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Josh Selby: Trouble in my Kentucky Paradise?

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For a differing view of the Josh Selby de-commitment, please read Tru's take here.

By now, most Kentucky fans breathing oxygen are aware of the de-commitment of top-10 rated 2010 point guard Josh Selby from his verbal to Tennessee.  But if not, here's an update: Selby, a 6-2 prospect from Maryland announced for Tennessee in September of 2008, after also considering the University of Louisville.  Now, fast-forward 10 months: Selby recently attended the LeBron James Skills Academy in Cleveland/Akron, Ohio where his mother spoke with John Calipari's friend, the notorious mover-and-shaker, William Wesley.   

Sunday morning, only days after leaving Cleveland, Selby alerted the UT staff (Bruce Pearl is in Israel coaching Team USA in the Maccabiah Games, the equivalent of the Jewish Olympics) of his intention to de-commit, and also announced the decision on his Facebook page.  No, young Mr. Selby has NOT committed to Kentucky, but ...

Star-divide

I don't like it.  I'm in the clear minority of Kentucky fans regarding this development, but I don't like it.  Even though all the facts of the case are not evident at this point, I don't like it.  I have as much empathy for Bruce Pearl as a lion has for a gazelle, but I don't like it.  Actually, I don't care for anything which possesses an orange hue (except tangerines), but still, I don't like it.  

One may reasonably ask; why would someone as dyed-in-blue as myself not like it?  Well, the reasons are many and varying.  And they begin with ...

Tampering with Committed Athletes/The William Wesley Connection -- Editor's Note: An opposing school continuing to recruit a committed athlete is not against NCAA rules.

Do we, at this time, know for a fact that Selby was "tampered with?"  No, but a reasonable person could conclude from the timing of the de-commitment that something happened at the LeBron James event which caused Selby to reconsider his options.  And if one believes Selby's own words, that someone, or several someones were "trying to get him to de-commit," then the tampering charge seems much more likely, and much more believable.

In my opinion, a courtin' coach, or a courtin' coach's representative, whispering sweet nothings into the gullible ear of a committed recruit is akin to "coming on" to a foe's fiancée.  In my part of the world, "them's fightin' words." 

I don't care the sport; a commitment is a commitment (save an extreme circumstance).  Now, I am realistic enough to realize kids change their minds, after-all, they're kids.  But, a recruit changing his mind of his own free will is one thing, an adult with an agenda urging a kid to renege on a promise is a whole other kettle of rotten fish. 

Even more disturbing to me is that William Wesley possibly recruiting for UK, or any other NCAA school, is highly illegal according to NCAA statutes.  Maeshon Witherspoon, Selby's mother, admits to talking with Wesley at the LeBron James get-together, "I met Wes, but we really didn't talk; that's not a connection like everybody thinks."  I understand the first part of her quote, you know, about her meeting Wesley, but the second part of her remark ... well, I'm still trying to make sense of it: "... that's not a connection like everybody thinks."   What exactly does that mean?

Is Witherspoon saying that Wesley hasn't/doesn't steer players (or her son) to a certain university?  If so, technically she's right (nothing has been proved), but there seems to be a preponderance of evidence that Wesley is up to something, and it isn't housing the homeless.  Honestly, what bothers me the most about this character is; if his motives and actions are righteous, then why are he and his "friends" so secretive about their relationship?  Why can't a reporter, or anyone for that matter, get a straight answer from Wesley and his cronies about exactly what it is he does, or the nature of his many high-powered relationships?  In my opinion, secrecy = hiding something, and that's never good.

The Appearance of Impropriety

If anyone should feel paranoid about the reach of the investigative arm of the NCAA, it's Kentucky fans.  Over multiple decades we have endured a seemingly endless stream of investigations and probation in both the basketball and football programs.  We should know by now that anything resembling a UK infraction will be dissected to death by the sitting NCAA President (in this case Myles Brand) and his charges.  Which is why, if UK is involved at any level of the Selby situation, severe sanctions should be served upon the guilty parties by UK President Dr. Lee Todd, and Athletic Director Mitch Barnhart.

Think of it like this: UK is the convict on parole; Big Blue needs to be as clean as the preacher's sheets ... UK needs to steer clear of anything remotely inappropriate ... UK needs to behave as if it's the Mother Teresa of college athletics.  "Above reproach" should be the chant Calipari and staff recite every night as the sand man approaches. 

Slightly less irritating than the possibility of NCAA sanctions due to this type of (possible) behavior are the ever-UK-critical national media.  Already UK's name is being bandied about as a possible destination for Selby because of the presence of Wesley in Cleveland, and his association with Nike (UK is a Nike school, UT adidas), and Calipari.  I can hear the talking heads now,  "Kentucky is at it again."

Perhaps I'm overly sensitive to the criticism.  Perhaps I feel my association with UK (as a fan) somehow renders me guilty of sin whenever Kentucky crosses the not-so-imaginary line.  Whatever the reason, I do not approve of UK, or any of its athletic department representatives, behaving anything less than appropriately.  And by "appropriately" I mean NOT putting the University in the cross-hairs of the NCAA Infraction Committee by being associated with tampering with a committed recruit via an emissary.  If that is what indeed occurred.  If not, then Calipari should know that his friendship with Wesley, in this situation, certainly gives the appearance of possible impropriety.

