The Big Blue Daily Mail -- News for Kentucky Wildcat Fans, June 4th, 2009
Even though we are still in the throes of the mediagasm over the allegations that a player on Memphis' 2007-08 national runner-up team cheated on his SAT test, there is at least a little more diversity in today's news. The NBA draft "in or out" deadline is looming, players are beginning to work out for teams in hope of making decisions, football talk is starting to ramp up and we are finally getting to a point where we can look beyond, at least for awhile, all the events surrounding the coaching change at Kentucky. That won't last long, of course (if it ever actually comes), but that's fine by me.
I would like to formally welcome Dicky Lyons Jr. to A Sea of Blue. Dicky will be contributing a column periodically about what is going on in his efforts to obtain a spot on an NFL roster, which I am sure he will be able to do. Dicky was absolutely one of the most exciting and personable players we have had at UK in many years, and the opportunity to bring you his thoughts as he moves through his early career is something we are proud to be able to do. Ken was the guy who arranged to bring Dicky's World to A Sea of Blue, so make sure you give him some kudos for that hard work.
Obviously, I'll be leaving Dicky's post at the top for the rest of today, so if you want to get down here to the news, you'll have to scroll a bit. We like to leave our stars at the top of the marquee around here.
Moving on to today's news, there really isn't too much to comment on. Calipari's detractors are still detracting, and his defenders, including yours truly, are still defending. As it always does in matters like this, we are settling down to stalemate, but we at A Sea of Blue will be carefully examining any claims of impropriety for facts, fairness and balance if they come from a source we consider worthy of comment. Believe me, there are many people offering opinion about Kentucky and or Coach Cal that don't meet my threshold for credibility.
So with all that said, let's get to the news:
UK Basketball News
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Rush The Court gets this one wrong.
I don't really get what Rush The Court is going for here. Florida did not admit Doneal Mack in spite of being cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse, but that seems that the real reason may have been that Florida wanted to open a scholarship for another player. Mack took the test twice and met the minimum requirements for NCAA admission both times. Seems like a little more research from the usually reliable RTC would have been in order. -
Jay Bilas Joins the Calipari Defender Camp.
Someone linked the ESPN Insider teaser yesterday. Here is some commentary from Kentucky Sports Radio. If Jay's argument sounds familiar, it is because it is the one I have been making for days on end. -
Landon Slone commits to Morehead State.
Good for Landon, and best of luck. I think he will love it there, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Morehead back in the NCAA tournament again next year. -
The Pioneer Press interviews Jodie Meeks.
Jodie thinks he is going to be a first-rounder right now, but says if he doesn't get "definite" answers, he'll go back to school and "... try to compete for a national championship." Either one is fine by me. I would love to have Jodie back, but if he's sure he is a first rounder, he should stay in. -
Stud 2-guard Will Barton likes Kentucky and Coach Cal.
Good for us. This is beginning to remind me of how it used to be at Kentucky, and it feels really good so far. -
Jodie Meeks answers some questions.
On his status as an early draft entrant: "If I am second round, I'll go back to school. (I) have no problem going back to Kentucky, I love playing there. It is a great place to play and Coach Calipari is a great coach. If I am top-25, first round, I'll probably stay in. Right now I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I'm just going to go through the process and enjoy it."
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Jodie Meeks will visit the Sixers on Friday.
Interesting. Ty Lawson, Tony Douglas, Terrence Williams and Stefon Jackson have also been invited. These are some of the fastest and most athletic guys from Combine. -
Jodie Meeks' speed "out of nowhere?"
I'm not knocking The Hoops Report for their blog on the NBA Combine results, I just got a giggle out of the fact that they were apparently surprised at Jodie Meeks' third place result in the 3/4 court sprints. Frankly, I'm surprised he wasn't first. I guess The Hoops Report hasn't seen Jodie play all that much. -
NBA scouts miss on Meeks
The NBA scouts will not miss Jodie next year, if he has to come back.
UK Football News
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OverThePylon talks about what the "experts" say about the football Wildcats.
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No rest for weary Cats this football season.
John Clay is right -- this football season is murderous. But then again, so is the season of several other SEC teams. Frankly, I think we could do better than this in college football.
Other UK Sports News
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Nothing so far today.
NCAA Sports news
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Will Brandon Jennings prove college basketball wrong?
Very interesting commentary on Brandon Jennings. I don't really know if all this is good or bad, but I do feel that kids like Jennings who have no interest in going to college should have another path open to them out of high school. Perhaps overseas leagues are the answer, but it isn't surprising that the colleges don't like this idea much. -
College Basketball's Top 25 Coaches
Matt Snyder of Fanhouse does a really excellent job of categorizing NCAA coaches. I really can't take issue with much he has done here. Maybe you guys can. Go for it. -
The Loathsome Troll Jeff Goodman says Willard to Louisville makes no sense.
