The Big Blue Daily Mail -- News for Kentucky Wildcat Fans, June 6th 2009
by Glenn Logan on Jun 6, 2009 12:23 PM EDT
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PrintToday, we will talk about Joe Bolgna's. Specifically, we will be talking about the galactically stupid NCAA secondary violation created by Joe Bologna, knowingly.
You know, I love restaurants, and by all accounts, Joe Bologna's is a very good restaurant. I have personally never been there, but I hear good things about it. I had hoped to go there one day, but after this latest stupidity, I will not be showing up there for the next three years in honor of UK's dissociation. It's bad enough that we have to listen to all the criticisms of Coach Calipari with respect to the allegations going on at Memphis, and all this new kerfuffle over Calipari taking other players, like Robert Dozier and Doneal Mack, who have had questions about their test scores (even if there appears to be no substantive allegations of actual impropriety by Calipari or Memphis) without having to watch the justifiable sniggering of rivals and detractors at the foolishness of a legendary Lexington eatery. Say it ain't so, Joe -- Oops, too late.
Regarding the most recent dust-ups, do I personally believe Dozier cheated on his SAT? Absolutely. There is no way, in my opinion, that somebody has a discrepancy that wide without some kind of problem, I mean, we are talking about a 43% change here. Compare that to Doneal Mack's 22% discrepancy, and you can see why I feel a lot more certain that Dozier did not take the test turned in under his name 10% is believable, 22% is marginal, but 43% is ... well, evidence. Is it proof? No, but it is very strong evidence in the Dozier case, not to mention that someone anonymously alerted Georgia that Dozier was involved in some funny business. Taken together, the facts are surely sufficient to conclude a high probability of impropriety.
Dozier redeemed himself to a great degree, in my mind, by prepping, getting offered a scholarship and graduating from college. But there is very little reasonable doubt, at least in my opinion, that he did not cheat on his original SAT, and he will have to contend with the justifiable doubts about his honesty that come with his apparent unethical actions. Obviously if Memphis or Calipari were in any way knowledgeable or complicit in the apparent Dozier cheating, there should be very serious consequences for both.
So the question becomes, what objectionable activity did Memphis engage in, and by extension, Coach Calipari? As far as I can see so far, none. The time-line in both cases essentially precludes any nefarious involvement by either Memphis or Calipari, but the fact that there have been three cases of alleged academic irregularities against Memphis players recruited by Coach Cal along with the UMass problem with Marcus Camby makes it easy for opinion writers, especially ones predisposed to find Calipari "slick," to point to all this as evidence of wrongdoing. This despite the factual reality that would have made it highly improbable (if not downright impossible) for Memphis or Calipari to be involved, not to mention the NCAA being convinced Calipari was not culpable in either of the cases they have investigated.
In the end, I have absolute confidence in UK's compliance staff, and I believe John Calipari is committed to strict compliance with NCAA rules and regulations. For me, that is sufficient. For others, it may not be. When it's all said and done, assuming no real evidence of culpability by Calipari, his staff or Memphis comes up, the naysayers will eventually crawl back into their dark caverns of self-righteous Cal-loathing, and UK fans will cheer the coming of a new and likely prosperous era of Kentucky basketball. Could I be wrong about all this and Calipari be a direct pipeline to another dark period in UK history? Sure.
But I don't think I am. Call me Tru, the Whatmeworry. Wake me up when we have something other than "guilt by association."
UK Basketball News
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Cal: What Committee on Infractions hearing?
Jerry Tipton notes that John Calipari has not tweeted on the NCAA hearing he will be attending by teleconference. Why is this surprising, especially after Calipari said he would have no further comment on the matter? -
More guilt by association.