What Comes Around Goes Around: AKA Karma

After reading the thoughts and views of many UK fans on the Selby de-commitment throughout the various Internet sites, one common theme stands out: This is payback for Bruce Pearl continuing to recruit Scotty Hopson after Hopson was committed to Mississippi State.  Which of course resulted in Hopson casting his lot with the Vols.

While those shouts of karma kickin' Pearl where it hurts the most may be true, the question UK fans should be asking themselves (if UK did actively pursue Selby) is this: Which present or future UK recruit is slated to de-commit from the 'Cats?

Simply put, what UK has possibly done is no better than what Pearl did, and while not illegal (absent the involvement of Wesley), in my mind the act is ethically bankrupt.  Period.

Kentucky Basketball: Above the Fray 

For many years I've heard much wiser UK fans than myself pontificate that Kentucky should not have to stoop to breaking the rules or behaving unethically in order to gain prized recruits.  And I'm forced to say, amen to that!

Regardless of ones allegiance, it has to be admitted that Lexington is the Mecca of college basketball: Rupp Arena, Wildcat Lodge, (and now) the Craft Center, a fanatical following, tradition and grandeur, and a guaranteed fulfilling future for any law-abiding former 'Cat.  Sure, there are North Carolina, Duke, Indiana, UCLA, Kansas, and Louisville to contend with, but Kentucky sells Kentucky.  At least that's how it should be.  And now, with a dynamic, charismatic, in-demand coach in John Calipari, there should be absolutely no valid reason for UK to lie with the dogs; to partake in anything not above-board.  

Hopefully, no one within the parameters of what is Kentucky basketball has done anything egregious.  Hopefully, Josh Selby finds a nice home in Oregon, Memphis, or Tennessee ... anywhere but UK.  And hopefully, we've heard the last of William Wesley.  After-all, we don't need such a mysterious, veiled figure doing our bidding for us.

But hey, what do I know?  It's probably nothing.

Thanks for reading, and Go 'Cats! 

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Is Witherspoon saying that Wesley hasn’t/doesn’t steer players (or her son) to a certain university? If so, technically she’s right (nothing has been proved), but there seems to be a preponderance of evidence that Wesley is up to something, and it isn’t housing the homeless.

I’m sorry, Ken, but I simply don’t get this statement. It is inconceivable to me that a conversation with William Wesley could be the difference in this case, for a number of obvious reasons. First, all Wesley could do in that situation is make vague allusions to the possibility Selby may be better off if he changes his mind. That’s it. Second, this is apparently the first time they have talked, and his mother’s statement needs no clarification. A private conversation need never be repeated in detail, and quite frankly, even if Wesley urged her son to leave Tennessee and commit to a Nike school, it is not against NCAA rules. I would be concerned if that actually happened, though, but there is absolutely nothing more than the speculation of an embittered suitor to support it. As far as I know, there has been no credible allegation of such tampering anywhere in Wesley’s history.

You know, the idea that it is William Wesley’s fault every time a high-profile recruit changes his mind is frankly what we are going to be left with, and it is not rationally defensible. It is possible, in fact likely, that people have been in Selby’s ear, but Wesley is likely to be only one of a number of them, and having just met the guy, you would not expect that his opinion would carry that much weight. And as far as I know, there is no evidence whatever that Calipari was one of those in Wesley’s ear.

With all due respect, this is essentially the same kind of thing I have been forced to defend Calipari against up until now, only a little worse — in Calipari’s case, he was at schools where NCAA violations either have happened or are alleged to have happened without his knowledge. In this case, people are essentially making allegations of an NCAA violation because a non-booster, non-coach, non-affiliate with any school happened to have a short conversation with a recruit.

There is no “appearance of impropriety” here. Calipari does not need Selby badly enough to risk violating NCAA rules to get him. The “appearance of impropriety” is totally mitigated by circumstances — the kid committed a long time ago, and kids who do that often change their mind. Are we going to impute nefarious behavior to every recruit who decommits now, and suggest Don Calipari ordered his “button man” William Wesley to make him an offer he can’t refuse? That’s where I see this going.

From now on, even if there is no record of a conversation with William Wesley, that will always be alleged. What’s UK supposed to do, dissociate Wesley? On what basis? He isn’t a booster and he isn’t, as far as we know, acting on anybody’s behalf but his own. That is his right under the Constitution of the United States, and until somebody proves that he has broken the rules or is actually doing something nefarious, even if legal, I think the guy should get the benefit of the doubt.

Finally, I am weary of the argument that Kentucky needs to be especially sensitive to NCAA violations. Every school, even the ones who have never had a whiff of impropriety needs to be equally sensitive to playing by the rules. UK has not had an NCAA infraction in basketball in 20 years, and at some point, we have to acknowledge that the UK compliance staff and administration have demonstrated a commitment to NCAA compliance. Placing a special burden on them would be fair if we were five or maybe even ten years removed from such an incident, but at what point do we stop looking over our shoulder in fear? In my opinion, that point is past … well past.

