The Big Blue Daily Mail -- News for Kentucky Wildcat Fans, June 3rd 2009
Day four of vacation 2009. I did play golf yesterday, but my play was so loathsome that I won't comment further. That's the bad news.
The good news is that but for an unexpected thunderstorm on Monday, the weather here on the Grand Strand has been wonderful. My wife and I are thoroughly enjoying ourselves.
Getting back to the John Calipari/Memphis situation, it is unsurprising that many people who were originally looking at this as their, "Ah hah!" moment and hoping that the Evil Darth Calipari had finally been caught dead to rights are now slinking back into their caves. Oh, there are few still out there hoping against hope that more will come from this hodgepodge of allegations and questions by the NCAA, and Memphis' compliance program is definitely not looking too good right now. The most serious allegations are against the Memphis women's golf team, and even though the academic cheating question surrounding the men's basketball team is surely more spectacular, there seems to be very little that Memphis could have done in that case -- that is, assuming it turns out to be provably true, which at this point in time, it most assuredly is not.
Many will point to the failure of the player in question to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to him by the testing service to validate his test score as damning, and it certainly does not add to the credibility of his denial. Still, one of the pillars of our society is that the accuser is generally forced to prove his/her case, not disprove the accusations. With that tradition in place, and absent some sort of compelling evidence otherwise, it looks like the accused player will escape serious harm, as will Memphis by reason of what now looks like the reasonable claim that they could not have known, even if it turns out to be true, which they also cannot prove.
As is typical in our society, many have already tried and convicted the player based on the circumstances, just as they tried and convicted John Calipari years ago. There is no reasoning with these people, and I am done trying to do so. Believe whatever you want -- the sky is red, the sea is orange, that pigs really can fly, and that truth does not need an objective basis. Myself, I demand more than mere circumstances to draw such conclusions.
Now, for the news:
UK Basketball News
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Katz reports on the Memphis response.
Memphis' response says essentially that the player who allegedly cheated on the SAT that started this kerfuffle claims not to have done so, and the only evidence that he did is the testimony of a handwriting expert. My opinion -- it is certainly possible cheating happened, but it is clear that Memphis could not have reasonably concluded that it had before the end of the 2007-08 season. The handwriting expert's analysis is does not meet a minimum standard of proof, in my opinion. If that's all there is, there is not enough "there" there. -
Matt Jones: The media jumped the gun.
Great piece today by Matt Jones looking at how the Memphis/Calipari imbroglio was reported. -
Blue Chips II: Return of the Wildcats
Pretty entertaining read -- every now and then, you find a gem on the Bleacher Report. It's pretty rare, but it does happen. -
Zagsblog reports that people close to Wall and Cousins think they will qualify.
Good news for us all. -
Intentional Foul says the Calipari/Memphis thing is much ado about nothing.
Still waiting for proof of wrongdoing. Memphis? Calipari? The player to be named later? Bueller? -
Why was Cal OK in 2009 but not 2007
Good question, and I can only assume that pressure to get this one right made them look closer. -
The North Carolina State Wolfpack is better off without Calipari.
I'm happy, the Wolfpack are happy. Win-win. -
Deadspin - The Caliparis Continue To Use Social Networking Tools To Bash Pat Forde - NCAA Basketball
I must have missed this hilarious Deadspin post. I blame Pat Forde's hair. -
Danny Jett's Inner Circle: When All Is Said And Done.....
Danny Jett asks this question: Will Coach Calipari receive an open apology from the individuals who blasted him over the last couple of weeks? Will they admit that they may have jumped the gun on this one a little too early? Sadly, Danny, I'm thinking no. Many of Calipari's detractors don't need reality -- they have their opinions. -
Bluegrass State Basketball: John Calipari Heads to China.
BSB blogs about the things John Calipari is likely to see and do in China. He thinks this is a great thing for the University of Kentucky, and I think he's right. -
Walker: Sky's the limit for UK by Evansville Courier & Press
I think Kenny likes Coach Cal. -
Saunders on Sports: Don't Blame Memphis, Blame The NBA
This guy has it exactly right. -
Memphis says Calipari had no proof of player's alleged academic fraud.
