John Calipari, NBA Maquereau?
Jerry Tipton, the consummate pot-stirrer and negative ninny, has an article today entitled, "Recruits view coach as lottery ticket," and with the subtitle, "Calipari's willingness to accept one-and-dones a big selling point." Does that sound complimentary to you? Not to me, although it does have the virtue of being accurate.
So that's not all bad, right? Well, not really -- until you read Tipton's set-up:
To hear prospects talk at last week's recruiting camps, John Calipari is selling the NBA more than he's selling Kentucky basketball. And that's what the customers, er, prospects are lining up to buy.
Wait -- you don't know what the French word "maquereau" means in this context? If you get the meaning of that paragraph, you have certainly figured it out by now. For the cognitively deliberate, what Tipton is telling us here is that Calipari is pimping the NBA to all these kids, and selling precious little UK basketball. Furthermore, he is telling us that is exactly what he kids are lining up to buy, just like johns line up for a chance at pretty call girls.
So, ladies and gentlemen of the Big Blue Nation, how do you feel about this? How do you feel about the idea that Tipton is trying to sell us, that Calipari is really just an NBA pimp wearing a UK polo shirt, along with the implication that the school and the Kentucky tradition mean nothing to anyone except gullible traditionalists like us? Now, make no mistake -- I understand that Kentucky tradition is mostly lost on today's top recruits. They don't come here for the tradition, or the pretty girls, or the nice campus, or the great facilities. Not at all. Nope, according to the venerable Jerry Tiption, it is John Calipari they are coming to see. The new Godfather of the NBA player. The purveyor of Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans. The Pied Piper of the NBA Draft.
In a way, I suppose that is simply what it has come down to. In today's college basketball world, winning the NCAA championship with less than three first-rounders on the roster is pretty much a pipe dream, and the one-and-dones are the only more or less bona-fide NBA first rounders out there. Hence, it is hard to blame Calipari for not going after them. His job is to win basketball games, and basketball games are infinitely easier to win when you have the best players available on your team -- the tallest, the fastest, the highest jumping and best shooting.
As I have argued before, and quite persuasively I believe, Calipari's Dribble Drive Motion offense is much more effective as a recruiting tool than as an actual offense. That argument is borne out by the fact that Calipari's most staggeringly successful recruiting classes began shortly after he implemented and marketed it, and market it he did. And it is also undeniable that the DDM is little more, when it is boiled down to its essence, than a series of clear-outs designed to let players take their man one-on-one. Great players at the high-school level simply live to do that, and the prospect of playing for a coach that actually encourages that kind of play is almost irresistible.
No matter how hard we want to believe that UK tradition is important to recruits, the reality is that with John Calipari here, UK is playing second fiddle and maybe not even that. In fact, UK is probably known among such recruits as "The University where Calipari coaches." That is, and no matter what I think of the way Tipton said it, the inarguable reality of what UK is today. I'm sure Coach Cal would never agree with that, nor would Mitch Barnhart. But that's because of the name on their paycheck, not their inclination to candor.
Now, I am also sure that once the players get here, they will generally come to recognize that UK is a wonderful school with all kinds of delightful and extraordinary things to recommend it. But as far as attracting recruits to UK, it is Calipari and almost nothing else -- UK has no beach, no ski slopes, no California weather, none of that. Lexington is a smallish town in the middle of a rural state all too often unfairly ridiculed in urban areas for backward, hayseed fans with the reputation of having little else to do other than swill bourbon and go bananas over college basketball.
John Calipari has clearly established himself as the pre-eminent recruiter in college basketball, and the players see playing for him as a one-way ticket into the draft lottery. But that perception, so useful to bringing in good players, comes with a cost. Calipari is selling his NBA cred, not UK. Why? Because that's what the best players are buying.
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Tipton would complain if we signed the #1 class,OOOPS
Cal is smart enough to bring in quality 4 year players along with the OAD.A large part of the UK job is recruiting,which leads to winning.If Cal can bring in stud 5* players every year,he can dress like SuperFly for all I care : )
by -Zoso- on Jul 13, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Geez, Tru.
I expect more. Why must one trash the writer first instead of considering his point of view? He uses player’s quotes…none which is more disappointing than ths: ‘Because he’s a one-and-done coach’.
I mean really, is what he writes all that surprising? Instead of jumping on Jerry, maybe you should ask as fans, do you have buyer’s remorse? I would. UK has too much tradition, pride, etc to have their reputation thrown aside to be trumped by the all powerful Cal. Sheesh. Sad.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 13, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… as you no doubt could have figured out if you had read the article, I never did dispute what Tipton said, I only offered a mild reproof to his manner of saying it.
Are you trying to become the master of hyperbole with this "…jumping on Jerry… " falderol? As far as having “buyer’s remorse,” I can only speak to myself and say that I do not. One thing I did not say is that UK tradition will become more visible with him as coach, assuming he is as successful as I believe he will be.
And a U of L fan lamenting the fact that recruits currently see Cal first and UK second (if at all) is the height of irony, and so incredibly droll I am giggling as I write this. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You remind me of Yul Brenner.
Let it be said. Let it be written. Let it be done.