Goodman thinks Pitino needs a recruiter. His argument is not that bad.
Other News of Interest
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Sypher attorney wants trial delay.
Sypher's attorney said he has learned of more evidence and wants a delay. -
Politicians and sports = oil and water
Mind your own business, Cohen. Work on the economy, the environment, whatever floats your boat. Keep your hands off of sports -- you aren't qualified to mess with them, and you surely have more important matters to address.
The Daily Schadenfreude
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Guilty, guilty, guilty.
"I'm still willing to give current Kentucky Men's Head Basketball Coach John Calipari the benefit of the doubt. However, past history with Massachusetts and the current situation with Memphis indicate that Calipari, in his ambition to win at all costs, is allowing improprieties to be committed by his players." Heh. I just have to laugh at the inconsistency in that paragraph. -
More fear and loathing from the Bleacher Report.
I think all these guys secretly have a man-crush on Coach Cal. They just want him to pay attention to them. -
What’s Going On With Rick Pitino? | U of L Card Game
What, indeed? I suppose, given all the news that Traitor Rick would have rather not heard, he is just laying low to let the whole thing die down a bit. I think that is a good idea for him, and it usually works.
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Recruiting Does Remind Me Of The 1970's And 1980's
Most star players were interested in UK under Hall and Sutton.
Recruiting took a different approach under Pitino and Tubby. Both signed a mix of star players and lesser rated players rather than HS All-Americans galore (as Hall and Sutton did).
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 4, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitino's Recruiting was Puzzling
He seemed to follow the Al McQuire pattern of recruiting one great player per year. But he was also recruiting players who could be effective in his full-court press, shoot-the-three offense. The high school all-America criteria at that time seemed to favor big players over skilled players. Pitino needed skilled players, i.e. shooters and ball handlers in the open court. Rick promoted himself as a coach who could get players into the NBA quickly. That helped him get Mashburn & Mercer.
Tubby seemed to shun 5-star quick-entry NBA types in favor of 4-year team-oriented scholar-athletes. Chuck Hayes was the ideal Tubby Smith recruit. Smart, hard-working, a winner.
Tubby’s downfall was his best-rated recruiting class (Rondo, Morris, Crawford, Bradley) which was also his most dysfunctional on-court group. They seemed to have little interest in executing Tubby’s brand of basketball. All they (particularly Rondo and Morris) seemed to be interested in was doing what propelled them into the NBA ASAP.
Calipari seems to have the offense that will attract the 5-stars, and the 5-star all-America criteria seem to have shifted to favor the skilled player who can run the court, dribble and shoot a variety of shots. He emphasizes more so than Pitino and unlike Tubby that basketball ought to be fun.
Cal needs 3-4 years to show that he can blend UK’s tradition, the DDMO and his personality and management style into a national championship contender. For the most part, the players recruited by Tubby and Gillispie do not meet Cal’s needs. (Were either Patterson or Meeks recruited by Memphis out of high school?) Obviously, Cal was willing to recruit a one-and-done, but he is also proud of his 4-year guys who get degrees.
As a coach you gotta design an offensive/defensive scheme that is going to dominate (or be very competitive) within the context of the rules of the game and then you have to recruit players who can execute your plan. Cal can do that at Kentucky.
by Fortunatus on Jun 4, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Had No Problem With P Or T Recruiting
But Hall and Sutton landed higher rated players more often.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 7, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McDonalds A-A (For Example)
UK signed 6 in the 1970’s but McD A-A team was first named in 1977. So that’s 6 in just 3 years.
UK signed 13 McD A-A in the 1980’s. But UK signed only 14 McD A-A in the 1990’s and 2000’s COMBINED.
Calipari’s recruiting will be like (and may exceed) Hall and Sutton. Minus the cheating.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 4, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well a lot of that has to do with the politics of recruiting and scouting evaluating agencies that only developed in that time period and I’m still not convinced that McD A-A from any of those periods are even comparable.
"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."
by trich on Jun 4, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Really
McDonalds A-A have been selected by pretty much the same process since 1977.
If you look at Parade A-A (selected from 1957 on), the numbers are:
1970’s = 13 Parade A-A signed by UK.
1980’s = 17. So that’s 30 (combined) or 1.5 Parade A-A per year.
1990’s = 14. 2000’s = 10.
