Kentucky Football: A Look Down the Schedule, Part 1 -- The Non-conference Opponents
While basketball is the bread and butter of all UK fans, there comes a time when we need to begin focusing a bit on football. Prognostications about the upcoming season have been all over the place, and understandably so when returning such an anemic offense, and losing several defensive stalwarts. But in spite of that, looks very much to be in the same position as they were last year, with perhaps just enough seasoning on the offensive side to perform better.
Today, we'll be taking a look at the non-conference schedule. For Kentucky, this is typically the "easy" part of the schedule, and deliberately so because the conference schedule is so brutally tough. Last year, UK had four non-conference opponents in a row before beginning the SEC schedule. This year, UK gets only two.
So let's have a look at the schedule, highlighting the non-conference teams:
| Date | Opponent | oConf |
| 9/5/09 | vs Miami (OH) | Mid-American |
| 9/12/09 | open | |
| 9/19/09 | Louisville | Big East |
| 9/26/09 | Florida | SEC |
| 10/3/09 | Alabama | SEC |
| 10/10/09 | at South Carolina | SEC |
| 10/17/09 | at Auburn | SEC |
| 10/24/09 | Louisiana-Monroe | Sun Belt |
| 10/31/09 | Mississippi State | SEC |
| 11/7/09 | Eastern Kentucky | Ohio Valley |
| 11/14/09 | at Vanderbilt | SEC |
| 11/21/09 | at Georgia | SEC |
| 11/28/09 | Tennessee | SEC |
So how does this OOC schedule compare to last year? It is somewhat more difficult, but once again we wind up with FCS Eastern Kentucky on the schedule, something that's sure to bring snorts of derision from Georgia and South Carolina fans, among others. Nevertheless, that's what we have.
Now, let's take a look at each of our out-of-conference opponents and see what they have to offer this year.
Miami (OH)
- Last year's record: 1-7 (Conf) 2-10 (overall)
- Last year's Strength of Schedule: 42.56
- Significant wins -- None. Miami managed to defeat only an FCS opponent and one conference opponent, Bowling Green, who was a .500 team both in conference and overall
- Likely outcome -- Miami is still in the rebuilding mode, and even though their non-conference slate is more forgiving than last year, it's hard to see them having a winning season in the MAC. The Miami defense was beyond weak later last season, and it would take a major breakdown for UK not to win this game going away.
Louisville
- Last year's record: 1-6 (Conf) 5-7 (overall)
- Las year's Strength of Schedule: 45.46
- Significant wins -- South Florida (8-5) at home.
- Likely outcome -- Louisville is hard to figure this year, but they have problems on paper. A new quarterback, a new defensive coordinator and some significant losses on the offensive line could hurt them, although the line does have experienced backups moving into starting spots. The linebacking corps, a major concern at the beginning of last year turned out OK, and they are back intact. Victor Anderson is a capable tailback, and Doug Beaumont and Josh Chichester return at wideout.
UK gets Louisville in Commonwealth Stadium, and although this one is far from a lock, UK looks to be in solid shape to take the third game in a row for the Cardinals, probably sealing Kragthorpe's fate in the process.
Louisiana-Monroe
- Last year's record: 3-4 (Conf) 4-8 (overall)
- Last year's Strength of Schedule: 36.19
- Significant wins -- Troy. The Trojans are perennially the best team in the Sun Belt, and Louisiana-Monroe managed to beat them at home last year.
- Likely outcome -- The Warhawks figure to be better than they were last year if first-year starting quarterback Trey Revel is able to deliver on some of his promise. ULM should have a solid running attack and a very good secondary, while their defensive line is suspect, and their passing attack is an unknown.
UK should be able to handle the Warkhawks, but they are capable of giving UK some trouble if Kentucky does not prepare well or is beat up after their two-game road swing through South Carolina and Auburn. This is a bit of a danger game for UK for that reason.
Eastern Kentucky
- Last year's record: 7-1 (Conf) 8-4 (overall)
- Last year's Strength of Schedule: 25.95
- Significant wins -- EKU had two wins over FCS teams with a winning record last year.