Just because you write a comment doesn’t make it true. I have no idea what you are writing in the last paragaph. Besides, I use to hold you in higher regard than to fall for the easy mark of replying with a lead like ‘…but UofL did ____…’ or ‘…yea, but Pitino said ____…’ I guess, I will have to just disappoint myself and gently pull you off the pedestal of fair minded thinkers.
I giggle as well that I never bring up UofL to make my point. Never. How utterly unoriginal that most (and now you), can’t respond to a point I make w/o doing the same.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 13, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
Besides, I use to hold you in higher regard than to fall for the easy mark of replying with a lead like ‘…but UofL did ____…’ or ‘…yea, but Pitino said ____…’
What the hell this is supposed to refer to, I have no earthly idea. And none of the rest of your post makes any sense. The fact is that you are a U of L fan. You often post from that perspective, whether you mention it or not. I call your attention to the football post below as a case in point, as if I really needed an example.
As to a response to your point, I did respond to every relevant one, even the one that was clearly an attempt to impugn me for something I didn’t do.
I find it fascinating that you can’t find the humor in the same irony I pointed out. Could you possibly be any more grim?
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell this is supposed to refer to??
‘And a U of L fan lamenting the fact that recruits …(etc.)’
Your words on your original response. Yea I am not only a fan of UofL but an alum. Yea, you’re right, but if it is so obvious why mention it? That is my point.
I impunged you and I am the one that deals in hyperbole? Wow. I just wonder why you constantly ‘beg’ for an apology whenever I happen to disagree with you.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 13, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"fair-minded"
Did he actually say “fair-minded”? In any way using it to criticize someone else? There’s a word for that? Oh yeah, “Oxymoron”. Personally, I think our resident Hozecritiquer (?) just tries to do nothing more then stir up things a little bit, which I enjoy. Therefore Hozerbuddy, thanks, you make things a little more interesting around here. We get a good excuse for venting some of the UL angst that we all have stored up in surplus supply in our personal libraries. We all need a little therapy from time to time, and Hozetheflowersman supplies it free of charge. We should all appreciate the service he renders unto us all.
Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....Because, it's called a "corrupt seed", not a "corrupt egg"!
by blubloodcatfan on Jul 13, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Buyers remorse," oh don't you wish.
That’s one of the more ridiculous statements, out of a litany of ridiculous statements, that you have penned on this site.
by Ken Howlett on Jul 13, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the supporting argument.
Well thought out. Nice effort.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 13, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the all powerful Pitino throwing aside the reputation of UL
http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=10720288&nav=menu203_4
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 13, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read that article before posting it? Her own attorney wants nothing to do with her.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Jul 13, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is still an embarassment to UL that Pitino would put himself in that kind of situation
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 14, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I eagerly await the “John Calipari: The Most Monogamous Coach in Kentucky” t-shirts.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Jul 14, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, hell yeah!
:-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 15, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Calipari is doing the right thing. Basketball players go to college to get good enough to get a job coaching or playing professional basketball. Kentucky was wise enough to get an instructor who can help the players further their goals. That is what college is for.
Kentucky has the best facilities, the best coaches and the best players. This, in turn will encourage more and better players to attend school here for one or maybe even five years.
Though we will always have detractors, it will only help our reputation if we keep winning.
by oldkentucky on Jul 13, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is so.
As I mentioned to HozeKing above, UK tradition will eventually reappear, I believe, if Cal is as successful as we all hope he will be. Usually, the tradition leads. In this case, it is likely to follow.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief.
So you are admitting that Cal has made the tradition ‘disappear’?? Good lord, man. You don’t have buyer’s remorse
Hoping it will reappear is just like hoping that Cal won’t play unfairly with the roster in the future like he did this year. Keep hope alive, I guess. Good luck with that.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 13, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all.
Only a person with no perspective whatsoever could read my comment that way.
Calipari’s fame has momentarily eclipsed UK tradition, for good or ill. That is reality. The fact that it will reappear as banners mount in Rupp Arena really needs no exposition.
Well, maybe to you…
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...sad.
Calipari has momentarily eclipsed UK tradition? I hope that’s not the case.
Why do I seem to be one of the few protectors of UK’s reputation and legacy? UK’s history is like no other. To suggest that any coach or any person would eclipse that tradition in any way is a problem. Any short term gains that (maybe) Cal will achieve may not be worth it.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 13, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem here
is that Pitino’s hearts desire then and now was to be bigger then UK, bigger then the Celtics, bigger then UL. And I like the guy! That’s just the truth. The only thing bigger then P’s ego is your tortured soul.
Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....Because, it's called a "corrupt seed", not a "corrupt egg"!
by blubloodcatfan on Jul 14, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...or your tortured sentence structure.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 14, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hozeking....
you being a “protector of UK’s reputation and legacy” that’s pretty funny. You have absolutely got to have the most overblown sense of self importance of anyone who visits ASoB.
Seriously man, how can you expect to be taken seriously when the only contibutions you make to this site are going out of your way to point out the flaws you see in everyone elses opinions and making outlandish statements like the one above?
by wldcatsfreak on Jul 14, 2009 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the most accurate statement
You have ever posted… UK’s history is like no other.
"You are what you are and you ain't what you ain't"
by iam4ukintn on Jul 14, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru
Not sure Cal has overshadowed UK tradition as we knew it . Our tradition has been thumped pretty hard over the last 5-6 years. Cal will be a protector and defender of UK and all it represents.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
by kydamcat on Jul 14, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great comment oldkentucky...