Strengthen compliance program? I should say so, but I don't think any sort of compliance program would have caught the alleged academic fraud. -
Sprints Has 183 Secondary Violations to Report // 06.03.09 - Team Speed Kills
"Say what you want, the guys that released 500 pages of documents are not generally the ones hiding something. However, the "inadvertent" and "administrative error" excuses don't smell right. Those are weasel words." I think that's right. -
Calipari's forecast likely clear to partly cloudy.
I do think we will have to put up with claims of cheating pretty much forever. But as long as that doesn't actually happen, I think I can handle it. UK is never going to be beloved of much of the NCAA basketball world under Coach Cal, but I would rather be a feared, hated winner than a beloved loser any day.
UK Football News
Other UK Sports News
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UK Secures 11 Bids to NCAA Outdoor Track and Field Championships.
Great news for the Track and Field athletes.
NCAA Sports News
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Ralph Willard to Louisville?
That would be a serious coup for the Cardinals. Willard is a very capable coach, one of my favorites from the Pitino era. -
Funny business in Razorback land.
Patrick Beverly is crawfishin'. -
Luke Winn talks about the new Euro trend in professional basketball.
Calathes, Ogelsby, Brandon Jennings and others are trying the European route to the NBA, and Winn thinks that it will be more and more successful. He also debunks a John Wall Internet rumor. Perhaps this will be the eventual death of the one-and-done rule (practically, if not officially) if the NBA refuses to change it. - Tyler Smith considering the Euro route?
Other News of Interest
The Daily Schadenfreude
- More love from Duke fans.
I love reading these pieces. Truly.
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Thanks for all this Tru,
even while you are trying, and hopefully succeeding to have a wonderful vacation. :-)
I was reading the Matt Jones link, and had to stop and comment. I do hope that all those that have jumped the gun, did jump the gun, or will jump the gun, are able to come back and say that they did. I don’t look for it to happen. They will only do what they want to do. I guess they are they ones that think pigs can fly. :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My pleasure, of course.
I don’t think we’ll see much crawfishing from Calipari’s detractors. They are too invested in the idea that he is a crook to admit that their suspicions are based almost strictly on rumor, innuendo, and assuming the worst of every situation.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 3, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru, I know you warned us about all of this
when we first learned of Cal’s arrival (not about problems, but about all of the scrutiny) so you are more than warranted to say I told you so, but where does the line get drawn?….when do we get to stand up and give a big “redneck howdy” to all of these blowhards and fools who keep putting us in a bad light when there is nothing to warrant the treatment. Some of this is bordering on slander, not to mention that we have allowed our reputation to take hit after hit by not being able to respond with anything substantial when there is essentially nothing factual to respond to. Even if we win it all, there is going to be this perception of a cloud over our heads. Seems as though we are “damned if we do, damned if we dont”.
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 3, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where have you been ABC....?
This is Kentucky. This is not the first time this has happened, and it won’t be the last time, either. Remember what your grandma said? If they aren’t talking about you….
We will be okay……and I am not tired of saying that but please write it down, this time…LOL
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ...
… we all know the bar for defamation is impossibly high for a public figure like Calipari. I think the best thing we can all do is embrace the hate, keep reiterating the facts and debunking the myths, and just generally stay out of the mud that so many others are willing to roll around in.
You can’t tell people not to hold opinions, however sandy their foundation. At this point, I think what we are seeing in some of the anti-Calipari detractors is something like religious belief – they are so sure he is dirty that evidence no longer matters, it has become an article of faith.
When/if Coach Cal ever engages in culpable wrongdoing, I will be leading the charge against him. But if what we have seen so far is all his detractors have, I will be defending him just as strongly, along with most (but surely not all, as we have seen) of the Big Blue Nation.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 3, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tru is truly dedicated!
No one else would keep up this blog while on vacation. And I must add his wife must be very understanding. Maybe he can get all this done while she is in the shower! lol
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 3, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
I do most of this before my wife gets up. I am an early riser, and she is a late sleeper. That keeps her sane and me able to maintain the blog. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 3, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
missed Deadspin post, Tru?
LOL…..Then you also “missed” my fanpost….Haha….no worries though. You know I am only kidding.
I thought the hair comments were really funny, too…..
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
When I am out reading all this stuff, I sometimes forget to check the FanShots and FanPosts. I didn’t mean to steal your thunder.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 3, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not need thunder, Tru :-)
Again, no worries…
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is ;-)?