That’s 24 (combined) or 1.2 Parade A-A per year.
CLEARLY Hall and Sutton were more successful at signing HS A-A than Pitino, Tubby, and Gillispie.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be all those awful Duke McD’s fellows eschewing my vision of the selection process since very few of those seemingly pain out.
"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."
by trich on Jun 4, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps
Duke has been to 10 FF and won 3 NCAA titles over the past 25 years so SOME of them did OK.
UK has been to 8 FF and won 3 NCAA titles over the past 50 years but only 4 FF and 2 NCAA titles over the past 25 years.
Those numbers would “hint” that UK’s HS A-A recruits have done not even as well as Duke.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jodie and speed
are like peas and carrots…LOL….Where have they been hiding? I too was surprised by 3rd. He must have had an off day. His track and field talents are a plus in the game of basketball.
Hmm….I think we have another track and field talent, who soon be sporting the blue and white…Way to go Jon…
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Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 4, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
John Wall is not as explosive as Jodie, but IMO is as fast as Jodie.
by blue oregon on Jun 4, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is good :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 5, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RTC Response
ASoB:
Let’s get something clear right away. Doneal Mack’s ACT score was invalidated by ETS for suspicious activity. Whether or not Florida admitted him based on that test score is open to debate on whether you believe Billy Donovan, but there is no question about the former fact.
Additionally, let’s see what Billy Donovan had to say on the matter at the time:
“A Florida rule on college entrance exams prevented Mack from joining the team,” Donovan said. Unlike many other schools, Florida does not admit athletes or non-athletes who have had entrance exam scores canceled. The ACT canceled Mack’s original score of 23 when his score of 18 on a re-test did not fall within a range that would remove suspicion. "It had nothing to do with Billy Donovan or Werner," the Florida coach said. "With our academic standards, he was not admissible."
Best Regards. RTC http://rushthecourt.wordpress.com
by rushthecourt on Jun 4, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I tell everyone that the reason I sell
Insurance for a certain company is because they are the best……the fact that they pay more commissions than a lot of companies never enters into the conversation……just because Billy Donovan said one thing, does not mean he didnt do another….we all want to seem “politically correct” these days….he is no exception.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You based your career on money?
How could you?
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a character flaw
one that the bank loves to see in me…..lol
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what You
do for a living. But I would venture it is for money. If You didn’t base your career on earning a living,you made a BAD choice!
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 4, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous
Mack’s score was invalidated b/c there was too much of a jump between scores. Period. Mack has said so, his dad has said so, and Billy Donovan has said so.
Whether Donovan was using that as cover to recruit over him is completely irrelevant to the point that Mack has a history with fishy entrance exam scores in addition to Dozier and now, Rose.
Stay on point here.
Best Regards. RTC http://rushthecourt.wordpress.com
by rushthecourt on Jun 4, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, youre the one who brought up
Donovan’s comments on the situation….and if you think that those three are the only kids that got into college with fishy scores on their SATs you are the one who needs to try staying on point….the POINT to all of this is that if the kids want to get help to make sure they qualify they can get it right at home, they do not have to look to the Universities to get it. And your notion that Calipari at Kentucky puts Memphis in a “mess” is a joke, since Calipari has been cleared of any wrongdoing. You “talk first, think last” style bloggers need to learn where the brakes are when it comes to running your mouths about who is guilty and who isnt…and learn when talk has to be backed up by the truth….of course you can ignore the truth if you wish….seems as though you are getting plenty of traffic that way
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donovan's comments
Yes, those are the only three kids in the history of NCAA basketball to get assistance with college entrance exams. THE ONLY THREE. YES IT’S ONLY CAL’S KIDS. YOU FIGURED IT OUT.
You need to learn what the word guilt means, and when you get educate yourself on that, get back to me.
It is, however, highly suspect that three kids on the same team have had SAT/ACT issues, and if this were a Duke issue, you’d be railing it to the highest of heavens.
Best Regards. RTC http://rushthecourt.wordpress.com
by rushthecourt on Jun 5, 2009 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually I believe it is a much more widespread issue than Duke or Memphis
or anywhere else…..and as long as this one and done rule is in effect it will continue to be…and as far as guilt goes, my definition is just fine…..guilt is a proven fault or mistake…or a “feeling” a person carries due to something they have done…..sounds like you may be carrying a little, along with some pent up hostility as well….perhaps counseling is in order…..UK has an excellent Psychiatric department, and we could recommend someone highly accredited to help you with this issue if you like…..and I’ll be right here willing to work with you to see that you continue to get pointed in the right direction.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 5, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see....in 1974
Nixon said “I am not a crook!”