Embrace the hate. -
Will Barton update: not scared of Memphis "that is more of a Coach Calipari thing"
Heh. Is Memphis trying to bag Coach Cal? -
Memphis Adds Bartons to Recruiting Haul
Looks like we lost the Bartons, if this is right. Bummer. -
Walking in Memphis on eggshells
Money Players defends John Calipari and Memphis -- sort of. -
Memphis basketball hearing begins
Jerry Tipton explains the hearing process and reports that media interest is low. That's not really surprising -- it's the opinion writers that care, and facts all too often just get in their way. -
Memphis officials to meet with NCAA panel
Jody Demling reports the facts, and nothing but the facts. -
Memphis basketball teaches the wrong lesson
A genuinely thoughtful editorial that refrains from pointing fingers at schools or coaches, and recognizes the problem for what it is. What I wouldn't give to see more opinion writers address reality instead of their own morbid fantasies. -
Former Tigers React to SAT Scandal
Pretty much speaks for itself. The mediagasm continues.
UK Football News
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Former UK Star Jarmon To Try NFL Supplemental Draft
Good luck to Jeremy Jarmon. He may well get drafted.
Other UK Sports News
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Palmer Resigns at UK, Accepts Position at Virginia
Virginia is Palmer's alma mater. Congratulations to her, we will miss her.
NCAA Sports News
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Dawg Sports has some hilarity in SEC coaching.
Definitely worth a read. -
Age limit rationale: 18-year-olds are immature, 19-year-olds not
A thoughtful piece by Eamonn Brennan. We do need to admit that there are some players who just don't belong in college. Most of the top five of this year's recruiting class is arguably among them. We might as well face it -- the players don't want to be in college. It is the colleges and the NBA that want them there, for purely financial reasons. Welcome to the new reality, when money easily trumps the best interests of young people we pretend to care about. Maturity has absolutely nothing to do with it. -
NWAnews.com says bring back freshman ineligibility.
Never going to happen. I'm not saying it is a bad idea -- in fact, it is probably a good idea. But money will win out in the end. College basketball, and universities in general, are businesses more than ever. Don't expect that to change. I'm not passing judgment, just looking at reality.
Other News of Interest
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The Daily Schadenfreude
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The Tomb of Doom: Memphis Beats Kentucky!
Heh. Schadenfreude from a Memphis fan. -
"It could be easy for one to ask how Memphis said yes after Georgia said no."
It would be a pretty easy answer, too -- because Dozier went to prep school and met the initial eligibility requirements. He was fully qualified to be admitted to Memphis. The only reasonable justification for not admitting him was the likelihood of the moral turpitude that the SAT discrepancy represented.
But when schools all over the country admit athletes with minor criminal records, are we actually saying that possible (but unproven) cheating on a test score is a greater evil? Maybe so, and maybe it is. But neither Memphis nor Calipari apparently thought so, for whatever that's worth.
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Stupid Joe.....
i really felt bad for Joe, until he admitted that he knew better. Bad, yes. Admirable, yes that too. At least he did admit it. Knowing better is the unwanted sin against UK, or the NCAA I guess. I am glad this came out, at least for one reason. That being, our compliance department is staying ahead of things. Good position. I agree with you Tru…
In the end, I have absolute confidence in UK’s compliance staff, and I believe John Calipari is committed to strict compliance with NCAA rules and regulations. For me, that is sufficient. For others, it may not be.We have to have faith in the ones in charge. Let us be the supporters who also want the program to win, for all the right reasons. Because, we know that we can win and be totally compliant in doing so. I hope there isn’t anyone who wants to win by cheating. Do you really want it that bad ?
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
Whatmeworry?
Although there are a couple of UK fans on this board who have been quite outspoken and are incredibly worried about the direction of the program given all the recent rather unflattering media attention (and they are certainly within their right to be concerned), but as evidenced by what seems to me to be the majority of UK fans (at least on this board) it’s actually the lack of comments by a bunch of different members that tells me that the bulk of us might share the Neuman ideal. And actually, I think the fact that so few ASOB members (and again, forgive me, I don’t really frequent other UK sites so this is the sample size I am basing my opinion on) are so NOT worried and so NOT publically outspoken about the direction of the program at this current time and the way we are possibly perceived by the media, rival fans, etc. — that they didn’t bother using their valuable time to comment on it.