By the way, with respect to karma — neither UK nor John Calipari has been credibly alleged to have any involvement whatsoever, and you will notice that I did not accuse Pearl of anything nefarious in the Scotty Hopson affair. Pearl did not steal Hopson, Hopson did that himself. I don’t believe Calipari had the first thing to do with this decommitment, so why should he get the blame for it? Are we going to assume that Wesley was acting on his behalf? If so, we should fire Calipari right now, because that is a blatant NCAA violation and UK should not put up with it for one second. So if you actually believe what you wrote, you should now be calling for Calipari’s firing or resignation.

Nice piece, but I find very much in here with which to disagree. But that doesn’t change the fact that you do a great job around here. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 7:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea, it's all so neat and tidy.

Congrats, Ken, on being insightful enough to see past the ‘buffers’ and calling BS. Be ready for the slings and arrows.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 21, 2009 10:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I'm afraid it is you ...

… who should be getting ready for slings and arrows, unless I miss my guess.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like you missed.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 21, 2009 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't even try.

I deemed your pathetic comment unworthy.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tru makes at least one solid rebuttal point here

Cal has made his programs an object of desire for recruits, particularly guards. The need for him to cheat to obtain a recruit is far less than that of a program looking to land a stud that can change their entire program. Like Tru, I don’t see Cal asking WWW for assistance in getting players to decommit. That just doesn’t seem reasonable under any risk/reward scenario I can envision.

If there is dirt to be dug here, it is in regards to shoe companies and their influence peddlers.

by Ontherocks on Jul 21, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AMEN rocks!!

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 21, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One Quote...

has the kid (or his mom) saying that as he continued to play better in the camps, the attention grew.

i am as “concerned” as most over the implications of Nike getting involved, but could it actually be that the kid underestimated his worth, committed to a D1 program early, then started playing better and garnered some extra attention that made him rethink his decision?

nah – that would not make for intesting press…………

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Jul 21, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that, too.

His mom mentioned that he rushed his recruitment decision and committed prematurely to UT.

You’re right, Memphis – a conspiracy theory makes for faaarrrr more interesting news. ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 21, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

There is a quote out there pertaining to Selby’s rising status. But, I don’t buy it. The kid has been a top-10 player for some time now. He wouldn’t have been at the LeBron James event if he wasn’t a serious player.

Besides, the other school Selby considered was U of L … not exactly chopped liver.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 21, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Solution

If this kid goes to Louisville there goes the whole Nike-WWW-UK-Calipari conspiracy. Everybody wins!

I’ll show myself out…

by don'tshootmei'macard on Jul 21, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It could happen, for all I know.

I don’t even know which schools he is considering, although I have heard there are several, including UT.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BS

Just because they won’t talk to you, or answer all of your questions they must have something to hide? Maybe they just don’t like what you write and don’t like you because you are always looking for dirt.

by mbeyke on Jul 21, 2009 7:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: mbeyke

I’ve written well over 150 front page posts for ASoB and I’ve never “looked for dirt.” Don’t believe me, go to the archives and look it up.

Many reporter and journalists have attempted to interview Wesley and he very rarely agrees, and when he does, no real info is given about what it is that he does. When coaches are asked about him, we get the shuffling of feet and staring at the floor treatment.

Perhaps Wesley’s silence just makes him a private person, I certainly don’t know, but this piece was simply meant to ponder the “what ifs” of the situation. I accuse no one of anything, except to say that Wesley is up to something, which isn’t an original thought. People have been trying to find out what he does to deserve the “star treatment” he receives for several years now.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 21, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take the names and the schools out of it

A shoe company basically blackmailing a kid to change to one of their sponsored schools is just flat wrong. No one is saying that UK or Cal had anything to do with it, just like no one is saying that Oregon or Memphis did either.

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jul 21, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or Wesley, for that matter.

Oh, wait. Some people are saying that, even though that it has no basis, as far as anyone knows.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like it either

but what I also don’t like is negative conjecture about UK basketball. This over-the-top guilt trip that you regurgitated is part of a pattern that creates our self inflicted wounds.
With all the angst that the big blue nation is feeling about our new coach and his baggage, why would a true fan stir the pot and give Wildcat haters more grist for the mill?
As a UK fan please put our best foot forward and try to be positive until there is an actual violation.

by Bluebarn on Jul 21, 2009 8:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"True fan"? Good grief

You think Ken is supplying grist for the mill? Please. All the ammo is there for us to be fodder, warranted or not. To question someone’s allegiances because they apply a critical eye to a situation is pathetic. There are more than enough “True Fans” in this state, and frankly listening to their nauseatingly optimistic towing of the company line gets really old. Think Critically, all the cool kids are doing it.

Let’s debate Ken’s post on the facts and not resort to this kind of garbage.

by Ontherocks on Jul 21, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Ontherocks

It takes a brave man/woman to take up for me today :) I appreciate it!

by Ken Howlett on Jul 21, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Bluebarn

Because someone takes a critical look at UK or UK’s coaches “we are stirring the pot?”