“I’m just glad it’ll be Clark Gable who’s falling on his face and not
Gary Cooper.”—Gary Cooper on his decision not to take the leading role in"Gone With The Wind."
“I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.”—Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush The Court:
That isn’t exactly correct. The service considered his lower score valid, and not his higher one due to a procedural issue — the range. It is not whatsoever similar to the Rose situation, where ETS invalidated his only valid SAT score because a handwriting expert decided that the writing on his only qualifying test was suspicious.
It is not at all uncommon for two tests to be in a questionable range, and have the higher test invalidated. The fact of the matter is, the two situations aren’t even remotely analogous, and that is obvious even to the most casual observer. Why you didn’t bother to check that out was my only bone of contention.
You also conveniently ignored the following facts:
Kentucky Coach Tubby Smith was among representatives of “at least 10 major Division I schools” that called to offer Mack a scholarship, the player’s father said. Others included Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest, Tennessee and Arizona State.
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Greg Mack suggested timing worked against Kentucky. “If Tubby had called before John Calipari, I think it would have been Kentucky,” he said.
So based on your suspicion, Tubby Smith, among others, was willing to join Calipari in the supposed muck. Are you really wanting to go there? Just askin’.
I don’t take issue with the fact that ETS invalidated Mack’s higher score. What I do take issue with is the implication that Calipari was involved in some funny business, and you know damn good and well that’s where you were heading with this.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 4, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on Jun 4, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here bluecrip,
you may thank me later….LOL…your reply was followed by another one so close that it looked like yours. I am only joking, but I did think it was an addition to yours…..which makes no sense as soon as I hit post…LOL
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 5, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Truzen – you know we’re respectful of each other’s opinions, but what? Seriously?
We’ve already established on our site (search Dana O’Neil’s espn article) that ETS only invalidates scores based on two of three criteria, where the handwriting sample is but ONE of those three criteria. The other primary reason people get their score invalidated is b/c of the score making a huge jump, which is what happened with both Rose AND Mack.
You say it’s uncommon for two tests to be in the questionable range. I disagree. The numbers I’ve seen is that invalidations occurs in well less than 1% of all testings. That’s what is uncommon. The fact that THREE players on the same Memphis team had SAT/ACT tests invalidated is what is genuinely uncommon. What are the true odds of that occurring?
Granted, I’m not crying conspiracy here, in that Calipari had anything at ALL to do with fraud with these tests, and your implication to the opposite is completely wrong about that, but it DOES show a willingness to recruit kids who have suspect academic credentials. If Tubby and whoever else were willing to overlook that, then so be it. But the fact is that Cal had at least three on one team, and I dare you or anyone else to find a legit contender with more.
Personally, I’ve never heard of it, and we both know that if Duke or UNC had three players with suspect academic credentials on a single team, this board and everyone on it would be raising holy hell.
Best Regards. RTC http://rushthecourt.wordpress.com
by rushthecourt on Jun 5, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
A couple of things with these points, just so we have it straight.
My understanding is in the alleged Rose case that the test score did not take an invalid jump. That’s what has been previously reported, so if it did, then the reporting was in error. Assuming that his test did not, as has been reported, take an invalid jump, then if what you are telling us is true, there must have been some other criteria besides the handwriting that generated the inquiry. I would point out that ETS itself says it has the right to invalidate a test score for any reason if it considers it suspicious.
Second, I didn’t say that it is uncommon for two test scores to cause one to be procedurally invalidated, I said it is not uncommon. According to this article, about 1000 SATs are invalidated each year out of 2 million taken, which would tend support your argument that it is not particularly common. But my argument would be that because Mack took the test twice and obtained a qualifying score both times, he is a very rare case indeed.
Here is the thing that makes the Mack situation irrelevant: He took the test the second time while a Florida signee. He qualified, but the range between his two tests invalidated his first one. Memphis, alone with UK and many others previously identified, then recruited Mack after Florida released him. No fact, extrapolation of fact or theory could place any unethical action in this particular case on Calipari. None. Representing it as a further argument that Calipari is doing something unethical is what is known as a hasty generalization. The two facts are not connected to the object, even if they have some things in common.
In the case of Dozier, what I want to know is what exactly Calipari should have done? Dozier’s SAT was questioned and Dennis Felton backed off him, understandably, so Dozier went to prep school and signed with Memphis. What is unethical about any of that, especially considering the fact that although Dozier’s SAT was questioned, it was never actually invalidated as far as I know? Georgia considered the re-test suspicious, but Dozier did what all athletes with eligibility issues like that do – went to prep school, and signed with Memphis. It’s hard to see how that supports a case against Calipari, not to mention the fact that Dozier went on to graduate from Memphis.