- Eastern is not a bad FCS team, but they are unlikely to beat Kentucky in Commonwealth Stadium. Western, whom Kentucky beat last year and who only manage two wins, defeated Eastern easily 37-13. The only other FBS school they played also handed them a lopsided loss. Anything other than a 20+ point win by UK would be considered a major upset.
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But that would be no fun or responsive, so:
1) The fact that the non-conerence is interspersed alone makes the schedule a bit more interesting.
2) ULM coming after UK has faced the rigors of 4 — 2 versus title contenders — SEC games makes the game more adventurous.
3) I would speculate that the UK-UL game will be more competitive than last season.
4) Should UK not go 4-0 non-conference the hopes for a 4th consecutive bowl will be extinguished.
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by Wild Weasel on Jul 11, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I also like the spacing of the non-cons
The team will likely need as many “easy” games as possible through the rigors of the SEC games. I wouldn’t mind if Brookips mingle these games more into the middle of the season in the years to come. A non-con game every third game might help with recovering after SEC battles and take away some of the trap game feeling of the non-cons.
(Thanks Ken Tru for starting to get us in the football mode, I feel positive about this season – if we can function at quarterback)
by hoboat33 on Jul 11, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, you dissin' me? :)
Just kidding.
I’ll have aplenty of f-ball posts to come, I promise.
by Ken Howlett on Jul 12, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… if failing to go 4-0 NC means that our bowl hopes will be extinguished, it just indicates that we are nothing more than a paper tiger and making no progress at all toward becoming even a middle of the road team in the SEC.
I reject such talk, but to be honest, that doesn’t make it incorrect. If we can’t win 3 or more games in the SEC this year, I would argue that this season will be a huge disappointment regardless of what happens in the non-conference section of the schedule.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 12, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'M A BIT MORE UPBEAT
We have a tough schedule. However, don’t despair. Auburn and S.C. are beatable this year with a slightly better Defensive effort in the first quarter of every game and a little more offensive ummph. Auburn’s O will be shut down. The trick will be to put a few points on the board against their D. Same is true of Vandy. Their pass threat went on to the NFL. S.C. can be beat. I sense it. Their D was electric last year. Our turnovers killed our excellent effort. No turn overs and we win. If the receiving corp steps up and catches, the running game becomes a real option. Tennessee is in a rebuilding mode. We can beat them with a little offense. They have virtually no O themselves. Pressure on the QB and a few Cobb receptions will change the whole complexion of the SEC. I can’t speak to the other teams. I just don’t believe we will be slammed by every SEC team we meet. LMU is a real threat. EKU is not. I doubt the Ville will do better under Krag. OU Miami is also little threat. Thus, we have a fighting chance at 7 wins and better than even chance at 8 wins. If Newton steps up as a frosh in the later half of the season there is no telling how good we could get.
by tbd4567 on Jul 23, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since the twelveth game has been added to the schedule, the Cats are 9-0 against the non conference teams not counting Louisville
I read in Rivals that Miami of Ohio is #114 and Louisiana-Monroe is #111 in the 120 teams they ranked. Of course, Eastern isn’t in the major college division but they’d be right there I suspect.
Other rankings in Rivals show the Cats at #44. Not bad, and we should feel good that opponents didn’t fair as well. Lousville comes in at #71, Auburn at #52 and Vanderbilt at #61. Mississippi State is #76.
South Carolina is #34 and the Vols are #41.. Hey, they’re allowed a couple of mistakes in ranking 120 teams, right?
Florida is ranked #1 and Alabama comes in at #5.
SO, if everything goes to plan, we’re better than seven teams on our schedule and that means another bowl.
by TheParisGuy on Jul 12, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's true ...
… and we are close enough to others (UT and USC) to possibly pull upsets there.
I will be bitterly disappointed if UK doesn’t win at least 3 SEC games this year. I will be unhappy if they win less than four. Enough of this 2-win crap in conference. If we are no better than that, the argument that we don’t deserve a bowl game is hard to refute. Cobbling together six wins out of an FCS team, 2 weak and one mediocre NC FBS teams, and two SEC wins as a path to a bowl is a fair strategy when we were rebuilding, but it’s time now that we show some real progress to being competitive in the SEC. UT and Auburn will be weaker than normal — one of those two games needs to be a victory.