My job in this gig is not to rah, rah UK, even though that is mostly what I do. My job is to write about what interests me, in hopes that others will also be interested. Sometimes, but not very often, that which interests me can be viewed as less than flattering to UK. That’s just the nature of writing ones opinion.

Also, your comment about “This over-the-top guilt trip …” is just plain wrong, at least in my opinion. I have accused no one of anything. As I wrote above, I’m just pondering the possibilities. I have qualified all of my remarks with “if,” “possible,” and “possibly,” along with other qualifying statements. I have made no conclusions, I’ve only speculated on what could have possibly happened based on the available data.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 21, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ken, I see your concerns and can sympathize

with every one. We don’t want to see the bad press, we don’t want to have to deal with all of the innuendo. WWW is probably going to go down in history as one of the most prominent sports figures of the 21st century. And he never picked up a ball or played a minute on the court. So, are we to have the entire college basketball world resting on our shoulders until we prove we are not guilty of anything?

Probably.

And they are going to enjoy sitting on us while they pontificate about their high standards, and how they would NEVER even look at another recruit when he is “committed”. They would also NEVER take a kid with problems, or questionable character, or who’s scores are questionable, or who has parents that are looking for “perks”. They have the very best in the business to look after their program so that no unsightly behavior goes on. And you know what?, they may look pure, they may sound pure….but they are no different than anyone else. We have a bullseye on our backs the size of Texas, and any idiot with a dart wants a chance to hit the target.

I guess I am learning to " Embrace The Hate"…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 21, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Overreacting

I think your overreacting on this one Ken. According to KSR this morning Cal hasnt had any contact with Selby since his commitment to UT. I know that Wes has talked to him but one conversation should not a decommitment make and no one can even prove that Wes urged him to come to UK. I dont know the circumstances of this kids decommit. It’s doubtful that we’ll ever know BUT if UK fans are going to take umbrage at this situation I think that the next few years are going to be very anxiety filled for us. Relax and let this thing play out. As good as Selby is it’s far from a done deal that he even comes to UK. We are recruiting other players out there just as good.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 21, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: davw83

I can certainly understand why you think I’m overreacting.

But, all I was attempting to do was take a look at the possibilites. It’s probably nothing, I really believe that, but the circumstances, in my view, warranted a critical look at the situation.

One more thing — I am aware of UK denying having talked to the kid, but, does anyone think that they would admit to it if they had. I wouldn’t.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 22, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasnt really critisizing you. just giving you my opinion

it was a well written piece.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 22, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: davw

I hope my response to you didn’t come-off as me being too defensive. I have a great amount of respect for your opinions.

I expected to be criticized/disagreed with on this issue, and I was. But that’s okay. One of the great things about ASoB is the level of civility present, even though we may disagree on some issues.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 22, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally cool

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 23, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Opinion
Maeshon Witherspoon, Selby’s mother, admits to talking with Wesley at the LeBron James get-together, “I met Wes, but we really didn’t talk; that’s not a connection like everybody thinks.” I understand the first part of her quote, you know, about her meeting Wesley, but the second part of her remark … well, I’m still trying to make sense of it: “… that’s not a connection like everybody thinks.” What exactly does that mean?

In my opinion, this means that Selby’s mother is aware of all the rumor and innuendo in connection with WWW. She expected that once the fact that she and her son had met WWW at around the time the decommittment occurred to open the floodgate of “it had to be that dirty WWW up to his old tricks again.” I feel like her statement was meant to address that in a non-confrontational way.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 21, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: kentuckygirl

You may very well be right.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 22, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to write that I told you so.

But I told you so.

Get use to it, but keep as many fingers crossed as you can while allowing a few to hold your nose.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 21, 2009 9:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Uh ...

 … “I told you …” what?

Maybe you should explain what it is you’re gloating over when you’re gloating.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

simply amazing

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 21, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is being critical here Hoze.....just offering opinions is all

just like Ken did when he wrote the article. You are welcome to yours as well, but dont turn this into something it is not. The article is a good one, based upon the information that is out there, but there are always going to be “Defenders of the Faith” where the Cats are concerned, of which I am one. Let’s just not make this one about all of the snide comments and nonsense, ok?….We can do “Point-Counterpoint” all day, but I do not see this one getting resolved to anyone’s satisfaction.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 21, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I told you so in regards to the scrutiny when 'playing in the shadows'.

…and WWW is a shady character.

Face it…regardless whether it is fair or not, you have welcomed the program to a place that use to be inhabited by the UNLV’s of the basketball world. Have fun with it.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 21, 2009 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I'm enjoying it

All this attention is inconsequential. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. No one has proven anything in regards to Cal yet and I have no fear whatsoever of situations that occurred at Memphis and Umass happening at UK.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 21, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

This kid has just changed his mind. Hopefully, not at the urging of Nike, or anyone else. His mom states that he is considering several schools. Just relax, enjoy the rest of the summer, and “embrace the hate”…

"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"

by iam4ukintn on Jul 21, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry

I have said for a long time that I’m uncomfortable with Coach Cal’s recruiting ways, but it’s hard for me to swallow a lecture on morality from a cards fan considering your sleaze of a coach. If we’re going to be the new UNLV of the basketball world, then your coach is the JFK of his profession, and not in a good way.

by daniel81 on Jul 21, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta hand it to you Hoze.....you must have the utmost

faith in Tru and his principles and beliefs. You interject yourself as a “concerned party” to a site that not only doesnt cater to your particular set of beliefs, you assume that your continued and incessant finger pointing will be tolerated no matter the subject and how trivial or important.