In the end, what you and others have failed to provide is a meaningful connection between these three cases that in any way implicates John Calipari. You are engaging in exactly the same type of invalid reasoning is those who adjudge Calipari guilty because of his proximity to two NCAA scandals. Guilt by association is not a valid logical argument.
In closing, I would ask what should be done with student athletes who are suspected of cheating, but it can’t be proved? Should the be forbidden from entering college at all? Have we really become so incredibly jaded that the mere suspicion of fraud is sufficient to deny athletes admission to any Division I school? Does it even matter that ETS is often losing arbitration cases (see link above) where students who actually have enough money to press the issue do so?
Your argument is flawed, prejudicial, and reflects a surprising disdain for the people involved. It is an unusual thing to see coming from a blog that is so deservedly respected. I expect it is just an aberration, but I did have to comment on it.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 5, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Should the be forbidden from entering college at all?"
I would say not at all, for either coach or player, but that doesn’t mean your university has to sign/hire them, if that makes any sense.
by daniel81 on Jun 5, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does make sense.
But the question then becomes a race to the bottom. Do you think that the elite basketball schools are going to ignore blue-chip prospects that have “questionable” entrance exams? And when do exams become “questionable?” What would be the objective criteria?
I say that unless there is proof of a violation, or a strong likelihood supported by objective evidence, the person should be afforded a presumption of innocence. And even then, they should be considered if they take a junior college or prep school route and become eligible that way.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 5, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
But I just think if the NCAA would set the bar higher in terms of test scoring, this wouldn’t be as much of an issue. Instead of saying hey, make the bare minimum and you can play sports, it should be hey, you’re getting a scholarship for a sports activity, so you should hit the books to at least score within shouting distance to those who are getting academic scholarships when it comes to a test score.
This type of thinking starts in high school. Make that D or low C so you can qualify for Friday’s game. But schools weren’t started for sports, but we’ve lost track of that.
That aside, you’re absolutely right. If we started being being I guess paranoid, we wouldn’t get the big time players. I guess it’s just sad to me that the majority of the time you have to either be good at sports, or good at books. .
by daniel81 on Jun 5, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
That’s a point of view I can appreciate, even if I think we should be making school more available rather than less. I really think changing the “one and done” rule would root out a lot of this mess. Not all, to be sure, but a good bit. It would clear the decks to set higher standards, anyway.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 5, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guilt by association
Again, you’re accusing me of something that I’m not at all saying. How can I be any clearer?
I do not believe that John Calipari was involved in ANY fraudulent activity with respect to the entrance exam testing of Rose, Dozier or Mack. He is not guilty of any crime or NCAA violation, not should be be under any degree of suspicion relating to it. Period.
What I am saying, however, is that it shows a clear willingness to recruit kids with questionable academic histories. When you’re willing to do that, you inevitably open yourself up to public criticism when those same kids are later found to have fraudulently tested, or changed grades, or whatever the case may be. Maybe you don’t find that to be a big deal, but I would think as a fan of a major program like UK, you would be concerned.
I’m not sure why you’re so defensive about this. Calipari has long been known as a coach willing to take risks on players that other coaches and programs have reservations about. Not because he’s dirty or a bad guy or has a win-at-any-cost mentality. Simply because he thinks that he can coach those kids and make them into productive citizens and players. I’m not necessarily ripping him for that aspect of his history.
Now, about ETS, what you linked is boilerplate legal language giving them the right to cancel a score under any circumstances (aka “cover”). What I’m telling you is that according to Dana O’Neil’s report, their internal threshold for cancellation – the evidence they feel they need to have – is more than the handwriting sample alone. They need two of three criteria to be satisfied. One is the handwriting analysis; another is a statistically significant difference in scores; the third is a proctor seeing something suspicious during the testing. I’m making a logical leap that there was no proctor problem, so there must have been a scoring problem with Rose’s exam.
Just so we’re straight factually, Dozier’s first test (the 1260) was invalidated by ETS after his next attempt dropped 540 pts.
Now you ask about guilt by association, and this is the key point. As I stated above, I’m not anywhere near calling Calipari guilty of anything other than recruiting academically questionable kids. He knows he does that and you know he does that. Do you think it was simply bad luck that three players on the same Memphis team had their scores invalidated and/or rejected by another school? Where it gets tricky is, as a UK fan, how far down that road do you want him to go? Is it worth it to make a F4 and possibly win a title to know that someone like a Rose might be on the team and there is a distinct possibility that everything will be later taken away? Perhaps your response is that it is indeed worth the risk, and if so, I’m ok with that answer. I just want UK fans to recognize that this is a distinct possibility, in much the same way that Kelvin Sampson’s willingness to flout the NCAA phone calling rules at IU was recognized yet ignored amidst the excitement he brought to the program.
