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The Big Blue Daily Mail -- Calipari Taking Flack for "Oversigning"

We've talked about this at some length.  I, and others, have expressed significant discomfort with having more players offered scholarships than scholarships available, and effectively having to persuade some of the excess players to see their way clear to move to another school.

Seth Davis has what I consider to be an important piece today that addresses this situation and and explained a number of the more troubling aspects.  For example, scholarships used to be for four years prior to 1972, but that changed.  Why?  Well:

[NCAA President Miles] Brand also expressed a willingness to reconsider the rule requiring schools to keep scholarship agreements to one year. Scholarship agreements used to be for four years, but that was changed in 1972. (When I asked a veteran basketball coach why that rule was changed, he said, "Because football coaches wanted to run more players off.") "There's something to be said for the argument that we should have longer scholarships," Brand said. "That issue keeps coming up and we keep putting it under review, but maybe it's time to look at it again." [Emphasis mine]

I can't speak to the veracity of the college coach Davis asked the question to, but I can make the point that no matter what the rationale for changing the rule, it is clear that it was not made with the student-athlete's best interests at heart.  That doesn't mean that Calipari's honesty with the players is necessarily bad -- it isn't.  Nobody would argue that it is better for a player to gather splinters on the bench than to play.

Still, there is a perception here that coaches are essentially waiving players that don't measure up.  Calipari rightfully resents that argument:

Not surprisingly, Calipari takes umbrage at the suggestion that he is running off players at Kentucky. "There are guys here who are just not going to be able to play the way we play, and they're better suited to go somewhere else," Calipari said. "I don't want a kid who thinks he can be a professional not playing in February and looking at me like I'm screwing him. If you know kids are not going to play, you tell them."

Star-divide

No matter where you stand on the issue, Calipari is surely right -- there are situations, and UK this year is one of them, where the players who are leaving would have been sitting and not playing, with the arguable exception of Matt Pilgrim.  But even if that is true, that would not be the case if Calipari had not over-promised scholarships.  Yes, that means that we would likely have had to pass on the combination of Bledsoe, Dodson, Cousins and Wall.  But it is hard to argue with Brian Cook's reasoning when he took issue earlier this year with my post on the subject, and frankly got it more right than I did:

He [meaning me] excuses this behavior in two ways: blaming the athletic director for letting it happen and citing the massive contract Calipari signed, which "demands immediate results."

Why? It doesn't, of course. It demands eventual results, or at least it would if anyone at Kentucky gave a tenth of a crap about the players currently on the team.

He's right, you know -- Calipari could have made do for a year with the players we had, and brought in more great players next year when all sorts of scholarships would have opened up.  It wouldn't have been the end of the world for UK basketball -- we have suffered for four years, and I have no doubt that Coach Cal could have substantially improved our fortunes even without the likes of Bledsoe, Dodson and Cousins.  We would have needed either Wall or Bledsoe, but you see my point -- we could have done well even without the shock and awe of the best recruiting class in many years, maybe ever.

Do I mind being taken to task on this issue?  No.  I don't like players being put into this situation any more than Cook does, but as I have said and still maintain, I will not become a scold of our new coach this early on no matter how compelling the argument on this particular point.  Circumstances may not have been chaotic enough for a Michigan fan like Cook to be willing to overlook this unpleasant reality, but I am a fan of Kentucky, and it takes less transitional difficulty for me to excuse unpleasantness than it does from a relatively disinterested third party, at least as a one-time event.  Yes, I know other coaches have done this in the past at UK and elsewhere, but that is nothing more than the Golden Rationalization at work, i.e. it's okay because others are doing it. 

Fortunately, Davis points out in his article that the conference commissioners are taking a stand against this practice, particularly the SEC.  The newly formed ethics group of the NABC is also concerned about the practice.  It isn't okay, at least not by me, and I am glad to see the SEC and the NABC beginning to take notice.  We all know that this effective wavier of players is far more pervasive in football than basketball, but that does not mean that we should ignore it when it happens in either sport.