Am I way off base and making ridiculous assumptions based on peoples’ silence and non-posts? It’s quite possible. All is know for sure is that it is June 6th, it’s like 45 degrees here, I am wearing a freaking sweater to keep warm, my kids are playing outside in their winter coats and I’m definitely going stir-crazy in the house. It’s funny, usually in weather such as this, it’s time to start preparing for the UK basketball game that will be on tonight, but unfortunately, it’s not that time of year yet, is it? : )
Rome is burning
This is a big deal. Like it or not, lexington looks bad for this and the sat issues, this is only getting worse. NCAA isn’t going to stop looking. What does of take to acknowledge there is a problem?
Good morning, daniel. : )
First of all, I have never acknowledged that there might not be a problem, so let’s get that straight. Personally, I am not a fan of absolute blanket statements of any kind and you will rarely, if ever, hear (or read) me make them. Given what I have read and what my brain has been able to process thus far, my position right now concerning the recent troubles is one of the "wait and see" approach and I am not publically rushing to judgment or to the indictment of anyone.
When I am super passionate about something, believe me, you will know it as I will spend countless hours debating my position and standing up for what I believe is right, but as it stands right now, I don’t feel that way about this issue. In the grand scheme of my life right now, this is not center stage and that is why I haven’t devoted a lot of my time commenting on it.
I happen to enjoy most of your input here, but, frankly, my dear, you are worrying enough for the both of us about this and insulting people left and right in the process. I just know you have manners, don’t let this issue make you forget them. Later……… : )
Signifying Nothing
As usual The Bard was apt and ahead of his time (in this instance about 400 years) in capturing the asininity of men. Quoth Macbeth:
She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
I choose to give the idiots and poor players — and there seems to be an unlimited supply — their time upon the current stage and reserve comment until there is something signifying something.
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
Yeah, and those who continually gripe
about it instead of getting involved usually end up missing out on any of the fun along the way
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You know
You are right. I made a 15 on an act in the seventh grade as part of honors. Maybe I can help out. One or two more of these cases come to light and it’s time to cut ties while we still can
It's also strange because
everyone at UK knew that players always at Joe Bologna’s for free (at least while I was there), and it was never an issue.
Don't think that I will dissociate myself from Joe B's for this.
However, since I live a three hour drive from Lexington, he would not notice my lose of business if I don’t get back there for 3 more years, which may simply happen due to not being in Lexington much anymore. So maybe I will join you in the dissociation.
Say it ain't so, Joe ...
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Mr. Bologna’s mindset is exactly what got UK in hot water in the ’70’s and 80’s with the innumerable $100 handshakes, and other “unearned income” given to Wildcat players. And it’s the exact reason RPitino distanced boosters from players, which is still practiced today.
Unscrupulous behavior passed off as “Aw shucks, I just love them players. I didn’t think anyone would notice …” bullsh-t is all too common among the “I want to feel a part of something bigger than myself” group, of which there are plenty.
A three year banishment? How about 300 years?!
This man was not malicious in this act Ken
I’ll give you stupid, but not malicious. The man has a true love for the program and the kids that had visited his establishment. He has done the same thing for regular folks from time to time. He has been a fixture in the community and is well liked and respected by anyone I have ever met that knows him. Dont take this personally. That “I want to feel like I am a part of something bigger than myself group” is pretty big. It even includes a few people on this blog.
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He's a teenager
That still wants to be popular. Like most frat boys, he still thinks money buys friends
Thats uncalled for
and he is not a frat boy……a nice guy that genuinely does nice things for people sometimes. Not everyone is trying to undermine your life Daniel. If the heat is too hot for you I hear they are recruiting ex-cat fans over in Louisville.
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Petty
You dont even know this guy and have no knowledge with which to base your opinion of him. Your losing credibility.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
He broke the rules
You are losing credibility because apparently any violation is fine, it’s just our imagination
You ever met Joe, Daniel?
