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Harrison Barnes does not have nice things to say about us...


The number one player in the country expresses some very real concerns about the state of the Kentucky program in this interview.

How has the departure of John Calipari from Memphis to Kentucky impacted you?

It hasn’t really. He’s a good coach. I don’t know if I like the way they’re doing things right there now though. Seems like he left Memphis kind of in a bad situation and then guys at Kentucky are getting their scholarships taken back. I don’t know yet. It’s a competitive place though, you know college basketball, and it’s only getting more and more competitive.

 

This is the first that I've seen comments like this out there from our current targets.  Its a real shame, because if there's one player that I want in a UK uniform... its Harrison Barnes.  He's articulate, skilled, and will make a great ambassador for a program one day.

I fully support the difficult decisions made by our coach (with the possible exception of the Kevin Galloway situation), but I hope this is a temporary phase we are going through. I would hate for this to be something that becomes a real concern to recruits of the future.

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I think a recruit having those types of thoughts can be overcome by Cal. Or it least they should be.

by Ken Howlett on Jun 17, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

HB

will we need another forward next year???

"Get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please."...Mark Twain.

by KYCatwoman on Jun 17, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions  

He's the number one player in the country...

Forward or not… you take him.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 18, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He Is Telling His AAU Teammates (Pulley In Minnesota) That He Wants To Stay Close To Home

The local schools may benefit from that wish. His Mom really likes the coach in Minnesota.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 17, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh.

That’s a careful comment. :-)

A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Glenn Logan on Jun 17, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know...

it’s OK to say the name Tubby Smith. I can say that name myself more so than the name of the guy who coached here the previous 2 seasons.

by maysvilleblue on Jun 17, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It Was A Successful Recruiting Technique For Him

Tywanna Patterson really liked him. It’s a major reason why Patterson was ready to sign with UK in March 2007.

Sylvia Crawford also liked him. Again, it’s a primary reason that Joe Crawford wound up a Wildcat.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 17, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tubby

Tubby is one hell of a coach and even better people,wish him the best unless they play us

by onemaco on Jun 17, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tubby

Tubby has been recruiting this guy for years. it wouldnt surprise me one bit if he ended up at minnesota.

by MinnesotaCatFan on Jun 18, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Barnes'

comments reflect counter sales-pitch given to recruits against Calipari. There are a lot of assumptions in that statement and it’s too general and indefensible to be a real opinion. Cal is doing what he needs to do, he needs to very quickly establish the type of player that needs to be at UK and cover that team in glory. That’s gonna make the top recruits come to us, this season is messy, I don’t see it happening that much, but we should expect some attrition each year.

by Byron on Jun 17, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought the same thing....

Sounds like other coaches are jumping all over the opportunity to use bad publicity against Cal. I’m not too worried about it. Thats standard operating procedure for coaches in recruiting battles.

by DeadHeadCat on Jun 17, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure ...

… that’s right. Hopefully, that talking point will go away in a year or so.

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by Glenn Logan on Jun 18, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I Agree Byron - sounds like a young man with lots of folks telling him what they want him to hear

Forty may correct me, but I don’t think many players at Memphis had their scholarships pulled while CAL was there … I think he can show HB cause for any player whose scholarship wasn’t renewed here … I don’t see this as a trend either/

by ukcris on Jun 17, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

There's a line in MacBeth that goes like this:

“If it were done, when ‘tis done, then t’were well it were done quickly.”

I agree with this sentiment when it comes to a coach getting “his” style of players in his stable. If Coach Calipari had stretched out the winnowing of “not-DDMO style” players, he might have had as little succes as Coach Gillispie had in his two years. We’ve alaready seen that two sub-par years meets the threshold for replacement, so I can’t argue with his moves. HB may come to agree, or he may not. Regardless, there’s not room for every Top Ten recruit on a single school’s roster.

Let’s not get too hung up on getting every recruit we go after. It’s still gonna take some coaching and chemistry to produce results, whether you’re at UK, KU, or anywhere else.

No moral victories--it's all about Ws and Ls!!!

by oldcat'69 on Jun 17, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

No One Should Be Surprised

Anyone who’s ever followed the recruiting process in any detail should not be even mildly dismayed by Barnes’ response and even less so by the tactics, even strategy, of opposing programs. It is, has been, and will continue to be, the effort of competing programs to portray their organization in the best possible light and to do the opposite to foes. Barnes’ comments obviously reflect information given him, much the same as Will Barton’s comments after he committed to Memphis. Neither should UK, Calipari or we fans expect to escape the excessive negative publicity associated with Rose, Dozier, scholarships, etc. The best for which to aspire is a net PR positive, and to this point IMO it is hugely so, but the slings and arrows will continue to be launched toward Lexington. Forewarned is forearmed.

"The prosperity of commerce is now perceived and acknowledged by all enlightened statesmen to be the most useful as well as the most productive source of national wealth, and has accordingly become a primary object of its political cares."

