Anyone Else Find this Annoying?
by StillCatwoman on Jun 3, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
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Saul Smith's warning to the University of Kentucky struck me the wrong way. Considering that he is neither sage with the wisdom of many years nor a player who made a legendary impact on the Wildcats, what puts him in the authority position to "counsel" the University of Kentucky men's basketball program? The Lexington Herald article cites
Saul's Facebook page--funny how often comments on Facebook come back to bite people--where Saul says:
"Bad bad day for my alma mater," Smith wrote on Thursday. "The UK athletic program will never regain its true champion nature with Businessmen running it. Never, no matter how many so called blue chip players you bring in. You can’t sacrifice your integrity for success. You just can’t do it. I’m an alum and I deserve a clean-ran program, plain and simple. Period, and if anyone disagrees, you, my friend, shouldn’t support the program I played 4."
This from someone who would have never seen the playing time he got, and perhaps never been an assistant coach at a Division I school so young in life, had it not been for ... well, let's say I don't think his skill and talent have always been the door opener for him...
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Yeah, me an Forty got into it over that one
He called me a racist, I called him an idiot…..it was all good.
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh clearly I am behind the times
Well, I guess I may be in trouble with Forty, too. The tone was just too arrogant for me, killing the value of the message.
by StillCatwoman on Jun 3, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saul Erred In Posting The Original Comments
I know (FOR SURE) his father and others in Minnesota AD office were not pleased.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know Tubby
or anyone close to him, but I’d have bet on that. In this instance, the acorn strayed pretty far from the tree. Regardless of your opinion of him as coach, Tubby was too classy to ever pull anything close to this. I’m sure Saul has been appropriately chastised.
by Acdixon on Jun 3, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Generation Skip
It’s not unheard of — in fact it’s quite common — that class skips a generation. Appears that may have happened here.
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
by Wild Weasel on Jun 3, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know Tubby or anyone close to him, but I’d have bet on that. In this instance, the acorn strayed pretty far from the tree. Regardless of your opinion of him as coach, Tubby was too classy to ever pull anything close to this. I’m sure Saul has been appropriately chastised.
by Acdixon on Jun 3, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quoted for Truth. Tubby was and is a very fine man and a class act all the way. I’m no Tubby appologist, but you can’t question the man’s charachter.
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by cobbycobb on Jun 4, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, coop,
What were you thinking?…LOL…I know it said Saul tried to delete his comments, but it was seen before he could. He should not have said it, that much I do know. :-)
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by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I'm stupid I guess
Saul walks on water and is the greatest PG in UK history……my bad……
This was all over at the Minn SB blog. I said that only Porter and Sutton were worse PGs in my lifetime, and I stand by that.
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you should stand by your, IMO's :-)
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by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saul
Come on Coop Saul wasnt that bad. He did play for the Columbus River Dragons….LOL.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Jun 3, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 Years In NBDL
How did pro basketball turn out for Ford, Epps, Turner?
About the same, or worse.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saul
Look where he stands (all-time) assists and steals at UK.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saul was a solid defender
I am not going to claim that Saul was UK caliber talent as a HS prospect, but I always respected his hustle, his tenacious defense, and his ever-present enthusiasm on the court. He was very competitive, had a lot of heart IMO. He was the hardest working man in showbiz, so to speak, during his time at UK. I will always respect him for that.
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by SD_UK_FAN on Jun 4, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd that SD
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on Jun 9, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Said This
Saul won 1 NCAA title, 3 SEC titles, 3 SECT championships in 4 years. Average 27-8 record.
I said those were pretty good results. You said they were terrible results.
I am right. You are wrong.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont have much of a dog in this fight BUT i cant resist.
Forty i noticed that you like to use team stats to prove how good you think a player is. While they arent completely without merit you do realize that basketball is a team sport. UK’s accomplishments while Saul was here do not directly relate to his value as a player. You stats regarding his assists and steal would of course be completely valid.
I was just making a joke about the NBDL. I dont really have a serious position regarding Saul’s value as a player.
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by davw83 on Jun 3, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look At Saul's Personal Stats If U Prefer
Top 10 (or close) ALL-TIME in Steals and Assists.
Nearly 2-1 ATO ratio as Jr and Sr PG starter.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
364/229
= 1.59
average at best
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career FG %
35.9%
Lets retire his number…..
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all from Jon Scott's page by the way
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/Players/Smith_Saul.html
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saul...
would’ve never even been considered by UK if Tubby wasn’t the coach.
The Spork, I'm two things in one.
Are you NORML?
by the spork on Jun 3, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also is the unofficial #1
In fouling people shooting 3s…..