Are you simply looking for the phrase or interjection that will cause your removal from the blogs’ posters?, or are you trying to compensate for a deeper sense of not belonging to even your own fanbase?

Either way, youre a brave soul…..you should be in the insurance business man…..you handle rejection better than anyone I have ever met.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 21, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you so consumed with how I think and my motives?

I already have a wife. It’s kinda weird. You really need to spend more time addressing my points.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 21, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As soon as your points become more

relevant that your rhetoric, then I may have to change directions…..until then….I just really want you to be a happy kinda guy…..

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 21, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, dear, whatever you say.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 21, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now THAT was creepy.......

could that be veiled disassociativactiviism disguised as snappy reparte’ ? I think so….but I am no expert on the habits of the…..what did you call it?….oh yeah….“self-important egomaniac”….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 21, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scrutiny?

Heh. Very funny.

As if you and most others weren’t predisposed to your indefensible positions despite a total lack of credible evidence.

Typical.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The National Media

and others believes UK cheats all the time.They have thought this for the last sixty years. According to them we wake up every day looking for some recruit to steal. We are going to have to live with it. We have to avoid any suggestion of cheating or of any violation, no matter how minor. All we can do is give Miss Bell a big stick and the authority to use it Other than that, all we can do is “Embrace It” and to hell with them.

"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.

by kydamcat on Jul 21, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

F the national media

All they are looking for is the next story to hype.

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jul 21, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In regards to 'suggestions'...

…you are already there with the hiring of Cal and now with situations such as this. Too bad.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 21, 2009 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Quote

I saw a quote in a Gregg Doyel article this morning that i thought was pretty apt around here at times.

“An idiot speaks nonsense, and the world listens. Shame on the idiot? Nah. That’s what idiots do. They speak nonsense. But shame on the world for listening”

or shame on me and the rest of ASOB for listening.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jul 21, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

I see you brought your gun today, Davw83. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or.....As Ice-T once said:

“Dont hate the playa. Hate the game.” ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 21, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You quoted Ice T?

Cool points sapping away…

by daniel81 on Jul 21, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you realize ...

… what an oxymoron that was? :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not an Ice-T fan

but the quote fit. I cant help who said it! LOL!

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 21, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I looked up and saw the lights of the Goodyear blip

and it read Ice Cube’s a pimp

Come on, that is gold……lol

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jul 21, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

that would be Ice CUBE not Ice-T. Ice Cube I happened to like back in the day. Ice-T, not so much.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 21, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

Same time frame though…..I didn’t clarify that in my post

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jul 21, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a quote from George Carman that I find appropriate recently.
He behaved like an ostrich and put his head in the sand, thereby exposing his thinking parts.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 21, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a quote from me.

Rather than having your head in the sand, I am becoming more and more convinced it is buried inside your thinking parts – as anatomically incredible as that might seem. :)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good one.

I need to learn to quote myself w/o looking like a self important egomaniac, though. :-)

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jul 21, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's impossible for you. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All good points...

even by the card-carrying Cards. However, I think many states, many colleges, and many recruits will take issue with Ken’s statement that Lexington is currently the “Mecca of college basketball.” Until we return to the final four and start hanging a few championship banners again, I would dare say that Lexington is not, at this point in time, college basketball’s Mecca. I am both hopeful and optimistic, however, that this will soon change and that we will return to our righful place as King of the college basketball world. I just don’t think we are there yet… .

by tooblue on Jul 21, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Pearl

you know… a lot of people are making way too much of Bruce Pearl’s absence which could have everything or nothing to do with Selby’s decommitment…

I’m sure that Wesley made plenty of stink about it – but so are the media and blogsites…

It is disappointing that Bruce Pearl gets to represent the US in this way – something he finds meaningful in both his faith and career – and he has to face all the critics over it. Obviously UT had no problem with it!…Obviously UT had no issue with him being Jewish either…

But I do wonder about the media, the fan sites, the opposing fan sites … and well anyone in general who question his decision to get involved with a program like Maccabiah after years and years of trying to be a part of something like that. He’ll never get the Coach K invite to the Olympics – and honestly I think Coach K getting it every time is silly, it should be a one time honor and let the honor get around… but so is Maccabiah – it is an honor

Selby should have felt honored to have a FULL SCHOLARSHIP to UT and get to play for a coach the caliber of Pearl. I hope his decommit is seen as a sign of disloyalty…

Personally, I think the SEC should step in and blackball him for recruiting/playing in the league. I am not a fan of Myles Brand and his NCAA reign….I despised him when I was at Indiana U when he ran off their HoF coach on trumped up charges… But if somehow Wesley is involved, I think the NCAA should move

Also… why does UK need another blue chip point guard? they need another shooter, or PF…but with Wall and Bledsoe we’re set for 2 yrs…and don’t we have another PG in next year’s class? That’s ideal – get Wall in with Bledsoe and then Bledsoe is the leader next year while mentoring the next blue chipper – even if Bledsoe is 2 and done, it is a much better plan of continuity to build a dynasty with someone always grooming their successor.

by UKFaninSoFla on Jul 21, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh.