If you recognize the argument that I’m actually making, and not the one that you seem to think I’m making, you’ll find no such flawed reasoning or prejudice that you accuse me of.
Best Regards. RTC http://rushthecourt.wordpress.com
by rushthecourt on Jun 5, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been battling that all week rush
There’s just not an answer one way or the other. I agree with Tru that we won’t know until it’s all played out, I just hope we don’t have problems by the time it does.
by daniel81 on Jun 5, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm....green shoots are being seen all over the Commonwealth.
And that is a good thing.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jun 5, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very fine.
Your post did not seem at all clear on that point, but if that is what you intended to say, fine.
I don’t have a problem with Calipari, or any other coach, taking a risk on a kid that has academic issues. If I did not criticize Gillispie, who recruited the academically-challenged DeAndre Liggins, or Tubby Smith who recruited not only Doneal Mack but also Jason Parker, who had an SAT score invalidated just like Dozier, how the hell could I rationally criticize Calipari for doing exactly the same thing at Memphis?
Your article read like an attempt to indict Calipari for something nefarious, and the evidence was his willingness to sign academic refugees from other schools. If you think that’s a problem, that’s your business. I happen to think it is only a problem when the refugee turns out to be a bad seed, like Parker was.
So in sum, if your only argument is that recruiting questionable kids is a concern, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I think it can be bad, but Dozier graduated with a degree and Mack seems likely to do the same. At some point, the academic outcome has to outweigh the questions. If the outcome is bad, then the process could be legitimately criticized. But in two of the cases you cited, the outcome has been good in one case and looks promising in the other. From the “glass half full” perspective, Calipari’s judgment in recruiting kids with academic difficulties seems far above average.
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by Truzenzuzex on Jun 5, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Meeks comes back
A lot of NBA teams could use his scoring and quickness.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He says if he gets anyone in the first round now
saying its a guarantee he’s gone….before it was upper first round…..I think its a coin-flip at this point if he goes or not….he really surprised some scouts, although for the life of me I cannot figure out why they would be surprised that this kid is as quick as he is…
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it looking more like he wont
At the very least many teams could use him to stretch a defense with his shooting. I know Detroit is really hurting for three point threats since Rasheed is in decline and fee agency and they traded away Billups.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Jun 4, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say I agree.
Beisner makes a good point over at KSR regarding the Timberwolves and their THREE first round picks. I could easily see a team with more than one taking a chance on Jodie. If Jodie feels confident he’ll get a first round, he’s gone, and he should be.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Jun 4, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I agree, you have to take the money when you can. The guy has unbelievable upside.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know its a pipe dream, but I would
love to see Rondo feeding him the ball at Boston….would be art on the basketball court
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would it be a pipe dream?
The Celtics are drafting later in the first round and there has been some serious talk about trading Ray Allen.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jun 4, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it can't be the Spurs....
I think it would be awesome if the Celts schose Jodie just because of that scenario posted by ABC.
Meeks is gone….but where?
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on Jun 4, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid College Hoops Net
I’ve defended that site for a long time, mainly because I went to law school with the guy that runs it, but I find it ABSURD that the following linked article has been their front page story since May 28. No futher comments about the NCAA finding nothing, Memphis finding nothing, etc. etc. No updates, no new stories, nada.
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/john-calipari-smoke-fire-166949
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Jun 4, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a major flaw in this article...
I know he is trying to make a point, but really,
(over-zealous UK fans could probably justify signing Christian Laettner right now if they thought he could deliver victories).this is so wrong in so many ways. That would never ever happen, IMO… He couldn’t even volunteer as a stat keeper here in KY. Does everyone think that we will stoop to unbelievable deeds to win-at-all costs? That has to be the joke of the decade…LOL
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 4, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and if you read the author's bio,
he’s a UK grad, works in Lexington (I think), has a UK foam hand in the background, and covers the SEC for CHN. I was surprised to see what I consider a biased, flawed, and inaccurate article from him, not to mention that the article has been left on the front page for WAY too long.
Perhaps the CHN editorial staff is on an annual retreat somewhere without internet access.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Jun 4, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UK fans - now THERE'S the problem ...