The only problem I have with the Tipton article is this;
What motivation from the NBA does coach have for being the so called “pimp” for them. Are they paying him? Is he looking for a job in the NBA?
No, he was hired to win at UK, be an ambasador to the Commenwealth, and be a role model to these student athletes.
Now, if part of that job requires him to get the best players, so be it if a couple of them are one and dones. Because we know that we will still get those 3 and 4 year guys as well. It’s a mix that wins games. Does he think that every recruit coach goes after is going to be a one and done? yeah right,
Coach Cal is a very attractive coach to these players, and maybe the DDM offense is as well, but it’s also the facility, the fans and the tradition that brings them here. It’s all of the above, not one or the other.
Coach is doing everything he can (as oldkentucky said) to help them reach their goals. Whether there goals are playing in the NBA, coaching, or going into the “real world”. He is being a role model and a good one in my opinion.
Go Big Blue!!!
by UKfan79 on Jul 13, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are outliers to which statistical scatterplot Tipton is alluding.
I believe that Patrick Patterson always wanted to come to UK. I think that Tubby was a draw since the"relationship" had been established. I think Clyde saw that UK was an easy sell to the Pattersons.
I think the injuries experienced by Meeks, Patterson, Porter, Harris and Jasper caused concern about UK, but Miller and Hood came because it was UK. No “pimping” there! Orton came to UK, even after Gillespie left. Maybe the new kids on the block would have followed Coach Cal anywhere, but coming to the winningest program in the history of college basketball and the chance to have the most national exposure of any college team didn’t hurt either.
by Blueobsessed on Jul 13, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only collegiate program that can get away with losing and still remain “relevant” is Notre Dame football. Everyone else has to win.
Having said that, I’ll begrudgingly admit that 1 Final Four and UK is relevant again, whereas a program with less tradition would have more work to do.
by don'tshootmei'macard on Jul 13, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… I suppose relevance is… well, for lack of a better word, relative.
Yeah, a final four would make us relevant in the sense that it would elevate UK in the minds of most back to “elite” status, the rare air currently enjoyed by North Carolina, Kansas, UCLA, and until recently, Duke. But in reality, what Kentucky needs is a run of years at or near the top to get to the kind of “relevance” we have historically enjoyed. One final four would not really get that job done, from my perspective. A national title, on the other hand … :-)
What I want is to displace North Carolina and Kansas. I know that is asking a lot, but that’s what I want.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Spoken
I just couldn’t put it into words fast enough.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
by kydamcat on Jul 14, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really don't see the problem
I don’t care why a kid comes to UK … as long as he can ball.
If the “tradition” of UK helps, that’s great. If the coach at UK is the reason a kid comes, that’s great. If it’s the beautiful campus that draws interest, that’s great. If it’s the offense the coach runs, that’s great.
I did find one thing amusing in Tipton’s article: One of the players he quotes said that, “Calipari only recruits one-and-dones.” Cal has recruited exactly two one-and-done players to this point in his career, but perception is reality.
by Ken Howlett on Jul 13, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Yeah, that is true. But perception, as they say, is reality …
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino Had 3 Players Leave Early For NBA
His successor had 4 players leave early – Nazr, Azubuike, Rondo, and Morris.
Yet perception is the reverse.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many of them were lottery picks?
I’ll give you a hint. Bupkis.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Only Matters On Draft Day
How many Lotto Picks has Calipari had? A few, not many.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Calipari has only had 4 lottery picks, but has had 6 or 7 guys go in the First Round.
Lottery guys were Camby, Rose, Wagner, and Evans. Rodney Carney just fell out of the lottery in 2006, as did Shawne Williams in the early 2000s.
by mrmondaynite on Jul 13, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only 2 (probably 3 once Evans gets going) lived up to any expectations.
And I think a lot of people would argue that Camby actually didn’t.
by mrmondaynite on Jul 13, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couple second rounders
Chris Douglass-Roberts (sp?) and Joey Dorsey come to mind.
by mrmondaynite on Jul 13, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said. I don't care what brings a player to UK either, but we all have to admit
all the players don’t come to UK for one single reason as Tipton alludes. The “pimping” analogy is a bit offensive to me. Tipton’s writing style was one of the reasons I dropped my subscription to the “Misleader” when I lived there.
by Blueobsessed on Jul 13, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schools/Basketball
How does any higher education institution market itself? It’s not by telling perspective students that we can make you smarter than other schools. Its by telling them we can make you a better professional with a better job than other schools. Cal is doing the same thing. Why on earth would UK tradition appeal to 18 yr old kids scattered all over the country from places far from Kentucky that were 7 yrs old the last time UK won a championship? Answer….it doesnt.
You can bet though that when they leave UK they will bleed blue. Jodie Meeks has said he will always be a wildcat. Jeremy Jarmon said he will always bleed blue. It doesnt matter why they come. The blue gets in the blood. They will leave as Wildcats. It’s something our friend Hoze from the other school down the road wouldnt understand. It’s a culture.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Jul 13, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's only been a NBA rule for a couple of years.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 13, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitino Sent Players To NBA
Hanson from 1991 team. Mashburn in 1993. Dent in 1994. Walker, Delk, McCarty, Pope in 1996. Mercer, Anderson in 1997.