If only.

If the SEC did that without a rule in place, it would be writing checks with a large number of zeros behind it to the Selby family.

Not only that, but Pearl was the beneficiary of a very similar situation in Scotty Hopson, but nobody complained about that.

Sauce for the goose …

As for UK’s needs, I think we should recruit ’em all and let God sort ’em out. :-) Well, not Lance Stepenson … Okay, ALMOST all. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those poor bastards at Cincinnati

You should hear the local sports talk, their fans think they have their savior…….

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jul 21, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

Stephenson will fit in just fine at Cincy!

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 21, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, anyone know what Cal's big announcement

is for this afternoon????

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 21, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah ...

… he’s going to announce that the NCAA has decided to declare Kentucky the 2010 national champion during Midnight Madness, and cancel the season. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now thats more like it!!!!

have ’em giving up before we start……I Like it!

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 21, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lord help us all

if it has anything to do with Selby committing to UK. ;)

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 21, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was the website.

Bleh. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 21, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a story that moves the needle

so get used it. Cal really has no significant reason to cheat considering he has plenty of legit selling points.

As a far as William Wesley goes it’s my understanding that he’s a NIke rep who tries to get kids interested in Nike schools. There’s so much written about him that if he was breaking rules you’d think someone would be all over it, but there’s nothing. Maybe he is and nobody can catch him, but then again maybe anything is happening on any subject but we just don’t know it yet. When no hard evidence is required it’s easy to run wild with theories and guesses.

You mentioned that there is “a preponderance of evidence that Wesley is up to something, and it isn’t housing the homeless.” Well, that’s intentionally vague, but what exactly are you implying he’s doing and then what evidence do you possess that constitutes a preponderance? Those seem like legit questions to me and I don’t have the answers. I doubt you do either, but it sounds good.

Obviously, writing stories about “shady” dealings at UK gets ratings so they will continue to be written. They piss off most UK fans (not the self-loathing ones) and make rival fans feel good so everyone reads it. Just like this article, most have very few facts and instead are based on guesses, wishful thinking and creative phrasing.

There is not one piece of evidence that even suggests UK had anything to do with him decommiting, but wouldn’t it be a highly rated story if they did? Well why wait? Just write the story anyway and replace facts with what you’d like to be true.

Facts aren’t required anymore, in fact, if you ask for them people claim that just proves you’re naive. Being a writer must be a lot easier today when you don’t need anything more than a guess and a computer to write a “credible” article. Doing actual research is such a time consuming nuisance, why bother?

You also say, “Think of it like this: UK is the convict on parole; Big Blue needs to be as clean as the preacher’s sheets.” Why would I think of it like that? I guess you think of it like that and you’re entitled to do so, but why should UK be held to a higher standard than any other school not on probation? I’ll assume transgressions 20 years ago would be your answer, but it more likely is the result of you bowing to current media perceptions instead of challenging them to produce evidence.

I’ll let you in on a little secret, if UK is winning and/or recruiting well the national media is going to write stories about UK possibly being shady (see the title of the post if you want to know why).

Btw, on a general note: Schools recruit committed kids in football constantly and it’s just accepted. Where’s the outrage? The double standards, intellectual dishonesty and outright falsehoods in today’s media make that profession as shady as any sport in the world. I doubt we’ll see an article about that anytime soon though. Somehow the media rarely takes serious critcism about journalistic standards from other media members, I wonder why?

by DustinUK on Jul 21, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Dustin

Let me take your points one-by-one:

"Preponderance of evidence … " — Read the GQ article I linked, and/or google William Wesley and there for all to read is a plethora of superficial info regarding his activities. My intent with that sentence was to call in to question why we don’t know more about this, evidently, influential person. If I seemed “intentionally vague” it’s because all that is ever written or said about the guy is vague.

Also, this is not an original thought. Many reporters/journalists over the last several years have brought into question his activities, and lack of knowledge about what he does. We know he represents Nike, but at what cost to college athletics? Perhaps he’s a completely above-board operator, perhaps not, I don’t know. But that doesn’t keep me from legitimately asking “what if,” which is all this article does.

“Shady dealings at UK” — I have not accused anyone associated with UK of any shady dealings. Reread the article.

No evidence that UK had anything to do with the Selby decommit — You are exactly right, and I don’t accuse UK of having anything to do with the decommitment. I only take the available facts, which gave me pause, and ask the question, “what if?” If you’ll notice, I use qualifying remarks throughout the piece. That was intentional, because as I clearly state very early in the piece, not all of the facts of this situation are known to the masses.

Research — I realize you joined the site Tuesday, so perhaps you aren’t familiar with my work, but I generally put in at least 4-5 hours, many times up to 7 hours, of research and writing on each post. Research is not something I’m afraid of. Being thorough is something that I am obsessive about. This particular piece was well researched.
 