Finally, Davis takes aim at the National Letter of Intent program:

The NLI explicitly states a coaching change is not a reason for a player to be released from his obligation. Yes, schools often release players anyway when those situations arise, but why should they even have that option in the first place?

That's a good question.  The NLOI program has been rendered moot by the fact that most coaches don't want to be seen as forcing a player to stay where he doesn't want to be.  Why keep up the pretense? Just do away with the practice altogether -- it isn't enforced anyway, except rarely, and it never ends well when it is.

And now, for the news:

 

UK Basketball News

UK Football News

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NCAA Sports News

  • Trouble Still Shadows College Hoops
    "And the thing that really concerns me is that among top 100 programs, I believe if you asked coaches, there’d be a pretty strong consensus around 10 that are not in substantial compliance. And there might be another 15 that people really suspect are not in substantial compliance."

    This quote is disturbing not for it's allegation, but for the fact that it is literally pregnant with specious nonsense. Just because there are programs at the top that may not be in compliance does not impute that activity to every one of them. And asking coaches on the outside looking in is a sure way to guarantee a fait accompli.

  • Was there more trouble at Georgia last year than we knew about?
    Did Mark Richt throw Stafford and Moreno under the bus? Team Speed Kills looks at this burning question, among a few others. Lane Kiffin continues his almost unbroken string of appearances in Sprints.

  • Ole Miss' Terrico White: Just call him stealth
    Terrico White is a terrific player who will just keep getting better, and he accuses Calipari of overlooking the Memphis area when he was there.

Other News of Interest

  • Latest Rondo Rumor: Memphis - CelticsBlog
    Celticsblog does not want to believe Rajon Rondo is on the trading block, and sees this as another potential step back. Danny Ainge is publicly downplaying any rumors of relationship issues between Rondo and the coaching staff. Read all about it at the above link.

  • Heh.
    Good for her. To her opponents -- shut up and play. Get some ear protection or something. A Sea of Blue is a no-whining zone.

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Cal is doing his job

and calls “a spade a spade”.He is not going to pussyfoot around,and tell players that should have not been recruited to UK in the first place.UK will be better.

by -Zoso- on Jun 24, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions  

UK Coaches Have Always Run Players Off

Encourage them to transfer, whatever.

I have no problem with Calipari’s approach.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 24, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Shouldn't it be a two-way street

I mean the school is committing to the athlete – for 1 year …. so if they want the school to commit for two years (or 3 or 4), then shouldn’t the athlete also commit to two years and agree not to leave the program early (ie hold them to their NLOI)?? But, what would be the result? You’d have a player forced to remain with a new coach/system when neither one would benefit (a good example ….said by Gary Franklin, PG, who has decided to leave USC: “Coach O’Neill’s style is more defensive,” Franklin told the paper. “I don’t think he is like [former Arizona coach] Lute Olson or Tim Floyd, letting players run up and down the court. That’s not a style I see myself playing in.”- O’Neill has a system, Franklin wants a different one – neither is happy … long story short drop the NLOI – we aren’t really using it anyway.

by ukcris on Jun 24, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Here we go again with the "business" side of the sport.

I dont feel as though anyone is necessarily wrong about this, I have myself said that Cal was doing the right thing by making the changes based upon the fact that UK fans have no patience when it comes to winning.

Cal is doing the best he can under the expectations which he was hired. Let’s just play ball and maybe we can put all of this crap behind us. And Seth Davis can Scratch’s backside at halftime of the opening game of next year’s NCAA tournament.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Tru quoting Seth Davis?

I’ll have to check with Dante to see which ring that is.

by hoboat33 on Jun 24, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Kind of says it all....
“There wasn’t any secret. All the players knew we were over on scholarships and that people were going to have to leave when [Calipari] came in,” said junior forward A.J. Stewart, who is one of the three players leaving the team. “Those workouts were like a tryout. If you wanted to stay on the team, you’d better play well. If he gave me the option to stay, I would have taken it, because I’m confident I could take somebody’s spot. I didn’t want to go anywhere.