His successor continued in that vein. Nazr and Shep in 1998. Padgett and Turner in 1999. Magloire in 2000. Prince in 2002. Bogans in 2003. Daniels and Fitch in 2004. Hayes and Azubuike from 2005 team. Rondo in 2006. Morris in 2007.
HIS successor sent Crawford in 2008 and Meeks in 2009.
I don’t have a problem with Calipari doing more of the same.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 13, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that Tipton’s piece, although seen by some as negative, is true.
“John Calipari is selling the NBA more than he’s selling Kentucky basketball”….
The truth of the matter is that there is actually very little UK basketball to sell right now. Let’s face it, our tradition and excellence has faded a bit and it obviously means very little (dare I say, almost nothing) to the top rated talent today, so Cal is selling what he has, a clever offense, and his recent reputation of being a gateway to the NBA. The college basketball world much like all business carries a "what have you done lately" motto and being a gateway, of sorts, to the NBA is what Coach Cal has been successful at recently and that’s what sticks in the minds of recruits and what is drawing them in.
IMO, since UK has ceased to be relevant on a national stage over the last few years, right now it appears as though UK needs the publicity and the results that the one-and-done players, i.e. — the best players in the country can provide more than they need us so I welcome them. My hope, of course, is that eventually, with enough positive results UK’s national relevance will return, and in the minds of today’s players we will once again be seen as UK in addition to a gateway to the NBA. That’s my hope, anyway, but that’s not reality right now, IMO.
by BigSkyCat on Jul 13, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's A Marketing World
I posted the Tiption article Sunday under Fanshots with the title: Calipari The NBA Ticket: Get Used To One-And-Done. And this player quote is all one needs to know:
“I really like them, especially since Cal went there,” forward Johnny O’Bryant said of Kentucky. “Because he’s a one-and-done coach. He coaches players. He only recruits one-year players, and most players want to get to the NBA as soon as possible.”
Young folks sometimes, usually actually, don’t have the sophistication and guile to disguise the perceived truth and unpretentious motives in adult niceties such as tradition, fan support, etc. They quickly recognize the essence of the situation and cut quickly to it.
I didn’t have a problem with Tipton’s piece yesterday and I don’t today. It’s factual in all instances as far as I can ascertain including, most likely, the opinion that Calipari is selling the NBA first and UK second. His comment:
And that’s what the customers, er, prospects are lining up to buy.
is, of course, exactly true. As a person who made a quite good living marketing products, services and ideas my only regret is that I am not of the age to take advantage of a marketing-focused world. It’s quite amazing to me that those of us who marvel and glory in the fact that Coach Calipari is nearing a half-million followers on Twitter are the same people who don’t understand or accept that it’s about selling the product to the target demographic.
One other thing dismays me and that is: Why on earth do UK fans respond to HozeKing and his intentionally provocative and inconsequential comments?
"The prosperity of commerce is now perceived and acknowledged by all enlightened statesmen to be the most useful as well as the most productive source of national wealth, and has accordingly become a primary object of its political cares."
--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 12, 27 November 1787
by Wild Weasel on Jul 13, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why does HozeKing comment on a UK blog on a consistent basis?
To me, reading a blog about something that I clearly don’t like would be a waste of time. Commenting would be an even bigger waste.
by mrmondaynite on Jul 13, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing against him...
anyone can become a member and comment here. But I feel like one of the reasons I read and actively participate here is because I feel a camaraderie…like we’re cheering on UK in unison.
by mrmondaynite on Jul 13, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I appreciate and welcome opposing views, however,
of late Hoze has done nothing but criticize our Coach, criticize the Tru and Ken, and criticize just about every comment that he’s a part of.
If he has so much criticism for this site, its writers, and its commenters, I don’t get why he sticks around.
Also, his knight in shining armor riding on a white stallion to protect UK’s tradition is laughable at best.
To those that may be more recent to the site, Hoze used to offer good commentary and respectful debate. In the waning days if Gillispie’s era and into the Calipari era, that has all changed.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Jul 14, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillispie
It’s ok, Hoze. I miss him, too. ;)
LOL!!!
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 14, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn....another arbiter to all that's right and wrong.
Again, I just need to get access to that ‘scoreboard’ in the sky. You are right. I am not a fan of Calipari. Wasn’t a fan of Cal…ever. Unlike most on this board, my principles do not flip based on who is coach and who is not. I have been consistent before he was at Memphis, while he was at Memphis, the first time he begged for the UK job, and after he was hired this time around. I won’t even go into what he did with the roster this summer.
I think it is a bad deal for UK to have hired him. Sorry. UK and it’s fans have far too much going for them to compromise. I think it was shameful what UK did to Gillispie. I think it is disgusting how they ‘bought’ Cal. I could go on.
You are welcomed to jump on the white horse. I have noticed others have tried like Daniel and Paris but they have both been ‘jumped’ on and criticized themselves. It’s too bad, really.
Does that explain it and answer all your wonders?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 14, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I happen to agree
with you on the Gillispie deal, but as far as “buying” Cal; business is business. Cal is being paid to do a job – granted he is being paid a whole hell of a lot of money to do said job – but it is a job nonetheless and the last time I checked people who have jobs are compensated monetarily. That’s what makes the world go round, my friend. Those with more money can afford better things. That’s just life.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 14, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what's really annoying about this comment ...