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 3, 2009 11:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's a winking smiley face
;-) Wink
:-) Smile
:-( Frown
:-/ Unsure
O.O Bug eyed surprise
Lots of neato keyboard “emoticons” to learn out there.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jun 3, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another that I will leave for your interpretation. ;-)
(.)(.)
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jun 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
stop that....(=^!^=)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you both have me!
I have emoticons on my puter but never use them.
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 3, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oldcat70, mine is
supposed to be a Wildcat face, or just a cat face, and his is…. how it is interpreted by the looker, I guess…..
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
( l )
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 3, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first looks like
2 eyeballs.I don’t have a clue how to make a wildcat face.
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 3, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some other buggy faces
(¤Â±¤) ….. (¤¥¤) … (÷¥÷)
try this link for some other symbols
by ukcris on Jun 3, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shuold have said
What does this mean? :-)
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 3, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Should>there is nothing wrong with my typing.
It is the feud between my fingers and my keyboard!
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 3, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha oldcat70,
I have the same problem…sometimes the keyboard wins…
Hopefully you will have lots of :-)….. October will be here before we know it. I look for a lot of happy faces when the team takes the floor for all to see…
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a question mark followed by a smiley face 70.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Jun 3, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know it was a smily face.
I guess that comes from texting!
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 3, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just realized the question mark is yours.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Jun 3, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: why Cal was okay in now but not in 2007,
I didn’t read the article, but my opinion is twofold but related. I think that perhaps the DDMO is (was) perceived as a “fad” or kitchy, and that against stiffer in conference play wiley coaches would figure out how to make it crumble. Tie that together with a relatively conservaitve, slow-to-accept-change Kentucky fanbase that at the time would have been very skeptical of such an offense, and despite Calipari’s accomplishments at Memphis throuh 2007, I’m not sure many people thought he could perform well at UK’s level.
Fast forward two years after a very up and down ride with Gillispie, concluded by turmoil and divided loyalties, and I think the UK faithful are/were much more accepting of such an offense. Moreover, Calipari had two additional seasons of success, including a championship game appearance, a Sweet 16, and ever-improving recruiting.
His style became less “kitchy” and more accepted, and the UK fanbase and administration were more willing to embrace it in 2009.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Jun 3, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the article/blog says,
well…. you can read it, has quotes ? from 2007….? I do not know??? :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
Being a Phish fan, I was pleased with KSR’s Wednesday’s News and Views.
http://new.kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=20941
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Jun 3, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I rather like Fish
But I think you are refering to another thing. Since I never heard of “Phish” Icound not say if I liked he,sheor it!
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 3, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I "missed" this....haha
Did you see the caption Tru put on today’s picture? ChaaaChing…Good One, Tru..
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Journalistic Standards
For a profession that claims high standards and goes to sometimes extortionate lengths to expose those who fail to meet those standards journalism has a meretricious history when it comes to retractions. When such admissions of error are ultimately extracted from the offending entity it usually follows a dragging and kicking effort and then the recantation is done in such an obscure manner as to be ignored. Expect the same sort of reaction — if there is indeed any at all — to the Rose/Memphis/Calipari episode.
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
by Wild Weasel on Jun 3, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That duke blog
they added a “PS: I wonder if a Sea of Blue will post a link to this”
I laughed. i cried. I love how much Puke hates us now..Primal fear.
by BleedinUKBlue on Jun 3, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I laughed too, at that PS,
but the first reply on the blog was not nice :-(
Fear ?? NOT…ever….a big lol
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the commenters said it was the "sea of no clue"
we need to go over there and regulate on them.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Jun 3, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am reporting them to the NCAA as we speak
“failure to regulate”…….lol
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 3, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes....that is the one I was talking about..
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now it seems that The AD for Illinois
says that he knew all along about Derrick Rose…..and that he or the school, never reported it to the NCAA…..(supposedly this is a violation too)…and now Illinois may be dragged into this situation as well……how is it that all of this is just now coming to light???
Do we have some kind of “Dont ask, Dont tell” policy in the NCAA??….And supposedly the NCAA didnt know about Rose because Memphis never told them, because they never found anything. The story is here.
Is there no end to this nonsense?
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 3, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Illinois Recruited Him HARD Right Until The End
If Guenther knew, he sure didn’t tell Bruce Weber (Illini HC).
