way that the press is treating this situation.  It is unfairly calling into question the reputations and veracity of Wesley, Calipari, Maeshon Witherspoon and Josh Selby himself.  While Selby's decommitment from Tennessee is ethically problematic, it is nothing compared with the rumor-mongering and deliberately inaccurate impressions that the press is attempting to leave with everyone, and that includes Dana O'Neil.  Even though she quotes an unnamed "source close to Wesley" as claiming that Wesley is being unfairly blamed for Selby's decommitment, it is clear from the rest of her article that she is trying to impute that very thing to him, or at least give that possibility most of the benefit of the doubt.

The only exception to this so far seems to be The Loathsome Troll Jeff Goodman, who, to his immense credit, is reporting the facts as they are, and if he is buying into the "William Wesley got Selby to decommit for his, or Calipari's nefarious purposes," he decently keeps it to himself.  If Goodman keeps this up, I may have to abandon his nickname and forgive him his egregious prior comments.

Welcome to The Days of Our Wildcats.  It will only get worse, but in the end, it will probably be worth it when we are looking down our noses at the rest of college basketball, and laughing heartily at rivals, UK and Calipari detractors while they console themselves with conspiracy theories and drown themselves in tears and sour grapes.

And I will enjoy that very much.

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...or you can look at the facts as they are which includes some circumstantial evidence and history...

…and see it for what it is.

Tru, I hope you are never pull jury duty on a murder trial. The only way you could bring yourself to find the defendant guilty is to have a videotape of the shooting, have the defendent bring the gun to trial in his pants, with the dead body in the trunk of his car. Oh, and you need him shouting out at the top of his lungs, ‘I am guilty. I am sane.’

Even then you’d probably find him not guilty, because you weren’t there.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 26, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as his belligerent and baiting commentary often enrages me,

I’ve learned to ignore his comments.

However, I do hope to one day get an answer as to why Hoze would visit and comment so much on his team’s rival’s blog, but not comment at all on his own team’s blog.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 26, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have enough time on my hands

to visit rival teams’ blogs and persistently comment and annoy its fans.

by mrmondaynite on Jul 26, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Answer: HPD (Histrionic Personality Disorder)

"The prosperity of commerce is now perceived and acknowledged by all enlightened statesmen to be the most useful as well as the most productive source of national wealth, and has accordingly become a primary object of its political cares."

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 12, 27 November 1787

by Wild Weasel on Jul 26, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On point.

“…defined by the American Psychiatric Association as a personality disorder characterized by a pattern of excessive emotionality and attention-seeking

by mrmondaynite on Jul 26, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for paying attention to me.

Not that it is a big deal to me one way or the other. Maybe if you offered a salient point, I’d care. But too bad you chose not to address the points that I made.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 26, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't make any points

Other than to demean Tru’s ability to sit as a juror

by BCinVA on Jul 27, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MMD

This has been called into question several times lately. I find it interesting that Hoze has never addressed it. I think it’s becuase he’s not much of a card fan. He’s just a troublemaker.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 27, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...and you are a big whining baby.

See how silly name calling is?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 27, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ignoring

Why dont you address the fact that you like to waste time being a nuisance here but dont care enough about your supposed team to spend time commenting with other card fans. Your a poser.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 27, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… I do tend to demand more than circumstantial evidence.

Is that wrong? :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are plenty of 'felon's' that have taken the chair on circumstantial evidence.

The tipping point is often the depth, breadth, and number of the circumstantial evidence….and I think there is plenty here.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 26, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Not this circumstantial.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Name A Few

"The prosperity of commerce is now perceived and acknowledged by all enlightened statesmen to be the most useful as well as the most productive source of national wealth, and has accordingly become a primary object of its political cares."

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 12, 27 November 1787

by Wild Weasel on Jul 26, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since we are on the legal theme ...

… lets consider the evidence, shall we?

1. Evidence that Wesley has interfered in another school’s committed athletes before – none.
2. Evidence of a conspiracy between Calipari and Wesley – none.
3. Evidence of a conspiracy between Selby, his mother and Wesley – none.
4. Evidence that the conversation with Wesley was other than exactly as described by Witherspoon – none.
5. Evidence that Selby knows Wesley other than by reputation – none.

So based on this, how would one offer an opinion of a conspiracy? The fact that one of the alleged co-conspirators spoke with the mother of a recruit at an event, and an apparent motive for the alleged “crime?”

We have motive. We have opportunity. But we lack virtually any other evidence, no “smoking gun,” and no claims by anyone there that anything untoward happened.