What happened, he NOT comp a meal for you?…..the man made a mistake….he admitted it ….he is paying for it….let it go….unless you think this is something Calipari did too? Ill bet he called from Memphis and got Joe to do this just so there would be even more nonsense for you to gripe about.
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Hey guys
This happened from 2004 – 2008 as Sandy Bell reported. Evidently she got word of it from someone in the athletic department and immediately went to work. I hope she is as good on major violations as she was with these secondary.
I don’t know Mr. Joe B. and have never eaten at his establishment. Good gosh he is 64 years of age. I know he probably thought it was ok in giving free meals, but he then admitted he knew it was wrong. Sandy did right in self-reporting these violations.
Stay on top of everything Sandy.
I freely admit he broke the rules
but your comments regarding him are over the top
He’s a teenager That still wants to be popular. Like most frat boys, he still thinks money buys
You add a lot to the discussion sometime but other times you can are judgmental and make statement that are petty and childish like this one.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
As a former frat boy...
I resemble that comment.
Don’t be an ass Chicken Little.
Money may not have bought friends but it helped with the chicks and the parties so it is all good.
Considering I am making a 7 hour drive to Alabama on Monday night to bury a pledge brother Tuesday morning, I suggest you keep your commments on task and don’t just randomly run your mouth.
Or?
I am actually impressed, usually there has to be five frat boys together before one will say anything. Point was relevant, many with money use that to be part of something they could otherwise never get without it. For bolgna pony, it was acknowledgment from I’m players. For you it was girls and parties, to each his own I guess.
Wait...
You mean people with money use it to get what they want…what a shock!
My point is all you do is come on here and spew your garbage and attack people for no reason. I think I may have met my first asob troll. Nothing else makes sense.
Frat boys?? Really, thats what you have? It didn’t even have context in the conversation and Joe B wasn’t in any GLO as far as know so it really is another example of you stirring the pot for no reason.
I admit my panties are in a bunch because of what I have to do Tuesday but don’t believe the media hype, we aren’t all drunken Animal House losers.
Sorry for your loss
Seriously. My judgmental attitude on the subject comes from experience but I do not know you so it’s unfair of me to paint you with that brush.
Appreciate it...
I had my Internet Tough Guy moment for the month : ) You do have a tendancy to act like the sky is falling but if it turns out you are correct aI will come back and sing your praises.
Re: ALLBLU
I never stated that his mistake was malicious.
I’ve eaten in his restaurant several times over the years, and I’m familiar with his community icon status, but that does not excuse his behavior. He knew full well that what he was doing was against NCAA regulations, yet he continued the practice for at least five years.
My point is clearly stated above — This is inexcusable, just as inexcusable as the misdeeds perpetrated by the dolts who were giving out the green like candy 25-30 years ago.
The fact that he at first lied to Sandy Bell about his actions only worsens his sin.
“Don’t take this personally” — He’s screwing around with UK athletic program. I take that very seriously.
Let me add:
I think it’s admirable that you are sticking up for someone you obviously know.
Although his UK access has been cut off, I’m sure he will bounce back from this rather quickly and painlessly.
He will, and I really believe that the last thing
he would have wanted was to hurt this program. He will be more upset about that than anything. The business aspect never entered into his mind, I guarantee that. If it makes everyone more aware then, that will be something to take from it. At one time there were more than a dozen places around town where the kids could get a free meal now and then. None of them would want to see the program hurt. Some people hang on to the old ways too long.
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Agree Stupid
I mean with all the negative publicity .. this is kind of a no brainer. I hope this will heighten everyone’s sensitivities such that people start to somehow see the potential damage they can do to the program .. and maybe use some common sense. We have achance to be part of the NC this year … let’s not blow it before the ship leaves port …
Meeks
Chad Ford has an Insider article on ESPN that lists the invitees to the big workout June 12-14 in New Jersey. Jodie is not on the list and not mentioned in the article. Calathes is invited.