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All-State In GA > Led HS Team To Final 4 In Highest Classification
Bobby Knight at IU offered him a scholarship, too.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
That was HS, we are talking about UK
Josh Carrier and Brandon Stockton were Mr. Basketball too…how did their careers turn out?
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by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are looking for Saul
scroll way way down
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/ratingmodtencareergame.html
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saul > Josh Or Brandon
It’s his LAST name that evokes your hatred.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop.
I’m not exactly sure how it happened, but I actually had the rather unfortunate luck to stumble across the incredibly ugly debate you and btcoop had about this the other day at The Daily Gopher.
And it’s funny, debating Saul’s performance as a player is just as irrelevant here as it was there. This post, just like the Gopher post, is about Saul Smith’s latest and rather unfortunate comments about UK, not how good or bad he was as a point guard.
by BigSkyCat on Jun 3, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had the unfortunate luck of being there too!
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do You Feel The Same Way About Dale Brown?
Check his career FG % and 3-pt FG % (1992 and 93).
You’ll be surprised how close they are to Saul.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Ford was the primary PG
So of course his numbers suffer. That being said, I take Dale Brown over Saul every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saul is #16 in steals
Top 10?
http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/statistics/careersteals.html
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Important To Read
You missed (or close) part.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
16 is closer to 20
Rounding, amazing…..
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
another point....
why does this all matter…….joke and be happy guys…
;-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually believe
Saul’s last name hurt him more than it helped him. People thought he was going to be Drazen Petrovich or something. We would have been pretty good if he played point last year, I think.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Saul's defense,
he did change the message relatively quickly and somewhat apologized and gave support for Calipari.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Jun 3, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, StillCatWoman,
Anyone Else Find this Annoying? POST…….good post, but run-off started, totally unavoidable it seems…
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saul's Bio
http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=922402&Q_SEASON=2008
His UK teams won 77% of their games and were 12-3 (80%) in NCAA games plus 9-1 (90%) in SECT games.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His teams, Forty??
I call the Wildcats, my team, or our team. What makes us great? No ONE player on a team, EVER…
So, please don’t….PLEASE?
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UK Teams Where He Was On Roster Then?
He was back-up PG in 1998 and 99 then starting PG in 2000 and 01.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone Else Find this Annoying? POST
How true, how true!
:-}
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Reason For It To Have Been Posted AT ALL
It was posted a few days ago and went away.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forty, the post was good...
You know I did not mean that….Please stop…..
Please….
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saul was a good PG
he had heart hustle and effort. something that was lacking at that position at that time. i lobbied for his starting over Blevins. he may not have been the ace guard that we have coming in next season but he put forth more effort and hustle on the court than 98% of the rosters he was a part of.
sure his dad may have had something to do with that but at least he tried instead of slacking off because of who his dad was. and i don’t believe he started because of who his dad was, he started because he was better at that position than what was currently available.
I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.
by bluecrip on Jun 3, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saul
Is UK starting PG because my DADDY is Coach.Saul is UM assistant because my DADDY is Coach.
by -Zoso- on Jun 3, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saul and Tubby
I’m not going to get into the mudslinging going on in this post by both sides,well,both sides meaning Forty and everybody else,but here is my two cents worth. Tubby will never get the credit he deserves for winning a national title and several SEC titles (no I’m not like Forty and tell you the exact numbers) but also much of the criticism Tubby gets is deserved. He was a spotty recruiter and when he did recruit well he didn’t win like he should have meaning FF’s and national championships. He played a style,especially offensively that was like enduring a root canal,which hurt recruiting. And he was stubborn because he could have stayed if he just made changes to his coaching staff,he wasn’t “run out of town” as some like to say. And then there is Saul. He too doesn’t get the credit he deserves but he wasn’t all that great either. You can show all the numbers you want but I would take Wayne Turner and Travis Ford any day of the week over Saul Smith. Tubby would have been better served to have let Saul play elsewhere rather than have both endure what was a firestorm during Saul’s career. Then Tubby has the nerve to ask that Saul be added to his coaching staff at a time when changes were needed and asked for but not by adding Tubby’s son. Just my opinion.
by maysvilleblue on Jun 4, 2009 7:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What? No Numbers?
Torture numbers, and they’ll confess to anything.
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
by Wild Weasel on Jun 4, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, still no numbers? :-)
I have been waiting, and waiting..
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blah Blah Blah
Were there any comments about the original post…I just got so caught up in the melodrama it felt like I was watching a rerun of a Jerry Springer show (ahhh how we love our Forty acres and a mule)…or maybe it was like watching Billy Dee Williams selling Malt Liquor (come on man…it’s the ounces)…call a rose by any other name eh…(and no, that’s not a reference to Derrick)…maybe someday there will be peace among the factions…my guess..not for another Forty years…
I’m off…back again in another 2 months…
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