My God, man, if you would vote to “convict” on this evidence, I would presume that you had long since abandoned a presumption of innocence in favor of guilt by association. Which wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not tru (I love word play)

He is stating something very easy to see if you choose to see it. Anyone in the world can speak to any other person in this world and it doesn’t exactly mean that a full blown conspiracy is taking place. Sure there are plenty of articles and such out there that makes the connections but one major thing is missing….no one knows what exactly happened because we weren’t there. In you stab at tru you said he wouldn’t believe anything unless he was there but with what facts we got you just can say it was this nor that with Selby.

by Conis22 on Jul 26, 2009 5:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Hoze's Logic

Hoze’s father is a male
Homer Simpson is a male
Therefore Homer is Hoze’s father….

by khlim2 on Jul 27, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottom line

In the final analysis, it doesn’t matter what another unnamed high-major coach thinks about Josh Selby, or what school received Selby’s early verbal last year. The kid is selecting his college. This is his life, and it will be one of the most important decisions he ever makes. The NCAA doesn’t hold him responsible for this decision until he and his mother sign a LOI. He is entitled to use the full recruiting period to make his decision. People change their minds.

From UK’s point of view, athletes come and go, but the basketball program has always been and will always be bigger than any one person. Recruiting has always been a complicated and convoluted fact of competitive life. UK has had athletes decommit before. As recently as Dominique Ferguson, this has been fairly common.

Selby is perfectly within his rights to select whatever college he wants to attend. Maybe it will be UK, maybe not. Who really knows? UK can’t sign every ranked PG in America, and who is to say right now whether it will be Selby, Brandon Knight, Joe Jackson, or another?

So I would just say this to Selby. UK fans would welcome you with open arms, but don’t wait too long to commit.

.

by Messenger on Jul 26, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would love to have him.

But there are, as you imply, others. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its funny too.

Most top players are opting for the programs with a blue in their colors and tradition…UNC. Puke. Kansas. Memphis. UK.

Dare I throw in florida?

by BleedinUKBlue on Jul 26, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are other point guards.

I would actually prefer that Selby not come to UK. With all the finger pointing and innuendos it would be funny to see him go to another school. It would make these conspiracy theorists shut up, at least for awhile.

by UKTimmy on Jul 26, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, indeed.

I didn’t mean to imply that I would take Selby over, say, Kyrie Irving or Brandon Knight. Still, Selby is really a combo guard, or at least a scoring point guard. He could easily play with another point at the same time. So it needn’t be mutually exclusive.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's right

You make a very good point about Selby being a somewhat different kind of G prospect, compared to Knight and Jackson. So if Knight is indeed about to commit to UK as Larry Vaught suggested today, the next question becomes whether Coach Calipari would rather have Selby or Doron Lamb as his next primary WG prospect. So far, the evidence points Lamb’s way. Frankly, I think Calipari has put more resources into recruiting Lamb than any other priospect in the 2010 class. Lamb may not be quite as quick as Selby, but Lamb is longer and a much better perimeter shooter. I doubt Selby is a Cat unless Brandon Knight decides to turn Calipari down.

by Messenger on Jul 27, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get the big deal here.

Let me see if I understand the facts, because if I do, I fail to see any problem even if the “so-called” conspiracy exists.
1. A teen age ballplayer (Selby) committs to UT a year ago after speaking with only UT and UL.
2. One year later, while seeing the attention that everyone else gets, he de-commits from UT.
3. Teen age ballplayer is considered one of the best in the country now whereas he was not looked at as being quite as good before.
4. No letter of intent was ever signed.

I don’t see the problem here and I don’t care of WWW spoke to the kid or if Coach Cal himself spoke to the kid. He committed to UT early and realized a year later that he could go to a much better school and re-opened his committment. Maybe UT has a gripe (just like a jilted lover) but no one else should have one.

by wklawdog on Jul 26, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

What’s the big deal? My family (and that’s who counts) would be more concerned of my commitment to UT than my withdrawal.

Why does everyone have to pee in the pot just because some kid came to his senses and realized Pearl just might not be the coach for him?

by hoboat33 on Jul 26, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could not agree more.

Even if Wesley and Witherspoon jointly decided to convince Selby to decommit and go to UK, the only problem I see is an ethical one. Selby had already given his word, and adults convincing him to break it isn’t an model of ethical behavior, to say the least.

If Calipari were a co-conspirator (again, going way off the reservation) it would be a violation of NCAA rules. But he wasn’t, and it isn’t. This is just a conspiracy theory that makes for good Calipari and UK bashing using Wesley as the cudgel.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hold on Tru...

wklawdog is right and we both agree with him.

however, you take it one step further – “the only problem i see is an ethical one”

did you really want to say that? I know the world of college bball is changing, but if we (the collective uk/cal/fanbase we) have to start recruiting kids that have committed to other schools or get some go between to decommit a kid for us, then i have a HUGE problem with it – be it legal or not.