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my take on it too
so what gives with this guy Forty?….you know anything on him??….or is this just a case of sour grapes because Rose went to Memphis?
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 3, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine
that Univ. Illinois would feel some pressure to report and try to clean up Chicago recruiting/grade changing/test cheating, because as it stands now, recruiting in-state talent for them is tough if you know all that crap is going on. I am just speculating though.
by Ontherocks on Jun 3, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know Much About Guenther
I do know that he was glad to see one of the assistants leave when Self went to Kansas in 2003.
That assistant later coach in Texas for 5 years, then…
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad Cal looks to be in the clear
But I still stand firm to the opinion that Todd/Barnhardt should have told the board about this from the beginning. Moving on, I hope Cal and all coaches learn a lesson — that you cannot assume players you are ultimately going to be judged by are going to do the right thing, and that encouraging sound education practices is more important than any athletic scholarship will ever be. I admit, my paranoia over another probation order led to some pretty harsh critiques of the coach’s moral fiber, and while I feel the coach isn’t squeaky clean, he seems to be above the board on at least the test scoring part of this. I just hope that we don’t become a program that’s willing to look the other way on a player’s conduct and ethics just because they are a top recruit. Winning is great, but winning the right way is what lasts.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 1:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hehehe.....nailed that one didnt you Forty??
We all need to start adopting the “wait and see” approach that Tru preaches on for this whole thing, because the word “rumor” is not even enough to cover what goes out on the net anymore….I just wish the “professionals” would learn the same lesson….because its usually some of their crap that starts it. In the newspaper format, one could use the excuse that sensationalism sold papers. What is the excuse for a “journalist” working from a free site?
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a degree from Internet Journey U
:-)
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by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're jumping the gun
What did you think Memphis was going to release?
Like it or not, the media reports what people want to read. If you all don’t read it/watch it/listen to it—it won’t make the news. I have yet to see an actual news report on this issue that didn’t report just what was known. Editorials are a different matter, that’s why they’re called editorials. Blogs almost always “jump the gun” on stuff, that’s why people who think blogs are going to take the place of newspapers are mistaken. And I think you must realize that from a non-UK fans’ perspective, the situation still does not look good. Whether people are basing that on something factual, a gut feeling or just pure hatred, it’s their right to think it.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what is the
classification of ESPN then? What category do we put it in? Because, I really don’t know..seriously..
:-)
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by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes no difference to me what anyone releases
as long as it is truth that can be verified by facts……not facts slanted in their favor…..facts, plain and simple. I would love to choke FortyYearCatFan sometimes, but he only quotes stated facts….He may be the Joe Friday of this blog, but I can take someone like him who quotes the numbers all day long a lot better than someone who says that 2+2=6, when presented to the right person at the right time. Just don’t lie to me and tell me it is the truth….and until they are proven, rumors are no better than lies.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 3, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stats can be used
To draw conclusions that really aren’t true either. It’s all in how you use them.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but they are still stated actual facts
what conclusions people draw are up to them….that no one can control…..just dont send me rumors and conjection anymore and tell me its “the handwriting on the wall” as some have….As far as the “media” reporting what people want to read, let them put it in the paparazzi section….and let the National Enquirer start a TV station….then I will know to change the channel. No one can make me believe that these people have nothing else to talk about at this point than to just make stuff up…..thats not being a journalist….thats being a liar.
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 3, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still not sure why everybody keeps saying stuff was made up
The NCAA filed charges against memphis
Cal was the coach when the alleged incident happened
Cal was the coach of a UMASS team that had to vacate a final four
Todd and Barnhardt said they knew about it but didn’t tell
The NCAA said Cal wasn’t too blame, the same NCAA most here say is full of it and corrupt
Now from those comes the opinions. Some say it’s a pattern, some say it’s just coincidence, some say it’s nothing at all. All of those are opinions. Look, I’ve been a reporter for awhile now. When you say something people like, you’re fair and balanced. When you say something they don’t, you’re full of it and should be writing for the National Enquirer. That’s just the nature of the beast. We can talk about facts all day, but I’ve been through enough of the behind the scene crap to make you extremely skeptical of any “fact” or stat because there are so many variables that to me, truth is basically just perception.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell that to Nixon
and that also tells the tale of a lot of what is wrong in the world today…..Truth to SOME is more about perception….not about truth
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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 3, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem, those are not quite the facts.