So much for the rationale that the players had a choice of leaving or staying. Makes Cal appear to be (I’ll be nice here)…a little less than honest. Shame on him. And shame on the AD et al to let it happen.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 24, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

No Shame At All

Jurich let Pitino do the same thing in 2001.

No shame then, either.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 24, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wake up....don't you see that what he did and what Cal said are two different things?!?!?!

Again, I’ll be gracious and not call him what he appears to be but I’ll give you a hint….it starts with ‘L’ and it isn’t ‘likeable’.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 24, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope, Same Thing

P ran off Crum’s players and recruits in 2001.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 24, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

ZZZZZzzzzzz.......

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 24, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

While you are sleeping that off Hoze you can explain how you can justify

the difference for me?? I am going to assume Forty can quote stats on this so I will leave that to him, but you have a hate on for this program and its coach no matter what happens. So I will ask you to explain why this is different. And dont give me that hogwash about him saying one thing and doing another…..it doesnt fly. There are too many quotes out there to dispute that claim.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 24, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't tell me what I think. You don't know a thing about me.

If you can’t see it for what it is, there is no point in me taking the time to explain it. It may take some effort and it may be a little painful at times to stand on principle, but you ought to give it a try. It is good for the soul. I

f you took just a portion of the time that you spend analyzing me and invest it to looking around, maybe you can see things for what they are. Give it a shot. I think you are up to it.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 24, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: HZ: Oh, I know plenty about you

But I’m denied to opportunity to illuminuate you to your own problem [s] due to the Community Guidelines established by Tru.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 24, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would not dream of telling you what you think...

however, any person who has read your comments for any length of time, can make educated and accurate assessments on your consistent and predictable U of L red colored positions when comparing RP & U of L program with UK.

PJordon32746 above is spot on concerning your latest partisan attack on Coach Cal and UK

by blue oregon on Jun 25, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have NEVER compared the two programs. That is a tactic that is tried by others (re: Forty's above post)

Partisan? How laughable. If I am partisan on this subject, so is Seth Davis, so is Ken Pomeroy, so is the Lex-Herald opinion page, and so is Tru. Give me a break.

What the quotes from AJ Stewart suggest is that Cal booted him off the team. He wanted to stay. He thought he could compete. What’s bad is that good ole Cal has tried to couch this action as a means of ‘…just being honest with the players and after that they decided whether or not they wanted to stay…’ Just be honest. Makes you wonder if he can’t be truthful with this, where else is he comfortable in hiding the truth, doesn’t it?

Finally, heres a thought…..if you don’t like my position or opinion, counter it. Don’t attack me personally, because if you do, it just shows you don’t have a legitimate defense. That would make me right.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

There Is No Comparison Between Programs

But coaches of both teams have run off players signed by the previous coach in favor of new ones.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 25, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Convenient

It’s very convenient for you though that you take the stand you do with UK issues and when someone (ie Forty in this case) presents you a similar scenario at the school down the road instead of responding to his argument like an adult you just ignore it and continue to rant about whatever suits you.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jun 25, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Try this on for size:

The value of a principle is the number of things it will explain.
Ralph Waldo Emerson

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 24, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is all sideshow hoze can do

is sleep. He will make arguments without anything to back up what he says and leave it all on you to “prove” him wrong.

He probably doesn’t even know what Forty is talking about, that is why he is sleeping. Sideshow hoze will give you the sideshow and that is about it. Relevence to any sort of discussion? Naw. Just sideshow.

Nothing here to see.

GO BIG BLUE!

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on Jun 25, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to harp on an issue...

But I don’t understand the difference. I will not get into the rightness or wrongness of the actions taken, but I don’t see the difference. New coach tells old players to leave as he doesn’t care for them, for whatever reason. Kid thought that he would have a free ride for four years and now doesn’t. Without being a smarta$$ or anything, what is the difference?

by wklawdog on Jun 25, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's the difference??????