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 12, 27 November 1787

by Wild Weasel on Jun 17, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

The best recruiting tool

Is winning … it’s what we do at Kentucky …. My hope is that after this season gets underway and these recruits see what CAL and the UK fan base have to offer that these type of comments will get less publicity … I don’t know too much Macbeth or Shakespeare …. what I do know is that you can’t make Chicken Salad from Chicken Poop …. For the DDMO to work we need DDMO type players …. simple as that …

by ukcris on Jun 17, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I personally

don’t believe anybody should worry that the loss of the scholarships will continue, during first year coaching tenures, changes are inevitable, and after the first year, i believe everything should be fine, no more loss of scholarships or anything of the sort. Coaches have to shake up the teams a little bit when they arrive.

by harold3420 on Jun 17, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions  

This is off the subject

I’ve been thinking, and I have been as hard on Porter as almost anyone, but He would be a great asset to the team this year. When he was having all his turnover woes it was usualy in the first 5 minutes of the game. You take a team that’s played hard, had to double team people, and ran their buts off for 25 + minutes, Porter is going to be alot more of a threat without the pressure, and the atleticism isn’t going to play as much of a factor. He would probably be the best shooter on the team. He has experience that is key in winning a title; he would be playing SG which is his natural position. He would be a valuable tool to help pratice, and if nothing else to come fresh off the bench and play pressure defense and wear the other team out a little for 5 minutes. The defense has to concentrate on him because he can shoot. The positives outweigh the negatives in this situation, and the chance to win a title would be something he wouldn’t turn down!

by danial on Jun 17, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Dodson

He’ll be the best outside shooter on the team.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 17, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would Porter even want to come back

after all the shit UK fans poured over him during the past 2 seasons?

by mrmondaynite on Jun 18, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one is even talking about

Patterson, or even Perry, both of them have a good jumper, if Bledsoe and Wall penetrate to kick it out to those guys…

by Byron on Jun 17, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Who says it

has to be from the three-point line? Hell even Jorts has a jump shot.

by Byron on Jun 17, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm optimistic at this point

I think we are going to see some things we haven’t seen in quite a while. Coach Cal seems to have a way of building confidence in players. It’s his style. He focuses on the positive. That will carry over into players outside shots. Harrellson …the zone buster (maybe…maybe not). There are a lot of question marks, but I’m not going to say someone is not any outside shooter at this point in time. The players have a clean slate and a chance to prove themselves in a new system.

by cthom on Jun 18, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boom

See? I knew I was right. Just because Jodie could hit the three consistently, doesn’t mean a bunch of players can’t.

http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/crawford/2009/06/who-will-shoot-3-at-uk-everybody.html

I should start writing columns.

by Byron on Jun 18, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a big deal

Like was stated above, he is just repeating what rival coaches are telling him.

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 18, 2009 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

A successful recruiting technique?

Maybe he believes it and says it because it is true. I happen to give the kid credit for seeing the facts for what they are….all by his lonesome.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 18, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

Because all coaches state nothing but "facts"

How is the weather in fairy tale land today?

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 18, 2009 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

He is a smart kid.

What makes you think that he forms his opinion all on what a coach may or may not tell him? I would guess he can read, for example. I haven’t had a coach talk to me in years and I can happen to see facts all the time. Like this one.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 18, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was not a put down of the kid

As you like to say, you missed the point.

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

by btcoop71 on Jun 18, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Recruiting tool or not

This comment looks bad. I had concern regarding the brothers that went to Memphis and were quoted as saying that Memphis told them the situation there was “more of a John Calipari thing” – especially since the head coach there happens to be Calipari’s former assistant coach.

It is not worth an intelligent man’s time to be in the majority. By definition, there are already enough people to do that.

by kentuckygirl0724 on Jun 18, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting...

that you (chirop) mention Galloway in your post. KSR had this comment concerning Barnes’ answer:

If you wonder what this about, Kevin Galloway was Clyde’s communicator to Barnes when UK was recruiting him. His departure may have had an effect on Barnes’s UK view…

by atom on Jun 18, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting.

Considering Barnes’ legit desire for strong academics, I have always kind of expected that he’ll end up at Duke.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 18, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But Duke >>>>>>> Stanford in basketball.

I think when all is factored in, it will come down to somewhere closer to home or Duke.

Of course its difficult, its a shortcut... if it was easy it'd just be "the way."

by chirop1 on Jun 18, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

one thing about being a high school teenager, there is no consequence for shooting off you mouth-hopefully they learn a lesson in tact when going to college

by catgut on Jun 18, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I agaree with you, 6 in 1 year is more than normal; however, changing from what 98% of college coaches use as an offensive means of coaching basketball to the DDMO is ALSO more than normal, when there is a coaching change.

There are just a select few kids that have the agility to play in the DDMO. Many of the kids at UK when Cal arrived were not of that vain.

There are a couple things many of us are missing here.