The NCAA had not filed any charges against the basketball program at Memphis (unless you are going back to the Dana Kirk era). They sent a letter of inquiry, which basically says “We have heard of a possible problem, what do you know about it?”
The NCAA also has not said that coach is not to blame. They have simply said that we have nothing that ties you to the possible problem and would like to know what you may know about it.
by wklawdog on Jun 3, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calipari And Pompeia
It’s pretty clear that daniel81 is the 21st century version of Julius Caesar and John Calipari is Pompeia — setting marriage relationship aside — thus guilty or not Caesar’s wife must be above suspicion and so the ever-virtuous daniel81 importunes a UK-Calipari divorce or better yet an annulment.
Finally, the more I read the responses of daniel81 the more I’m reminded of Einstein’s quite surprising:
"As far as I’m concerned, I prefer silent vice to ostentatious virtue."
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
by Wild Weasel on Jun 3, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I'm pretentious now?
We fired our last coach based mainly on rumors and he said she said crap about what was going on in a locker room that nobody will ever prove and everyone on here jumped on the bandwagon because they couldn’t stand Billy G and I’m being ostentatious? Ha. OK. I’ll take that as a compliment. It’s all about wins and losses for most UK fans, that’s all it’s ever been about. You guys think just because the NCAA can’t find any evidence about something that automatically makes it a fact? OK, fine by me, believe what you want.
I’ll stick with what I said yesterday. Most UK fans these days, and obviously 99.9 percent of them on here, are so in love with Coach Cal right now that he could shoot the mascot and you all would say it’s cool. I’m just not that way. I try to separate my reasoning from what I want to believe, I’m not sure everybody else on here is doing that. And I know, save it, you’re going to say I want Cal to be guilty so I’m making assumptions. Nope, sorry, wanted him as the coach in 2007, wanted him in 2009 too, but I don’t care who the coach is, I do expect some morals and I expect people to look into things a little bit more than just what someone says. O.J. says he’s not guilty, is that a fact to you? Would you bet your life on it? And I already know Tru is going to say yes, in the eyes of the law he is innocent, and he is, but like I’ve said over and over, truth is about perception.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Rumors
Mitch and Dr. Todd had facts that you don’t.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 3, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did they tell those to the board
Or was that another secret? Were you at the meeting? Were you sitting in for someone else? I am sure the facts you speak of didn’t change much from day one of the billy g era, only the fans’ feelings about him did.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
daniel81
I agree with you 100% on this issue.
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 4, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikingly, I agree with daniel on this one too, for the most part.
I was against firing Gillispie, and still think it was bad. Am I happy that Calipari replaced him? Sure. I think he’s a great coach, a great recruiter, and will be good for the program.
So, daniel, you are speaking in extremes. One (me) can embrace each of the following: (1) be against Gillispie’s firing; (2) be for Calipari’s hiring; and (3) have no problem with Calipari and the “rumors,” or with John Wall and the “citation.”
(3) does not mean I’m on a bandwagon or am willing to overlook misdeeds. The fact of the matter is that I don’t see any misdeeds, or any evidence of such.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Jun 4, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You summed up my feelings
Accept for 3. I thought Billy G deserved another shot, I too was happy with Cal’s hiring, but I was/still am taken back over what I keep stating, that Todd/Barnhardt should have spilled the beans first and that Wall getting cited(notice jeff I didn’t say arrested) in the middle of his recruitment should have raised some serious red flags. Wall by a lot of accounts is a show boat and a big mouth. You already had Bledsoe who was able to stand out of abandoned houses so why the risk? I just think at such at a critical time for UK hoops, the leaders should be extra wary of such circumstances and how it makes the program look, because honestly, we’ve looked pretty bad lately.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Would Think So
I’m sure the UK board knew everything that Mitch and Dr Todd knew.
Thank God and Greyhound he’s gone!
Gillispie, that is.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 4, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's another coach that I'm glad got on that greyhound too
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sutton, I Agree
He and Gillispie are the only two UK coaches since Rupp that didn’t measure up to UK standards.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you ever get tired of being so judgemental?
Someone get the shotgun we have a mascot to hunt down.
DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!
by davw83 on Jun 4, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a reply to Daniel not to ky girl
these things just wont post in the same place.
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by davw83 on Jun 4, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could also be a reply to 40.
If I read “Thank God and Greyhound” one more #$&(#$( time I’m going to puke.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
--O.W.
by blbskue on Jun 4, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second
It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.
by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 4, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Love It
I’m glad to see UK getting back to winning NCAA titles, SEC titles, and SECT championships (so common from 1991 through 2005).
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We haven't won anything
Yet. Not even an NCAA decision clearing our coach.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gonna Happen Soon
Maybe even 2010.
UK was certainly nowhere close in 2006-07-08-09.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NCAA has completed their investigation
Memphis has responded to it. Cal is cleared. You are incorrect about that one.
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by davw83 on Jun 4, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss something?
I didn’t think the NCAA had responded.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just...
want to have a cocktail every time Forty posts the “thank god and greyhound” phrase. You do realize a greyhound is a drink too, right? It’s vodka and grapefruit juice, and it’s a very tasty-and-refreshing-on-a-hot-summer-day drink. : )
by BigSkyCat on Jun 4, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forty may owe
Roy Clark for the use of his song"Thank God and Greygound Your Gone"
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 4, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Not really. I just call em as I see em. Memphis Wildcat was talking about thin lines the other day, and I think it’s a thin line between being judgmental and being blind to the facts.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I mean
For a “UK FAN” you seem to be really down on the Coach, the Administration, and the Fans. Is there any part of the program you are actually happy with?
In a perfect world I think you would be correct in your desires for the program and while Im not advocating a total disregard for a standard of excellence at all so please dont take this as approval of everything the admin or coach does, the world isnt perfect daniel and you cant expect people to be so either. In a time where most fans are very excited about the future despite there being some bumps in the road you are very negative and dont seem to have anything positive to offer.
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by davw83 on Jun 4, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're advocating a total disregard for a standard of...
excellence :)
I was more pumped than anybody when the hire first came down. Right now I’m skeptical, I want to be wrong on this and five years later you can all say I’m just a paranoid jackass(well, I guess most of you didn’t really wait five years to say that, at least the jackass part)
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no im not
im not actually making a comment appoving or not approving of UK’s actions. All im saying is your being paranoid without the jackass part .
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by davw83 on Jun 4, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I was just restating your above comment as a joke, but yes I’m always paranoid.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i didnt get that until after i typed my comment
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by davw83 on Jun 4, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
daniel
I’ve read for days all your fears about our program. I give you credit for being a serious Cat fan. Now here is where we part ways. All the things you mention may happen! But until they do why are you so intent on getting every one else to worry too? I lived through the first scandal in Mr. Rupp’s era. We survived it after a time. We did well after Eddie Sutton, thanks to Rick. At no time during and after these mess ups did we quit on our Cats.
What do you expect the powers that be to do that would satisfy you? The coach is in place and we have to go foeward.
Go Big Blue
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 4, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Forward> darned fingers!
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 4, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oldcat70, that gets a recommend from me...
I could not agree more……and not darned fingers, HaHa…darned keyboard. Thanks for the comment.
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 4, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Barnhardt and Todd
Would issue a statement saying we should have told the board about this before the hire, because they should have, that would be a start.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for the record
Do you or anyone else know “for a fact” just what the board was or was not told?
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 4, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shotgun...pitch forks...and torches
by blue oregon on Jun 5, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Tar and Feathering.
Oldcat-do you know for a fact that they did tell them? Would they say if they did? Furthermore, would Todd and Barnhardt say they didn’t know right now? I think everybody is saying what they’re supposed to say, great p.r. work. Doesn’t mean anybody is guilty, just means people say certain things to the media under situation management. Doesn’t make them true. I’m a Dolphins fan and I remember clearly Saben saying time and time again that he wasn’t leaving and wasn’t even considering it.
by daniel81 on Jun 5, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now everything
you have been saying is based on"assumption" You state they would lie about it so don’t ask. I would put a little more faith in the people running the university than that!
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 5, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TV news
Is totally about sensationalism and reporting something first whether it’s true or not.