Facts aren’t used is this piece — Hogwash. I use many, many facts, and I present nothing as fact which is not. Reread the article.

Something that you fail to see is that I reach no conclusions, I am only pondering the possibilities.

Holding UK to a higher standard — Don’t forget the football program was nearly dismantled by one Hal Mumme/NCAA not that long ago. Plus, I hold UK to a high standard because I don’t want my favorite team doing anything untoward. I hate cheaters, especially when it is so unnecessary.

Schools recruiting committed kids — I know it goes on in football with regularity. People kill each other all the time also, that doesn’t make it right. I simply do not like the practice, and I think I explained my reasoning very clearly in my piece.

Allow me to reiterate; I have accused no one of anything, and the only conclusion I draw is that Selby decommitted from UT. I qualified all my musings with “if,” “possible,” and “possibly,” along with other qualifying remarks. Without clear evidence I would never,and have never, accused anyone of committing any egregious acts; not Cal, his staff or anyone associated with UK. I am, though, a bit troubled by William Wesley and his relationship with Calipari. A feeling that won’t go away until I know more clearly the nature of the relationship, which is probably something I’ll never learn.

 

by Ken Howlett on Jul 22, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What a tough issue - at least for me....

to start with, i am sick of “everyone” always referring to the GQ article when establishing WWW’s credibility – or lack thereof. I am not saying GQ is not a fine journalistic magazine (sarcasm) but to make that one article the gospel just does not “feel” right. Ken, i know you do fine research (not sarcasm) so i would hope you find another article to support the contentions aimed in general at WWW.

the struggle within me is between the “where there’s smoke there’s fire” argument and the “innocent until proven guilty” argument. of course one of my wife’s favorite sayings is “if you aren’t doing anything wrong, then scruitiny should not bother you.” ultimately, i believe the truth will win out so am glad that we live in a free society.

The UK basketball program does need to be bigger than the coach so it is important that we do hold everyone associated with the program to a higher standard. i have no problem with someone like you (or Tru) being the one holding up the light – in some small way, i do not even mind Hoze doing the same thing (its just that dang blame avatar of his that seems to taint anything he says).

all that being said, i had lunch yesterday with a alabama fan. he said saban may be an a##h###, but he was my a##h###. i guess Cal may be a slick car salesman, but at least he is my slick car saleman….

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Jul 22, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: memphis

The GQ article, is in my opinion, still the definitive piece written about Wesley, which is why I linked the story. There really doesn’t exist any article, that I know of, that goes more in-depth about his activities than the GQ piece. What exists are many articles calling into question what Wesley does.

As far as the “where there’s smoke there’s fire” stance of some people — I took great pains NOT to use that phrase, even though my piece may dance around that claim. As I’ve noted in several of my responses here, as well as in my return emails to folks, I am not accusing anyone of anything. I am only looking at the possibilities, which are possibilities in my mind, because of the uncertainty of Wesley’s activities.

Lastly, even though my piece is not a “warm and fuzzy” look at UK/Calipari, I don’t feel that Cal is a sleazy figure. I love the guy and what he’s doing at Kentucky, but I’ve had reservations about his and other coaches relationship with Wesley for about three years now. But as many have noted, nothing untoward has been proved to have happened regarding Wesley, or any of the coaches he’s associated with. My only hope is that it stays that way.

I appreciate your thoughtful response!

by Ken Howlett on Jul 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definitive?

Well, it was certainly dogged, but given the fact that the writer managed to antagonize Wesley in the process, and seems to have some preconceived notions about him, I am reluctant to give the piece quite that much credit.

There is a lot of good reporting in there, but there is some bad also, and some egregious errors and downright rudeness on the part of the author. So I am loath to give it the imprimatur of “definitive.” :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 22, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes ...

… we can’t let the perfect become the enemy of the good. :-)

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 23, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent

I must remember that phrase!

by Ken Howlett on Jul 23, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say you don’t use any facts in this piece, but I do feel you use hearsay and imply that it carries the weight of evidence. Any writer knows you don’t have to expressly state something to say it.

The whole article just leaves a negative impression in the reader’s mind. Qualifying things only serves to give you an out while still allowing you to imply freely. Writers do it all the time, they leave themselves “outs” in their actual phrasing, but you can’t come away from the article without getting the jist of what they want you to think.

You use words like “disturbing” which is inflamatory, and the phrase “this character” which is loaded. If I had concerns, but had no hard evidence I would probably say something along the lines of “this situation has caught my eye and makes me wanna research it further so I can have some real evidence to comment on.” However, you don’t take this route which is you’re right, but thats how I tend to handle things when the evidence is lacking or is unclear.

You also say that you don’t accuse UK of anything which is explicitly correct, but you imply wrong doing by simply equating the two. Here’s an example, I ask this question to a large group of people “What if his mother’s a whore?” Now, I haven’t technically made any statement here, but in effect I have.(That’s a standard example nothing personal about your mother)

Why do you think CBSSportsline.com has the article linked on it’s CBB front page with the tag- line “Trouble at UK?” It’s because it’s a self-described UK supporter insinuating negative things about the program. They also use the ploy of making a statement disguised as a question in that tagline as you do in you in the title of the post, it’s popular.