… is the absolutely ludicrous suggestion that others finding Calipari objectionable have been “jumped on.” Quite honestly, this is an absolutely specious comment even from you.
Many people’s objections to Calipari revolve around the fallacious “guilt by proximity” argument. That’s all. Daniel’s comments were of that nature, and that is a credulous argument that is not logically defensible. I will take issue with anyone putting forth that argument as a justifiable reason for Calipari not to have been hired. It is absolutely meritless.
Now, if you just want to hold the opinion that he is unworthy, you and everyone else is certainly entitled to do that. You don’t need a reason to form an uninformed or logically inconsistent opinion, and I certainly don’t begrudge anyone the right to form such opinions.
But if you insist on trying to justify them with logical inconsistencies, you can expect a rebuttal. If that bothers you, tough.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 14, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of examples of fans being 'slammed' bringing up issues.
Please don’t make me pull quotes because I will start with yours before he was hired and before you so readily & conveniently flipped. And you dare bring up ‘inconsistences’
Thanks for the heads-up on potential rebuttals. That’s never happened before.
And, yea, Cal is not worthy. Interestingly both administrators agreed with me just a short two years ago. Funny how ones perspective & principles can be so easily compromised in paniced despiration. Well not funny in a ha-ha way…just sad really.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 14, 2009 11:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bring it on, babe.
Just don’t miss the context.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 15, 2009 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So did I, (agree with you) ...
… until I bothered to do the research and learn the truth. Something I recommend to you.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 15, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I can assume that...
…you state opinion not based on facts? Geez….that’s kind of sad. But regardless, thanks for the insight to your thought process. We will take that into context.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 16, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despiration,
is that anything like respiration? If so, take a deep breath, then hold it . . . . . . . .
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
by oldcat'69 on Jul 15, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hozeking....
fortunately for you, you are entitled to your own opinion. You have every right to think, feel and express yourself how you see fit to the extent that you stay within the guidelines of this site.
Fortune however smiles on the rest of us in that your opinion really means absolutely nothing. The disdain you show most of the people who post here and venom you spew will ultimately not sway a single fan, impact a single game or change the fact that Kentucky hired a pretty good basketball coach that has never been the focus on an NCAA investigation in his career.
It’s quite obvious for some reason you take a certain amount of pleasure spending a fair portion of your day hanging out and posting on a website dedicated to your favorite schools rival. That’s just kinda creepy, com’on do you really have nothing better to do? Is it fun for you to log on to ASoB and make every effort to pick apart other people and attempt to prove how high your moral standards are in regards to the world of college basketball.
I’m sure you’ll read this and either layout a most eloquent response where you do your best to prove your higher intellect with a scathing rebuttal or maybe you’ll “take the higher ground,” look down your nose at the computer screen and give a brief sarcastic comment meant to put me in my place. You could go either way with it but remember, in the grand scheme of things your just a guy like so many others on the internet trying to pick fights behind the safety of your keyboard. I’ll be honest with ya bro, that’s not all that impressive.
by wldcatsfreak on Jul 14, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang.
You mean I haven’t convinced anyone to burn their blue gear!?!? I am sooooo disappointed.
I’ll just have to try harder. At least my increased efforts may impress you.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 14, 2009 11:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He's a "Closet Cat"
We could probably get him to come out of the closet with just a little patience. I enjoy reading some of his posts until he gets mad. Then i tune him out.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
by kydamcat on Jul 14, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was negative with Jerry Tipton's article?
I don’t see how this article paints John Calipari in a bad light.
Calipari has gotten farther than most already and I don’t think he’s an idiot. Some of his players will have enough talent to get to the NBA after one season and if that’s the case they should. Most won’t and will stick around for a spell and that’s what brings in championships. Within a few years he should have the right mix.
by chicagoblues on Jul 13, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One & Done
Ken, I agree with the above post. Who, if why would you care how these great athletes arrive on campus. Aslong as it’s done within the guidelinesof the NCAA rule book. It’s time to stop questioning and just embrace the fact that UK basketball is back on the rise.
by BornBlue84 on Jul 13, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When Rick Pitino
came here he was selling the very same thing wrapped in a different packaging. He was sold to the fans as a coach who could get his players into the NBA because he had experience and contacts there. Forty quotes above that Pitino had 9 players go to the NBA from UK. I go just a bit further in saying that he should also receive some credit for 5 more with Nazr, Shep,Turner, Padgett, Magloire all being recruited by him, so he at least saw the potential, even if he didnt coach them. UK had not had a major NBA presence in a long time, and the fans wanted the days of Phillips, Robey, Macy, and Co. to return.
Cal makes this once again a place where kids who want the NBA can come . No knock against Coach Smith or Gillispie, but our NBA presence has slipped somewhat. Yes, we have guys out there, but only a couple right now that are making their presence felt. With these kids going to the NBA younger and younger, and with the skill sets they bring to the table, the ability to bring in NBA level talent has become so much more important than it has been in the past. Tipton is always going to have a negative overtone to anything he writes, ( I personally think he and Hoze bowl together on weekends) but his overtone misses the obvious. It has to happen if we want to be competitive.