I guess I can no longer be gracious if I have to plainly state it to get my point across.

Based on AJ’s comments, Cal lied about his process….period. He tried to come across as the nice guy only explaining where the kids stood with the team. Whether or not they were going to get playing time. He said it was up to them to make the decision. Again, based on Stewart’s quote….this didn’t happen. Cal kicked him out against his personal wishes.

That is the difference.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you were in the room when the conversation took place?

Oh yeah, you weren’t. So you have zero knowledge about what was said.

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 25, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, kind of convenient it all went down that way, huh?

If you can give me one reason why Stewart would lie about this, I’d be glad to consider it.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who said it was a lie?

That is what I’m getting at. Since you and I were not in the room when the conversation took place, there is no basis to claiming that anyone is lying.

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 25, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to point out in Hozeking's defense ...

… that whether Pitino did it or not at UK or at U of L is utterly irrelevant. Utterly.

Two guys doing the wrong thing does not suddenly make it the right thing.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Jun 25, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tru

Forty isnt using Pitino’s actions to justify Calipari’s. I think he attempting to point out to Hoze that he (being Hoze) is the pot calling the kettle black with all of his Cal is evil rants.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jun 25, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fill In Any Number Of Other Names

Big time, top shelf Div I basketball programs run off unwanted players to sign new ones.

If you sign with schools like UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas, UConn (etc) it happens.

You WILL get recruited over, and you MAY get run off.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 25, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Folks...let me try clarifying why I am so amped about this.

Certainly, other coaches have done it. I do remember Pitino doing it with that one guard for example (was it Roderick Rhodes?). I do not recall any situation at UofL that Forty refers to and that he has interestingly left out details…following his modus operandi where if he writes it, it is fact. Regardless, I don’t like it when any coach or any program does it.

What makes this so specially egregious is that based on what Stewart says, Cal is not telling the truth. Cal says or said that he approached each player and was honest in his assessment. It was then up to the player if he stayed or leaved. Stewart said that he wanted to stay with the team…he wanted to play. Now someone here is lying…plain and simple. I think it is fairly obvious who it is. This is why it is worse than other coaches who are at least honest of their ‘process’.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Calipari is not lying.

I think you have two people who have different versions of the same set of facts. Happens all the time.

Regarding Rhodes, the claim that he was run off by Pitino is a myth.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Jun 25, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

No...I hear you.

That is why I purposely stated each time…..‘based on Stewarts quote…’

I do know this. Someone is being untruthful.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you have two people who have different versions of the same set of facts?

Certainly possible. But I think any conversations or understanding would be pretty clear with a decision as important as this….at least from the players perspective.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

SUSPENDED FOR 10 GAMES NEXT SEASON

doesnt prove you want to be there.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jun 25, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

But….why….didn’t….Cal….just….admit….it?

Why can’t he be honest? If he would have just said that AJ has had issues in the classroom and we have decided not to re-up his scholly, that would be one thing. Again, he tried to come across as the good guy just trying to be honest with his players in order for them to make the decision.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just because Stewart WANTED to be there

(BTW, I WANTED TO PLAY FOR UK) it was just not in the cards(heh) doesn’t mean he COULD play in the system. If Calipari’s decision was enough for Stewart, then why cant it be enough for you?….Academic problems,not a good fit for the system, not a top tier player, you name it, there could be any number of reasons he had to go…..why does it matter which one either man chooses to use?
As for being honest, I am STILL WAITING for you to explain to me( and the rest of ASOB) what the difference is in Calipari and Pitino, or any other coach ON THIS ISSUE. All I have heard so far from you is rhetoric and disappointment concerning your feelings for Calipari. Your disconcerting view of Calipari not withstanding, as it is for much of our program, I really have no idea why you choose Calipari as your version of the devil.