They believe Kentucky “stoops to win at any cost” because that’s what they WANT to believe. They WANT to believe that UK has absolutely no scruples, no morals and no class. UK is just “desperate to reestablish their former glory”, and if anyone steps in their way, well, that’s just too bad. Anyone who strives to be THE BEST at what they do (whether it be golf, ping-pong, thumb-wrestling, or college basketball) will always be the envy of those who don’t try as hard or don’t have a FAN BASE that consistently demands a high standard. They want to believe UK has to lower their standards in or to compete, but the truth is, they need to raise theirs. Evidently, college basketball has to have a “bad guy” and I guess we’re it. You know, us. The fan base. We’re the dirty, sneaky, little good-for-nothings. ; )
by Blueboy on Jun 4, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I left him a little note discussing my
concerns about his writing style…..
Jason,
I am just curious, do you lose your perspective about all of the people you blog about, or just Coach Calipari? As a UK graduate, I would have thought that common sense would overtake your youth and exuberance concerning your writing. Did the Florence paper publish this nonsense for you as well, or is it because it is a blog that you can ignore all of the facts surrounding this case? You know, being a reporter USUALLY means someone has the ability to write about a subject objectively, amd not subjectively. Maybe you should check back with a few of your professors about fact checking and research on your articles. Seems as though this one is more than just a little slanted.
Maybe you were shunned at some point by Coach Calipari for an interview, or he did not answer your question to suit you at some point and you hold a grudge? In any event, you get a pass on this one due to the youth and exuberance I mentioned earlier….My e-mail is posted should you care to elaborate on the subject further and make an even bigger fool of yourself.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Facts can be so inconvenient
With reporting practices like that, he should go to work for the New York “All The News That’s Fit to Make Up” Times.
by UKCat on Jun 4, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still say we should all get together
and create a National Enquirer type news service just for sports. Oh wait……do we have one of those already???….
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blogging Shame
Since we’re critiquing blogs and bloggers we probably should include the “College Sports” — right away the name exposes its fatuous nature — as submitted by one Ken Gustafson. Then the content of the piece actually exceeds the title’s inanity. Not only is the construction haphazard but the misstatements are more than any reader should tolerate. Add the gratuitous use of a Latino word fuego — most likely the only Spanish Mr. Gustafson knows — and the misspelling, or ignorance, of Derrick Rose (Rhodes) name, plus the blatant attempt to add some sense of authority by parenthetically including “who I saw play in high school for Lithonia High in Stone Mountain, GA”, and the grand sum is a blog of which to be ashamed.
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
by Wild Weasel on Jun 4, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Solid critique.
If only he would defend himself like RTC did.
Not happening.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 4, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOVING Jay Bilas' commentary
Wish I could read the whole Insider article. I’m not at all surprised that he has taken such a thoughful position on this.
by blue kentucky girl on Jun 4, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can UK Fans Have It Both Ways?
A perennial power without the controversy? I say, yes, see what you think.
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
by Wild Weasel on Jun 4, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link Wild Weasel....
I may seem to always look at the glass half full, but I think we can be the true powerhouse of NCAA basketball, and stay nice and neat between the baskets. Yes, I am sure we can. We can even say that we expect all things to be conducted in-bounds. The two can coexist. Those who are skeptical, I understand why that is. But let’s not allow the powers of the mind to sabotage what may be a very exciting time here in KY. Let’s all try to be positive. Negativity never wins.
So why don’t we all defend our school, our team, and our coaches? There are strengths in numbers. Stand proud to be the Big Blue Nation. If the naysayers can tear us apart, they will have accomplished exactly what they wanted. And that is bringing UK down. They thought they were succeeding. I think we will return to excellence. In fact, I know we will. I have been expecting it.
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 4, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bilas
The article lays out the information in a logical manner…on the scale of Tru’s covering the same info. He focuses on the major issues with women’s golf. He discusses the things that are relevant….and this is the best paragraph.
I don’t mean to sound like Otter in “Animal House” as he railed against the “double secret probation hearing,” but shouldn’t the director of undergraduate admissions be held accountable for failing to see this academic fraud? How about the university president? Unless there is evidence to the contrary, if Rose’s high school sent his transcript to the NCAA Clearinghouse and it was approved, how could Memphis be expected to know?
Hope a copy of one paragraph is not too over the line for an Insider article.