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Jul 26, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well ...

… What I’m saying is that if (and we know that this has been denied more than once) Wesley and Selby’s mom conspired to get him to change his mind, I think that is an ethical problem, don’t you? I mean, Selby did give his word, didn’t he? Don’t you find a young man giving his word to a coach and then breaking it a bit ethics-challenged?

And even more — if two adults convinced him it was in his best interest to break his word, don’t you find that troubling? I know I do. But since that didn’t happen here, it is presented for academic interest only.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry...

i thought you were dismissing it as “only” an ethical problem – which is not what i expected from you.

to me (and i believe you) it being an ethical problem is every bit as bad as it being a violation

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Jul 27, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A violation?

Since when is it a violation of the NCAA guidelines to recruit a kid that has not signed a LOI? If he has signed, I agree that there would be a problem, but simply saying, “I intend to go to XYZ school” does not end the discussion nor should it.

by wklawdog on Jul 26, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not what I said.

I said it was a violation of NCAA guidelines if Wesley acted as an agent for Calipari in getting the kid to change his mind, which clearly (to me, at least) didn’t happen. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today Ethical Sports* Is The Quintessential Oxymoron.

*At NCAA Division I and above. Not quite so quintessential at lower levels.

"The prosperity of commerce is now perceived and acknowledged by all enlightened statesmen to be the most useful as well as the most productive source of national wealth, and has accordingly become a primary object of its political cares."

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 12, 27 November 1787

by Wild Weasel on Jul 26, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe.

But that doesn’t mean it should be ignored and not pointed out when it rears its ugly head. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: wklawdog

The only problem I have with your break down is that Selby has been a very highly rated recruit for some time now. It didn’t just happen.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 26, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Highly Rated Recruit

Maybe so. My two cents? I think it is possible that young Mr. Selby – the highly rated recruit – saw all the other high profile recruit stories (Bledsoe, Wall, the Henrys, Lance Stephenson, Harrison Barnes, etc) and wondered why his recruitment should be so open and shut. A little time in the limelight never hurt anyone, right? ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 27, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree with you tink

add the fact that he is playing better and you have a decommit…..

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Jul 27, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: kentuckygirl

Not maybe so. It’s a fact; he’s been rated in the top-15 of his class for a while now (about 2 years).

I don’t pretend to know what’s going on in Selby’s mind, only that the statement that he’s just now being rated highly as a recruit is not true.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 27, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Instant Tabloidism

Remember the old days when one had to wait at least a few days before being exposed to the hyped headlines of The Globe, National Enquirer, The Star, etc. No more the need to delay our titillation and satisfy our voyeuristic nature, not with YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, blogs, not to mention 24-hour cable. An incident of minimal significance can and usually is turned into a sensation in a matter of seconds and what’s more despicable and menacing is the very little attention afforded the facts.

This whole Selby decommitment is a prime example and the professor Gates arrest is another. Both were communicated instantaneously with little regard for the missing details, filled with innuendo, assumptions and flat out misrepresentations. The result is a public that is left to make up its own mind with all the attending biases and prejudices (HozeKing’s knee jerk distrust of any and all things-Calipari and Tru’s innate trust in all things-UK, e.g. NOTE: Even POTUS wasn’t immune). All in all a high social price to pay for instant awareness.

"The prosperity of commerce is now perceived and acknowledged by all enlightened statesmen to be the most useful as well as the most productive source of national wealth, and has accordingly become a primary object of its political cares."

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 12, 27 November 1787

by Wild Weasel on Jul 26, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not all things UK for me.

It’s all things Cal. Two points:

1. The ‘shadiness’ of Cal is Cal’s alone. I never brought up these points with any other prior UK coach.

2. Cal has/had this issue before UK and I was concerned then. His recruiting operations (for at least some part) is what is wrong with the recruiting world right now. It’s just a shame that UK has chosen to be scrutinized and sullied by it’s decision to pick (or highly pay) Cal. Too bad.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 26, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROTFLMFAO

1. “shadiness” – strictly a subjective evaluation. I’ll just consider the source and ignore it.
2. a. “I was concerned” – this really brought a tear to my eye, knowing you care so deeply.
    b. “His recruiting operations (for at least some part)” – way to really stick your neck out with a statement with absolutely no teeth.
    c. " ..to pick (or highly pay)" – all I can say is ????. But thanks for the “too bad”, whatever that means.

by hoboat33 on Jul 26, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My reply.

1. No it isn’t. It has been imputed to him by you and others without a shred of real evidence.

2. This has nothing to do with Calipari’s recruiting operation. He was not recruiting Selby before he decommitted.

So what was your point, again?