Better yet, I will offer you this, you tell all of us what YOU would have done under the circumstances, that would have satisfied the mandate that Cal has for this program (handed down from Todd and Barnhart, and the expectations of the fanbase to boot). Why not just make your own post and detail what you think the proper steps would have been that could bring about the results that Cal has gotten so far ( W-L record not withstanding).

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

What (I) would have done under the circumstances?

Boy, that’s an easy one. If I decided that AJ Stewart didn’t fit in the program whether it was academics, talent, or whatever, I would have said as much. I wouldn’t have lied and said;

‘….well I met with the players (AJ in this case) and was really honest on how much he would play in my phenomenal offense. Based on that discussion, he decided to leave on his own volition’.

See that sets up ole Cal to have it both ways and you are falling for it. He makes it appear that he is a great guy and he still achieves what he wants. Of course, for him to accomplish this, you have to have a very gullible & blind fanbase made up of people like….uhhhhh….well, you.

Of course, in the meantime, Stewart gets screwed. I guess it’s easy to forget that simple fact.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am a lot of things Hoze.....but gullible and blind are not among them

I may CHOOSE to see the best in a situation, ( not a rose colored glasses view, however a glass is half-full view) but under no circumstances would I want a player to be done “dirty”. I will say this though, you want to gripe and complain about how things are, however you offer no alternative to the situation. Words come cheap, and yours seem to be cheaper than most.

You only get that right if you are a fan, and you my friend are no fan.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 25, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's an alternative.

Don’t do it. Simple enough for you?

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

And here is your response

if you dont do it…..you dont keep your job…..and dont tell me that everyone would have been patient and waited for these players to leave. Ask BCG about how patient everyone is around here…….

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 26, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

What a shameful opinion about where the program finds itself.

How sad.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 26, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not shameful, having expectations

due to the rich history we have here is not now and has never been shameful. Not doing what you are hired for is what I would find shameful. Traditions are traditions for a reason. When a program has the history that we do, (both good and bad) then expectations are a part of it. They are what keep you at the top as a program. If we didnt worry about staying at the top as a program, we would not have spent the money to bring this man here. We also would have been willing to flounder along for as long as it took to become a force in college basketball again. That will not happen here.

You can call it sad, you can call it shameful, you can call it wrong if you like, but it all sounds like sour grapes coming from a disgruntled observer to me.

I hate this sport becoming about money. But as someone reminded me the other day, take enjoyment in watching the 5 on 5 action that comes on the court and try to put the rest out of your mind. You may sleep better. A smart man once said the “Good Old Days” were never really that good. Its a nice way of saying that change is inevitable, so roll with it. No moral dilemmas, no rules broken, and no one is dying. Try this though if it helps, if it was 1950, Coach Rupp would have had all the reporters in his hip pocket, and you would have never heard about any of this.

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 26, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Denny Crum Did It In Early 1970's

Rick Pitino did it in early 2000’s.

Was it shameful then???

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 26, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dont think Hoze is going to get the point

and we, as well intentioned as we may be Forty, are not going to get through. Alas, tis more about knowledge than sense

Remember, we're having fun now!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 26, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

So in the scenario if you were coach Stewart doesnt get screwed?

Becuase your so eithical and would have told the truth Stewart didnt get screwed even though he is still gone and its still not his choice?

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jun 25, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I have no doubt he told Stewart the truth.

Cal just doesn’t respect the fans enough or the program enough to be truthful to you.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 25, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cal WAS truthful....

What? Like UK fans are blind to what REALLY went down? He told AJ that he would NOT PLAY next season and would RIDE THE BENCH. Ooooohhhhhhh! Bad boy CAL!!! Shame on you! He told AJ he was a good kid and would benefit from PLAYING for another team, i.e another team that would let him START or at least see SIGNIFICANT MINUTES. Ooooooohhhhhhh! Bad boy CAL!!!!