Our “tradition”, or “legacy” as Kentucky has not been tarnished, it has just gotten a little dusty. The ability of a program to adapt and stay relevant over time is the greatest test of all. Just ask UCLA if they want the 60’s back. Our program has never remained outside the pinnacle of this sport for very long. We have our ups and downs, but we ALWAYS come back stronger. Anyone who cannot see this is blind. And I could care less if it was John Calipari, John Wooden, or John Y Brown, we have to keep up, and we have found a way to do so. Tipton’s whining, or Hoze’s rhetoric isnt going to stop us any more than a changing of the guard. Deal with it folks, we are Kentucky, and we will overcome adversity wherever it rears it’s ugly head.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 14, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Credit
Pitino gets “credit” for his players and recruits. His career total is more than 20 players & recruits.
His successor gets “credit” for his players and recruits. His career total is about 20.
HIS successor has sent several players to the NBA but only 1 of his recruits (DeAndre Jordan) so far.
Joe Hall and Eddie Sutton also sent numerous players and recruits to the NBA (or ABA) over the years.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 14, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont mean to imply that Smith didnt also have NBA players
what my meaning was is that Hall had his guys that went, and there were quite a few, and I still believe that until Calipari was hired, Joe Hall was the best recruiter we ever had here. But his numbers dropped off at the end of his tenure, and Sutton didnt have that many while he was at UK. ( was Skywalker one of his?) I honestly think that Smith was the better coach of the Smith,Gillispie,Sutton,Hall group. I think he did more with the kids he had than most,but as has been stated before, he didnt care for the fishbowl, and I understand that completely. I give Pitino “credit” for resurrecting this program and restoring it to its glory and doing exactly what he was hired for. Calipari will do the same.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 14, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching Aside
UK coaches from Rupp on have recruited and coached a LOT of NBA (or ABA) players.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 14, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Wit
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/careernba.html Here they are, Meeks not listed yet.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 14, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a lot of truth to that.
But those were different times, and as you say, it was “packaged” a bit differently.
But I agree with your underlying point.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 14, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tubby
Tubby put a ton of guys in the NBA that have stuck. I always felt he didnt get enough credit in this area.
Hayes
Prince
Bogans
Kaz
Rondo
Morris
all active NBA players
also
Fitch and Ediddy also spent time in the league and Joe as well last season.
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by davw83 on Jul 14, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every UK Coach From Rupp On Has Done That
UK is one of the top “NBA player factories” along with UCLA, UNC, Duke, and Kansas.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 14, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
it depends on what one considers “top”.
According to this piece by RPIRatings.com that looks to be written prior to the 2008/2009 NBA season, we are sitting at 9th among colleges with a total of 9 in the NBA. I would say that’s pretty good, but if your “top” is say, the first 5 or so, we have some work to do.
by BigSkyCat on Jul 14, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NBA players
As recently as 2 to 3 yrs ago we were 2nd in total NBA players. Weve seen several guys retire over the last few seasons. I think those things are cyclical.
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by davw83 on Jul 14, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are probably right about it being a cycle thing.
And really, I suppose, if you take into account our current players who might very well go to the NBA next year (Wall, Cousins, Patterson) and considering that the players UK has in the NBA now aren’t going to retire in the next year, we could in all reality leap-frog a couple of those schools in next years draft, alone. Probably not, Kansas, mind you, but maybe a couple of the others.
by BigSkyCat on Jul 14, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All-Time (I Meant)
UK is among the Top 2 or 3 (all-time) at producing NBA/ABA players.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 14, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Daniels playing for the Grizz
this season? Or is it just for their summer league?
I thought I saw his name mentioned the other day but I looked around and can’t find it.
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on Jul 15, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Summerleague roster
He could potentially make the team though.
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by davw83 on Jul 15, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just dont get it.
I highly doubt that any school would turn away John Calipari as a head coach. I also highly doubt that fan bases would not be excited at the prospect of the Calipari experience and all that it could entail. All the “hating” and negativity has to be rooted in jealousy at some level. UK has spent the past 5-6 years struggling and this has resulted in the UK tradition of “putting fear into their opponents” (etc.) becoming dim and in some cases forgotten. “UK’s days are over” became the mantra of SO many opposing (and some bandwagon UK) fans.
Now, here we are with this new opportunity. We have a new coach, a new style of play, and new highly regarded players. How can one help but be excited?? As far as any negativity goes, it really doesnt matter. I, for one, would much rather hear this type of “hate” than the “UK fell off” talk of late – or worse yet, nothing at all.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 14, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
I don’t think that Tipton is hating on anyone, I rather think that he is just an old curmudgeon (kind of like me) who fears being called a “homer” so much that his articles often wind up more negative than they need be. I look at it more as an overreaction than anything else.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 14, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tipton
I was not really referring specifically to Tipton – just in general regarding comments that I have heard both online and in “the real world” from various (mostly non-UK) people.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 14, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God forbid the beat writer for the LEXINGTON herald leader be accused of being a UK homer
I have never liked Tipton and dont think I ever will
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by davw83 on Jul 14, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it either, kygirl
What’s not to be excited about?? We’ve suffered, oooooh how we’ve suffered over the past few years from the indignity of being irrelevant and hearing taunts from rivals about how we’d fallen off. Now we have one the hottest, most buzzed about coaches in the game, with a heap of talent following him, the likelihood of being one of the better teams in the country next year, and we’re supposed to NOW be concerned about the fact that he may be selling himself and the NBA rather than proud history? Oh the horror! Like someone else said—in a much more genteel manner than I will—I don’t give a rat’s ass why high school talent comes here, long as they come—as long as it’s legal and ethical (cough emery freight cough). Kentucky tradition means a hell of a lot to who knows how many thousands upon thousands of Kentuckians, native and former and adopted, plus a few fans with no geographic ties to the place, but extremely discerning taste in basketball. And also to our many former players who have worn the jersey and basked in the adoration. But to random 17 year old hot shots from Texas or New Jersey or wherever…why would they? Kids are famously short-sited and unappreciative of history. Whatever it is you’re marketing to kids and teens, from soda to clothing to a college basketball team—I just don’t realisticly think “tradition” would be the selling point you’d go to first—if you’re going to be especially effective, that it.