Chad Ford does not have Jodie in the top 30 still in today’s list. .
by CAWebb on Jun 4, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Article
I think you have easily quoted the minimum necessary, and I consider your comment safely in the “fair use” arena.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 5, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UK Fans
I am having a problem with people doing the whole “you-arent-a-real-UK-fan” thing regarding the Calipari situation. (Note: I am not referring to this site exclusively.) It’s so frustrating that just because there are those of us that feel a little suspicious (for lack of a better word) regarding the situation based on the similar things that have happened at points in Calipari’s career are considered to be “not real fans” or have our opinions dismissed because we can not produce any concrete evidence. An opinion is just that – an opinion. I feel like if what I have seen in the past is enough to make me feel the way that I do then I am entitled to feel that way. I am pumped about the (very strong) possibility of winning so much so quickly – Lord knows I am ready for some fun times again – but I can’t help but worry in the back of my mind that it would really suck to have to trun around and have to give it all back some time. That’s just how I feel.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 5, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, then you just aren't a real UK fan.......j/k
I agree…..just because someone has a different opinion, that doesn’t mean they are an idiot or they aren’t a “real” fan.
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 5, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I am one...
…to believe this latest thing was overblown by the media.
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 5, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Literally on your subject line! ;)
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 5, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
for the sake of being polite and respectful of others I think it’s important for us all to realize that just because one has a differing opinion about what we all hold dear and what we all are ridiculously passionate about – our beloved Wildcats, it doesn’t mean that they aren’t genuine fans. Just because someone doesn’t agree us, it doesn’t mean they are bad fans or their ideas aren’t worthy. Certainly not.
And although I will agree that some fans did go way overboard in their criticism of Gillispie, I also think it would have been helpful to remember this last season when the people who didn’t feel he was the right man for the job where having their fandom questioned and challenged whenever they presented their opinions and their feelings. Just a thought…… ; )
Go ’Cats!
by BigSkyCat on Jun 5, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Same thought would also apply to those that did support Gillispie – even when very unpopular. ;)
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 5, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's fandom should be judged on thier position on the coach.
You can legitimately not like a coach, or question his ethics, and still be a fan. Anyone telling you otherwise is behaving badly. Just ignore them, or scoff at them.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 5, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Jinx!
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 5, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just askin'.....
Lot’s of interesting perspective and opinions over the past few days. In fact, some opinions have actually caused me to take at least one boot off of Calipari’s stirrups…..but not totally.
Regardless, given all the bad and even unfair criticisms that have come out over the past few weeks, at what point is the ‘reputation hit’ that UK is getting worrisome? Is this reputation unfair or not, give anyone concern and cause second thining on the hire? It would for me.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jun 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have survived worse Hoze....
we actually had a real violation here once…..one that was proved and everything……as far as our reputation goes, we have broad shoulders…..we can handle it. That makes any “suspicions” by anyone nothing more than a blip on the radar. You however can feel free to let it worry you all you want.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 5, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have gotten to the point of not worrying about the repution of the b-ball team.
Considering we have basically had the death penalty twice, it is kind of hard to deny that our school has played fast and loose with the rules. You can’t fight the history, all you can do is not repeat it and I have not seen anything yet that makes me feel that it is soon to be repeated.
by wklawdog on Jun 5, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're kidding, right?
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jun 5, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he was kidding
it was a pretty lame one! I doubt he was kidding; I personally choose not to worry about this stuff either, but probably for a different reason. I don’t worry about it b/c it won’t do a bit of good for me to worry about it. I’m a fan, no more no less. People, such as Sandy Bell, get paid good money to figure this stuff out, and I have to trust them to do their jobs. Fans don’t have all the information so we can’t really have a truly informed opinion about this stuff, and besides getting pissy or being a worrywort about sports takes the fun out of it for me. I thought this same way about the fans who were sooooo pissed about either Smith or Gillispie in the past few seasons; they would practically give themselves an aneurysm with their coach-rage issues. How is that fun? Sports is supposed to be fun; we’re not taking issues of war or human rights here, where I DO think part of being a good citizen is being knowledgable, speaking your mind and standing up to authority if you think something is wrong. But about sports, though…I admit it, I’m a rah-rah fan—and I think I might be a happier person because of it :)
by blue kentucky girl on Jun 5, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
....and that, my lady, is why I 'love' you.
Great post.
Tru, wake up, this blog could use another perspective such as this……
I like the fact that she is one of the few who responds to my rants with cleverness, balance, etc….and I actually learn something from her as well. Well done.
'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'
by HozeKing on Jun 5, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
I think this blog has that perspective, Hoze. Ipso facto. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 6, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you got a rec from me, blue kentucky girl,
that is exactly how I feel, too.
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 5, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post neighbor!
I wish more of us felt that way.
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 6, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What ...
… Me worry? :-)
It has been a long time since Alfred E. Neuman made an appearance here. I’m gonna have to bring him back.
Nice comment.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 6, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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