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's your homework for tonight.

Look up the definition of plausible deniability. I sent you those lines from the Godfather II. Have you already forgotten?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 26, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

Do you have any evidence of a conspiracy? No. Therefore, “plausible deniability” must be assumed, as a subset of actual deniability.

So it seems that you have not given me much in the way of homework, since that argument was available to a 12-year old with a couple of working neurons. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please avoid the political overtones.

It leads to places I don’t want conversation on this blog to go. Try to find some other analogy other than current events politics.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Media Anti-UK bias

In other breaking news, the sky appears blue when you look at it.

Parrish is a Memphis homer, I pay no attention to him.

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jul 26, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but ...

… I think Parrish is largely not in on this because of his Memphis ties. Parrish has generally been pretty fair to Calipari after he switched jobs, so I’m not quite ready to buy the homer argument.

I think it’s more the fact that the conspiracy theory is so facile and effortless that laziness might be the best explanation.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 26, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Parrish isn’t a Memphis homer.

If one believes what he told me, he’s rather unpassionate about Memphis now. He really has no team that he roots for.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 26, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to get used to it.

I’m just ready for the season to begin. After football of course. I don’t want to overlook the fact that this football team could be something special this year. Let’s hope all works out.

But as far as this story and others like it, I feel that we as fans of UK basketball are just going to have to realize that these will continue to pop up now and for the foreseeable future. Cal is a lightning rod for these kinds of assumptions due to the many people that believe him to have been involved with issues in the past. I don’t know all the details but I do know that without a Letter of Intent signed, I’m not all that sure that this is even a story. Sure, the kid promised to come to UT, but he’s a kid who made a decision maybe before he was ready to do so. He’s changing his mind. As someone who worked with teenagers in his profession for 20+ years, I’ve seen it all too often. Indeed, I’ve done it. I called the Air Force recruiter who I had promised to join up with on the day I was to sign and told him I’d changed my mind. That was a decision that I thought I would never back out of but I did so and it totally changed my life. This kid is changing his mind and well, I can’t blame him.

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by hoopchi on Jul 26, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

College basketball has seriously taken a turn toward the un-fun.

by Hooper on Jul 27, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

?

I admit confusion.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we're so wrapped around the axle over something like this,

it’s going to be a long season.

Everybody’s working with circumstantial evidence on this, and it’s easy to construct arguments toward either conclusion depending on the assumptions you choose to use. I could choose to discount the Selby family assertions of ‘innocence’ (for lack of a better term) because I’m used to people making public statements with the intent of benefiting themselves more so than clarifying. But that’s an assumption.

I could also choose to discount the timeline evidence (sudden de-commit after a visit to a camp sponsored by a rival shoe company, presense of Wesley, etc. etc. etc.) because I can’t prove it to be more than incidental. But again, that’s an assumption.

Neither side of this argument can make a conclusion; there’s simply no way for us to produce the primary evidence necessary for that. For example, I don’t have a videotape of Wesley and/or the Selbys at the LeBron camp that could clarify any possible conversations. Nobody does. We’re forced to guess and fit theoretical models to the evidence.

By our very nature, we can’t answer conclusively. Yet everybody’s acting like they know the answers to this.

For the record, I don’t have any compulsion to defend UT or UT’s honor on anything. For example, I don’t like how the Daniel West situation resolved at the end of this year and I wish I had more knowledge of how all that happened. I don’t defend Pearl for it, but I’m willing to allow that it might not be as it seems because I do have to fill in blanks. (Apologies for the tangent, but I don’t know how else to explain.)

I just want to enjoy the games, cheer on a bunch of kids trying to do their best, and let it lie as it may. The NCAA can handle any grievances, which means I don’t have to. I don’t defend UT from any of their screw-ups, and I don’t attack fans of other schools over the screw-ups of those schools. That’s the part that gets really un-fun for me.

by Hooper on Jul 27, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For what its worth Hooper.....

I concur……

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 27, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha.

Thanks for the explanation.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jul 27, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a bit of venting, I know.

It’s just a general frustration point for me.

by Hooper on Jul 27, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And everyone says

AMEN!!

Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !

by oldcat70 on Jul 27, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Coach Speak

“said one high-major coach, noting the timeline of the developments as well as UT’s apparel contract with Adidas. “Come on, man. That’s messed up. I mean, that’s just messed up.”

Would a “high-major coach” from an Institution of Higher Education make the above statement?

by lccat on Jul 27, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent article

Tru, you bring up some really good points here and construct your argument excellently. My favorite part, though, is the few lines at the end. We’ll have to get used to the sour grapes, conspiracies, and jealousy, but I don’t think I’ll mind all that much.

by sangaman on Jul 28, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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