Secondary
This is secondary violation stuff. Usually easily dealt with. Ifeel for mr. Bologna, but he is taking his medicine like a man. He isn’t blaming anyone, it was all his own fault. It isn’t the unforgiveable sin. The man made a mistake, and I always tell people that the biggest thing to remember about mistakes is that they are just something made to be corrected. The mistakes that one needs to concern themselves with is the ones they don’t correct. that’s when molehills become mountains.
I’d like to know about Meeks! where do you go to check on the latest updates? Man, I hope he comes back. We need you Jodie!!!! Come back to us Jodie!!!! We’ll give you a bologna sandwiche!
Food for thought: The virgin birth has much more to do with the absense of a natural earthly father then the use of a virgin mother. Now, chew.....Because, it's called a "corrupt seed", not a "corrupt egg"!
What is really stupid is that
there is no provision to allow the university to set up programs so that the athletes can go to a place like that and eat as a guest of the owner.This is the kind of crap that makes me furious….what is the big deal about a guy at a restaurant buying the kids a meal to show his appreciation. Tell me why on earth the NCAA cannot get a program set up with the university and simply keep a record of what a person does for the program. I have the utmost respect for Joe, and will tell him so the next time I am in to enjoy his restaurant. I know what he did was wrong…..I just dont know why no one has addressed a way to make it acceptable for this kind of thing inside the system. More evidence that the NCAA is using 19th century thinking to run a 21st century sport. This can be dont without the $100 handshakes and cars and gold chains and improprieties. I want to see this addressed. It wont be, but I wish they would.
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If they give you one will you stop whining about it???
are you just mad at the world….no wife to gripe at so you use the internet….your mother not pay attention to you as a child….or are you just one miserable human being….Maybe you and Hoze should get together and go bowling?
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No wife?
Dude that was lame. The same poster who touted just Friday how he doesn’t get personal. No dear I am not married, but don’t you worry, if I get lonely I could always get yours to take me to joe bolognas for a little five finger discount.
Ill have a chat with her
she’s slipping if you are the best she can do lately
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Careful, Careful
It appears, ALLBLUCAT, that you’re about to let the pious ramblings of daniel81 to provoke you into an area of recklessness. Allowing something on the order you suggest won’t work for one simple reason: the propensity of humanity to stretch limits from the reasonable to the criminal; pizza today, excess Chryslers tomorrow.
As for daniel81:
I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all those censorious, self-righteous people around me.
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
No man
All I am saying is it doesn’t look good. It’s been a damning week- violations, made up sat scores…try slicing his tee shots cos he’s not keeping his left sholder square. Maybe all will be well and I am being paranoid. Anyways I am going to hug my mom or Adam rosales or something, have a good weekend.
Cliff Hagan's Ribeye And Jerry's Restaurants
Cats never paid for meals at either place in the 1970’s.
I know because my sister ate some of those meals.
Free clothes
were provided by Graves Cox in the ’50s. Football players were on the payrolls of factories too.
point of view
Offering no names, I think it is more than interesting that we offer our opinions here on many trivial and important issues. Forgive me…perhaps none of this is really triviail. One of the signatures says give a man a mask…etc…and the lack of identity this manner of communication offers is the ultimate mask and allows the freedom to perhaps be even more than one is when a face or name is attached to a comment. Most of us enjoy the community this page seems to be and to have a place to share with like-minded fans our pleasure and frustrations in a team we follow. We offer well founded opinions. We offer links we think might add information that others did not see. We complain about many things. We gossip. Our patterns are present in all that we type.
Some however seem to just critique the comments of others. Some have little positive and much negative to offer. Some take pleasure it seems to me in taking others to task for “rules” that are totally black and white. While freedom of expressioon certainly belongs to all, those who have these rigid positions miss the point of the game and this blog. Wonder how that someone acts at a ballgame? Who might enjoying watching a game with such a someone? Even better, wonder who someone calls after a game? Wonder if someone ever gets a call during a game to make sure he saw that last play? Last, wonder what happens when that someone puts on wIhatever shirt he wears for the game? Do you imagine that someone feels what most of us do? Sadly, I think not. Someone seems to be missing the whole point.