I gotta trust you to keep it on the up and up, Cal (with some fearsome watchfulness of our compliance department), and I’m going to bask in the summertime by the pool with a book and a drink in my hand, with happy thoughts about the coming season… as Tru, via Alfred E. Neuman, says, what, me worry?? : )
by blue kentucky girl on Jul 14, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You nailed it BKG
with this statement, “Whatever it is you’re marketing to kids and teens, from soda to clothing to a college basketball team—I just don’t realisticly think "tradition" would be the selling point you’d go to first—if you’re going to be especially effective, that it.”
Succinct and accurate. A three year old could understand that. :)
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on Jul 15, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the choice?
The public image of Kentucky seems to have taken a solid blow (outside of the rabid fan base) for hiring Calipari. If UK could have only one of the following, what should be the choice? Would alums choose differently than other fans?
- Routine top 5 ranking in NCAA basketball?
- Routine top 5 ranking in NCAA football?
- Routine top 5 ranking as a public university?
I hope my school would choose being a great public university, even though I really enjoy games in Kenan stadium or the Smith Center.
by Ford Prefect on Jul 14, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great Public University
Not too shabby on that end: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=60582625642
NCAA Basketball – Looking pretty good here, too: http://www.collegehoopsvideo.com/2009/07/pre-season-2009-ncaa-basketball-rankings-july-edition/
NCAA Football: Still working on this one, but three bowl wins in a row aint too shabby!!
GO CATS!!!! (Is there any other choice??) ;)
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 14, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
I’d like to see you defend that argument. It has taken a solid blow from UK rivals and a few “holier than thou” sportswriters with a homerism complex like Pat Forde, or those who use the irrational “guilt by proximity” argument to hate on Calipari. I would point out that Roy Williams has been found in violation of NCAA rules more often than John Calipari. Just for the record.
What is really funny to me are reading comments like this from rival fans that seem to be reasonable but which are actually logical fallacies, in this case the venerable “appeal to belief” fallacy.
To your second point, asking sport fans to prefer ranking their university higher academically than sports-wise is an absurd thing to do on its face. Obviously, the correct answer to you question is missing — “All of the above.” There is no real reason why they should be mutually exclusive, even if they are often perceived as being so.
Most Kentucky fans, like most Carolina fans, are not graduates of their respective favorite school. I doubt the majority in either case graduated from any college, and their primary interest in the respective universities is as fans of their sports teams, not of their ranking in the academic world.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 14, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lest we forget
If UK didn’t have the tradition we wouldn’t have gotten the coach. Looks like tradition trumps again.
by hoboat33 on Jul 14, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great point!!!
Calipari has mentioned many times that he dreamed of the opportunity to coach at UK.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jul 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are kidding, right?
What was the reason for UK having to offer the world’s biggest contract?
I guess it means on of two things 1) The tradition just isn’t there, or 2) Tood & Barnhart have to be two of the dumbest administrators in the USA.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 14, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The answer to your question is ...
… because he is worth the money.
For the record, it isn’t the “world’s biggest contract.” It isn’t even the SEC’s biggest contract. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 14, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru, I am dissapointed.
Hyperbole is commonly used to make a point. Sometimes you are waaaaaay too literal. :-)
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 15, 2009 12:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'll plead to that ...
… except really, was that necessary to make your point?
I suppose that’s a matter of taste, but you could have said “a huge contract” or “the biggest basketball contract ever at UK” and had the virtue of both accuracy and bombast.
Just sayin’ …
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 15, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: the contract
I think Madonna signed bigger contracts ;0
BTW – Cal said he would have take the job for less…..and Todd/Barnhart butts were on the line, but you won’t find me defending them.
by hoboat33 on Jul 15, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Option 2 has some
merit, but not the punch.
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on Jul 15, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoze, you cannot sit there and honestly tell me
that you believe that Calipari is NOT worth what he is being paid…..look at some of the coaching contracts around the country…..UK SHOULD be one of the highest paid, if not THE highest paid college bball coach in the country. I will be the first one to admit it, its a pressure cooker, and there ought to be extras in there for dealing with it daily. Calipari ought to get extra money for being so smooth in dealing with it. The man could teach a course in “how to win friends and influence people” and that my friend is one of the top priorities he has at UK.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 15, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I don’t think Calipari is worth to be UK’s coach. I think you’re right that he can write a book on how to influence ‘kids’. I don’t think he can write a book on how to win friends….at least not with his peers.