We need to beat Vanderbilt and Mississippi State and find a way to break UT’s streak, and pull an upset elsewhere.
Will I take another 5+ Bowl game? Yeah, but not gladly.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 12, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GEORGIA
I forgot Georgia.. They say #15 but we all know its more of a toss up the way we play them tough. We play them at Georgia, their last conference game of the season and probably will be worn out from playing seven previously. Georgai Tech is their final game so a fair chance they won’t be up for the Cats.
What ever happens we still should win three in the conference and everyone will see we’re moving forward.
Let’s hope it goes at least this good.
by TheParisGuy on Jul 12, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another ...
… real good point. UK is a trap game for Georgia this year, and we need to stick it to the Red and Black. But beating them between the hedges is a very, very tough task for this young team, and we will likely be beaten up ourselves.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 12, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quarterback
If the Q-back situation developes early enough,I think Tru is going to be fairly happy. If not, a lot of people are going to be looking for rocks to throw. I believe we are on the cusp of mediocrity and are headed toward several good years. The improvement in our depth and speed has made us so much more competitive. I am ready for an 8 win season. Will take 7 though.
"SPORTS"--Not interested----"CATS"--Pull up a chair,I've got all night.
by kydamcat on Jul 12, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK ,So we toughen up the OOC schedule,
and what does it get us????……absolutely nothing unless we are at the level that we beat the Tennessee’s, and Georgia’s, and Florida’s and Alabama’s of this world. Until we beat 2 of those 4 every year, we cannot afford to go off the deep end with the non conf opponents. We truly only have 4 locks on this schedule. And that is only because of Louisville’s recent downward spiral. Auburn, S.Carolina, Miss State, and Vandy are all a crapshoot every year, and offer very little in terms of reward if we win. The experts will say if you beat those teams, you should have beaten them, and if you dont, you arent up to par. Florida and Bama offer the greatest rewards to us simply because when you beat one of them, you beat the best.
If we get 8 wins out of this schedule, then its time to dump the non bcs teams. If not, it’s back to the drawing board, because we aint there yet. Rich knows the bowl appearances are doing this program a lot of good in the eyes of the media, the new contract with ESPN puts the Cats in every sports bar in the country, as well as most living rooms. It is time to step up folks. This is where we can make our move into the next level. This program has the capability to be a Top 30 program.
I hope I am wrong, but it looks like 6-6 again this year, with the most remote possibility of being 8-4. Anything better than that and Coach Brooks gets his bronze statue that Paris Guy mentioned a while back.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 13, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute ...
… I called for this “toughening up” merely by replacing an FCS team with an FBS team. That FBS team doesn’t have to be Ohio State or the left-coast USC, for heaven’s sake. We could schedule another mid-major like Bowling Green or even Western Kentucky. So I don’t get your complaint there. UK shouldn’t be playing FCS teams, in my opinion. Tennessee has never fallen into this silly trap, and I think we should be the next school to refuse to do it.
We don’t really have any “locks” on this schedule past perhaps EKU and Miami. Louisiana-Monroe could upset us if their QB works out, and Louisville is certainly good enough to beat us, even if we are a significantly stronger team on paper. We aren’t a lock to beat anyone in the SEC, not even Vanderbilt. It is possible UK could win only 3 games this season if everything breaks against us.
I would not advocate dropping the non-BCS teams. There are two reasons for this — UK is not, and probably never will be absent a shocking change in the composition of the SEC, in a position to challenge for the national title or even the SEC title. We need to keep scheduling mid-majors for most of our NC games to ensure a decent shot at a bowl, at least until we prove that we can consistently win more than 2 games in the SEC. We could perhaps replace one with a BCS school, but going “all BCS” is asking too much of this program in in my opinion. We are never going to be Florida, or Georgia, or Alabama, or even Auburn. That is reality.