When most on here heard reports against Cal, they said the media was jumping the gun. When they heard reports last night that Memphis gave the all clear, they said the media was telling the truth. Can you not take a step back and realize how that looks? It’s only believing what you want to believe, so you can’t be critical of those who are against Cal for doing the same thing.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if they want to keep real viewers,
they will report only truths… IMO Why would they want to be bashed for false accusations, day in and day out? That only brings bad ratings, and bad ratings hurt revenue.
And I do not believe what I want to believe… I try very hard to only base my decisions on facts. Plain old black and white facts, with a believability trail that is a mile long. I am very critical of rumors, and that is why A Sea of Blue gets my vote. If you say it here, it needs to be a fact.
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say that's the case
Most of the time.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When speakin of Calipari.......
Let’s not forget this…………….
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/24/sports/pitino-unfazed-by-past-infractions.html
by slidemank on Jun 3, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a great find slideman
plus it says there were 8 implications by the NCAA of HIM. Wow, that is a lot different than a letter from the NCAA stating Coach Cal was not implicated.
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're having to use Pitino
As our guiding light, lord help us all. Reading that article just makes me want to take a shower, and I usually don’t do that more than once a week.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No guiding light.........
Just saying Pitino ended up being a great coach and really turned our program around, and his past wasn’t without scandal either. But he ran a clean program while at UK (as far as we know) and there were never any indications of a problem for the 9 years he was at the helm.
by slidemank on Jun 3, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe on the court
But he’s still a scum bag and a traitor in my book. Maybe those signs of alleged wrongdoing should have shown the type of class we were dealing with.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well daniel, it does say 1977
is the year of the implications. So how could you have known. It also says one thing was
and handing out coupons to players for free food at McDonald’s.LOL … that is funny and so silly but so wrong. :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember
Those dollar coupon books for Micky D’s. They were awesome.
Pitino=dirty old man in need of a skin treatment
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then take a hike and go cheer for Duke
I hear they dont care when you want to go take a shower
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 3, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Thomas Hill kick you out of the shower again?
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know.....I try not to make this stuff personal
and I understand that with you being in the “entertainment industry” that that kind of thing is pretty prevalent…..and it may be fine with you, but it don’t fly around here….I could care less what you do in your personal life….but dont think that just because you MAY….(and I use MAY because if this is some kind of Freudian slip on your part, I would be willing to let it slide)…..feel like some shower reference is within guidelines, but I do not believe I would do that a lot….if political comments are out-of-bounds, I would say that making that kind of reference would be also….Ill let Tru decide…..
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apology
I definitely don’t take this stuff seriously and I was just funnin with ya. Sorry but that was not mean to be personal. Would it make you feel better if I said Thomas Hill has a big nose?
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GOTCHA!
Remember, we're having fun now!!!
by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 4, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I'll ask
Who is Thomas Hill
He said while not trying to sound stupid by not knowing who in the heck it is…
If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.
by btcoop71 on Jun 4, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's A Dig At Christian Laettner
The other poster is hinting at a certain RUMORED close friendship between the two Duke players.
Never mind that the RUMOR IS FALSE.
by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 4, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
It’s just a dig at thomas hill. Actually it’s not really a dig at anybody, it’s just a pointless joke. Bt, he’s the guy in the picture you see crying like a little baby on the bench for Duke when Laettner hit the shot against us.
by daniel81 on Jun 4, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First comment on the Duke Report story
“A Sea of Blue…lol…should be named A Sea with no Clue.”
When the dookies are talking like this, you know it’s going to be a good season. :)
by WestKYWildcat on Jun 3, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
If they only knew how hard I have been laughing at them, they would shut up and talk about their own team. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 3, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Sea with no Clue
That’s some in depth stuff right there. I bet that took days to come up with. I guess that could also be confused with Coach K’s ability to form a gameplan against a team with players more than six feet tall on it. Bunch of wussies.
by daniel81 on Jun 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dookie is what my golden retreiver leaves behind in our backyard :?
by blue oregon on Jun 3, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Sigh) I have to pick up my dog's dookie (that's her on the right ----->)
It’s the only proper thing to do … and then deposit it with the other trash. <¦:•)
by ukcris on Jun 3, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might have missed this!
Did you see where coach G’s house sold in 6 days. Wonder what it brought?
Happy Days are here again The sky is all ways BLUE again Happy days are here again !
by oldcat70 on Jun 3, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It sold to a doctor
who didnt even know it was G’s house. That guy must be clueless.