Of course, I could all be wrong as this occurs. He may run the cleanest program since Coach K….he may graduate all his recruits….he may divorce himself from WWW. But I doubt it.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 16, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now there you go
I say Tomato, you say plplplplplplplplplplplplplplplp…….let it go pal….you will feel better…..that’s why you cannot just enjoy it and have fun…..are you this active on ANY other site? Wouldnt you feel better among your own kind?? ( card fans)….lol….I have never seen someone put so much energy into being wrong before…..lol….it’s like an obsession with you…you might ought to seek some professional help with this one pal…..
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 16, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
hozeking belongs to one other blog site on SBNATION, not surprisingly it is the one dedicated to UofL. However , and this is a bit odd, he has made 1400+ comments on ASoB since becoming a member late last year and a grand total of ONE on Card Chronicle since joining earlier this year. What the hell is up with that???
by wldcatsfreak on Jul 16, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd suggest stop taking his bait
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jul 16, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now where would the fun be in that???.....lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 16, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right
but I just get tired of coming on this site where I respect the opinions of the overwhelming majority of members and this guy for some reason whats to constantly berate and attack.
It’s nice to log on and have 99% of those who post here be civil. It’s that one A-hole that after awhile kinda irritates….like poison ivy or a bug bite just out of reach on your back.
by wldcatsfreak on Jul 16, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bug bite
I thought the bug bite reference was funny and if you think about it, it’s really appropriate in this case, too.
Let’s take mosquitoes, for instance. Since they carry disease, prevention is probably the best step of all, but, if you do happen to get bitten and you scratch a mosquito bite, it only gets worse and takes ten times longer to disappear. If you leave it alone, it goes away rather quickly. : )
by BigSkyCat on Jul 16, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good way to look at it!!
One can only hope you are right. With that, I gracefully bow out of this thread.
by wldcatsfreak on Jul 16, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mosquitos
Are an integral part of the foodchain. It it wasn’t for mosquitos, the purple martins wouldn’t live. If the purple martins died, other animals such as wildcats may too become extinct. Just sayin’.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 16, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesnt mean a guy cant
swat one if he flies too close…….hehehe……dead mosquitos are food for other beings too…..lol……
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Purple martins, huh?
I wasn’t familiar with them, and I admit I had to look them up. I realize that Wikipedia is hardly the beginning and end all of knowledge, but nevertheless, with a quick wiki look-up this is what I found with regards to what the purple martins eat:
“Purple Martins are aerial insectivores, meaning that they catch insects from the air. The birds are agile hunters and eat a variety of winged insects. On occasion, they will come to the ground to eat insects. They usually fly relatively high, so, contrary to popular opinion, mosquitoes do not form a large part of their diet”
So see, mosquitoes really don’t have any redeeming qualities. Sorry. : )
by BigSkyCat on Jul 16, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...but what about dragonfly's that eat the larvae?
…and the bass that eat the dragonfly (I think)? Wouldn’t that leave a bunch of good ole boys down in Lake Cumberland and Kentucky Lake a little disappointed?
C’mon BSC, one needs to appreciate all of earth’s little creatures….even the wildcat, the smallest of all non-domesticated cats.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 16, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More for your reading pleasure.
You really need to avoid Wikipedia…
http://www.purplemartin.org/update/MosCont.html
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jul 16, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis offered him more to stay.
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by davw83 on Jul 14, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never liked Calipari and never will. Well, unless he has great success at UK, quits to coach in the NBA and fails miserably, and then ends up as UofL’s coach. Then I’d like him (this is where I’d put one of those smiley things if I didn’t hate them so much).
by don'tshootmei'macard on Jul 14, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Funny Man
I have a good friend who is a big Card fan and we have a great rivalry. He use to always totally dog Pitino saying how he destroyed the game with his style which he said was foul 20 times and get called for 10. I asked him what he thought when Coach P was hired at UL he said in a much quieter voice, I still don’t like him. If UL were to win a NCAA championship, it might get really silent. :-)
For the record, I have always like Denny Crum. And Pitino too.
by LyricSmith on Jul 14, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Very funny. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 15, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
History Lesson?
Did I really read (in so many words) on this post that history has passed? Of course it has. It is history. What one does today, if it is noteworthy, becomes written in the annals of history. Repeated and long history for an organization becomes tradition. How is someone selling the present have anything to do with the past? Coach Cal is selling the same thing that Coach Rupp sold, opportunity. Is Calipari a better coach for a pro hopeful than Gillispie, I would say (in my opinion) certainly. But while Coach Cal may have brought in Cousins, Wall, Bledsoe et. al. let us remember that other coaches brought in Orton and Hood and that they continue to want to play for the Blue! As does Patterson. It takes a good race horse AND a good jockey to win a race. Borel did not over-shadow Rachel Alexander, he just steered her to victory. I’ll take a storied history with a quality coach over either separately any day.
by LyricSmith on Jul 14, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm really bored with all this stuff.
When does the season start?
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
by oldcat'69 on Jul 14, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 4 Seasons Of UK Basketball
Pre-season.
Regular season.
Post-season.
Recruiting season.
We’re in the heart of the last season above.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jul 14, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Yeah, the season never ends, it just … rests. :-)
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 15, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well,
No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!
by oldcat'69 on Jul 15, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Good point oldcat
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