William Wesley( I call him that because his nick names have taken on negative connotations) may be breaking rules, I really don’t know, but my concern is that any negative angle on any UK story, accurate or not, will be played up ad nauseam by the local and national media alike. So it makes you wonder who’s standing up for UK and demanding evidence. I’m not familiar with your overall work but after reading this piece an old line pops into my head, “With friends like these, who needs enemies?”

by DustinUK on Jul 23, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Re: Dustin

Well, the piece was intended to leave a negative impression, and if qualifying my remarks leaves me an out, then so be it. I’m not going to fail to qualify my statements, because then my piece would come off much more accusatory.

Your final line is partially what’s wrong with not only UK fans, but most hard-core fan-bases: Scurrying away from anything that may paint ones favorite team in a negative light, and refusing to examine that which may be unpleasant, leaves us all as only cheer leaders instead of care takers of the thing we love.

Now in your opinion, this particular case may not be a situation that calls for such an examination. And for that, I find no fault, but the tenor of what you write seems to imply that anybody who ever writes or says anything slightly negative about UK is hurting the program. If true, I simply can’t agree.

by Ken Howlett on Jul 23, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All houses need airing out come spring

just lets the fresh air in and the old stuffy air out…..we cant be afraid to look inside this program and say ok….this may need to be changed…..I could care less about what the rest of the world, says about us, because that as I am beginning to learn is never going to change,but when a subject is as volatile as this one is, it needs to be discussed….don’t think these discussions don’t take place at the University…..no one has their head stuck in the sand there…..and we cannot afford to either.

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 23, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I view it as an adversarial system

This story will be covered negatively by plenty of people. That angle of the story is heavy “reported”, but who will take the other side of the argument? No one nationally because bashing UK rates higher than standing up for them. So if not them then who? People who don’t have UK’s interests at heart use your words as their propaganda.

I wouldn’t “scurry away” from something that was backed up by evidence, but negative rumor mongering about UK is already many writers off-season obsession. Why would I, as a UK fan, pile on when there is no hard evidence supporting their claims? The only reason I can think of is that link on CBSSportsline, because you know you wouldn’t get that unless it was a negative piece on UK. You’re entitled to angle for exposure however you want, but as a UK supporter I’ll give my school the benefit of the serious doubt that exists in this case.

by DustinUK on Jul 27, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, WWW isn't the type of guy to fade out of the picture.

I’m a Memphis Tiger basketball fan, and this story was linked on something else I was reading, so, if you want to discount the rest of my post based upon that, then skip to the next post. For anyone left reading, I thought this was a very well-written article, and I immediately empathized with the author’s concerns. Up until April, I had the same ones.

For the better part of 9 years, I was a big supporter of Coach Calipari, particularly the last 5 or 6. His teams won games, and who doesn’t like that? But the recruiting that Cal is noted for became, just as it seems to have become in the eyes of the author of this story, a matter of concern. The more I read about Mr. Wesley, the more it sounded like trouble.

The guy is a prototypical shady character, and his connections with Nike, Calipari, and Oregon assistant coach Kenny Payne ought to make anyone associated with those individuals or institutions nervous. Where does his money come from? What is the source of his influence over highly talented highschool basketball players? What is his relationship with Nike? My first shudder when I began reading about this “friend” of Calipari’s was when Cal called him (in the infamous quote) "a goodwill ambassador to our (Memphis) program. People whose relationship with someone can’t be nailed down usually have an illicit relationship, in my experience. This fellow is nothing if not arrogant, and he will not meekly whimper away.

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_5735&pageNum=8

Nothing has been proven. Nothing, to my knowledge, has even been alleged by any law enforcement or other regulatory agency as to the workings of William Wesley. But there’s something in Proverbs about the wise seeing trouble coming and hiding while the foolish continue and suffer for it. Might be appropriate advice, in this case. Maybe not — who knows?

I should also point out that, although I said earlier that my concerns ended last April, that’s not entirely true. These kinds of relationships, even when they’re past, can come back to bite you, and I’m not sure we’ve dodged the bullet, yet. I hope we have, and I don’t wish any harm on the University of Kentucky’s basketball program because of Worldwide Wes and his pal, your coach. As for Mitch Barnhart laying down the law in regards to this issue, my guess is that Cal will be running your program just like he was running ours — with virtual impunity. If Cal wants it, he’ll get it as long as he’s winning. You may think otherwise now, but stick around. You haven’t tasted winning for a while, and maybe you’ve forgotten how drunkening it can become.

Anyway, good luck. Looks like you’ll have a great team next year. I don’t particularly like anybody else in the SEC, so beat the heck out of ‘em. By the way, I loved the “Tubby Eruptions” exclusion in the guidelines for using this site. I’m still laughing about that one!

by MTiger on Jul 23, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for stopping by.

You are welcome anytime. Thoughtful comment, whether I agree with it or not.

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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 27, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GQ link

Sorry about piling on with another link to the GQ article. Guess I should have read the entire thread before commenting.

by MTiger on Jul 23, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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