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by davw83 on Jun 3, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
I was just getting ready to post something similar to that. I find that odd, also. Must not be a Kentuckian, huh? ; )
Also, oldcat70, I guess the asking price of the house was 1.5 mil. The actual sale price of the home won’t be revealed until after the final closing.
by BigSkyCat on Jun 3, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looking and didn't see Big Sky...sorry :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, it says they didn't know
who the house belonged to. Must have been very busy or from somewhere other than KY, but still hard to believe.
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you were the realtor, would you tell them it used to be G's?
by wklawdog on Jun 3, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if I were the realtor, lol
I would ask if they liked basketball. If the answer were No, I would say nothing…lol
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but of course
the potential buyer(s) asked about the previous occupant. I would before buying any house… :-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only Used On Occasional Evenings ...
… and then just for viewing videos.
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
by Wild Weasel on Jun 3, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or ...
… a Louisville fan. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
by Truzenzuzex on Jun 3, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was asking 1.5 mil
This is from kentucky.com, link sold to a doctor with three children.
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he bought that place for 2.2 mill... That sucks if he only got 1.5 out of it.
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by davw83 on Jun 3, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it says BCG paid 1.4 mil
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno about what he paid...
But its a different real estate market today than it was 2 years ago… it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he lost 700k on it.
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jun 3, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
it wouldn’t surprise me either if Gillispie ended up losing money on that house.
The fact that it sold in 6 days tells me that he was pretty motivated to sell, and with the market as it is today, I have a really hard time believing the purchaser offered full asking price.
Guess we’ll find out in a month or so — I’m pretty sure some UK super-sleuth will find out and post what the final sale price ended up being. : )
by BigSkyCat on Jun 3, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not surprised just saying that sucks.
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by davw83 on Jun 3, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is from Jodie's Official Website,
I did not know it existed at all. I hope it is the real thing. It has a note dated 6/2/2009 from Jodie, link here.
It has a lot of pictures and bios and other articles if you want to check it out.
It says it is the © 2009 The Official Website of Jodie Meeks . You can decide on that .
:-)
Blue, there is no other color to Bleed !!!
by a2d2 on Jun 3, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even Bilas says to chill the @#%& out
In an ESPN Insider article, Bilas says to not be so quick to judge. I don’t have full insider access, but the part that you can read for free says:
I cannot recall when I first heard the phrase “rush to judgment,” but it is now used so often and so forcefully by lawyers and political commentators that it has lost all meaning. And nowhere do we sports fans rush to judgment as often as we do when it comes to the hint of any violation of NCAA rules.
When we hear of allegations of NCAA rules violations, we all too readily assume guilt, blame only the head coach in charge and get ourselves prepared for the penalty phase. Instead of a public hanging, we call for things already hanging publicly to be taken down.
After hearing all the rave reviews and “wait and see” articles from guys we previously chalked up as “haters” (Vitale, Bilas, Katz, etc) I honestly have to look myself in the mirror for the last two years. Were they the ones taking an objective stance on things and I was just another homer upset with the truth? Or are they doing now what I always accused them of before (playing favorites) and I’m just okay with it because Cali is on the receiving end?
Hrmmm…
Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."
by chirop1 on Jun 3, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The truth was bitter then and very few of us were willing to accept it.
"If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up."
by trich on Jun 3, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Blown Forecast
Call for Memphis/Calipari having to vacate appearance in The Final Four appears to be another missed prediction.
"[T]he opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves, in their, own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also in their spheres, would make the Judiciary a despotic branch."
--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Abigail Adams, 11 September 1804
by Wild Weasel on Jun 3, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll just be glad when the conversations are about potential lineups again,
I’m tired of all this talk
by Bluehound on Jun 3, 2009 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
How about Wall at the point … with Meeks at the two and Patterson and Cousins at 3/4 and Orton in the middle … with Bledsoe and Miller first off the bench as the sixth man … and Stevenson giving us 10 to 12 solid minutes (he should be able to excel with less pressure to carry scoring load). I like Hood’s game and Harris/Pilgrim will contribute as well but i’m not sure how many minutes they’ll get – competion will be intense for the other spots.
What say you Blue???
by ukcris on Jun 3, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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