I think it was Blake who thought “o…the gift that God could give us to see ourselves as others see us”. better read in the original.
So what's the point?
Everything is fine as long as we can still play? If your knowledge of basketball is similar to your knowledge of morals, then I bet you stay on the phone all game- trying to figure out what everything means. P.S. If you are going to try and insult me come up with something better than a popularity attack, unlike joe bologna I’m not desperate for acceptance.
Do you really believe all of this bile that you spew,
or do you just love sitting back and waiting for the next hateful response?…..If you really are that miserable, I feel for you. And by the way, Joe isnt desperate for anything, he could probably buy and sell your butt 10 times over, and thats with the money he wastes on buying meals for folks.
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I love getting under your skin
Boy, buy me over ten times huh? Maybe money can get him a new I’d considering what a loser he looks like now. Did he ever hook his employees up with food or was that just reserved for the people he wanted to be accepted by?
I have no idea what the man did for his employees, but I could never do a thing for
him and it didnt stop him from providing free appetizers to the group of 8 I brought in one night. All I know is that the man is a well-respected and well-liked businessman. And like I said before, I couldnt do a thing for him…..still can’t.
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interesting
I am not surprised you responded. I am surprised to see you still miss the point.
Not a big surprise with the Joe's thing
I worked in the kitchen at Joe’s some years back, first cooking pizzas, then as a line cook (there are no “chefs”). At that time Joe did not work nights, he only worked during the day. I only saw or spoke to him on rare occasions that I worked a day shift or when he was required to be there at night for some reason (usually when he was making soup, which was always made from scratch by Joe himself).
Joe is not a friendly man. He talked only business with the managers and usually ignored the kitchen staff (even those of a lengthy tenure) unless he thought something they were doing was wrong. And if he was in the kitchen I can assure you he found something to complain about and it was usually that we were giving the customer too much stuff (the pizza had too much topping, the lasagna was too big, etc.) But he wasn’t a beast. He never raised his voice and he never criticized anyone in a mean-spirited way. His wife Ann, on the other hand, was quite nasty; a terror that you wanted to avoid at any cost. She was widely considered the “brains” of the operation.
The feeling I always got from Joe was that he was a rather defeated, simple-minded person. I felt he was a hard person to like, but at the same time no one disliked him. He was one of the only bosses I ever had that co-workers rarely complained about. Customers, especially “big shots” would push him around. There were a surprising number of people who had permanent comps. Some of these people were outright jerks who had complained so loudly about something that Joe had appeased them not with a comp meal, but with permanent comps. These jerks didn’t even tip the waiters for their comp meals.
The point I’m getting to is that even though he knew he was violating the rules, I doubt he really thought of the consequences. He comp’d the players because he appreciated them. I seriously doubt that he thought he would ever get anything (power, prestige, or business) in return. In sum, it was a stupid move, but only that.
the REAL fake Mr. Bob Dobalina
Formerly known as "senowen"
Kids like to hustle businesses
whether or not the kids are athletes. And many people — including business people — like to help kids — whether or not they are athletes. It also seems apparent that retail businesses in a college community see advantages in encouraging popular students to do business with them.
Given such human propensities, I don’t see how a university athletic staff can determine how every kid on scholarship in every sport gets every meal, every piece of clothing, every CD or DVD, every Ipod or whatever — short of putting them in a concentration camp.
Cars and jobs are a different matter; the athletic departments should be able to keep up with those. And they should watch for the other stuff. But kids being kids, and many people being inclined to help kids, petty violations are going to happen. That probably why the NCAA considers these to be secondary violations and do not consider them to be evidence of a lack of institutional control.
Barton
So what about this “It’s more of a Coach Calipari thing?” Is that saying that Is what Memphis said regarding the investigation to the recruit??
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 8, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions
No, That's Just Recruiting
You say what you have to say to get a player to choose your team.
True or not, doesn’t matter.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 10, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
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