I wasn’t aware of these things. Thanks sideshow! ;)

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on Jun 26, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

hoze --

so Cal should have come out and said that AG failed out of school? if academics were the reason, Cal should NOT have been truthful…..not saying that was the reason but just saying if it was then Cal did the right thing….

only one rule in my house - uk has to be your favorite college bball team

by memphis wildcat on Jun 27, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right....I forgot.

He’s doing it for the kids.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 27, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

He’s doing for the 12 kids who will play for him next year.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 27, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stewart

if he stayed was suspended for 10 games next year becuase he didnt show up for class. He sure didnt prove by his actions in the academic arena that he wanted to be apart of the team. How can you think you are going to take anyone’s spot by missing a third of the season.

DEEETROIT BASKETBALLL!!!

by davw83 on Jun 25, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Can Hardly Wait

Until the season begins and all the so-inclined columnists, opinionistas and fans can remove their sackcloth and ashes and join the fun. One of my several heroes had it about right. The late William F. Buckley said:

"Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive."

"The prosperity of commerce is now perceived and acknowledged by all enlightened statesmen to be the most useful as well as the most productive source of national wealth, and has accordingly become a primary object of its political cares."

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 12, 27 November 1787

by Wild Weasel on Jun 24, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for all your comments.

I really have nothing further to add, myself. It is what it is. I don’t like it, and I think it is not a good thing, and I never want to see it happen again.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Jun 25, 2009 7:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Did You Complain When Rupp And Hall Did It?

I didn’t. Very few did.

It comes with the territory. Big time schools run off players to sign new ones they think are better.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 25, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know they did at the time.

There was no Internet back then, and I lived a long way from Lexington.

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Jun 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, They Did

And so does every other big time program.

It comes with the territory when players sign with Kentucky and programs of similar stature.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 26, 2009 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was disturbed

I was disturbed when Calipari was hired that he would force players out and bring in his own. I have since come to the realization that players scholarships are year to year. Also, what if Billy G were capable of bring in these recruits, wouldnt he have done the same thing to the previously scholarshipped players??

by UKTimmy on Jun 25, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

AJ

Has everyone forgotten after his freshman season he was kicked out of Wildcat Lodge for things we never knew about? And then this past season with all the whatever he was going to be suspended for 10 games…that does sound like someone who truly wanted to be a part of the team. This is just my opinion. I think Cal did the right thing re AJ.

by kykat51 on Jun 25, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

we have to forgive him that one ....players and coach did

it shouldnt have had any bearing on this….and i dont think it did either

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by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 25, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

personal issues aside

the ability to PLAY in the system should DICTATE whether a player returns in this case. if the team got together and told a new coach that a certain player caused havoc for them and they would like to see him gone then I could excuse personal issues as a reason to remove him. if they are truly unified in outing another teammate then that has to be taken into consideration.

i think things would be different if Cal recruited some kid and then the following season recruited OVER HIM, effectively pushing him out. That WOULD BE wrong. He RECRUITED A KID he STICKS WITH THAT KID for better or worse, excepting for the obvious reasons, violatons, etc.

many of these kids are just that, spoiled KIDS. they haven’t had many folks tell them NO! especially once they found out that they had something that others want or want to be a part of. adjusting to life away from you usual surroundings can be tough (as a military brat I can attest to this), especially when you have left behind the “friends” who helped make up your mind on a daily basis.

I agree with you KYKAT that his actions don’t justify him wanting to be a part of the team. The TEAM stays clean and HELPS EACH OTHER. It’s US AGAINST THEM! Them being all the distractions that can come from being on an ELITE TEAM of “winners.”

Either way he is gone and all we have left is the sound of the peanut gallery screaming for attention! telling UK fans how deplorable they are AGAIN! now they have another eye-talian coach who will use his kick ass mojo to convince all the best kids that UK is the WAY to go if you want to don’t want to be just another Joe. So go tell your friends that UK is no longer in slo-mo and commiting crimes is not a sign of the times in Lexington.

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not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on Jun 26, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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