On the other hand, scheduling FCS opponents makes us look bad. It makes the whole SEC look bad, and I expect most SEC schools to stop doing it as soon as next year. We just need to face that reality.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I am not complaining
I dont think we are ready to move past the non-bcs scheduling yet myself. But if we can show consistently putting up 8-9 wins in a season, then we need to make the move to the next level. If the progression of things in the remaking of this team is to get them to a SEC champ level, ( which I was under the impression that that would be the goal) then we have to keep inching our way forward. And I say inching because I too agree that I dont think that the goal is attainable, however we have some out there that believe we can. I am all for it. Just dont think it is reasonable.
I gave credit for the 4 “locks” simply because I am trying to see this through Coach Brooks’ eyes. He HAS to make this schedule every year with the approach that he can get at least 6 wins. 4 of those USUALLY come from the non-conf schedule.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 13, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not too sure we have anything to explain to Bulldogs fans considering Tennessee Tech is on their schedule this year and yes that is the same OVC team that lost to EKU by about 20 points last year.
As to USC fans perhaps the inclusion of Florida Atlantic is enough to remind them to keep their beaks shut.
The SEC is the SEC and I don’t really think any members have to explain soft non-conference opponents.
by RoyalDBridge on Jul 13, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah ...
… I failed to notice TT on Georgia’s schedule this year. Good point.
I do expect pressure from the league’s head office to force most FCS teams out of the SEC schedules in the next couple of years, though.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I would mind that pressure really. There are plenty of FBS options that aren’t grinders and there is always the “wisdom” that says a tough non-conference schedule can better put you in a position to stand up to the big guns of the SEC. (Although with an off-date this early in the season maybe creampuffs are a better option for the immediate future.)
by RoyalDBridge on Jul 13, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A 'Telling' Season
I think this year will be a telling season. With the new coaches coming into the conference and with us playing all three of their teams, it will show whether we are worthy of competing against them. You can’t establish a program, put in new offenses, defenses and basically all new coaches in less than a year and expect immediate benefits. Apparently the athletic directors at Tennessee, Auburn and Mississippi State sought ‘new blood’ when they went outside their staffs from last season to find a new coach. No one was appointed from within.
With Kentucky’s coaching staff and its longivity, they should be established and ready to compete. We debate the benefits of the bowls, the extra practice and the exposure and if all this is true, why shouldn’t the Cats have the upper hand on Tennessee, Auburn and Mississippi State?
Those recruited following the bowl win in 2006 will now be juniors or red shirt sophmores, in the system and ready to show their worth.
I, and its my opinion alone, think there is more to be exposed this year than in any past seasons for Brooks. Six seasons to have put his trademark on the program. It will be his and his coaches chance to show if we’ve progressed or are still treading water.
by TheParisGuy on Jul 13, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen......I just hope you
are right about having the upper hand on those teams. I am afraid though that our biggest weakness this year is what we are giving credit for being improved, and that’s our QB. Hartline is a great kid, and he is smart, so I hope those two things overcome the natural abilities he lacks.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe i am just a long suffering uk football fan,
but i am more worried about this year than any in recent memory.
its not that i believe we have less talent, but its just that after 3 straight bowl games, you do believe that 3 SEC wins should be a minimum if in fact you are making progress.
if we do not make a bowl, you have to wonder what type of recruiting momentum UK can maintain to support the great class that is coming in this year.
only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team
by memphis wildcat on Jul 13, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of that has to be
at the forefront of Coach Brooks’ mind when he looks at this year. You know he has made a big gamble putting all of his chips on Hartline with the kind of arms he has on the bench and elsewhere on the field. I will go with him on this because he has shown in the past that he can get kids to perform. If Hartline ends up being the answer at QB, then I would expect our fortunes to be looking upward, because I honestly believe this is the single biggest question mark we have going into the season.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was supposed to be Pulley
If he hadn’t been a knucklehead, last season we kick ass and this season doesn’t look so scary.
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on Jul 15, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK Is, Was, And Will Be A Basketball School
Accept that as fact and everything else progresses from there. Florida, Georgia and Tennessee (Bruce Pearl not withstanding) in the SEC East are predominantly football schools; to a lesser extent so is USC. Vandy is, well, Vandy. The same is true of all the SEC West teams. Until such time UK — fans and administration — emphasizes football to the same extent as does its competitors relative mediocrity will be the extent of its accomplishment.