NO BASKETBALL PLAYER AT ANY DIVISION-1 SCHOOL HAS EVER RECEIVED A FOUR-YEAR SCHOLARSHIP. Not at Kentucky, Puke, UNC, Louisville, Indiana…you name it. IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY. (Our best friends son just completed his fourth year at Huntington University, which is a NAIA school, and the NAIA schools do not give four-year scholarships!)

If a player plays ball for ANY school for four years, IT IS ONLY BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED FOUR (4) ONE (1) YEAR SCHOLARSHIPS. Now, take P Pat for example. If he wanted to play four years, he would be welcomed by JC to do that, and to many it would look as though he had received a four-year scholarship….but he didn’t. He too is getting his third one year deal.

So, the bottom line is this: NOTHING WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM ANY OF THESE PLAYERS. Rather, the ONE YEAR scholarship was NOT RENEWED for another one year period of time.

It is a VERY important difference. One that makes all the difference in the world.

The second thing that I do not understand is why you all want to punish the player, by MAKING him stay at Kentucky, AND SIT AT THE END OF THE BENCH FOR THE NEXT ONE, TWO, OR THREE YEARS JUST SO WE CAN PROUDLY SAY WE DID NOT GIVE HIM THE SHAFT.

Well, excuse me, but THAT is giving him the shaft. At least we have a coach that is honest and man enough to sit down with these kids, and explain where they are and what they can expect, playing-time wise, and helping them realize they can go some place else and ACTUALLY play on the floor during a game, NOT JUST FOR WARMUPS.

As Coach gets the players HE needs for HIS system, I am confident we will not see the mass exodus we are having this year. Once he has a player that can play his system, why would he send him down the road? Of course there could be non-basketball related issues that could cause that, like grades.

Some of you even think that kids go to a school because of the school, not the coach. I will grant you that occasionally that can happen with an instate school like UK for Kentucky kids, but it is a rarity otherwise. THEY COME TO PLAY FOR A CERTAIN COACH?

Don’t think so? Then answer me this question: Is it the Dean of Students that does the recruiting of these kids? Or the coaches?

I rest my case.

GO BIG BLUE!

by TheColoradoWildcat on Jun 19, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah, The Rereshing Wind Of Reality!

"The prosperity of commerce is now perceived and acknowledged by all enlightened statesmen to be the most useful as well as the most productive source of national wealth, and has accordingly become a primary object of its political cares."

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 12, 27 November 1787

by Wild Weasel on Jun 19, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

My neighbor takes liberties with women other than his wife and beats his dog every once in awhile. It may be ‘legal’ but it ain’t right.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 19, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

what is "right" is being honest

why make a kid ride the pine when he can PLAY somewhere else? yeah, basketballers want to go to school to ride the pine on the HOPE that they may jump someone with better talent.

Yeah, a coach wants to keep kids he can’t use on his team when there are kids available who can play his system…. no, doesn’t seem “right”.

sorry bout your neighbor. maybe you should philosophize with him about the greatness of UL sports and maybe he’ll reconsider his life choices, go to church, invite you over for a lil shrimp on the barby…..maybe he’ll have liberties with his dog and beat his Stella instead. :(

that ain’t right.

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on Jun 20, 2009 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, sure.

Good ole Cal did it for the kids. Booting them off the team was good for them. What a guy.

'..when they bring a knife, you bring a gun...that's the Chicago way..'

by HozeKing on Jun 21, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

you speak of what you don't know

talk to any stella’s lately?

I want to die while asleep like my grandfather,
not screaming in terror like the passengers in his car.

by bluecrip on Jun 22, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Barnes Responds To Comment

KSR reports these Barnes comments:

I asked Barnes specifically about his comment from BoxofMess.com, which at first he didn’t seem to completely recall, but eventually he assured me that whatever was said wasn’t meant to be knock on Kentucky or Coach Calipari, who is still involved in his recruitment. He went on to deny even making the comment about the scholarships being taken away from players and said that, if anything, he might have said the part about Calipari leaving Memphis, but only in the context of whether or not he left Memphis and continued to recruit him at Kentucky. All in all, if the comment was said, it was probably just another classic case of kids talking and wasn’t meant to be as "earth shattering" as it was taken to be. Barnes was pretty adamant about denying the comment though, especially the part about the scholarships being taken away, so I’ll just allow you to make up your own mind on what you wish to believe. In terms of rumors that Kansas and Duke are leaders, he said "that might be a bit premature at this point," mainly because he hasn’t had the opportunity to see other schools, giving North Carolina and Kentucky as examples of campuses that he plans on getting a better look at.

"The prosperity of commerce is now perceived and acknowledged by all enlightened statesmen to be the most useful as well as the most productive source of national wealth, and has accordingly become a primary object of its political cares."

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 12, 27 November 1787

by Wild Weasel on Jun 20, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Close To Home

Barnes has told AAU teammates he wants to stay close to his Ames IA home.

by FortyYearCatFan on Jun 21, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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