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by Wild Weasel on Jul 13, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's probably right.
If UK ever becomes a true middle of the road SEC team, I would consider it a major success.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
News Alert!!
UK looks to be in solid shape to take the third game in a row for the Cardinals, probably sealing Kragthorpe’s fate in the process.
UofL’s assessment of their programs’ coaches and performances does not revolve around UK. I doubt that UK’s performance wouldn’t be judged on any one opponent either. Please…get over yourself.
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by HozeKing on Jul 13, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious
Seriously, if you don’t think that UK beating U of L matters to Kragthorpe’s career, especially now, I’m going to be forced to accuse you of being clue-challenged in a major way.
Rivalry games matter, a lot — particularly in football where the meaning of single games is greatly exacerbated due to the relative paucity of them. Losing three in a row to any rival is going to get you drubbed by the fans and, given Kragthorpe’s failure to meet fan expectations so far will put tremendous pressure on Jurich to replace him.
And why, may I ask, should I “get over myself?” It’s just an opinion. I’m not bashing the Cardinals, and I actually think that Kragthorpe is a good guy (although I’m not convinced he is a particularly good coach). I just happen to believe that Jurich will be under intense pressure to change if Kragthorpe loses again to UK, and I don’t think he can fend off the peasants with pitchforks if that happens, unless the Cardinals some serious noise in the Big East, which I also consider unlikely.
But I could be wrong, and frankly, don’t care if I am. I detested Bobby Petrino (and still do), but I actually liked Howard Schnellenberger (and still do) as well as John L. Smith when they were here.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 13, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we agree on that...
…in regards to Petrino. So, I am assuming that if UofL goes undefeated in the Big East, goes to a BCS bowl and wins….but loses to UK, then Kragthorpe is out. I agree that is unlikely and you CYA in your comments, so it seems like you are writing on both sides of the keyboard.
So I think it is accurate to say that UK is one of the coins on the tipping scale….not necessarily the biggest or heaviest coin. To make my point clearer, I don’t think he will automatically save his job if UK is the only win in the season either.
So in closing to think that either a UK football coach or a UofL football coach’s ‘life’ hangs in the balance of one game, you are mistaken. This isn’t Auburn or Alambama……and thank God for that.
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by HozeKing on Jul 13, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my point, since you obviously can't figure it out.
Assuming Louisville has a mediocre season as many expect, losing again to UK will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.
Capiche? I don’t care if you agree or not. That’s how I see it.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jul 14, 2009 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree.
To my point that UofL’s assessment of their coaches doesn’t revolve around UK. There.
The difference between you and me is that I am not so self-centered (as a fan) to think UK is based on UofL’s performance either. Call me fair and balanced.
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by HozeKing on Jul 14, 2009 7:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
LOL fair and balanced!!!! HAHAHAHAH
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by davw83 on Jul 14, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truthfully Hoze
from everything I have read this year from both pro and con UL sites, it appears as though the Cards may be lucky to get 3-4 wins this year even with a victory over UK, which most experts agree is no small feat for UL this year. You guys had a real good run for a while, but the momentum seems to have been lost…..I hate to say it but some experts are even picking a major slide for Bball as well. One site even has them outside the Big East title hunt. I know its hard to hear, because we have been hearing it for the past couple of years, but dont discount Kragthorpe being on the hot seat with a third loss to UK…..big time. straitpinkie.com gave Kragthorpe a less then 30% chance of staying if he does not get at least 4 wins and beats UK. I know it is all speculation at this point, but you have to admit it is more than a slight possibility.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jul 13, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Early losses to rivals hurt
I dont know that it’s UK being a rival as much as a strong OOC opponent early in the season. I havent looked at UL’s schedule but I would think that a loss to UK wouldnt bode well for the Cards Big East chances and would set a negative tone for the season. While I wouldnt necessarilly think it would be the nail in K’s coffin I think it would have a more dramatic effect than you like to pretend it would.
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by davw83 on Jul 13, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I never wrote a loss would be GOOD.
Based on your post it looks like we agree.
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by HozeKing on Jul 14, 2009 8:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

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